[hlds_linux] VAC or C-D
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] So, the discussion has to go on ;-) I think it is more difficult for the admins to decide which AC technology they should use on their servers, if VALVe won't publish a list of detected cheats. We cannot compare... But if you don't like to give us that list, it would be fair, if you could tell us, when VAC detects more cheats than C-D blocks. The decision is not easy for me. Maybe the members of this list can help me getting a favorite :-) cheers Rouven -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] rcon hacking w/out being logged into server?
--Original Message- -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Florian -Zschocke -Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 2:43 AM -To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] rcon hacking w/out being logged into server? - - -Bryan R. Yablonski wrote: - I suggest always having a firewall in front of your server. Even simple - software firewalls are enough to thwart the actions of fools that try to - hack! - -Ah, right, the one-saves-all firewall answer. Brilliant idea. -Block the hlds port and nobody will be able to hack your rcon. -Not that it would matter anymore since nobody is able to connect -to your server anymore, either. - - Trust me if a real hacker set their sights on your server you - will certainly loose! - -Mhm, and a firewall helps sooo much, especially when it is a -simple software firewall set up by someone knowing jack about -firewalls. - -Florian. I was going to leave that one alone, but florian is absolutely correct. The only way a firewall would help in this situation, is if rcon was on a different port than the actual server, and then you used the firewall to limit access to that port to only certain IPs. And even that will only get you a limited amount of extra security. alas, rcon is not on a different port. Like florian said, a firewall isnt a one saves all solution. kev ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC or C-D
C-D detects more cheats than VAC and the development team are working on the ones that arent. No prizes for guessing what I use. - Original Message - From: Rouven [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:28 PM Subject: [hlds_linux] VAC or C-D This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] So, the discussion has to go on ;-) I think it is more difficult for the admins to decide which AC technology they should use on their servers, if VALVe won't publish a list of detected cheats. We cannot compare... But if you don't like to give us that list, it would be fair, if you could tell us, when VAC detects more cheats than C-D blocks. The decision is not easy for me. Maybe the members of this list can help me getting a favorite :-) cheers Rouven -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] rcon hacking w/out being logged into server?
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Eric (Deacon) wrote: So this is normal? Wow. I'm glad I have rcon disabled. You...have rcon disabled?? if the rcon_password is empty you cant utilize rcon commands from clients or using any other udp connection... if i recall correctly One other way is to use a password generator.. and generate like a 32 or 64 chars password... /Bjorn If there's no such thing as a stupid question, what is this? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC or C-D
I switched to C-D and am VERY happy :) - Original Message - From: Mike Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] VAC or C-D C-D detects more cheats than VAC and the development team are working on the ones that arent. No prizes for guessing what I use. - Original Message - From: Rouven [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:28 PM Subject: [hlds_linux] VAC or C-D This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] So, the discussion has to go on ;-) I think it is more difficult for the admins to decide which AC technology they should use on their servers, if VALVe won't publish a list of detected cheats. We cannot compare... But if you don't like to give us that list, it would be fair, if you could tell us, when VAC detects more cheats than C-D blocks. The decision is not easy for me. Maybe the members of this list can help me getting a favorite :-) cheers Rouven -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] VAC or C-D
My servers all went CD req today after about a week of optional. Servers are pinging better due to the lower load of no VAC. Finally feel like I have a level playing field on my servers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Justin Mitchell Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 8:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] VAC or C-D I switched to C-D and am VERY happy :) - Original Message - From: Mike Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] VAC or C-D C-D detects more cheats than VAC and the development team are working on the ones that arent. No prizes for guessing what I use. - Original Message - From: Rouven [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:28 PM Subject: [hlds_linux] VAC or C-D This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] So, the discussion has to go on ;-) I think it is more difficult for the admins to decide which AC technology they should use on their servers, if VALVe won't publish a list of detected cheats. We cannot compare... But if you don't like to give us that list, it would be fair, if you could tell us, when VAC detects more cheats than C-D blocks. The decision is not easy for me. Maybe the members of this list can help me getting a favorite :-) cheers Rouven -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC or C-D
IIRC C-D doesn't detect specific cheats, but blocks them. - PiTaGoRaS - - Original Message - From: Mike Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] VAC or C-D C-D detects more cheats than VAC and the development team are working on the ones that arent. No prizes for guessing what I use. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [good] RE: [hlds_linux] VAC or C-D
Skel is working on a plugin that allows users to connect in optional mode until they achieve a definable number of kills and/or kill/death ratio. If they hit the limit(s), they'll be booted to the console with a message saying that to continue playing there, they'll need to install C-D and have it running the next time they connect. Keeps it all fun :) PS Contact info is available at www.modkillers.com, and yes, it is in the same general area as Mediator. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] VAC or C-D (off topic)
Yeaaah. I put it on there for a couple days to try it out and now no one will let me take it off :(. I'm sick of it! You can see it here - http://amxmod.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5620 Or play it at: 64.5.44.97:27015 You're sick of it? I think it rocks! :) It's a great way to freshen up CS when you just feel like messing around. It's really interesting, actually, in that it attracts high-level players that normally don't pub much at the same time as lower level scrubs. It's fun being one of the better players ;) -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Best team-balancing plugin/mod/addon for CS
What's the best team-balancing solution for CS? The switch the last player to join one is such a brain-dead approach it might as well not be turned on Many people are going to suggest PTB, but it's a pain in the ass. It's very intrusive, and it makes very illogical decisions sometimes. The real answer is a metamod/admin_mod/AMX plugin that does what tfc_autoteam (was that the cvar?) does: forces the user to auto-team, which completely negates any intentional stacking and/or joining the easier team. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] VAC or C-D
warcraft3 plugin? Lol Does that amuse you? :) -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] VAC or C-D (off topic)
lol yeah. I completely ruins my matching skills. I can't go back and forth between the two and be decent. I think I'm done with the mediator plugin too. Works well! I'll release it on amxmod.net after I get a few people to test it :) Justin (aka JustinHoMi aka Skel.MoD :)) - Original Message - From: Eric (Deacon) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:08 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] VAC or C-D (off topic) Yeaaah. I put it on there for a couple days to try it out and now no one will let me take it off :(. I'm sick of it! You can see it here - http://amxmod.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5620 Or play it at: 64.5.44.97:27015 You're sick of it? I think it rocks! :) It's a great way to freshen up CS when you just feel like messing around. It's really interesting, actually, in that it attracts high-level players that normally don't pub much at the same time as lower level scrubs. It's fun being one of the better players ;) -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Got one!
Hi, I see no difference, the log has always looked like this for me :/ Feb 27 14:51:57 games logger: L 02/27/2003 - 14:51:57: Secure: shit12662700541 was detected cheating and dropped from the server. For all those that want to know what the log line looks like. Cheers, James Mclean vOrTeX GamingSA.com Lead Admin ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Got one!
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 02:08:47PM +1030, vOrTeX wrote: Hi, I see no difference, the log has always looked like this for me :/ Feb 27 14:51:57 games logger: L 02/27/2003 - 14:51:57: Secure: shit12662700541 was detected cheating and dropped from the server. For all those that want to know what the log line looks like. I don't think its changed, someone asked so I posted a fresh one. -- James. Cheers, James Mclean vOrTeX GamingSA.com Lead Admin ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] VAC or C-D (off topic)
Thus spaketh [EMAIL PROTECTED] on : : You're sick of it? I think it rocks! :) It's a great way to : freshen up CS when you just feel like messing around. It's : really interesting, actually, in that it attracts high-level : players that normally don't pub much at the same time as lower : level scrubs. It's fun being one of the better players ;) I had it on full time on my server with persistent XP for a couple weeks. Ended up alienating a lot of my regs who are decent players, but were getting spanked by the kids spending hours at a time gaining levels. I've since moved it to weekends only with no persistent XP. Seems to even the field a bit, and keep everyone happy. -- Tim ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] rcon hacking w/out being logged into server?
Bryan R. Yablonski wrote: Damn, its actually over but I'll reply nevertheless. Let's get serious here why don't we. I wasn't joking. The person asking the original question is looking for a way to stop peeps from attemting to crack their rcon password. If you have any other way to stop a person from attemting to crack your rcon password we'd all like to hear it. As has been mentioned, such protection is already build into HLDS. From your statements I take it you are suggesting no firewall. Yup. No firewall is like building a house without a front door. If you really want to carry on with this discussion I'd like to know what FW background you have, because this statement makes me think yo, I installed ZoneAlarm, that was real easy. When you notice a fool attempting to crack your rcon password you can simply block their IP address. Yes, you can. You can use a firewall to block access to the HLDS port from this specific IP. You then risk that more than this one person cannot access your HLDS since it might be a dynamic IP. That also means that the attacker might simply change IPs and carry on merrily. And last, when will you notice a fools attempting to crack your rcon password? Do you sit in front of your server watching the console 24 hours? The HLDS rcon protection will detect such an attempt immediately. You will probably detect it when it is already too late. In response to your scepticism, nobody in their right mind is going to block their halflife UDP port to prevent rcon access and a pro is going to get the password by sniffing traffic to your server. Correct. Nobody in their right mind would. I suppose what you are talking about is blocking access from a specific IP because blocking access in general would render your HLDS inaccessible and thus useless. I have stated above why blocking one specific IP isn't as safe as you might think. That's why a firewall isn't the correct solution IMHO. Lastly, the only way the person is going to learn about firewalls is to get one, read the manual and try it out. It's not freaking rocket science. It may not be rocket science, but it's not as easy as clickety click some .exe and think that all your problems are solved now. In general, a firewall by itself on one computer is completely useless. From a professional point of view, any firewall by itself is useless. It has to be part of a whole security concept with a well-defined security *policy*. Firewalls are used to protect *networks*, not computers. On one single server you either allow access to a port or you don't. If you don't then don't have a service running at that port. If you do then the weak point is the application that serves this port and a firewall doesn't help. Don't get mw wrong, I am not saying that firewalls in general are useless. But their protection is overrated, nowadays the answer to all network security problems seems to be a firewall, thus creating a dangerous false sense of security. I have a firewall on my router at home. It protects the network behind the router because I have services running between the machines I dont want to accessed from the Inet. I have a firewall running at work, protecting a network of servers and workstations that need to run services between each other that should not be accessed from the outside or only from trusted hosts. You may well use a FW to block access to a port from a specific IP, no objection. Just don't think that this will give you a lasting security. The attacker may simply use a different IP or spoof his IP and you are back to step one. The usual thing to do would be to allow access from a specific IP which you control, not block it. Florian. -- Want to produce professional emails and Usenet postings? http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] VAC or C-D
Slight decrease in traffic, but all the regulars are still there. I think as word spreads about the All New C-D (tm) numbers will pick up again. Running C-D client side is less hassle than putting up with cheats ruining your fun. I might look into running a mediator if one comes out that doesn't require logd, statsme or amxmod. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of HLDS List Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] VAC or C-D So what's the preferred configuration? C-D + HLGuard or C-D alone? I love HLGuard's wallhack block, but hate the extra drain on my servers. If C-D is an all-in-one tool, that'd be fantastic! Have you noticed any decrease in traffic by running your server in Insecure mode? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
