Re: By what means does the Heroku Toolbelt update my PATH?

[ebdb]

Ok, cool. Thanks for the info.


On Sunday, September 8, 2013 5:14:37 PM UTC-7, David Dollar wrote:
>
> The OSX toolbelt attempts to add itself to one of your startup scripts 
> based on which shell you're running:
>
> https://github.com/heroku/heroku/blob/master/dist/resources/pkg/postinstall
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 8:05 PM, ebdb >wrote:
>
>> D'oh! Sorry.
>>
>> OS X.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 8, 2013 3:25:02 PM UTC-7, Daniel Farina wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 3:06 PM, ebdb  wrote: 
>>> > I just installed the Heroku Toolbelt from here... 
>>> > 
>>> > <https://toolbelt.heroku.com/> 
>>> > 
>>> > At the bottom of the page it says... 
>>> > 
>>> > Technical details 
>>> > 
>>> > The heroku command line client will be installed into 
>>> /usr/local/heroku and 
>>> > /usr/local/heroku/bin will be added to your PATH. 
>>> > 
>>> > I'm wondering how that all gets set up. 
>>> > [...] 
>>> > Where did the installer make changes? 
>>>
>>> What platform; e.g. Mac, Linux, Windows... 
>>>
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Re: By what means does the Heroku Toolbelt update my PATH?

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D'oh! Sorry.

OS X.


On Sunday, September 8, 2013 3:25:02 PM UTC-7, Daniel Farina wrote:
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> On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 3:06 PM, ebdb > 
> wrote: 
> > I just installed the Heroku Toolbelt from here... 
> > 
> > <https://toolbelt.heroku.com/> 
> > 
> > At the bottom of the page it says... 
> > 
> > Technical details 
> > 
> > The heroku command line client will be installed into /usr/local/heroku 
> and 
> > /usr/local/heroku/bin will be added to your PATH. 
> > 
> > I'm wondering how that all gets set up. 
> > [...] 
> > Where did the installer make changes? 
>
> What platform; e.g. Mac, Linux, Windows... 
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By what means does the Heroku Toolbelt update my PATH?

[ebdb]

I just installed the Heroku Toolbelt from here...



At the bottom of the page it says...

*Technical details*
*
*
*The heroku command line client will be installed into /usr/local/heroku 
and /usr/local/heroku/bin will be added to your PATH.*

I'm wondering how that all gets set up.

I'm not finding any changes to any of my shell config files.

My $PATH doesn't have the Heroku dir in it.

The heroku command does seem to be available, so that's cool.

But what effect did installing Heroku have on my machine?

Where did the installer make changes?

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Re: Do add-ons apply to more than one application in an account?

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Awesome -- thanks for clearing that up. I appreciate the help.

Where else did I look for an answer?

That was yesterday, but I'll do my best to remember...

I know read through the getting started guide ( 
https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/quickstart ) and then the Rails 
section ( https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/rails3 ).

I know I read the individual pages for (at least) the ClearDB MySQL add-on 
( https://addons.heroku.com/cleardb ).

I definitely looked at the pricing page ( https://www.heroku.com/pricing ).

Hope that helps.

E


On Tuesday, September 3, 2013 3:22:14 PM UTC-7, Robbie wrote:
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> Hi, Robbie from Heroku Add-ons here.
>
> It's case *B.*
> *
> *
> This isn't super clear from the add-ons page you're right. In the interest 
> of making our product clearer can I ask if you looked anywhere else on our 
> site? Or if you searched and google and what those searches were?
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 2:57 PM, ebdb >wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, September 3, 2013 9:32:03 AM UTC-7, Troy Davis wrote:
>>
>>> Even if add-ons don't fit your situation perfectly, the Heroku platform 
>>> and/or those services may. Add-ons cover most cases, but (rightly) don't 
>>> try to cover every last situation.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the response. I hope I didn't say anything to suggest that I 
>> expected Heroku's add-ons to cover every last situation.
>>
>> I think maybe I wasn't clear enough in phrasing my original question.
>>
>> Let me try again...
>>
>> Let's say I deployed two apps on Heroku, and (for example) both need 
>> Sphinx Search, which of the following is true?
>>
>> CASE "A": I pay for the "Flying Sphinx" add-on ONCE. (I've purchased it 
>> generally, for my whole Heroku account and everything running on it.)
>>
>> CASE "B": I pay for the "Flying Sphinx" add-on TWICE. (Once for each app.)
>>
>> It isn't clear to me from the add-ons page which one is true.
>>
>>  If an add-on isn't a good fit, you can usually provision the service 
>>> separately (at the expense of SSO, Heroku-managed collaborators, and 
>>> centralized billing).
>>>
>>
>>> Troy
>>>
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Re: Do add-ons apply to more than one application in an account?

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On Tuesday, September 3, 2013 9:32:03 AM UTC-7, Troy Davis wrote:

> Even if add-ons don't fit your situation perfectly, the Heroku platform 
> and/or those services may. Add-ons cover most cases, but (rightly) don't 
> try to cover every last situation.
>

Thanks for the response. I hope I didn't say anything to suggest that I 
expected Heroku's add-ons to cover every last situation.

I think maybe I wasn't clear enough in phrasing my original question.

Let me try again...

Let's say I deployed two apps on Heroku, and (for example) both need Sphinx 
Search, which of the following is true?

CASE "A": I pay for the "Flying Sphinx" add-on ONCE. (I've purchased it 
generally, for my whole Heroku account and everything running on it.)

CASE "B": I pay for the "Flying Sphinx" add-on TWICE. (Once for each app.)

It isn't clear to me from the add-ons page which one is true.

If an add-on isn't a good fit, you can usually provision the service 
> separately (at the expense of SSO, Heroku-managed collaborators, and 
> centralized billing).
>

> Troy
>
> -- 
> @troyd
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Do add-ons apply to more than one application in an account?

[ebdb]

Ok, still evaluating whether Heroku is going to work for me.

I'm likely to have multiple Rails Web apps.

All the apps will probably need these add-ons...

- "Clear DB" MySQL database.

- Flying Sphinx.

- SSL

If I buy an add-on, does it apply to every app I'm running, or do I need to 
buy a separate copy for each app?

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Re: Do I have this cost breakdown right?

[ebdb]

Ok, great. Thanks a lot for the reply.


On Monday, September 2, 2013 7:38:13 AM UTC-7, Jamu Kakar wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> I'm on the billing team at Heroku and your analysis of the pricing is 
> correct.  All of our products are pro-rated to the second, so you could try 
> the MySQL addon, for example, for a couple of days and do some load testing 
> to make sure it meets your needs.  We'll only charge you for the time 
> you've used.  If it turns out that it doesn't meet your needs you can 
> deprovision it and we'll stop charging you for it.  Also, we don't offer 
> MySQL directly, it's provided by a third-party addon provider.  I'm not 
> up-to-speed about the quality of their service, so I can't give you any 
> advice there.
>
> Thanks,
> J.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:24 AM, ebdb >wrote:
>
>> I'm considering deploying a small Rails project to Heroku,
>>
>> I want to double-check that I'm understanding the pricing correctly.
>>
>> I'd have 2 dynos (to start). So that's $34.50.
>>
>> I'll need a MySQL DB, not PostgreSQL -- so that's one add-on. I can 
>> probably get away with the "Punch" level for now, so that's $10.
>> I need Sphinx search. I think I can probably get by with the "wooden" 
>> option, so that's another $12.
>>
>> I'll need some kind of caching solution. I guess the free Memcachier 
>> might work to start out.
>>
>> I'll definitely need SSL, so that's $20/month.
>>  
>> So that's 76.50 / month for one website. Ok, that might work for this 
>> starter project.
>>
>> Are there any other likely costs I should be aware of before I dive in?
>>
>> One other question -- knowing that Heroku has historically been pretty 
>> committed to PostgreSQL, is their MySQL offering production ready? And will 
>> I be able to hook Flying Sphinx up to it without a lot of hassle?
>>
>> I mean is that a known and traveled path in Heroku? Or would I be doing 
>> something weird and not well supported?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> E
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Do I have this cost breakdown right?

[ebdb]

I'm considering deploying a small Rails project to Heroku,

I want to double-check that I'm understanding the pricing correctly.

I'd have 2 dynos (to start). So that's $34.50.

I'll need a MySQL DB, not PostgreSQL -- so that's one add-on. I can 
probably get away with the "Punch" level for now, so that's $10.
I need Sphinx search. I think I can probably get by with the "wooden" 
option, so that's another $12.

I'll need some kind of caching solution. I guess the free Memcachier might 
work to start out.

I'll definitely need SSL, so that's $20/month.
 
So that's 76.50 / month for one website. Ok, that might work for this 
starter project.

Are there any other likely costs I should be aware of before I dive in?

One other question -- knowing that Heroku has historically been pretty 
committed to PostgreSQL, is their MySQL offering production ready? And will 
I be able to hook Flying Sphinx up to it without a lot of hassle?

I mean is that a known and traveled path in Heroku? Or would I be doing 
something weird and not well supported?

Thanks,

E

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What version of PostgreSQL does Heroku use?

[ebdb]

Hi. I'm just setting up my account and dev machine. I'd like to try to
get my PostgreSQL version on my dev machine as close as possible to
what's on Heroku.

What version would that be?

Thanks!

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Re: Is Heroku Going to Work?

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On Apr 10, 2:59 pm, ChessMess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have to wonder how mod_rails will change the landscape when its
> released.
>
> I'm rooting for Heroku though, its a great thing for the community and
> they provide some unique and superb services.

Heroku is super cool, no question, but it isn't unique.
morphexchange.com provides a very similar service, minus the online
Rails dev environment. And Google has just announced a service based
on the same general concept, though using Python instead of Ruby.

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Re: Is Heroku Going to Work?

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> I definitely see Heroku as a useful tool and am prepared to endure the
> growing pains.

I agree that the idea behind Heroku is awesome and I did invest
significant time in developing an app on Heroku up until about a month
ago. However, at that point, I decided I couldn't work with
limitations and "growing pains" and I moved my efforts back to a
conventional VPS deployment setup.

I've been keeping an eye on Heroku ever since though, hoping they'll
bust out with a new release that's more happening. Morph
morphexchange.com and now Google are working on solving the same
problem. No one is quite there yet, but it will be interesting to see
who comes forward with something that's actually usable.

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Re: Export project with plugins

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On Mar 8, 6:32 pm, "Adam Wiggins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/7/08, holczer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >  It seems that the clone option of the new heroku command line api to
> >  export an application to work locally, doesn't include the vendor
> >  directory.
>
> Right you are - "vendor/gems" should be in the .gitignore, not
> "vendor".  I've made the change, it should be deployed next week.
>
> If you're wondering why vendor/gems should be ignored, it's because we
> use a patch to Rails that loads gems from vendor/gems - which you
> won't have locally.  So you'll need to install whatever gems your app
> depends on.  This isn't too hot, but there are potentially some other
> solutions, such as Chad Woolley's geminstaller.  We're still looking
> into what can best be done here.  Just in general, managing project
> gem dependencies seems to be a significant point of pain in the Rails
> community right now - I'm hoping a good general-purpose solution will
> emerge in the coming months.
>
> Adam

I was putting gems into vendor/gems locally then checking that in. Is
that bad?

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Re: "gems" and "plugins" dirs at top level

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On Mar 8, 6:37 pm, "Adam Wiggins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/8/08, ebdb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >  I've noticed that there were directories "gems" and "plugins" as well
> >  as "rails" at the top level of my app. I'm using to seeing those
> >  underneath "vendor".
>
> Yeah, those shouldn't be there.  Is this locally, or in the web
> editor?  Either way, let me know the app name and I can look at it.
>
> Adam

Just locally. Weird.

molecule.heroku.com

Thanks,

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Command line DB backup?

[ebdb]

I'm still wondering about the answer to this...

Is there a way to get a DB dump from my local command line to my local
machine?

Thanks,

Ethan

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"gems" and "plugins" dirs at top level

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I've noticed that there were directories "gems" and "plugins" as well
as "rails" at the top level of my app. I'm using to seeing those
underneath "vendor". In fact, I created a "vendor" dir in my app
(there wasn't one originally created by the Heroku app generator). I
deleted the top-level gems, plugins, and rails dirs. However, now they
have reappeared. I want to say it was after I did a "git push" but I'm
not sure.

If I could get some explanation of what's happening here it would be
great. The app is working OK, but I'm confused about where these dirs
are coming from and why they aren't in the standard location.

Thanks,

Ethan
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Re: HAML

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On Mar 6, 9:14 pm, ab5tract <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
> One of the reasons I want to use Rails is to use HAML. (I can't
> imagine life with close-tags at this point).
>
> Why is Heroku responding with the following:
>
> 
>  Showing index/show.haml where line # raised:
>
> Illegal Nesting: Nesting within a tag that already has content is
> illegal.
>

I use Haml on my Heroku app like crazy, so it's no problem. You can do
it.

I have seen that error before. When I've seen it, the error resulted
from opening a tag, putting content in it on the same line, then
trying to nest something in it.

Example:

(This won't work):

%p here's some content
  %span now here I'm trying to nest some more content

The right way:

%p
  here's some content
  %span
now I can nest more content no problem

Hope that helps.

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Re: Error using API

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> On Mar 6, 1:15 am, ebdb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> On Mar 5, 8:33 pm, "John 
> Barnette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 7:16 PM, holczer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > >  When I try to use the API to get a local copy of my app, I get an
> > > >  error. Below is the output of the command "heroku clone dash":
>
> > > >  Initialized empty Git repository in /Users/mike/ruby/dash/.git/
> > > >  Permission denied (publickey).
> > > >  fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
> > > >  fetch-pack from '[EMAIL PROTECTED]:dash.git' failed.
>
> > > >  Anyone know what I am doing wrong?
>
> > > Do you possibly use a DSA key with SSH normally? When I first started
> > > playing with the gem, I didn't have an RSA key. After I generated (and
> > > uploaded) one, All my connections failed in the same way. I assume
> > > that authentication was trying my DSA key first and failing.
>
> > I found success by generating an rsa key instead of my usual dsa.
>
> > $ ssh-keygen -t rsa
>
> > Hope that helps.
>
> > Ethan

> I tried that command and I still get the same error. Did you specify a
> location for the key pair other than the default?
>

"Top posting", dude. Check out how I reordered the messages. Some
people will really go nuts if you do that.

To answer your question, I just used the default location. I also
ran...

$ heroku upload_authkey

According to the video, or docs, or something that step happens
automatically, but I found that I had to do it explicitly.

Ethan
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Re: ror hosting

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On Mar 5, 2:38 pm, "Dan Dorman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://heroku.com/+1

Is Heroku shared hosting? Do the apps share server instances? I
thought they each have their own EC2 VM.

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Re: Error using API

[ebdb]

On Mar 5, 8:33 pm, "John Barnette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 7:16 PM, holczer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >  When I try to use the API to get a local copy of my app, I get an
> >  error. Below is the output of the command "heroku clone dash":
>
> >  Initialized empty Git repository in /Users/mike/ruby/dash/.git/
> >  Permission denied (publickey).
> >  fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
> >  fetch-pack from '[EMAIL PROTECTED]:dash.git' failed.
>
> >  Anyone know what I am doing wrong?
>
> Do you possibly use a DSA key with SSH normally? When I first started
> playing with the gem, I didn't have an RSA key. After I generated (and
> uploaded) one, All my connections failed in the same way. I assume
> that authentication was trying my DSA key first and failing.

I found success by generating an rsa key instead of my usual dsa.

$ ssh-keygen -t rsa

Hope that helps.

Ethan
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Automated way to run external DB backup?

[ebdb]

Hey guys. I would like to work out a DB backup routine for my app.
I've read about YamlDb plugin here:

http://blog.heroku.com/archives/2007/11/23/yamldb_for_databaseindependent_data_dumps/

It looks awesome. I did an export from the website interface and noted
that there is a native Postgres dump file as well as the YamlDb file.
That is cool.

However, I want to set up an automated routine using a cron job on my
VPS machine or at least a script on my laptop. Is there any way to do
that?

I looked over the docs for the API. I was hoping to find a command
like "heroku db_dump appname" or something.

Anyway, is there a command-line way to do this?

Thanks,

Ethan
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Re: SQLite vs. MySQL

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On Mar 3, 6:05 pm, "Adam Wiggins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/3/08, ebdb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >  If I change it to point to my local MySQL server, will that mess everything
> >  up when I try to run the app on Heroku? Or can I put whatever I want
> >  in my local database.yml?
>
> You can put whatever you want.  Heroku uses Postgres; the API writes a
> custom database.yml with SQLite3 since it's the Rails default.

OK, thanks for the info.

Ethan
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SQLite vs. MySQL

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I created a new app on Heroku using the API and then cloned it. I
noticed that the db is set up with SQLite. I'm not really familiar
with that DB server. I've been using MySQL for development. If I
change it to point to my local MySQL server, will that mess everything
up when I try to run the app on Heroku? Or can I put whatever I want
in my local database.yml?

Thanks,

Ethan
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App not deploying, no errors

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Hi. I had an application (cards.heroku.com) running and I had some
data in it and I was using it.

I made some changes locally, tarred it up, and uploaded it through the
website.

The editor said I had migrations to run, though I did not add any
migrations. I clicked the button, which wiped out my data.

I guess I misunderstood. I thought that the upload form was a way to
update an existing app. Is it more like a way to start from scratch?

Now at the URL it says "app now starting" but it's been saying that
for 20 minutes. It could be a problem with my application, though it's
working locally.

I did just request blessing for this app, so sorry if it looks like
I'm trying to get blessing for a non-functioning app. It was
functioning great an hour ago.

Thanks,

Ethan
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