Re: [Hornlist] How to prevent pits.
In my experience pits occur on lacquered areas. Pinholes trap corrosive chemicals (sweat), and a pit ensues. If a lacquered area develops pits, get the lacquer stripped. I have heard that Lemon Pledge protects unlacquered brass. The best preventive action is wiping the horn after use. Herb Foster --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I was wondering ways to prevent pitting on your horn. How does it occure, and is it only on unlaquered areas? How to prevent it from starting? Can it occur anywhere other than the bell? Thanks, Mike ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
I have a quick question. I was wanting to clean out the bottom bearing plates on my Schmid, but the bottom screw rings on the valves appear to be stuck. Does anyone know the best way to get them un-stuck so I can clean out the bottom bearing plates? -William ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
They are usually soldered in place. You must remove the rotor. I have a quick question. I was wanting to clean out the bottom bearing plates on my Schmid, but the bottom screw rings on the valves appear to be stuck. Does anyone know the best way to get them un-stuck so I can clean out the bottom bearing plates? -William ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jamesarthurkirk%40att.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
Well I can see screw threads near them and no solder anywhere. -William In a message dated 12/21/2003 10:14:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They are usually soldered in place. You must remove the rotor. I have a quick question. I was wanting to clean out the bottom bearing plates on my Schmid, but the bottom screw rings on the valves appear to be stuck. Does anyone know the best way to get them un-stuck so I can clean out the bottom bearing plates? -William ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
I knew it :) I actually sprayed some WD40 in there an hour ago and I can't get them out by hand. Do they make strap wrenches or anything small enough to use? I definately don't want to start using pliars. -William In a message dated 12/21/2003 10:22:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: William, The screw rings on a E.Schmid horn are NOT soldered. You might want to try some Wd-40 on the rings. Let it sit in the threads for an hour or so and try removing them by hand again. Paul navarro ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
William, No ,do not resort to wrenches or pliers. You could use a thin leather belt- about 1/2 wide. Wrap the belt around the ring, pull it tightly around the ring with your fingers, and holding it in that position try to unscrew the ring. Use light pressure and do not force it , but this gives you a little more leverage around the entire ring. paul ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
The pliars were in jest only :P I found a nice sized belt but it's really hard to get a grip on things in there. -William ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
William, This is very true, but you only need to move it a few thousands of an inch with the belt to get it started. Then it should come off by hand. Paul ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
I'm finding it difficult to get it to move that first few thousandths of an inch. I'm going to spray a little more WD40 in there, let it sit, but if it doesn't budge after that I wonder if some guy didn't put loc-tite or something in there -William In a message dated 12/21/2003 10:35:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: William, This is very true, but you only need to move it a few thousands of an inch with the belt to get it started. Then it should come off by hand. Paul ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
At 1:38 PM -0500 12/21/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm finding it difficult to get it to move that first few thousandths of an inch. I'm going to spray a little more WD40 in there, let it sit, but if it doesn't budge after that I wonder if some guy didn't put loc-tite or something in there Having these guys tight or stuck is a blessing in disguise. Leave them alone! Take the rotors out and clean things from there. Carlberg Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO From the US - 011-52-473-731-0179 Cell. from the US - 011-52-473-560-8020 Cel. local - 044-473-560-8020 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
Well the reason why I want to clean out everything is because I can look with a flashlight and tell that there is some dirt that I want to get rid of, and well the little ultrasonic cleaner I have isn't big enough to support the entire horn :P Also, I do wish to be thorough since soap and water doesn't get everywhere you want it to get to clean things out, especially when a bearing plate could be stuck enough to not let any water get between it and the side of the casing. As to the bottom screw rings being stuck, it seems to me that they shouldn't really permanently be on there. I can't really see any reason why you'd want them stuck there unless you were afraid they would unscrew mid-practice. If you screw them on tight enough where they stay but aren't stuck then you shouldn't have a problem, correct? The top bearings seem to be made so that they wedge themselves into the casing and so they don't move, so it stands to reason the bottom bearings would be likewise. -William In a message dated 12/21/2003 10:45:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Having these guys tight or stuck is a blessing in disguise. Leave them alone! Take the rotors out and clean things from there. Carlberg Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO From the US - 011-52-473-731-0179 Cell. from the US - 011-52-473-560-8020 Cel. local - 044-473-560-8020 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
On second thoughts I can see why they from a mechanical view should be stuck there. I am taking into account that a valve that drifts downward isn't a good thing :P Oh well, thanks for the advice. At least I can clean out the rest. -William ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
Exaggerated. A thousandth of an inch is just 0,025 mms. Admit, it is a bit more. Happy Holidays to everybody on the list. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 7:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings? William, This is very true, but you only need to move it a few thousands of an inch with the belt to get it started. Then it should come off by hand. Paul ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings?
Yes, it is much better this way than to ruin the wholething. The best way is, not to get it become dirty there inside. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carlberg Jones Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 7:43 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Stuck screw rings? At 1:38 PM -0500 12/21/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm finding it difficult to get it to move that first few thousandths of an inch. I'm going to spray a little more WD40 in there, let it sit, but if it doesn't budge after that I wonder if some guy didn't put loc-tite or something in there Having these guys tight or stuck is a blessing in disguise. Leave them alone! Take the rotors out and clean things from there. Carlberg Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO From the US - 011-52-473-731-0179 Cell. from the US - 011-52-473-560-8020 Cel. local - 044-473-560-8020 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Protecting against corrosion pits
Wash the area well with a heavy application of gentle liquid dish detergent; rinse and dry. Then apply a non-abrasive car paste wax (ask your car products dealer for non-abrasive). Let dry and polish with a soft cloth. The paste wax will also cover over minor scratches and help your horn finish look new. The process involved: you want to clean the pitted or scratched area to prepare it for direct contact with the paste wax. The paste wax in the pits and scratches protects against further chemical interaction with you hands. __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] The pits
What should you do to a horn that is already badlt pitted? (besides shooting it and putting out of your misery) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] The pits
You could get a professional brass instrument technician to solder on a nice looking reinforcement plate.-AC. ~ At 03:11 PM 12/21/2003 -0800, you wrote: What should you do to a horn that is already badlt pitted? (besides shooting it and putting out of your misery) ___ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2366178982category=16215 ... chris __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] State Opera Munich on ZDF
Sorry, Klaus, yes it is boiling hot on stage sometimes during the concerts, but if we play in the pit, the first horn might act as the boiling stick (do you remember these apparatus often used in hotel rooms to boil water for the tea - Tauchsieder -, which is prohibited to use now ?) when playing Wagner or R.Strauss. But the head has to remain cool, even the lips getting burned nearly. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Klaus Bjerre Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:23 AM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] State Opera Munich on ZDF 00.30AM (in a few minutes) there will be a 30 minutes documentary on ZDF (2nd German State TV channel) on the workplace of a prominent contributor to this list. He has reported on having his head cooked there and we all know the results of that. So for the ones able to watch ZDF there will be a chance to see the Pizka-boiling-house. Klaus ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
