Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I bet Valve have been wanting to figure out a way to kill of HL1/CS 1.6 for ages. I guess they worked out how. :) On 3/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bryan, hi folks. So did we! We have shutdown all CounterStrike1.6 servers so far until valve roll back or gives administrator an option to disable ANY advertisement serverside (so client dont see any advertisement when on their servers!). Valve has no costs at all to run our servers. In fact they try to make money with our knowledge, our infrastructure and our machines - our money! For a hoster its a nono to place advertisments for competitors but valve tries to force them to do so. any promises of valve are worthless if they would state not to do so. they have thrown away our trust in them and we will not believe anything of valve but things the DO. words are patient - we are not. And to all hosters: shut down your cs1.6 servers, place a statement on your page why. Tell your customers that valve is responsible and they may consult THEM. Ofcourse that will cause to pay back some money to the customers but if we dont do it now, then valve will come away with this bad attitude. Dont let them get away with this!!! Simon -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bryan Gesendet: Samstag, 10. März 2007 06:31 An: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] We have made that decision, our CS 1.6 server is down for good. In game advertising is wrong. Should they push it to CSS then we will shut that server down as well. Crazy_One David Williams wrote: if you read tyhe TOS it states that valve can change of modify them without notice and at will. Also you have no case to return the game for an excahnge as youare outside (in th UK atleast) the maximum time you are allowed to do so (this is 30 days). You could try complaining to valve but considering the first page of this you'd have a job getting what you want. At the end of the day there is nothing we can do short of shutting down the servers to whatever period in time we choose. It's just i have a feeling that considering there is a large amount of money involved on our end i don't think that will happen. We'll just have to put up and shut up and deal with the cards we have been dealt. Thomas S. Crum - AAA Web Solution wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- It would clearly be a breach of implied contract. Any judge understands paid for software is different than ad supported software and furthermore the software was initially purchased and used without ads. Now the deal was changed without your agreement. Have you contacted Valve for a refund of your money, since you no longer agree with the updated terms of use? I would start there. A tweak here or there can be made w/in a TOS, but I would argue this is a material change and a breach of contract if they don't refund your money. Under deposition I would determine if this wasn't planned even years before. Now we get into that whole tort thing that gets you punitive damages... Big$. lol Furthermore, does it clearly state that the ads are part of Valve and not the server itself that you are playing on? If not, then as a server owner I want to share in the revenue. If they won't give you a refund, find some attorney. This would definitely fall into class action status. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Parker Lewis Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads First my personal statement on the new ads: I hate them. Mostly the annoying topleft banner (did ya recently played deathmatch/gungame? A 3 seconds delayed spawning makes this ad really disturbing..). The question I have is: Is it legal? You can apply it on everything: buying something ad-free, which is unstoppable selfupdating to another ad-version, is against my understanding of a contract of sell. But probably I'm right and we have the right to bring the game back receiving the money - but we wont do it ;). As a customer of HL:CS Im feeling a little bit twit by Valve. But again, I could exchange the game :). If someone starts some action against this (e.g. a day shutting down / password protecting all of our servers), I woul thankful participate. Just to let out my disaffection. And to let out some tears.. Moreover I can't do more, as activating a bunch of plugins, anti-advertising the Valve ads. I know, this is really childish. But what to do else? Taking Valve to court? :) --- Frederick P [EMAIL PROTECTED][4] schrieb: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads
RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
First my personal statement on the new ads: I hate them. Mostly the annoying topleft banner (did ya recently played deathmatch/gungame? A 3 seconds delayed spawning makes this ad really disturbing..). The question I have is: Is it legal? You can apply it on everything: buying something ad-free, which is unstoppable selfupdating to another ad-version, is against my understanding of a contract of sell. But probably I'm right and we have the right to bring the game back receiving the money - but we wont do it ;). As a customer of HL:CS Im feeling a little bit twit by Valve. But again, I could exchange the game :). If someone starts some action against this (e.g. a day shutting down / password protecting all of our servers), I woul thankful participate. Just to let out my disaffection. And to let out some tears.. Moreover I can't do more, as activating a bunch of plugins, anti-advertising the Valve ads. I know, this is really childish. But what to do else? Taking Valve to court? :) --- Frederick P [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads. People paid for the product, they deserve having a product without Ads. It makes more sense for a Free version of CS 1.6 to be released that has Ad support and also giving an option for people to buy the game which will remove the Ads. This is truly annoying. Valve only has vac and authentication servers, Valve isn't the company that hosts the actual game servers for people to play on. I don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it is a marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source. Feedback? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- It would clearly be a breach of implied contract. Any judge understands paid for software is different than ad supported software and furthermore the software was initially purchased and used without ads. Now the deal was changed without your agreement. Have you contacted Valve for a refund of your money, since you no longer agree with the updated terms of use? I would start there. A tweak here or there can be made w/in a TOS, but I would argue this is a material change and a breach of contract if they don't refund your money. Under deposition I would determine if this wasn't planned even years before. Now we get into that whole tort thing that gets you punitive damages... Big$. lol Furthermore, does it clearly state that the ads are part of Valve and not the server itself that you are playing on? If not, then as a server owner I want to share in the revenue. If they won't give you a refund, find some attorney. This would definitely fall into class action status. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Parker Lewis Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:37 PM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads First my personal statement on the new ads: I hate them. Mostly the annoying topleft banner (did ya recently played deathmatch/gungame? A 3 seconds delayed spawning makes this ad really disturbing..). The question I have is: Is it legal? You can apply it on everything: buying something ad-free, which is unstoppable selfupdating to another ad-version, is against my understanding of a contract of sell. But probably I'm right and we have the right to bring the game back receiving the money - but we wont do it ;). As a customer of HL:CS Im feeling a little bit twit by Valve. But again, I could exchange the game :). If someone starts some action against this (e.g. a day shutting down / password protecting all of our servers), I woul thankful participate. Just to let out my disaffection. And to let out some tears.. Moreover I can't do more, as activating a bunch of plugins, anti-advertising the Valve ads. I know, this is really childish. But what to do else? Taking Valve to court? :) --- Frederick P [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads. People paid for the product, they deserve having a product without Ads. It makes more sense for a Free version of CS 1.6 to be released that has Ad support and also giving an option for people to buy the game which will remove the Ads. This is truly annoying. Valve only has vac and authentication servers, Valve isn't the company that hosts the actual game servers for people to play on. I don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it is a marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source. Feedback? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- [ smime.p7s of type application/x-pkcs7-signature deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
if you read tyhe TOS it states that valve can change of modify them without notice and at will. Also you have no case to return the game for an excahnge as youare outside (in th UK atleast) the maximum time you are allowed to do so (this is 30 days). You could try complaining to valve but considering the first page of this you'd have a job getting what you want. At the end of the day there is nothing we can do short of shutting down the servers to whatever period in time we choose. It's just i have a feeling that considering there is a large amount of money involved on our end i don't think that will happen. We'll just have to put up and shut up and deal with the cards we have been dealt. Thomas S. Crum - AAA Web Solution wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- It would clearly be a breach of implied contract. Any judge understands paid for software is different than ad supported software and furthermore the software was initially purchased and used without ads. Now the deal was changed without your agreement. Have you contacted Valve for a refund of your money, since you no longer agree with the updated terms of use? I would start there. A tweak here or there can be made w/in a TOS, but I would argue this is a material change and a breach of contract if they don't refund your money. Under deposition I would determine if this wasn't planned even years before. Now we get into that whole tort thing that gets you punitive damages... Big$. lol Furthermore, does it clearly state that the ads are part of Valve and not the server itself that you are playing on? If not, then as a server owner I want to share in the revenue. If they won't give you a refund, find some attorney. This would definitely fall into class action status. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Parker Lewis Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:37 PM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads First my personal statement on the new ads: I hate them. Mostly the annoying topleft banner (did ya recently played deathmatch/gungame? A 3 seconds delayed spawning makes this ad really disturbing..). The question I have is: Is it legal? You can apply it on everything: buying something ad-free, which is unstoppable selfupdating to another ad-version, is against my understanding of a contract of sell. But probably I'm right and we have the right to bring the game back receiving the money - but we wont do it ;). As a customer of HL:CS Im feeling a little bit twit by Valve. But again, I could exchange the game :). If someone starts some action against this (e.g. a day shutting down / password protecting all of our servers), I woul thankful participate. Just to let out my disaffection. And to let out some tears.. Moreover I can't do more, as activating a bunch of plugins, anti-advertising the Valve ads. I know, this is really childish. But what to do else? Taking Valve to court? :) --- Frederick P [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads. People paid for the product, they deserve having a product without Ads. It makes more sense for a Free version of CS 1.6 to be released that has Ad support and also giving an option for people to buy the game which will remove the Ads. This is truly annoying. Valve only has vac and authentication servers, Valve isn't the company that hosts the actual game servers for people to play on. I don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it is a marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source. Feedback? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- [ smime.p7s of type application/x-pkcs7-signature deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
[ Converted text/html to text/plain ] We have made that decision, our CS 1.6 server is down for good. In game advertising is wrong. Should they push it to CSS then we will shut that server down as well. Crazy_One David Williams wrote: if you read tyhe TOS it states that valve can change of modify them without notice and at will. Also you have no case to return the game for an excahnge as youare outside (in th UK atleast) the maximum time you are allowed to do so (this is 30 days). You could try complaining to valve but considering the first page of this you'd have a job getting what you want. At the end of the day there is nothing we can do short of shutting down the servers to whatever period in time we choose. It's just i have a feeling that considering there is a large amount of money involved on our end i don't think that will happen. We'll just have to put up and shut up and deal with the cards we have been dealt. Thomas S. Crum - AAA Web Solution wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- It would clearly be a breach of implied contract. Any judge understands paid for software is different than ad supported software and furthermore the software was initially purchased and used without ads. Now the deal was changed without your agreement. Have you contacted Valve for a refund of your money, since you no longer agree with the updated terms of use? I would start there. A tweak here or there can be made w/in a TOS, but I would argue this is a material change and a breach of contract if they don't refund your money. Under deposition I would determine if this wasn't planned even years before. Now we get into that whole tort thing that gets you punitive damages... Big$. lol Furthermore, does it clearly state that the ads are part of Valve and not the server itself that you are playing on? If not, then as a server owner I want to share in the revenue. If they won't give you a refund, find some attorney. This would definitely fall into class action status. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Parker Lewis Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads First my personal statement on the new ads: I hate them. Mostly the annoying topleft banner (did ya recently played deathmatch/gungame? A 3 seconds delayed spawning makes this ad really disturbing..). The question I have is: Is it legal? You can apply it on everything: buying something ad-free, which is unstoppable selfupdating to another ad-version, is against my understanding of a contract of sell. But probably I'm right and we have the right to bring the game back receiving the money - but we wont do it ;). As a customer of HL:CS Im feeling a little bit twit by Valve. But again, I could exchange the game :). If someone starts some action against this (e.g. a day shutting down / password protecting all of our servers), I woul thankful participate. Just to let out my disaffection. And to let out some tears.. Moreover I can't do more, as activating a bunch of plugins, anti-advertising the Valve ads. I know, this is really childish. But what to do else? Taking Valve to court? :) --- Frederick P [EMAIL PROTECTED][4] schrieb: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads. People paid for the product, they deserve having a product without Ads. It makes more sense for a Free version of CS 1.6 to be released that has Ad support and also giving an option for people to buy the game which will remove the Ads. This is truly annoying. Valve only has vac and authentication servers, Valve isn't the company that hosts the actual game servers for people to play on. I don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it is a marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source. Feedback? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[5] ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de[6] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[7] -- [ smime.p7s of type application/x-pkcs7-signature deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[8] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[9
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] On 3/6/07, Andrew Forsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erm, tough! :-) You could always put your own ads on the server to finance your hardware and connection. Actually, you can't. Remember a while back when a company was putting subway ads into CS:S servers? Valve said it was against the EULA and they had to stop. If you're advertising your server/website they probably won't say much, but if you're putting sponsored ads for products, they want to reserve the rights to be the only ones doing that. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] we could possibly also use non-vac secured servers (face it vac is crap) and use a 3rd party anti-cheat plugin that bans cheaters there and then (how an anti-cheat system normally works) and allow players who have a cracked version of the game to play WITHOUT adds on an older server. I also very much object to my own clan funded server and bandwidth being used WITHOUT my permission for someone else's ads (I do not sell this service and am entirely funded by donations - valve are you going to donate to our server then?) and I am also under the impression that there is a questionable legality here - are there any readers of this list who have some knowledge of legal matters and could advise us? Valve/Alfred/anyone else - we are your biggest asset - we host your game and without us you wouldn't sell games so why do you do things like this? We also are all players - do you hear our voice? Is there ONE server admin who likes this idea? I doubt it... N From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:04:00 -0700 -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] On 3/6/07, Andrew Forsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Erm, tough! :-) You could always put your own ads on the server to finance your hardware and connection. Actually, you can't. Remember a while back when a company was putting subway ads into CS:S servers? Valve said it was against the EULA and they had to stop. If you're advertising your server/website they probably won't say much, but if you're putting sponsored ads for products, they want to reserve the rights to be the only ones doing that. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _ Check out some new online services at Windows Live Ideas—so new they haven’t even been officially released yet. http://ideas.live.com -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
We are their most valuable asset, but they ignore our opinion about ads and sixty-four bits... (Don't forget they don't make any money off us, letting us earn money for hosting instead.) I advise you to get over it... they gamble on the probability that we will never manage to organize a global strike and turn off absolutely all servers until our demands are met. I don't know if the ads wander via the server... if they do, set up a firewall and deny access to the servers hosting the ad textures. However, I think the clients download the ads directly from the servers, not eating up your bandwidth. Easiest way out? Prove Valve's decision makers wrong, decide on a date and shut down as many CS servers as possible in protest. My personal opinion: ads on the scoreboard and in spectator camera are alright, but the big posters on the walls are just too much. Why the hell should I think about buying Half-Life Episode Two when I gotta blow up a few crates in some Arabic town? I hope the poster idea never hits CS: Source. ~~ Ondra Nic Strix wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] we could possibly also use non-vac secured servers (face it vac is crap) and use a 3rd party anti-cheat plugin that bans cheaters there and then (how an anti-cheat system normally works) and allow players who have a cracked version of the game to play WITHOUT adds on an older server. I also very much object to my own clan funded server and bandwidth being used WITHOUT my permission for someone else's ads (I do not sell this service and am entirely funded by donations - valve are you going to donate to our server then?) and I am also under the impression that there is a questionable legality here - are there any readers of this list who have some knowledge of legal matters and could advise us? Valve/Alfred/anyone else - we are your biggest asset - we host your game and without us you wouldn't sell games so why do you do things like this? We also are all players - do you hear our voice? Is there ONE server admin who likes this idea? I doubt it... N ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Not until it hits $9.99. On 3/7/07, Ondřej Hošek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are their most valuable asset, but they ignore our opinion about ads and sixty-four bits... (Don't forget they don't make any money off us, letting us earn money for hosting instead.) I advise you to get over it... they gamble on the probability that we will never manage to organize a global strike and turn off absolutely all servers until our demands are met. I don't know if the ads wander via the server... if they do, set up a firewall and deny access to the servers hosting the ad textures. However, I think the clients download the ads directly from the servers, not eating up your bandwidth. Easiest way out? Prove Valve's decision makers wrong, decide on a date and shut down as many CS servers as possible in protest. My personal opinion: ads on the scoreboard and in spectator camera are alright, but the big posters on the walls are just too much. Why the hell should I think about buying Half-Life Episode Two when I gotta blow up a few crates in some Arabic town? I hope the poster idea never hits CS: Source. ~~ Ondra Nic Strix wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] we could possibly also use non-vac secured servers (face it vac is crap) and use a 3rd party anti-cheat plugin that bans cheaters there and then (how an anti-cheat system normally works) and allow players who have a cracked version of the game to play WITHOUT adds on an older server. I also very much object to my own clan funded server and bandwidth being used WITHOUT my permission for someone else's ads (I do not sell this service and am entirely funded by donations - valve are you going to donate to our server then?) and I am also under the impression that there is a questionable legality here - are there any readers of this list who have some knowledge of legal matters and could advise us? Valve/Alfred/anyone else - we are your biggest asset - we host your game and without us you wouldn't sell games so why do you do things like this? We also are all players - do you hear our voice? Is there ONE server admin who likes this idea? I doubt it... N ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] thing is its unsupported by Valve so it shouldnt even be $9.99 i understand they cant make it free becouse they'll just get flooded with emails about cheats etc. but with CZ and Source you can play offline against bots. what doe's CS have ? no bots (unless u go 3rd party) so its us who keep people playing the game and in some cases buying it. so why dont valve give summit back to us. On 07/03/07, Cc2iscooL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Not until it hits $9.99. On 3/7/07, Ondřej Hošek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are their most valuable asset, but they ignore our opinion about ads and sixty-four bits... (Don't forget they don't make any money off us, letting us earn money for hosting instead.) I advise you to get over it... they gamble on the probability that we will never manage to organize a global strike and turn off absolutely all servers until our demands are met. I don't know if the ads wander via the server... if they do, set up a firewall and deny access to the servers hosting the ad textures. However, I think the clients download the ads directly from the servers, not eating up your bandwidth. Easiest way out? Prove Valve's decision makers wrong, decide on a date and shut down as many CS servers as possible in protest. My personal opinion: ads on the scoreboard and in spectator camera are alright, but the big posters on the walls are just too much. Why the hell should I think about buying Half-Life Episode Two when I gotta blow up a few crates in some Arabic town? I hope the poster idea never hits CS: Source. ~~ Ondra Nic Strix wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] we could possibly also use non-vac secured servers (face it vac is crap) and use a 3rd party anti-cheat plugin that bans cheaters there and then (how an anti-cheat system normally works) and allow players who have a cracked version of the game to play WITHOUT adds on an older server. I also very much object to my own clan funded server and bandwidth being used WITHOUT my permission for someone else's ads (I do not sell this service and am entirely funded by donations - valve are you going to donate to our server then?) and I am also under the impression that there is a questionable legality here - are there any readers of this list who have some knowledge of legal matters and could advise us? Valve/Alfred/anyone else - we are your biggest asset - we host your game and without us you wouldn't sell games so why do you do things like this? We also are all players - do you hear our voice? Is there ONE server admin who likes this idea? I doubt it... N ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
- Original Message - From: LDuke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually, you can't. Remember a while back when a company was putting subway ads into CS:S servers? Valve said it was against the EULA and they had to stop. If you're advertising your server/website they probably won't say much, but if you're putting sponsored ads for products, they want to reserve the rights to be the only ones doing that. -- Hmmm, I don't remember that. What about cases like Mani's Admin Plugin's advertising? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
Read the Valve EULA. You are not allowed to use any part of their software, for any kind of commercial gain. I'm no lawyer, but the way I read it, it technically even renders GSP's hosting their games 'illegal' though, as they are making money by hosting the Valve server-software. Anyway, mani doesn't make any money by the ads in there, so I'd say that's not against the EULA. --- Regime http://www.livebythegun.com/ Hmmm, I don't remember that. What about cases like Mani's Admin Plugin's advertising? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
NAh thats quiet easy to get around. You just provide the space for the game to be hosted. - Original Message - From: Regime [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads Read the Valve EULA. You are not allowed to use any part of their software, for any kind of commercial gain. I'm no lawyer, but the way I read it, it technically even renders GSP's hosting their games 'illegal' though, as they are making money by hosting the Valve server-software. Anyway, mani doesn't make any money by the ads in there, so I'd say that's not against the EULA. --- Regime http://www.livebythegun.com/ Hmmm, I don't remember that. What about cases like Mani's Admin Plugin's advertising? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] here's one for you VALVE instead of wast'ing time with stupid money making tips how about u fix the BUGS ff's. in the last 10 mins ive been booted 15 times. no steam login invalid server version steam id not validated its beyond a fookin joke :@ On 07/03/07, Saint K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NAh thats quiet easy to get around. You just provide the space for the game to be hosted. - Original Message - From: Regime [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads Read the Valve EULA. You are not allowed to use any part of their software, for any kind of commercial gain. I'm no lawyer, but the way I read it, it technically even renders GSP's hosting their games 'illegal' though, as they are making money by hosting the Valve server-software. Anyway, mani doesn't make any money by the ads in there, so I'd say that's not against the EULA. --- Regime http://www.livebythegun.com/ Hmmm, I don't remember that. What about cases like Mani's Admin Plugin's advertising? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Valves EULA applies if it doesnt go over a law in the country where the software is used. However, there is no law in any country, as far as i know, that allows other company software to be used for commercial purposes by other companies if the company policies which provide the software, strictly deny it. There is a law in Australia which forbids in-game adds so 1.6 does not have any advertisements in there. Battlefiend 2142 is also sold withoit adds because they are illegal there in games. I havent read the EULA myself but what does it say about server renting (srcds is free) by a company who gets the software for free and then rents it on their servers for their customers. I assume this is allowed ? -ics Regime kirjoitti: Read the Valve EULA. You are not allowed to use any part of their software, for any kind of commercial gain. I'm no lawyer, but the way I read it, it technically even renders GSP's hosting their games 'illegal' though, as they are making money by hosting the Valve server-software. Anyway, mani doesn't make any money by the ads in there, so I'd say that's not against the EULA. --- Regime http://www.livebythegun.com/ Hmmm, I don't remember that. What about cases like Mani's Admin Plugin's advertising? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
/rant Quite frankly, I am sick and tired of hearing people whine about thi_. Don't get me wrong: I am all against in-game advertisements. I feel that they detract from the gameplay experience and the congruity of the environment, and are generally just a cheap trick to cash in on a popular game. But quite equally, I am all against people who will whine and raise bloody hell about boycotts and such, and promptly return to playing the damn game in half an hour. If you want a boycott, put your money where your mouth is and *do it*. Don't give me lame excuses about how everybody plays it, or I'm in CAL and I can't quit, or such. You're no more than a childish bunch of brats until I see you stand up like real men for what you believe in. As of now, I can only conclude that you're just doing this because you like attention. And by you, I mean the vast mass of bitching CS players out there. So nothing personal. -John Sheu ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Re: CS: Source having ads: On 08/03/2007, at 6:06 AM, Cc2iscooL wrote: Not until it hits $9.99. My point exactly. CS 1.6 is an old game that is costing them a lot more money to run than they're making out of it. You may be running a server for love or profit, or both. Valve is a business too, and has responsibilities to the shareholders to remain profitable. That the content servers and network is still running AND being upgraded all the time is to their credit. No doubt many of their staff still play 1.6 for fun as well. On the other hand, you can count the number of EA's CNC games with current lobby systems running on the fingers of no hands. They made their money and then dump the project in the hands of the community, or third parties like IGN, and if nobody else picks up the ball, well, tough shit. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
Sorry, couldn't resist this time. Am Mar 7, 2007 um 9:52 PM schrieb John Sheu: /rant Quite frankly, I am sick and tired of hearing people whine about thi_. Don't get me wrong: I am all against in-game advertisements. I feel that they detract from the gameplay experience and the congruity of the environment, and are generally just a cheap trick to cash in on a popular game. Quite frankly, I am sick and tired of hearing people whine about the weenies. And by you, I mean the vast mass of bitching bigheaded University of Texas CS players out there. So nothing personal. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Dont you think supporting a game once its released has been pre-calculated in the bugets? And dont you think, if it wasnt for CS origionally, they'd never sell so much hl1 copies? And dont you think because of that, way more people also bought HL2 and CSS? And dont you think in the past, CS already has been a great testing platform for VALVe?(steam migration anyone?) And what you think about the news being thrown in ur face everytime when a new VALVe product is launched already is enough free advertisement for them? - Original Message - From: Andrew Forsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads Re: CS: Source having ads: On 08/03/2007, at 6:06 AM, Cc2iscooL wrote: Not until it hits $9.99. My point exactly. CS 1.6 is an old game that is costing them a lot more money to run than they're making out of it. You may be running a server for love or profit, or both. Valve is a business too, and has responsibilities to the shareholders to remain profitable. That the content servers and network is still running AND being upgraded all the time is to their credit. No doubt many of their staff still play 1.6 for fun as well. On the other hand, you can count the number of EA's CNC games with current lobby systems running on the fingers of no hands. They made their money and then dump the project in the hands of the community, or third parties like IGN, and if nobody else picks up the ball, well, tough shit. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
On Wednesday 07 March 2007 3:20 pm, Falk Husemann wrote: And by you, I mean the vast mass of bitching bigheaded University of Texas CS players out there. So nothing personal. What makes you think I play CS anymore? I don't. -John Sheu ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
On 08/03/2007, at 10:25 AM, Saint K. wrote: Dont you think supporting a game once its released has been pre- calculated in the bugets? When the budget has expired do you want to see support for the game cease completely? or could you put up with a few small ads here and there? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- Why not turn the source code over to the community that supported it in the first place. That is if this is truly an intellectual debate speaking to what is best for everyone and not just a sponging revenue off a deprecated product discussion. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Forsberg Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 3:53 PM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads On 08/03/2007, at 10:25 AM, Saint K. wrote: Dont you think supporting a game once its released has been pre- calculated in the bugets? When the budget has expired do you want to see support for the game cease completely? or could you put up with a few small ads here and there? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- [ smime.p7s of type application/x-pkcs7-signature deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
Just remember its $0.50 a minute on your soap box :) Seriously though you are right to a large extent, until people stick to their guns and say NO MORE CS then it will go on. Crazy_One John Sheu wrote: /rant Quite frankly, I am sick and tired of hearing people whine about thi_. Don't get me wrong: I am all against in-game advertisements. I feel that they detract from the gameplay experience and the congruity of the environment, and are generally just a cheap trick to cash in on a popular game. But quite equally, I am all against people who will whine and raise bloody hell about boycotts and such, and promptly return to playing the damn game in half an hour. If you want a boycott, put your money where your mouth is and *do it*. Don't give me lame excuses about how everybody plays it, or I'm in CAL and I can't quit, or such. You're no more than a childish bunch of brats until I see you stand up like real men for what you believe in. As of now, I can only conclude that you're just doing this because you like attention. And by you, I mean the vast mass of bitching CS players out there. So nothing personal. -John Sheu ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
In-game adds are not added into game because of money problems. Valve has not made any mentions about funding problems and there should not be any. Game has paid itself back many times already so nothing justifies the adverts in-game. Game itself doesnt cost that much to run as you think. They only said that in-game adds are experiment and a way to make new revenue since 1.6 is the most popular FPS-game in the world and advertisers would be interested to have new way to reach new customers. Of course, all of this is marketing propaganda. If 1.6 would cost too much to maintain, adds would have come sooner. Beta-stage was there to collect players opinions about adds. Some say they dont bother, some say they do. I'd say that every distraction in the game is annoying. There isnt much ways to give feedback. 1 player says adds are ok to right persons ear and it makes public opinion - adds are ok. Fine, most people submit to this as they dont care or they have to submit to be able to play games they like. If this goes through fine, id say other companies will add advertisements to their NEW games - including Valve to their future games. I already heard a rumour that there will be changeable adds in HL2 Episode 2. Nothing justifies adding advertisement into OLD games which people PAID already ages ago and got them WITHOUT ADVERTISEMENT. If this would be new game, lets say HL2 Episode 2, it would be totally different thing. People would not have to buy the game if they knew that it will have adds, however, most people dont care like i said and would buy the game anyway. Players of 1.6 feel somewhat betrayed because of the adds. I would be pissed if i would own 1.6 and have adds added into it later - when before i would have had it without adds. If these ever spread to CS:Source, ill be sure to quit playing it instantly. -ics Andrew Forsberg kirjoitti: On 08/03/2007, at 10:25 AM, Saint K. wrote: Dont you think supporting a game once its released has been pre- calculated in the bugets? When the budget has expired do you want to see support for the game cease completely? or could you put up with a few small ads here and there? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
Totally agree with that. Its a shame CS has stopped being developped, when there are enough people who are willing to do this for free. Saint K. - Original Message - From: Thomas S. Crum - AAA Web Solution [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 11:23 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- Why not turn the source code over to the community that supported it in the first place. That is if this is truly an intellectual debate speaking to what is best for everyone and not just a sponging revenue off a deprecated product discussion. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Forsberg Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 3:53 PM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads On 08/03/2007, at 10:25 AM, Saint K. wrote: Dont you think supporting a game once its released has been pre- calculated in the bugets? When the budget has expired do you want to see support for the game cease completely? or could you put up with a few small ads here and there? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- [ smime.p7s of type application/x-pkcs7-signature deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
From: Thomas S. Crum - AAA Web Solution Why not turn the source code over to the community that supported it in the first place. That is if this is truly an intellectual debate speaking to what is best for everyone and not just a sponging revenue off a deprecated product discussion. Good point. That's what they do with the older versions of Quake. But, are the older Quake versions still supported by content/lobby servers? Maybe you could rephrase that to: how about they turn over the content-serving code to the community and GSPs so they can manage 1.6 and hldm and the other goldsource mods? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] You might quit playing it, but they already have your money. They're not losing much because you stop playing. On 3/7/07, ics [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In-game adds are not added into game because of money problems. Valve has not made any mentions about funding problems and there should not be any. Game has paid itself back many times already so nothing justifies the adverts in-game. Game itself doesnt cost that much to run as you think. They only said that in-game adds are experiment and a way to make new revenue since 1.6 is the most popular FPS-game in the world and advertisers would be interested to have new way to reach new customers. Of course, all of this is marketing propaganda. If 1.6 would cost too much to maintain, adds would have come sooner. Beta-stage was there to collect players opinions about adds. Some say they dont bother, some say they do. I'd say that every distraction in the game is annoying. There isnt much ways to give feedback. 1 player says adds are ok to right persons ear and it makes public opinion - adds are ok. Fine, most people submit to this as they dont care or they have to submit to be able to play games they like. If this goes through fine, id say other companies will add advertisements to their NEW games - including Valve to their future games. I already heard a rumour that there will be changeable adds in HL2 Episode 2. Nothing justifies adding advertisement into OLD games which people PAID already ages ago and got them WITHOUT ADVERTISEMENT. If this would be new game, lets say HL2 Episode 2, it would be totally different thing. People would not have to buy the game if they knew that it will have adds, however, most people dont care like i said and would buy the game anyway. Players of 1.6 feel somewhat betrayed because of the adds. I would be pissed if i would own 1.6 and have adds added into it later - when before i would have had it without adds. If these ever spread to CS:Source, ill be sure to quit playing it instantly. -ics Andrew Forsberg kirjoitti: On 08/03/2007, at 10:25 AM, Saint K. wrote: Dont you think supporting a game once its released has been pre- calculated in the bugets? When the budget has expired do you want to see support for the game cease completely? or could you put up with a few small ads here and there? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
No, but there you can fill in any of the other advantages they already had over the succes of CS. Saint K. - Original Message - From: Andrew Forsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads On 08/03/2007, at 10:25 AM, Saint K. wrote: Dont you think supporting a game once its released has been pre- calculated in the bugets? When the budget has expired do you want to see support for the game cease completely? or could you put up with a few small ads here and there? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
Oh and the second thing, the ads aint small! - Original Message - From: Andrew Forsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads On 08/03/2007, at 10:25 AM, Saint K. wrote: Dont you think supporting a game once its released has been pre- calculated in the bugets? When the budget has expired do you want to see support for the game cease completely? or could you put up with a few small ads here and there? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
If you CS guys want to quit and come play UT2004 we'd be happy to have you. I wouldn't put up with this if I were you. John Sheu wrote: /rant Quite frankly, I am sick and tired of hearing people whine about thi_. Don't get me wrong: I am all against in-game advertisements. I feel that they detract from the gameplay experience and the congruity of the environment, and are generally just a cheap trick to cash in on a popular game. But quite equally, I am all against people who will whine and raise bloody hell about boycotts and such, and promptly return to playing the damn game in half an hour. If you want a boycott, put your money where your mouth is and *do it*. Don't give me lame excuses about how everybody plays it, or I'm in CAL and I can't quit, or such. You're no more than a childish bunch of brats until I see you stand up like real men for what you believe in. As of now, I can only conclude that you're just doing this because you like attention. And by you, I mean the vast mass of bitching CS players out there. So nothing personal. -John Sheu ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] i aggree with you on what you have said. i dont understand how they can still make money from a game the apperently dont support anymore ? if you dont support it why sell it ?? maybe with the money your going to make from these adverts you might finnish the game and fix half the bugs that allready exist aswell as sort the netcode out. On 06/03/07, Frederick P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads. People paid for the product, they deserve having a product without Ads. It makes more sense for a Free version of CS 1.6 to be released that has Ad support and also giving an option for people to buy the game which will remove the Ads. This is truly annoying. Valve only has vac and authentication servers, Valve isn't the company that hosts the actual game servers for people to play on. I don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it is a marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source. Feedback? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
[ Converted text/html to text/plain ] From the discussions last night with fellow gamers and server admins last night, there is going to be a huge backlash against this. I for one have paid for my HL and CSS WITHOUT adverts. To now tell me as a server owner/admin I have to let VALVE advertise on a server I own using MY bandwidth is absolutely wrong. If they don't make this an option I see a large exodus from HL in general. The adverts while they may feel inoccus are a definate PITA. This may force us to shut down our servers which have been running for years. VALVE had better get their act together and fast. Crazy_One FaTe's Minions est 1997 Father dougal wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] i aggree with you on what you have said. i dont understand how they can still make money from a game the apperently dont support anymore ? if you dont support it why sell it ?? maybe with the money your going to make from these adverts you might finnish the game and fix half the bugs that allready exist aswell as sort the netcode out. On 06/03/07, Frederick P [EMAIL PROTECTED][1] wrote: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads. People paid for the product, they deserve having a product without Ads. It makes more sense for a Free version of CS 1.6 to be released that has Ad support and also giving an option for people to buy the game which will remove the Ads. This is truly annoying. Valve only has vac and authentication servers, Valve isn't the company that hosts the actual game servers for people to play on. I don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it is a marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source. Feedback? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[2] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[3] ===References:=== 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux 3. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Frederick P wrote: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads. People paid for the product, they deserve having a product without Ads. It makes more sense for a Free version of CS 1.6 to be released that has Ad support and also giving an option for people to buy the game which will remove the Ads. This is truly annoying. Valve only has vac and authentication servers, Valve isn't the company that hosts the actual game servers for people to play on. I don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it is a marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source. Gz, this really sucks! I made some in-game screens for you guys to check out: http://zeus.geforce.nl/~mb/cs_ads/ As you can, apart from screen 3, these ads are there when you are playing! So not only when you're waiting to spawn again, but just all the time :( As I have mentioned before, I finance my hardware and server connectivity myself, no ISP sponsoring me whatsoever. I do not need Valve to make advertisements on my server I do expect that they made a server side cvar to disable the in-game ads? Is this legal that anybody knows of? I have a bad feeling that these ads are no more then ordinary spam, it's an advertisement I didn't ask for, so when they try to shove down there ads through my throat without permission they are no more then pethatic spammers in my eyes I would like to see a reply from a Valve employee, with ofcourse the server cvar in it which disables there spamming. Regards, Marcel Beringer Netherlands Foute Baas Counter-Strike @ 80.69.78.204:27015 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
The ad's are on clientside, not serverside, so there is really now ad's on your server. The client's game draws them. There's already a two way to disable the ad's, but that's forbidden so I don't tell you how to do that. -- Valtteri Marcel Beringer kirjoitti: On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Frederick P wrote: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads. People paid for the product, they deserve having a product without Ads. It makes more sense for a Free version of CS 1.6 to be released that has Ad support and also giving an option for people to buy the game which will remove the Ads. This is truly annoying. Valve only has vac and authentication servers, Valve isn't the company that hosts the actual game servers for people to play on. I don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it is a marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source. Gz, this really sucks! I made some in-game screens for you guys to check out: http://zeus.geforce.nl/~mb/cs_ads/ As you can, apart from screen 3, these ads are there when you are playing! So not only when you're waiting to spawn again, but just all the time :( As I have mentioned before, I finance my hardware and server connectivity myself, no ISP sponsoring me whatsoever. I do not need Valve to make advertisements on my server I do expect that they made a server side cvar to disable the in-game ads? Is this legal that anybody knows of? I have a bad feeling that these ads are no more then ordinary spam, it's an advertisement I didn't ask for, so when they try to shove down there ads through my throat without permission they are no more then pethatic spammers in my eyes I would like to see a reply from a Valve employee, with ofcourse the server cvar in it which disables there spamming. Regards, Marcel Beringer Netherlands Foute Baas Counter-Strike @ 80.69.78.204:27015 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
Please tell me some key words ;) I will figure it out myself then. Saint K. - Original Message - From: Valtteri Kiviniemi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads The ad's are on clientside, not serverside, so there is really now ad's on your server. The client's game draws them. There's already a two way to disable the ad's, but that's forbidden so I don't tell you how to do that. -- Valtteri Marcel Beringer kirjoitti: On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Frederick P wrote: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads. People paid for the product, they deserve having a product without Ads. It makes more sense for a Free version of CS 1.6 to be released that has Ad support and also giving an option for people to buy the game which will remove the Ads. This is truly annoying. Valve only has vac and authentication servers, Valve isn't the company that hosts the actual game servers for people to play on. I don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it is a marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source. Gz, this really sucks! I made some in-game screens for you guys to check out: http://zeus.geforce.nl/~mb/cs_ads/ As you can, apart from screen 3, these ads are there when you are playing! So not only when you're waiting to spawn again, but just all the time :( As I have mentioned before, I finance my hardware and server connectivity myself, no ISP sponsoring me whatsoever. I do not need Valve to make advertisements on my server I do expect that they made a server side cvar to disable the in-game ads? Is this legal that anybody knows of? I have a bad feeling that these ads are no more then ordinary spam, it's an advertisement I didn't ask for, so when they try to shove down there ads through my throat without permission they are no more then pethatic spammers in my eyes I would like to see a reply from a Valve employee, with ofcourse the server cvar in it which disables there spamming. Regards, Marcel Beringer Netherlands Foute Baas Counter-Strike @ 80.69.78.204:27015 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
Saying keywords is like having the methods blocked ASAP by Valve Anyway, see how Valve ignores this as before. We can expect no comment from them. -ics Saint K. kirjoitti: Please tell me some key words ;) I will figure it out myself then. Saint K. - Original Message - From: Valtteri Kiviniemi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads The ad's are on clientside, not serverside, so there is really now ad's on your server. The client's game draws them. There's already a two way to disable the ad's, but that's forbidden so I don't tell you how to do that. -- Valtteri Marcel Beringer kirjoitti: On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Frederick P wrote: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads. People paid for the product, they deserve having a product without Ads. It makes more sense for a Free version of CS 1.6 to be released that has Ad support and also giving an option for people to buy the game which will remove the Ads. This is truly annoying. Valve only has vac and authentication servers, Valve isn't the company that hosts the actual game servers for people to play on. I don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it is a marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source. Gz, this really sucks! I made some in-game screens for you guys to check out: http://zeus.geforce.nl/~mb/cs_ads/ As you can, apart from screen 3, these ads are there when you are playing! So not only when you're waiting to spawn again, but just all the time :( As I have mentioned before, I finance my hardware and server connectivity myself, no ISP sponsoring me whatsoever. I do not need Valve to make advertisements on my server I do expect that they made a server side cvar to disable the in-game ads? Is this legal that anybody knows of? I have a bad feeling that these ads are no more then ordinary spam, it's an advertisement I didn't ask for, so when they try to shove down there ads through my throat without permission they are no more then pethatic spammers in my eyes I would like to see a reply from a Valve employee, with ofcourse the server cvar in it which disables there spamming. Regards, Marcel Beringer Netherlands Foute Baas Counter-Strike @ 80.69.78.204:27015 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Doubtful. Remember the work-around for cl_restrict_server_commands? On 3/6/07, ics [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saying keywords is like having the methods blocked ASAP by Valve Anyway, see how Valve ignores this as before. We can expect no comment from them. -ics Saint K. kirjoitti: Please tell me some key words ;) I will figure it out myself then. Saint K. - Original Message - From: Valtteri Kiviniemi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads The ad's are on clientside, not serverside, so there is really now ad's on your server. The client's game draws them. There's already a two way to disable the ad's, but that's forbidden so I don't tell you how to do that. -- Valtteri Marcel Beringer kirjoitti: On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Frederick P wrote: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads. People paid for the product, they deserve having a product without Ads. It makes more sense for a Free version of CS 1.6 to be released that has Ad support and also giving an option for people to buy the game which will remove the Ads. This is truly annoying. Valve only has vac and authentication servers, Valve isn't the company that hosts the actual game servers for people to play on. I don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it is a marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source. Gz, this really sucks! I made some in-game screens for you guys to check out: http://zeus.geforce.nl/~mb/cs_ads/ As you can, apart from screen 3, these ads are there when you are playing! So not only when you're waiting to spawn again, but just all the time :( As I have mentioned before, I finance my hardware and server connectivity myself, no ISP sponsoring me whatsoever. I do not need Valve to make advertisements on my server I do expect that they made a server side cvar to disable the in-game ads? Is this legal that anybody knows of? I have a bad feeling that these ads are no more then ordinary spam, it's an advertisement I didn't ask for, so when they try to shove down there ads through my throat without permission they are no more then pethatic spammers in my eyes I would like to see a reply from a Valve employee, with ofcourse the server cvar in it which disables there spamming. Regards, Marcel Beringer Netherlands Foute Baas Counter-Strike @ 80.69.78.204:27015 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Frederick P wrote: I don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it is a marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source. Hmmm, I doubt that. CS *was* a cash cow, but I imagine sales figures for it these days are rather slim. They've got a lot of gear, a lot of bandwidth, and a lot of staff to maintain. That costs $$$s. Why should sales of new games continue to support their old one? Obviously because if they got rid of that support the backlash would be immediate, and permanent. From: Marcel Beringer Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:49 AM As I have mentioned before, I finance my hardware and server connectivity myself, no ISP sponsoring me whatsoever. I do not need Valve to make advertisements on my server Erm, tough! :-) You could always put your own ads on the server to finance your hardware and connection. Sorry, I don't want to sound like a valve fanboy or anything, and I personally dislike having dynamic ads in games that I've played and enjoyed for years, but if it's a choice between ads, or decreasing quality and quantity of support and service for CS 1.6, then I'll choose the ads. I think the situation is quite different from the bf2142 one. Besides, so far it seems they're just advertising their own products, which makes sense -- 1.6 is helping promote the current generation of games. -Andrew ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
So you actually think they implement a way to disable adds or what do you suggest they do? -ics Cc2iscooL kirjoitti: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Doubtful. Remember the work-around for cl_restrict_server_commands? On 3/6/07, ics [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saying keywords is like having the methods blocked ASAP by Valve Anyway, see how Valve ignores this as before. We can expect no comment from them. -ics Saint K. kirjoitti: Please tell me some key words ;) I will figure it out myself then. Saint K. - Original Message - From: Valtteri Kiviniemi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads The ad's are on clientside, not serverside, so there is really now ad's on your server. The client's game draws them. There's already a two way to disable the ad's, but that's forbidden so I don't tell you how to do that. -- Valtteri Marcel Beringer kirjoitti: On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Frederick P wrote: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads. People paid for the product, they deserve having a product without Ads. It makes more sense for a Free version of CS 1.6 to be released that has Ad support and also giving an option for people to buy the game which will remove the Ads. This is truly annoying. Valve only has vac and authentication servers, Valve isn't the company that hosts the actual game servers for people to play on. I don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it is a marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source. Gz, this really sucks! I made some in-game screens for you guys to check out: http://zeus.geforce.nl/~mb/cs_ads/ As you can, apart from screen 3, these ads are there when you are playing! So not only when you're waiting to spawn again, but just all the time :( As I have mentioned before, I finance my hardware and server connectivity myself, no ISP sponsoring me whatsoever. I do not need Valve to make advertisements on my server I do expect that they made a server side cvar to disable the in-game ads? Is this legal that anybody knows of? I have a bad feeling that these ads are no more then ordinary spam, it's an advertisement I didn't ask for, so when they try to shove down there ads through my throat without permission they are no more then pethatic spammers in my eyes I would like to see a reply from a Valve employee, with ofcourse the server cvar in it which disables there spamming. Regards, Marcel Beringer Netherlands Foute Baas Counter-Strike @ 80.69.78.204:27015 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
Andrew Forsberg wrote: On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Frederick P wrote: I don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it is a marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source. Hmmm, I doubt that. CS *was* a cash cow, but I imagine sales figures for it these days are rather slim. They've got a lot of gear, a lot of bandwidth, and a lot of staff to maintain. That costs $$$s. Why should sales of new games continue to support their old one? Obviously because if they got rid of that support the backlash would be immediate, and permanent. From: Marcel Beringer Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:49 AM As I have mentioned before, I finance my hardware and server connectivity myself, no ISP sponsoring me whatsoever. I do not need Valve to make advertisements on my server Erm, tough! :-) You could always put your own ads on the server to finance your hardware and connection. Sorry, I don't want to sound like a valve fanboy or anything, and I personally dislike having dynamic ads in games that I've played and enjoyed for years, but if it's a choice between ads, or decreasing quality and quantity of support and service for CS 1.6, then I'll choose the ads. I think the situation is quite different from the bf2142 one. Besides, so far it seems they're just advertising their own products, which makes sense -- 1.6 is helping promote the current generation of games. -Andrew ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux i was playing dust tonight and one thing i really hated about this whole thing is not the subject but the size and the placement of the the ads. The one at ct spawn i find distracting the ads in the score viewer and the one top left when you are dead are ok. I expressed concerns when this was announced and i was denounced as being silly and told valve wouldn't do that but here we are with screen shots to prove that i was right and the fact that all of my 1.6 customers hate it, the members of the clan i'm affiliated with hate it, i even spoke to my brother this evening and when i told him that valve had implemented the feature his face was a picture of hatred and disgust. That means well over 100 people i work and play with hate this idea and it is also 100% of the people i know that play 1.6. All of whom have paid hard cash for this game and many play other steam based games, again all full paid for. I fear valve and therefore myself will lose a lot of business because of this. Way to go valve. /me mutters curses ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
