Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

2012-04-08 Thread ics 

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=29387083&postcount=25

Due to this post, i keep reporting and so should everyone else.

-ics

8.4.2012 22:55, AnAkIn . kirjoitti:

The report violation button is useless. It just makes you think you're
doing something good, but you're wasting your time.

Le 8 avril 2012 21:53, ics  a écrit :

You are wrong about users who don't have profile set not having those
"report violation" buttons. It just requires you to be logged in to
Steamcommunity with your browser to see it. I've reported dozens of cheaters
who do not have profiles set through community (with little success of VAC
bans i might add) and some of them do have been banned.

-ics

8.4.2012 22:43, Vij kirjoitti:


A phone verification system is probably not a bad idea but I think we have
gone over this discussion about a month or so ago.

- KAC like Global Sourceban database can be somewhat effective against
hackers/cheaters until valve decides to do something about the problem.
- There is no "Report violation" feature available if the user doesn't
have
his/her profile setup.


-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of ics
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 3:26 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

It's not same all around the europe regarding IP's. Here i've seen my own
ip
change perhaps 1-2 in a year or even less. Of course it depends a lot from
the isp but the ip-ranges can be starting from 81.* or 78.* or
87.* 62.* so it's propably the same for anyone else using the same ISP.
Then there are those which have IP change every time they reset their dsl
box.

If someone managed to do 20 accounts and cause havoc on IFA Gaming
servers,
then obviously the counter measures that Valve said they had when TF2 went
Free to Play are ineffective. Could happen to anyone of us. Luckily these
idiots who use their Free to play accounts are somewhat stupid and not
every
case becomes as such.

-ics

8.4.2012 21:55, Yuki kirjoitti:

Not even proxies are necessary. Just seems to be a case of the
America-wide-web. Dynamic IPs are thrown at your door every time you
reset the router here, and it's probably the same in most of Europe.

On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:53:11 +0100, IFA Gaming
wrote:


I agree there with daz. Ppl behind proxies usually have completely
diff ip everytime they connect.


On Apr 8, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Yukiwrote:


Depends where you are. IP ranges won't help in the slightest in the
UK. Your IP can be completely different just by resetting the router.

On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:54:03 +0100, Saul Rennison
wrote:


That's why you ban IP ranges.


Kind regards,
*Saul Rennison*


On 8 April 2012 18:44, IFA Gamingwrote:


IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get
around that.
Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs
and everytime he connected from a diff IP.


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davis
wrote:

I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need  to
feel big

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson<
ail...@gmail.com>wrote:


The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least,
since they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating
(going full spinhack/speedhack etc).


On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z<
spacebur...@gmail.com>wrote:


Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can
persist in creating alts until you block their IP range.


On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie<
brodie7...@gmail.com>wrote:


Can't always deduce the "logic" of others, you'll go crazy
trying ;)
On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, "Andrew de Jong"<

k.r.o.n@hotmail.com>wrote:


In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and
cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat?
I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't
good for
your skills so thats why i don't get cheating.
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Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

2012-04-08 Thread AnAkIn . 
The report violation button is useless. It just makes you think you're
doing something good, but you're wasting your time.

Le 8 avril 2012 21:53, ics  a écrit :
> You are wrong about users who don't have profile set not having those
> "report violation" buttons. It just requires you to be logged in to
> Steamcommunity with your browser to see it. I've reported dozens of cheaters
> who do not have profiles set through community (with little success of VAC
> bans i might add) and some of them do have been banned.
>
> -ics
>
> 8.4.2012 22:43, Vij kirjoitti:
>
>> A phone verification system is probably not a bad idea but I think we have
>> gone over this discussion about a month or so ago.
>>
>> - KAC like Global Sourceban database can be somewhat effective against
>> hackers/cheaters until valve decides to do something about the problem.
>> - There is no "Report violation" feature available if the user doesn't
>> have
>> his/her profile setup.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
>> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of ics
>> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 3:26 PM
>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...
>>
>> It's not same all around the europe regarding IP's. Here i've seen my own
>> ip
>> change perhaps 1-2 in a year or even less. Of course it depends a lot from
>> the isp but the ip-ranges can be starting from 81.* or 78.* or
>> 87.* 62.* so it's propably the same for anyone else using the same ISP.
>> Then there are those which have IP change every time they reset their dsl
>> box.
>>
>> If someone managed to do 20 accounts and cause havoc on IFA Gaming
>> servers,
>> then obviously the counter measures that Valve said they had when TF2 went
>> Free to Play are ineffective. Could happen to anyone of us. Luckily these
>> idiots who use their Free to play accounts are somewhat stupid and not
>> every
>> case becomes as such.
>>
>> -ics
>>
>> 8.4.2012 21:55, Yuki kirjoitti:
>>>
>>> Not even proxies are necessary. Just seems to be a case of the
>>> America-wide-web. Dynamic IPs are thrown at your door every time you
>>> reset the router here, and it's probably the same in most of Europe.
>>>
>>> On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:53:11 +0100, IFA Gaming
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree there with daz. Ppl behind proxies usually have completely
>>>> diff ip everytime they connect.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 8, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Yuki  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Depends where you are. IP ranges won't help in the slightest in the
>>>>> UK. Your IP can be completely different just by resetting the router.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:54:03 +0100, Saul Rennison
>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's why you ban IP ranges.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>> *Saul Rennison*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8 April 2012 18:44, IFA Gaming  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get
>>>>>>> around that.
>>>>>>> Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs
>>>>>>> and everytime he connected from a diff IP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davis
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need  to
>>>>>>> feel big
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson<  
>>>>>>> ail...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least,
>>>>>>>> since they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating
>>>>>>>> (going full spinhack/speedhack etc).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z<
>>>>>>>>   spacebur...

Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

2012-04-08 Thread ics 
You are wrong about users who don't have profile set not having those 
"report violation" buttons. It just requires you to be logged in to 
Steamcommunity with your browser to see it. I've reported dozens of 
cheaters who do not have profiles set through community (with little 
success of VAC bans i might add) and some of them do have been banned.


-ics

8.4.2012 22:43, Vij kirjoitti:

A phone verification system is probably not a bad idea but I think we have
gone over this discussion about a month or so ago.

- KAC like Global Sourceban database can be somewhat effective against
hackers/cheaters until valve decides to do something about the problem.
- There is no "Report violation" feature available if the user doesn't have
his/her profile setup.


-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of ics
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 3:26 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

It's not same all around the europe regarding IP's. Here i've seen my own ip
change perhaps 1-2 in a year or even less. Of course it depends a lot from
the isp but the ip-ranges can be starting from 81.* or 78.* or
87.* 62.* so it's propably the same for anyone else using the same ISP.
Then there are those which have IP change every time they reset their dsl
box.

If someone managed to do 20 accounts and cause havoc on IFA Gaming servers,
then obviously the counter measures that Valve said they had when TF2 went
Free to Play are ineffective. Could happen to anyone of us. Luckily these
idiots who use their Free to play accounts are somewhat stupid and not every
case becomes as such.

-ics

8.4.2012 21:55, Yuki kirjoitti:

Not even proxies are necessary. Just seems to be a case of the
America-wide-web. Dynamic IPs are thrown at your door every time you
reset the router here, and it's probably the same in most of Europe.

On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:53:11 +0100, IFA Gaming
wrote:


I agree there with daz. Ppl behind proxies usually have completely
diff ip everytime they connect.


On Apr 8, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Yuki  wrote:


Depends where you are. IP ranges won't help in the slightest in the
UK. Your IP can be completely different just by resetting the router.

On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:54:03 +0100, Saul Rennison
  wrote:


That's why you ban IP ranges.


Kind regards,
*Saul Rennison*


On 8 April 2012 18:44, IFA Gaming  wrote:


IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get
around that.
Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs
and everytime he connected from a diff IP.


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davis
wrote:

I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need  to
feel big

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson<  
ail...@gmail.com>  wrote:


The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least,
since they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating
(going full spinhack/speedhack etc).


On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z<
  spacebur...@gmail.com>  wrote:


Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can
persist in creating alts until you block their IP range.


On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie<  
brodie7...@gmail.com>  wrote:


Can't always deduce the "logic" of others, you'll go crazy
trying ;)
On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, "Andrew de Jong"<

k.r.o.n@hotmail.com>  wrote:


In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and
cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat?
I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't
good for
your skills so thats why i don't get cheating.
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Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

2012-04-08 Thread Cc2iscooL 
Phone verification likely wouldn't help. There are many VOIP phone services
out there where you can change your number on a whim that don't even cost
that much.

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Vij  wrote:

> A phone verification system is probably not a bad idea but I think we have
> gone over this discussion about a month or so ago.
>
> - KAC like Global Sourceban database can be somewhat effective against
> hackers/cheaters until valve decides to do something about the problem.
> - There is no "Report violation" feature available if the user doesn't have
> his/her profile setup.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of ics
> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 3:26 PM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...
>
> It's not same all around the europe regarding IP's. Here i've seen my own
> ip
> change perhaps 1-2 in a year or even less. Of course it depends a lot from
> the isp but the ip-ranges can be starting from 81.* or 78.* or
> 87.* 62.* so it's propably the same for anyone else using the same ISP.
> Then there are those which have IP change every time they reset their dsl
> box.
>
> If someone managed to do 20 accounts and cause havoc on IFA Gaming servers,
> then obviously the counter measures that Valve said they had when TF2 went
> Free to Play are ineffective. Could happen to anyone of us. Luckily these
> idiots who use their Free to play accounts are somewhat stupid and not
> every
> case becomes as such.
>
> -ics
>
> 8.4.2012 21:55, Yuki kirjoitti:
> > Not even proxies are necessary. Just seems to be a case of the
> > America-wide-web. Dynamic IPs are thrown at your door every time you
> > reset the router here, and it's probably the same in most of Europe.
> >
> > On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:53:11 +0100, IFA Gaming 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I agree there with daz. Ppl behind proxies usually have completely
> >> diff ip everytime they connect.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Apr 8, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Yuki  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Depends where you are. IP ranges won't help in the slightest in the
> >>> UK. Your IP can be completely different just by resetting the router.
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:54:03 +0100, Saul Rennison
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> That's why you ban IP ranges.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Kind regards,
> >>>> *Saul Rennison*
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 8 April 2012 18:44, IFA Gaming  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get
> >>>>> around that.
> >>>>> Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs
> >>>>> and everytime he connected from a diff IP.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davis 
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need  to
> >>>>> feel big
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson < 
> >>>>> ail...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least,
> >>>>>> since they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating
> >>>>>> (going full spinhack/speedhack etc).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z <
> >>>>>>  spacebur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can
> >>>>>>> persist in creating alts until you block their IP range.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie < 
> >>>>>>> brodie7...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Can't always deduce the "logic" of others, you'll go crazy
> >>>>>>>> trying ;)
> >>>>>>>> On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, "Andrew de Jong" &l

Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

2012-04-08 Thread AnAkIn . 
We're actually having this discussion every month since TF2 is F2P and
we always come to the same conclusion: Valve doesn't care.

Le 8 avril 2012 21:43, Vij  a écrit :
> A phone verification system is probably not a bad idea but I think we have
> gone over this discussion about a month or so ago.
>
> - KAC like Global Sourceban database can be somewhat effective against
> hackers/cheaters until valve decides to do something about the problem.
> - There is no "Report violation" feature available if the user doesn't have
> his/her profile setup.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of ics
> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 3:26 PM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...
>
> It's not same all around the europe regarding IP's. Here i've seen my own ip
> change perhaps 1-2 in a year or even less. Of course it depends a lot from
> the isp but the ip-ranges can be starting from 81.* or 78.* or
> 87.* 62.* so it's propably the same for anyone else using the same ISP.
> Then there are those which have IP change every time they reset their dsl
> box.
>
> If someone managed to do 20 accounts and cause havoc on IFA Gaming servers,
> then obviously the counter measures that Valve said they had when TF2 went
> Free to Play are ineffective. Could happen to anyone of us. Luckily these
> idiots who use their Free to play accounts are somewhat stupid and not every
> case becomes as such.
>
> -ics
>
> 8.4.2012 21:55, Yuki kirjoitti:
>> Not even proxies are necessary. Just seems to be a case of the
>> America-wide-web. Dynamic IPs are thrown at your door every time you
>> reset the router here, and it's probably the same in most of Europe.
>>
>> On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:53:11 +0100, IFA Gaming 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree there with daz. Ppl behind proxies usually have completely
>>> diff ip everytime they connect.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 8, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Yuki  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Depends where you are. IP ranges won't help in the slightest in the
>>>> UK. Your IP can be completely different just by resetting the router.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:54:03 +0100, Saul Rennison
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's why you ban IP ranges.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> *Saul Rennison*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8 April 2012 18:44, IFA Gaming  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get
>>>>>> around that.
>>>>>> Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs
>>>>>> and everytime he connected from a diff IP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davis 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need  to
>>>>>> feel big
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson < 
>>>>>> ail...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least,
>>>>>>> since they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating
>>>>>>> (going full spinhack/speedhack etc).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z <
>>>>>>>  spacebur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can
>>>>>>>> persist in creating alts until you block their IP range.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie < 
>>>>>>>> brodie7...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can't always deduce the "logic" of others, you'll go crazy
>>>>>>>>> trying ;)
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, "Andrew de Jong" <
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> k.r.o.n@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>

Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

2012-04-08 Thread Vij 
A phone verification system is probably not a bad idea but I think we have
gone over this discussion about a month or so ago. 

- KAC like Global Sourceban database can be somewhat effective against
hackers/cheaters until valve decides to do something about the problem. 
- There is no "Report violation" feature available if the user doesn't have
his/her profile setup.  


-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of ics
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 3:26 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

It's not same all around the europe regarding IP's. Here i've seen my own ip
change perhaps 1-2 in a year or even less. Of course it depends a lot from
the isp but the ip-ranges can be starting from 81.* or 78.* or
87.* 62.* so it's propably the same for anyone else using the same ISP. 
Then there are those which have IP change every time they reset their dsl
box.

If someone managed to do 20 accounts and cause havoc on IFA Gaming servers,
then obviously the counter measures that Valve said they had when TF2 went
Free to Play are ineffective. Could happen to anyone of us. Luckily these
idiots who use their Free to play accounts are somewhat stupid and not every
case becomes as such.

-ics

8.4.2012 21:55, Yuki kirjoitti:
> Not even proxies are necessary. Just seems to be a case of the 
> America-wide-web. Dynamic IPs are thrown at your door every time you 
> reset the router here, and it's probably the same in most of Europe.
>
> On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:53:11 +0100, IFA Gaming 
> wrote:
>
>> I agree there with daz. Ppl behind proxies usually have completely 
>> diff ip everytime they connect.
>>
>>
>> On Apr 8, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Yuki  wrote:
>>
>>> Depends where you are. IP ranges won't help in the slightest in the 
>>> UK. Your IP can be completely different just by resetting the router.
>>>
>>> On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:54:03 +0100, Saul Rennison 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's why you ban IP ranges.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> *Saul Rennison*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 April 2012 18:44, IFA Gaming  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get 
>>>>> around that.
>>>>> Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs 
>>>>> and everytime he connected from a diff IP.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davis 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need  to 
>>>>> feel big
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson <  
>>>>> ail...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least, 
>>>>>> since they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating 
>>>>>> (going full spinhack/speedhack etc).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z < 
>>>>>>  spacebur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can 
>>>>>>> persist in creating alts until you block their IP range.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie < 
>>>>>>> brodie7...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can't always deduce the "logic" of others, you'll go crazy 
>>>>>>>> trying ;)
>>>>>>>> On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, "Andrew de Jong" < 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> k.r.o.n@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and
>>>>>>>>> cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat?
>>>>>>>>> I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't 
>>>>>>>>> good for
>>>>>>>>> your skills so thats why i don't get cheating.
>>>>>>>>> ___
>>>>>>>

Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

2012-04-08 Thread ics 
It's not same all around the europe regarding IP's. Here i've seen my 
own ip change perhaps 1-2 in a year or even less. Of course it depends a 
lot from the isp but the ip-ranges can be starting from 81.* or 78.* or 
87.* 62.* so it's propably the same for anyone else using the same ISP. 
Then there are those which have IP change every time they reset their 
dsl box.


If someone managed to do 20 accounts and cause havoc on IFA Gaming 
servers, then obviously the counter measures that Valve said they had 
when TF2 went Free to Play are ineffective. Could happen to anyone of 
us. Luckily these idiots who use their Free to play accounts are 
somewhat stupid and not every case becomes as such.


-ics

8.4.2012 21:55, Yuki kirjoitti:
Not even proxies are necessary. Just seems to be a case of the 
America-wide-web. Dynamic IPs are thrown at your door every time you 
reset the router here, and it's probably the same in most of Europe.


On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:53:11 +0100, IFA Gaming  
wrote:


I agree there with daz. Ppl behind proxies usually have completely 
diff ip everytime they connect.



On Apr 8, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Yuki  wrote:

Depends where you are. IP ranges won't help in the slightest in the 
UK. Your IP can be completely different just by resetting the router.


On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:54:03 +0100, Saul Rennison 
 wrote:



That's why you ban IP ranges.


Kind regards,
*Saul Rennison*


On 8 April 2012 18:44, IFA Gaming  wrote:

IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get 
around that.

Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs and
everytime he connected from a diff IP.


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davis  
wrote:


I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need  to 
feel

big

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson < 
ail...@gmail.com> wrote:

The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least,  
since
they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating 
(going full

spinhack/speedhack etc).


On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z < 


spacebur...@gmail.com> wrote:

Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can 
persist

in creating alts until you block their IP range.


On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie < 
brodie7...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can't always deduce the "logic" of others, you'll go crazy 
trying ;)
On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, "Andrew de Jong" < 


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In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and
cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat?
I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't 
good for

your skills so thats why i don't get cheating.
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Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

2012-04-08 Thread Yuki 
Not even proxies are necessary. Just seems to be a case of the  
America-wide-web. Dynamic IPs are thrown at your door every time you reset  
the router here, and it's probably the same in most of Europe.


On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:53:11 +0100, IFA Gaming  wrote:

I agree there with daz. Ppl behind proxies usually have completely diff  
ip everytime they connect.



On Apr 8, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Yuki  wrote:

Depends where you are. IP ranges won't help in the slightest in the UK.  
Your IP can be completely different just by resetting the router.


On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:54:03 +0100, Saul Rennison  
 wrote:



That's why you ban IP ranges.


Kind regards,
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On 8 April 2012 18:44, IFA Gaming  wrote:

IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get around  
that.

Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs and
everytime he connected from a diff IP.


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davis   
wrote:


I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need  to feel
big

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson < 
ail...@gmail.com> wrote:


The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least,  since
they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating (going  
full

spinhack/speedhack etc).


On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z < 
spacebur...@gmail.com> wrote:

Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can  
persist

in creating alts until you block their IP range.


On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie < 
brodie7...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can't always deduce the "logic" of others, you'll go crazy trying  
;)
On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, "Andrew de Jong" <  


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In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and
cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat?
I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good  
for

your skills so thats why i don't get cheating.
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Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

2012-04-08 Thread IFA Gaming 
I agree there with daz. Ppl behind proxies usually have completely diff ip 
everytime they connect.


On Apr 8, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Yuki  wrote:

> Depends where you are. IP ranges won't help in the slightest in the UK. Your 
> IP can be completely different just by resetting the router.
> 
> On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:54:03 +0100, Saul Rennison  
> wrote:
> 
>> That's why you ban IP ranges.
>> 
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> *Saul Rennison*
>> 
>> 
>> On 8 April 2012 18:44, IFA Gaming  wrote:
>> 
>>> IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get around that.
>>> Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs and
>>> everytime he connected from a diff IP.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need  to feel
>>> big
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson < 
>>> ail...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
 The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least,  since
 they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating (going full
 spinhack/speedhack etc).
 
 
 On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z < 
 spacebur...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
> Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist
> in creating alts until you block their IP range.
> 
> 
> On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie < 
> brodie7...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Can't always deduce the "logic" of others, you'll go crazy trying ;)
>> On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, "Andrew de Jong" < 
>> k.r.o.n@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and
>>> cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat?
>>> I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for
>>> your skills so thats why i don't get cheating.
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Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

2012-04-08 Thread Jevgenij Timosenko 
If there were no cheaters we would loose our job :)

On Sun, 2012-04-08 at 09:44 -0400, Cc2iscooL wrote:
> Sadly it's not even just that age group, it's a big mix. Like I said
> before, if people can cheat, there's a good chance they will,
> especially with no consequences. 
> 
> On Apr 8, 2012 6:54 AM, "Drogen Viech" 
> wrote:
> That's because 12 year old don't care _how_ they win
> 
> 2012/4/8 Andrew de Jong :
> > In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking
> and cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat?
> > I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't
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Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

2012-04-08 Thread Yuki 
Depends where you are. IP ranges won't help in the slightest in the UK.  
Your IP can be completely different just by resetting the router.


On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:54:03 +0100, Saul Rennison  
 wrote:



That's why you ban IP ranges.


Kind regards,
*Saul Rennison*


On 8 April 2012 18:44, IFA Gaming  wrote:

IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get around  
that.

Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs and
everytime he connected from a diff IP.


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davis   
wrote:


I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need  to feel
big

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson < 
ail...@gmail.com> wrote:


The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least,  since
they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating (going full
spinhack/speedhack etc).


On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z < 
spacebur...@gmail.com> wrote:


Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist
in creating alts until you block their IP range.


On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie < 
brodie7...@gmail.com> wrote:


Can't always deduce the "logic" of others, you'll go crazy trying ;)
On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, "Andrew de Jong" < 
k.r.o.n@hotmail.com> wrote:


In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and
cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat?
I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good  
for

your skills so thats why i don't get cheating.
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Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

2012-04-08 Thread Saul Rennison 
That's why you ban IP ranges.


Kind regards,
*Saul Rennison*


On 8 April 2012 18:44, IFA Gaming  wrote:

> IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get around that.
> Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs and
> everytime he connected from a diff IP.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Albert Davis  wrote:
>
> I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need  to feel
> big
>
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson < 
> ail...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least,  since
>> they usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating (going full
>> spinhack/speedhack etc).
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z < 
>> spacebur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist
>>> in creating alts until you block their IP range.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie < 
>>> brodie7...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Can't always deduce the "logic" of others, you'll go crazy trying ;)
 On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, "Andrew de Jong" < 
 k.r.o.n@hotmail.com> wrote:

> In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and
> cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat?
> I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for
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Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

2012-04-08 Thread IFA Gaming 
IP bans work in most cases but anyone with half brain can get around that.
Had a case yesterday where person created 10+ f2p accts in 2hrs and everytime 
he connected from a diff IP.


Sent from my iPhone

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> I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need  to feel big
> 
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson  wrote:
> The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least,  since they 
> usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating (going full 
> spinhack/speedhack etc).
> 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z  wrote:
> Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist in 
> creating alts until you block their IP range.
> 
> 
> On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie  wrote:
> Can't always deduce the "logic" of others, you'll go crazy trying ;)
> 
> On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, "Andrew de Jong"  wrote:
> In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but 
> what I don't get is why you want to cheat?
> I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your 
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Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

2012-04-08 Thread Albert Davis 
I think people cheat because they have a small penis and need  to feel
big

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Emil Larsson  wrote:

> The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least,  since they
> usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating (going full
> spinhack/speedhack etc).
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z  wrote:
>
>> Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist in
>> creating alts until you block their IP range.
>>
>>
>> On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie  wrote:
>>
>>> Can't always deduce the "logic" of others, you'll go crazy trying ;)
>>> On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, "Andrew de Jong" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and
 cheating but what I don't get is why you want to cheat?
 I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for
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Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

2012-04-08 Thread Emil Larsson 
The trolling kind is usually the easiest one to spot at least,  since they
usually want to make it obvious that they are cheating (going full
spinhack/speedhack etc).

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Alexander Z  wrote:

> Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist in
> creating alts until you block their IP range.
>
>
> On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie  wrote:
>
>> Can't always deduce the "logic" of others, you'll go crazy trying ;)
>> On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, "Andrew de Jong"  wrote:
>>
>>> In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating
>>> but what I don't get is why you want to cheat?
>>> I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for
>>> your skills so thats why i don't get cheating.
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Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

2012-04-08 Thread Brandon Albertson 
Keep in mind that we can assume this isn't the group that is cheating.
On Apr 8, 2012 9:00 AM, "Alexander Z"  wrote:

> Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist in
> creating alts until you block their IP range.
>
> On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie  wrote:
>
>> Can't always deduce the "logic" of others, you'll go crazy trying ;)
>> On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, "Andrew de Jong"  wrote:
>>
>>> In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating
>>> but what I don't get is why you want to cheat?
>>> I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for
>>> your skills so thats why i don't get cheating.
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Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

2012-04-08 Thread Alexander Z 
Some people cheat on servers just to troll the staff. They can persist in
creating alts until you block their IP range.

On 8 April 2012 15:49, Brodie  wrote:

> Can't always deduce the "logic" of others, you'll go crazy trying ;)
> On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, "Andrew de Jong"  wrote:
>
>> In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating
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Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

2012-04-08 Thread Brodie 
Can't always deduce the "logic" of others, you'll go crazy trying ;)
On Apr 8, 2012 4:27 AM, "Andrew de Jong"  wrote:

> In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating
> but what I don't get is why you want to cheat?
> I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your
> skills so thats why i don't get cheating.
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Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

2012-04-08 Thread Cc2iscooL 
Sadly it's not even just that age group, it's a big mix. Like I said
before, if people can cheat, there's a good chance they will, especially
with no consequences.
On Apr 8, 2012 6:54 AM, "Drogen Viech"  wrote:

> That's because 12 year old don't care _how_ they win
>
> 2012/4/8 Andrew de Jong :
> > In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating
> but what I don't get is why you want to cheat?
> > I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for
> your skills so thats why i don't get cheating.
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Re: [hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

2012-04-08 Thread Drogen Viech 
That's because 12 year old don't care _how_ they win

2012/4/8 Andrew de Jong :
> In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but 
> what I don't get is why you want to cheat?
> I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your 
> skills so thats why i don't get cheating.
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[hlds] Why cheating isn't helping...

2012-04-08 Thread Andrew de Jong 
In vol 12 of this mailing forum was it mostly about hacking and cheating but 
what I don't get is why you want to cheat?
I mean I know you want to win but cheating and hacking isn't good for your 
skills so thats why i don't get cheating.
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