Re: [h-cost] Re: the 20th century
I have a wonderful pair put up as MJs in paisley. They have tiny heels. I admit that it takes a bit of getting used to in the wearing and walking. The long toe is apt to trip one up if one doesn't watch it! We are so used to scuffing and clumping around in tennies and clogs that we forget the mind set needed to walk gracefully in proper dress shoes. I remember in the mid '50s when I got my first pair of pointy stilletos how different it was to walk in my usual rushing manner in them. Kathleen - Original Message - From: Audrey Bergeron-Morin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: the 20th century - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: the 20th century At 15:40 23/09/2005, you wrote: From: Cynthia J Ley [EMAIL PROTECTED] winkle pickers. ??? A particular long toed style of mens shoe popular in the 50s. Marc And women's. They are currently to be seen in shoe shops in Europe as a new fashion. Suzi They've been there for a while. Actually, I started seeing them about 3 years ago here in Montreal. Always thought they looked ugly - make the feet look so weird, and the poor girl always looks like she's going to trip on the tips and fall flat on her face. There seems to be a little less of them around this season (thank God!). ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: the 20th century
From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry Marc, they may have originally been a man's style, but I was wearing them in the '50's, and they were called winkle pickers then. I am old enough to have been wearing so called fashion in the 50's. I didn't wear them for long, or often, as they hurt my feet!! (Incidentally, at about that age, I was given a pair of my Grandma's shoes, possibly from the First World War, which had long points - and I couldn't wear them either... Why sorry? It's nothing but a different interpretation of the evidence :) Nothing to be sorry about. And just because a fashion item that was initially used by one gender winds up being used for the other (or even the *name* for a fashion item , etc) that later use has no bearing on it's origins. I will say that fashion items do seem to flow more from being used by men to being used by both genders, than they do the other way. I would tend to speculate that traditionally men are more reluctant to risk looking feminine than women are to risk looking masculine. There are of course notable exceptions to this, but even those seem less likely to make it into widespread culture. As winklepickers in the 50s were, on men, a part of a certain macho image, so it just seems unlikely to me that it was something they got from women's fashion and adapted. Actually, I'm thinking the Americans and British picked it up from the Italians, but my memory may be playing tricks on me here. Marc ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: the 20th century
- Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: the 20th century At 15:40 23/09/2005, you wrote: From: Cynthia J Ley [EMAIL PROTECTED] winkle pickers. ??? A particular long toed style of mens shoe popular in the 50s. Marc And women's. They are currently to be seen in shoe shops in Europe as a new fashion. Suzi They've been there for a while. Actually, I started seeing them about 3 years ago here in Montreal. Always thought they looked ugly - make the feet look so weird, and the poor girl always looks like she's going to trip on the tips and fall flat on her face. There seems to be a little less of them around this season (thank God!). ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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From: Cynthia J Ley [EMAIL PROTECTED] winkle pickers. ??? A particular long toed style of mens shoe popular in the 50s. Marc ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: the 20th century
At 15:40 23/09/2005, you wrote: From: Cynthia J Ley [EMAIL PROTECTED] winkle pickers. ??? A particular long toed style of mens shoe popular in the 50s. Marc And women's. They are currently to be seen in shoe shops in Europe as a new fashion. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: the 20th century
winkle pickers.
A particular long toed style of mens shoe popular in the 50s.
Marc
And women's. They are currently to be seen in shoe shops in Europe as a
new fashion.
Suzi
Hmmm, my daughters have been wearing them here in Pennsylvania for almost
two years now. Nasty looking things.
I got a pair, at a thrift store, for use as Wicked Witch shoes for like
Halloween. For that they're perfect.
CarolynKayta Barrows
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From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] winkle pickers. ??? A particular long toed style of mens shoe popular in the 50s. And women's. They are currently to be seen in shoe shops in Europe as a new fashion. I could be mistaken, what with it being a fashion thing, but I -believe- the original style was a man's shoe. The term has just carried over with the more recent conckroach stompers. Marc ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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At 20:32 23/09/2005, you wrote: From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] winkle pickers. ??? A particular long toed style of mens shoe popular in the 50s. And women's. They are currently to be seen in shoe shops in Europe as a new fashion. I could be mistaken, what with it being a fashion thing, but I -believe- the original style was a man's shoe. The term has just carried over with the more recent conckroach stompers. Marc Sorry Marc, they may have originally been a man's style, but I was wearing them in the '50's, and they were called winkle pickers then. I am old enough to have been wearing so called fashion in the 50's. I didn't wear them for long, or often, as they hurt my feet!! (Incidentally, at about that age, I was given a pair of my Grandma's shoes, possibly from the First World War, which had long points - and I couldn't wear them either. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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T-shirts and jeans. After centuries of even peasant and workman's wear being somewhat formal to our taste (think of barbers, printers, and butchers in the late 1800s and early 1900s with white shirts, jackets, and ties), these garments became nearly universal in the west, with all sorts of fancy versions (designer jeans, silk t-shirts with women's suits, etc.). And sweaters (jumpers, for our European friends), which seem to have been sort of regional folk garments in the past. Gail Finke ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
