Re: DNS Resolver Issues
> > A reload of the HAProxy instance also forces the instances to query all > records from the resolver. > > Hi Bruno, Actually, this is true only when you don't use the 'resolvers' section or for the parameters who doesn't benefit from the resolvers section, here the 'addr' parameter. Baptiste
Re: DNS Resolver Issues
Hi all, Thanks @daniel for you very detailed report and @Piba for your help. As Piba pointed out, the issue is related to the 'addr' parameter. Currently, the only component in HAProxy which can benefit from dynamic resolution at run time is the 'server', which means any other object using a DNS hostname which does not resolve at start up may trigger an error, like you discovered with 'addr'. @Piba, feel free to fill up a feature request on github and Cc me there, so we can discuss this point. Baptiste On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 2:53 PM PiBa-NL wrote: > Hi Daniel, Baptiste, > > @Daniel, can you remove the 'addr loadbalancer-internal.xxx.yyy' from > the server check? It seems to me that that name is not being resolved by > the 'resolvers'. And even if it would it would be kinda redundant as it > is in the example as it is the same as the servername.?. Not sure how > far below scenarios are all explained by this though.. > > @Baptiste, is it intentional that a wrong 'addr' dns name makes haproxy > fail to start despite having the supposedly never failing > 'default-server init-addr last,libc,none' ? Is it possibly a good > feature request to support re-resolving a dns name for the addr setting > as well ? > > Regards, > PiBa-NL (Pieter) > > Op 21-3-2019 om 20:37 schreef Daniel Schneller: > > Hi! > > > > Thanks for the response. I had looked at the "hold" directives, but > since they all seem to have reasonable defaults, I did not touch them. > > I specified 10s explictly, but it did not make a difference. > > > > I did some more tests, however, and it seems to have more to do with the > number of responses for the initial(?) DNS queries. > > Hopefully these three tables make sense and don't get mangled in the > mail. The "templated" > > proxy is defined via "server-template" with 3 "slots". The "regular" one > just as "server". > > > > > > Test 1: Start out with both "valid" and "broken" DNS entries. Then > comment out/add back > > one at a time as described in (1)-(5). > > Each time after changing /etc/hosts, restart dnsmasq and check haproxy > via hatop. > > Haproxy started fresh once dnsmasq was set up to (1). > > > > | state state > > /etc/hosts | regular templated > > |- > > (1) BRK| UP/L7OK DOWN/L4TOUT > > VALID | MAINT/resolution > > | UP/L7OK > > | > > > > (2) BRK| DOWN/L4TOUT DOWN/L4TOUT > > #VALID | MAINT/resolution > > | MAINT/resolution > > | > > (3) #BRK | UP/L7OK UP/L7OK > > VALID | MAINT/resolution > > | MAINT/resolution > > | > > (4) BRK| UP/L7OK UP/L7OK > > VALID | DOWN/L4TOUT > > | MAINT/resolution > > | > > (5) BRK| DOWN/L4TOUT DOWN/L4TOUT > > #VALID | MAINT/resolution > > | MAINT/resolution > > > > This all looks normal and as expected. As soon as the "VALID" DNS entry > is present, the > > UP state follows within a few seconds. > > > > > > > > Test 2: Start out "valid only" (1) and proceed as described in (2)-(5), > again restarting > > dnsmasq each time, and haproxy reloaded after dnsmasq was set up to (1). > > > > | state state > > /etc/hosts | regular templated > > | > > (1) #BRK | UP/L7OK MAINT/resolution > > VALID | MAINT/resolution > > | UP/L7OK > > | > > (2) BRK| UP/L7OK DOWN/L4TOUT > > VALID | MAINT/resolution > > | UP/L7OK > > | > > (3) #BRK | UP/L7OK MAINT/resolution > > VALID | MAINT/resolution > > | UP/L7OK > > | > > (4) BRK| UP/L7OK DOWN/L4TOUT > > VALID | MAINT/resolution > > | UP/L7OK > > | > > (5) BRK| DOWN/L4TOUT DO
Re: DNS Resolver Issues
Hello! I am currently on vacation for two weeks, but I'll see to it when I get back. There is no particular reason for the specific check address here, as you correctly figured. It is just an artefact of the template used to create the configuration. I can remove that, but there might be cases were it matters (though I don't think we have any ATM AFAIR). Would not have guessed there would be different resolution paths; if this is intentional, a note in the documentation would be helpful. I can provide that when I am back and when there is clarity on why it would be like this. Thank you very much for your help! Cheers, Daniel > On 23. Mar 2019, at 14:53, PiBa-NL wrote: > > Hi Daniel, Baptiste, > > @Daniel, can you remove the 'addr loadbalancer-internal.xxx.yyy' from the > server check? It seems to me that that name is not being resolved by the > 'resolvers'. And even if it would it would be kinda redundant as it is in the > example as it is the same as the servername.?. Not sure how far below > scenarios are all explained by this though.. > > @Baptiste, is it intentional that a wrong 'addr' dns name makes haproxy fail > to start despite having the supposedly never failing 'default-server > init-addr last,libc,none' ? Is it possibly a good feature request to support > re-resolving a dns name for the addr setting as well ? > > Regards, > PiBa-NL (Pieter) > > Op 21-3-2019 om 20:37 schreef Daniel Schneller: >> Hi! >> >> Thanks for the response. I had looked at the "hold" directives, but since >> they all seem to have reasonable defaults, I did not touch them. >> I specified 10s explictly, but it did not make a difference. >> >> I did some more tests, however, and it seems to have more to do with the >> number of responses for the initial(?) DNS queries. >> Hopefully these three tables make sense and don't get mangled in the mail. >> The "templated" >> proxy is defined via "server-template" with 3 "slots". The "regular" one >> just as "server". >> >> >> Test 1: Start out with both "valid" and "broken" DNS entries. Then comment >> out/add back >> one at a time as described in (1)-(5). >> Each time after changing /etc/hosts, restart dnsmasq and check haproxy via >> hatop. >> Haproxy started fresh once dnsmasq was set up to (1). >> >>| state state >> /etc/hosts | regular templated >>|- >> (1) BRK| UP/L7OK DOWN/L4TOUT >> VALID | MAINT/resolution >>| UP/L7OK >>| >> >> (2) BRK| DOWN/L4TOUT DOWN/L4TOUT >> #VALID | MAINT/resolution >>| MAINT/resolution >>| >> (3) #BRK | UP/L7OK UP/L7OK >> VALID | MAINT/resolution >>| MAINT/resolution >>| >> (4) BRK| UP/L7OK UP/L7OK >> VALID | DOWN/L4TOUT >>| MAINT/resolution >>| >> (5) BRK| DOWN/L4TOUT DOWN/L4TOUT >> #VALID | MAINT/resolution >>| MAINT/resolution >> This all looks normal and as expected. As soon as the >> "VALID" DNS entry is present, the >> UP state follows within a few seconds. >> >> >> Test 2: Start out "valid only" (1) and proceed as described in (2)-(5), >> again restarting >> dnsmasq each time, and haproxy reloaded after dnsmasq was set up to (1). >> >>| state state >> /etc/hosts | regular templated >>| >> (1) #BRK | UP/L7OK MAINT/resolution >> VALID | MAINT/resolution >>| UP/L7OK >>| >> (2) BRK| UP/L7OK DOWN/L4TOUT >> VALID | MAINT/resolution >>| UP/L7OK >>| >> (3) #BRK | UP/L7OK MAINT/resolution >> VALID | MAINT/resolution >>| UP/L7OK >>| >> (4) BRK| UP/L7OK DOWN/L4TOUT >> VALID | MAINT/resolution >>| UP/L7OK >
Re: DNS Resolver Issues
Hi Daniel, Baptiste, @Daniel, can you remove the 'addr loadbalancer-internal.xxx.yyy' from the server check? It seems to me that that name is not being resolved by the 'resolvers'. And even if it would it would be kinda redundant as it is in the example as it is the same as the servername.?. Not sure how far below scenarios are all explained by this though.. @Baptiste, is it intentional that a wrong 'addr' dns name makes haproxy fail to start despite having the supposedly never failing 'default-server init-addr last,libc,none' ? Is it possibly a good feature request to support re-resolving a dns name for the addr setting as well ? Regards, PiBa-NL (Pieter) Op 21-3-2019 om 20:37 schreef Daniel Schneller: Hi! Thanks for the response. I had looked at the "hold" directives, but since they all seem to have reasonable defaults, I did not touch them. I specified 10s explictly, but it did not make a difference. I did some more tests, however, and it seems to have more to do with the number of responses for the initial(?) DNS queries. Hopefully these three tables make sense and don't get mangled in the mail. The "templated" proxy is defined via "server-template" with 3 "slots". The "regular" one just as "server". Test 1: Start out with both "valid" and "broken" DNS entries. Then comment out/add back one at a time as described in (1)-(5). Each time after changing /etc/hosts, restart dnsmasq and check haproxy via hatop. Haproxy started fresh once dnsmasq was set up to (1). | state state /etc/hosts | regular templated |- (1) BRK| UP/L7OK DOWN/L4TOUT VALID | MAINT/resolution | UP/L7OK | (2) BRK| DOWN/L4TOUT DOWN/L4TOUT #VALID | MAINT/resolution | MAINT/resolution | (3) #BRK | UP/L7OK UP/L7OK VALID | MAINT/resolution | MAINT/resolution | (4) BRK| UP/L7OK UP/L7OK VALID | DOWN/L4TOUT | MAINT/resolution | (5) BRK| DOWN/L4TOUT DOWN/L4TOUT #VALID | MAINT/resolution | MAINT/resolution This all looks normal and as expected. As soon as the "VALID" DNS entry is present, the UP state follows within a few seconds. Test 2: Start out "valid only" (1) and proceed as described in (2)-(5), again restarting dnsmasq each time, and haproxy reloaded after dnsmasq was set up to (1). | state state /etc/hosts | regular templated | (1) #BRK | UP/L7OK MAINT/resolution VALID | MAINT/resolution | UP/L7OK | (2) BRK| UP/L7OK DOWN/L4TOUT VALID | MAINT/resolution | UP/L7OK | (3) #BRK | UP/L7OK MAINT/resolution VALID | MAINT/resolution | UP/L7OK | (4) BRK| UP/L7OK DOWN/L4TOUT VALID | MAINT/resolution | UP/L7OK | (5) BRK| DOWN/L4TOUT DOWN/L4TOUT #VALID | MAINT/resolution | MAINT/resolution Everything good here, too. Adding the broken DNS entry does not bring the proxies down until only the broken one is left. Test 3: Start out "broken only" (1). Again, same as before, haproxy restarted once dnsmasq was initialized to (1). | state state /etc/hosts | regular templated | (1) BRK| DOWN/L4TOUT DOWN/L4TOUT #VALID | MAINT/resolution | MAINT/resolution |--
Re: DNS Resolver Issues
Hi! Thanks for the response. I had looked at the "hold" directives, but since they all seem to have reasonable defaults, I did not touch them. I specified 10s explictly, but it did not make a difference. I did some more tests, however, and it seems to have more to do with the number of responses for the initial(?) DNS queries. Hopefully these three tables make sense and don't get mangled in the mail. The "templated" proxy is defined via "server-template" with 3 "slots". The "regular" one just as "server". Test 1: Start out with both "valid" and "broken" DNS entries. Then comment out/add back one at a time as described in (1)-(5). Each time after changing /etc/hosts, restart dnsmasq and check haproxy via hatop. Haproxy started fresh once dnsmasq was set up to (1). | state state /etc/hosts | regular templated |- (1) BRK| UP/L7OK DOWN/L4TOUT VALID | MAINT/resolution | UP/L7OK | (2) BRK| DOWN/L4TOUT DOWN/L4TOUT #VALID | MAINT/resolution | MAINT/resolution | (3) #BRK | UP/L7OK UP/L7OK VALID | MAINT/resolution | MAINT/resolution | (4) BRK| UP/L7OK UP/L7OK VALID | DOWN/L4TOUT | MAINT/resolution | (5) BRK| DOWN/L4TOUT DOWN/L4TOUT #VALID | MAINT/resolution | MAINT/resolution This all looks normal and as expected. As soon as the "VALID" DNS entry is present, the UP state follows within a few seconds. Test 2: Start out "valid only" (1) and proceed as described in (2)-(5), again restarting dnsmasq each time, and haproxy reloaded after dnsmasq was set up to (1). | state state /etc/hosts | regular templated | (1) #BRK | UP/L7OK MAINT/resolution VALID | MAINT/resolution | UP/L7OK | (2) BRK| UP/L7OK DOWN/L4TOUT VALID | MAINT/resolution | UP/L7OK | (3) #BRK | UP/L7OK MAINT/resolution VALID | MAINT/resolution | UP/L7OK | (4) BRK| UP/L7OK DOWN/L4TOUT VALID | MAINT/resolution | UP/L7OK | (5) BRK| DOWN/L4TOUT DOWN/L4TOUT #VALID | MAINT/resolution | MAINT/resolution Everything good here, too. Adding the broken DNS entry does not bring the proxies down until only the broken one is left. Test 3: Start out "broken only" (1). Again, same as before, haproxy restarted once dnsmasq was initialized to (1). | state state /etc/hosts | regular templated | (1) BRK| DOWN/L4TOUT DOWN/L4TOUT #VALID | MAINT/resolution | MAINT/resolution | (2) BRK| DOWN/L4TOUT UP/L7OK VALID | MAINT/resolution | MAINT/resolution | (3) #BRK | UP/L7OK MAINT/resolution VALID | UP/L7OK | MAINT/resolution | (4) BRK| UP/L7OK DOWN/L4TOUT VALID | UP/L7OK | MAINT/resolution |--
Re: DNS Resolver Issues
Hello Daniel, You might be missing the hold-valid directive in your resolvers section: https://www.haproxy.com/documentation/hapee/1-9r1/onepage/#5.3.2-timeout This should force HAProxy to fetch the DNS record values from the resolver. A reload of the HAProxy instance also forces the instances to query all records from the resolver. Can you please retest with the updated configuration and report back the results? Best regards, Bruno Henc ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, March 21, 2019 12:09 PM, Daniel Schneller wrote: > Hello! > > Friendly bump :) > I'd be willing to amend the documentation once I understand what's going on :D > > Cheers, > Daniel > > > On 18. Mar 2019, at 20:28, Daniel Schneller > > daniel.schnel...@centerdevice.com wrote: > > Hi everyone! > > I assume I am misunderstanding something, but I cannot figure out what it > > is. > > We are using haproxy in AWS, in this case as sidecars to applications so > > they need not > > know about changing backend addresses at all, but can always talk to > > localhost. > > Haproxy listens on localhost and then forwards traffic to an ELB instance. > > This works great, but there have been two occasions now, where due to a > > change in the > > ELB's IP addresses, our services went down, because the backends could not > > be reached > > anymore. I don't understand why haproxy sticks to the old IP address > > instead of going > > to one of the updated ones. > > There is a resolvers section which points to the local dnsmasq instance > > (there to send > > some requests to consul, but that's not used here). All other traffic is > > forwarded on > > to the AWS DNS server set via DHCP. > > I managed to get timely updates and updated backend servers when using > > server-template, > > but form what I understand this should not really be necessary for this. > > This is the trimmed down sidecar config. I have not made any changes to dns > > timeouts etc. > > resolvers default > > > > dnsmasq > > > > > > > > nameserver local 127.0.0.1:53 > > listen regular > > bind 127.0.0.1:9300 > > option dontlog-normal > > server lb-internal loadbalancer-internal.xxx.yyy:9300 resolvers default > > check addr loadbalancer-internal.xxx.yyy port 9300 > > listen templated > > bind 127.0.0.1:9200 > > option dontlog-normal > > option httpchk /haproxy-simple-healthcheck > > server-template lb-internal 2 loadbalancer-internal.xxx.yyy:9200 resolvers > > default check port 9299 > > To simulate changing ELB adresses, I added entries for > > loadbalancer-internal.xxx.yyy in /etc/hosts > > and to be able to control them via dnsmasq. > > I tried different scenarios, but could not reliably predict what would > > happen in all cases. > > The address ending in 52 (marked as "valid" below) is a currently (as of > > the time of testing) > > valid IP for the ELB. The one ending in 199 (marked "invalid") is an unused > > private IP address > > in my VPC. > > Starting with /etc/hosts: > > 10.205.100.52 loadbalancer-internal.xxx.yyy # valid > > 10.205.100.199 loadbalancer-internal.xxx.yyy # invalid > > haproxy starts and reports: > > regular: lb-internal UP/L7OK > > templated: lb-internal1 DOWN/L4TOUT > > lb-internal2 UP/L7OK > > That's expected. Now when I edit /etc/hosts to only contain the invalid > > address > > and restart dnsmasq, I would expect both proxies to go fully down. But only > > the templated > > proxy behaves like that: > > regular: lb-internal UP/L7OK > > templated: lb-internal1 DOWN/L4TOUT > > lb-internal2 MAINT (resolution) > > Reloading haproxy in this state leads to: > > regular: lb-internal DOWN/L4TOUT > > templated: lb-internal1 MAINT (resolution) > > lb-internal2 DOWN/L4TOUT > > After fixing /etc/hosts to include the valid server again and restarting > > dnsmasq: > > regular: lb-internal DOWN/L4TOUT > > templated: lb-internal1 UP/L7OK > > lb-internal2 DOWN/L4TOUT > > Shouldn't the regular proxy also recognize the change and bring the backend > > up or down > > depending on the DNS change? I have waited for several health check rounds > > (seeing > > "* L4TOUT" and "L4TOUT") toggle, but it still never updates. > > I also tried to have only the invalid address in /etc/hosts, then > > restarting haproxy. > > The regular backends will never recognize it when I add the valid one back > > in. > > The templated one does, unless I set it up to have only 1 instead of 2 > > server slots. > > In that case it behaves will also only pick up the valid server when > > reloaded. > > On the other hand, it will recognize when I remove the valid server without > > a reload > > on the next health check, but not bring them back in and make the proxy UP > > when it > > comes back. > > I assume my understanding of something here is broken, and I would gladly > > be told > > about it :) > > Thanks a lot! > > Daniel > > > > Version Info: > > > > -- > > > > $ haproxy -vv > > HA-Proxy version 1.8.19-1ppa1~trusty 2019/02/12 > >
Re: DNS Resolver Issues
Hello! Friendly bump :) I'd be willing to amend the documentation once I understand what's going on :D Cheers, Daniel > On 18. Mar 2019, at 20:28, Daniel Schneller > wrote: > > Hi everyone! > > I assume I am misunderstanding something, but I cannot figure out what it is. > We are using haproxy in AWS, in this case as sidecars to applications so they > need not > know about changing backend addresses at all, but can always talk to > localhost. > > Haproxy listens on localhost and then forwards traffic to an ELB instance. > This works great, but there have been two occasions now, where due to a > change in the > ELB's IP addresses, our services went down, because the backends could not be > reached > anymore. I don't understand why haproxy sticks to the old IP address instead > of going > to one of the updated ones. > > There is a resolvers section which points to the local dnsmasq instance > (there to send > some requests to consul, but that's not used here). All other traffic is > forwarded on > to the AWS DNS server set via DHCP. > > I managed to get timely updates and updated backend servers when using > server-template, > but form what I understand this should not really be necessary for this. > > This is the trimmed down sidecar config. I have not made any changes to dns > timeouts etc. > > resolvers default > # dnsmasq > nameserver local 127.0.0.1:53 > > listen regular > bind 127.0.0.1:9300 > option dontlog-normal > server lb-internal loadbalancer-internal.xxx.yyy:9300 resolvers default > check addr loadbalancer-internal.xxx.yyy port 9300 > > listen templated > bind 127.0.0.1:9200 > option dontlog-normal > option httpchk /haproxy-simple-healthcheck > server-template lb-internal 2 loadbalancer-internal.xxx.yyy:9200 resolvers > default check port 9299 > > > To simulate changing ELB adresses, I added entries for > loadbalancer-internal.xxx.yyy in /etc/hosts > and to be able to control them via dnsmasq. > > I tried different scenarios, but could not reliably predict what would happen > in all cases. > > The address ending in 52 (marked as "valid" below) is a currently (as of the > time of testing) > valid IP for the ELB. The one ending in 199 (marked "invalid") is an unused > private IP address > in my VPC. > > > Starting with /etc/hosts: > > 10.205.100.52 loadbalancer-internal.xxx.yyy# valid > 10.205.100.199 loadbalancer-internal.xxx.yyy# invalid > > haproxy starts and reports: > > regular: lb-internal UP/L7OK > templated: lb-internal1 DOWN/L4TOUT > lb-internal2UP/L7OK > > That's expected. Now when I edit /etc/hosts to _only_ contain the _invalid_ > address > and restart dnsmasq, I would expect both proxies to go fully down. But only > the templated > proxy behaves like that: > > regular: lb-internal UP/L7OK > templated: lb-internal1 DOWN/L4TOUT > lb-internal2 MAINT (resolution) > > Reloading haproxy in this state leads to: > > regular: lb-internal DOWN/L4TOUT > templated: lb-internal1 MAINT (resolution) > lb-internal2 DOWN/L4TOUT > > After fixing /etc/hosts to include the valid server again and restarting > dnsmasq: > > regular: lb-internal DOWN/L4TOUT > templated: lb-internal1UP/L7OK > lb-internal2 DOWN/L4TOUT > > > Shouldn't the regular proxy also recognize the change and bring the backend > up or down > depending on the DNS change? I have waited for several health check rounds > (seeing > "* L4TOUT" and "L4TOUT") toggle, but it still never updates. > > I also tried to have _only_ the invalid address in /etc/hosts, then > restarting haproxy. > The regular backends will never recognize it when I add the valid one back in. > > The templated one does, _unless_ I set it up to have only 1 instead of 2 > server slots. > In that case it behaves will also only pick up the valid server when reloaded. > > On the other hand, it _will_ recognize when I remove the valid server without > a reload > on the next health check, but _not_ bring them back in and make the proxy UP > when it > comes back. > > > I assume my understanding of something here is broken, and I would gladly be > told > about it :) > > > Thanks a lot! > Daniel > > > Version Info: > -- > $ haproxy -vv > HA-Proxy version 1.8.19-1ppa1~trusty 2019/02/12 > Copyright 2000-2019 Willy Tarreau > > Build options : > TARGET = linux2628 > CPU = generic > CC = gcc > CFLAGS = -O2 -g -O2 -fPIE -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 > -Wformat -Werror=format-security -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fno-strict-aliasing > -Wdeclaration-after-statement -fwrapv -Wno-unused-label > OPTIONS = USE_GETADDRINFO=1 USE_ZLIB=1 USE_REGPARM=1 USE_OPENSSL=1 USE_LUA=1 > USE_PCRE=1 USE_PCRE_JIT=1 USE_NS=1 > > Default settings : > maxconn = 2000, bufsize = 16384, maxrewrite = 1024, maxpollevents = 200 > > Built with OpenSSL version : OpenSSL 1.0.1f 6 Jan 2014 > Running on OpenSSL versio
DNS Resolver Issues
Hi everyone! I assume I am misunderstanding something, but I cannot figure out what it is. We are using haproxy in AWS, in this case as sidecars to applications so they need not know about changing backend addresses at all, but can always talk to localhost. Haproxy listens on localhost and then forwards traffic to an ELB instance. This works great, but there have been two occasions now, where due to a change in the ELB's IP addresses, our services went down, because the backends could not be reached anymore. I don't understand why haproxy sticks to the old IP address instead of going to one of the updated ones. There is a resolvers section which points to the local dnsmasq instance (there to send some requests to consul, but that's not used here). All other traffic is forwarded on to the AWS DNS server set via DHCP. I managed to get timely updates and updated backend servers when using server-template, but form what I understand this should not really be necessary for this. This is the trimmed down sidecar config. I have not made any changes to dns timeouts etc. resolvers default # dnsmasq nameserver local 127.0.0.1:53 listen regular bind 127.0.0.1:9300 option dontlog-normal server lb-internal loadbalancer-internal.xxx.yyy:9300 resolvers default check addr loadbalancer-internal.xxx.yyy port 9300 listen templated bind 127.0.0.1:9200 option dontlog-normal option httpchk /haproxy-simple-healthcheck server-template lb-internal 2 loadbalancer-internal.xxx.yyy:9200 resolvers default check port 9299 To simulate changing ELB adresses, I added entries for loadbalancer-internal.xxx.yyy in /etc/hosts and to be able to control them via dnsmasq. I tried different scenarios, but could not reliably predict what would happen in all cases. The address ending in 52 (marked as "valid" below) is a currently (as of the time of testing) valid IP for the ELB. The one ending in 199 (marked "invalid") is an unused private IP address in my VPC. Starting with /etc/hosts: 10.205.100.52 loadbalancer-internal.xxx.yyy# valid 10.205.100.199 loadbalancer-internal.xxx.yyy# invalid haproxy starts and reports: regular: lb-internal UP/L7OK templated: lb-internal1 DOWN/L4TOUT lb-internal2UP/L7OK That's expected. Now when I edit /etc/hosts to _only_ contain the _invalid_ address and restart dnsmasq, I would expect both proxies to go fully down. But only the templated proxy behaves like that: regular: lb-internal UP/L7OK templated: lb-internal1 DOWN/L4TOUT lb-internal2 MAINT (resolution) Reloading haproxy in this state leads to: regular: lb-internal DOWN/L4TOUT templated: lb-internal1 MAINT (resolution) lb-internal2 DOWN/L4TOUT After fixing /etc/hosts to include the valid server again and restarting dnsmasq: regular: lb-internal DOWN/L4TOUT templated: lb-internal1UP/L7OK lb-internal2 DOWN/L4TOUT Shouldn't the regular proxy also recognize the change and bring the backend up or down depending on the DNS change? I have waited for several health check rounds (seeing "* L4TOUT" and "L4TOUT") toggle, but it still never updates. I also tried to have _only_ the invalid address in /etc/hosts, then restarting haproxy. The regular backends will never recognize it when I add the valid one back in. The templated one does, _unless_ I set it up to have only 1 instead of 2 server slots. In that case it behaves will also only pick up the valid server when reloaded. On the other hand, it _will_ recognize when I remove the valid server without a reload on the next health check, but _not_ bring them back in and make the proxy UP when it comes back. I assume my understanding of something here is broken, and I would gladly be told about it :) Thanks a lot! Daniel Version Info: -- $ haproxy -vv HA-Proxy version 1.8.19-1ppa1~trusty 2019/02/12 Copyright 2000-2019 Willy Tarreau Build options : TARGET = linux2628 CPU = generic CC = gcc CFLAGS = -O2 -g -O2 -fPIE -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat -Werror=format-security -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fno-strict-aliasing -Wdeclaration-after-statement -fwrapv -Wno-unused-label OPTIONS = USE_GETADDRINFO=1 USE_ZLIB=1 USE_REGPARM=1 USE_OPENSSL=1 USE_LUA=1 USE_PCRE=1 USE_PCRE_JIT=1 USE_NS=1 Default settings : maxconn = 2000, bufsize = 16384, maxrewrite = 1024, maxpollevents = 200 Built with OpenSSL version : OpenSSL 1.0.1f 6 Jan 2014 Running on OpenSSL version : OpenSSL 1.0.1f 6 Jan 2014 OpenSSL library supports TLS extensions : yes OpenSSL library supports SNI : yes OpenSSL library supports : SSLv3 TLSv1.0 TLSv1.1 TLSv1.2 Built with Lua version : Lua 5.3.1 Built with transparent proxy support using: IP_TRANSPARENT IPV6_TRANSPARENT IP_FREEBIND Encrypted password support via crypt(3): yes Built with multi-threading support. Built with PCRE version : 8.31 2012-07-06 Running on PCRE versi