RE: AW: [Hornlist] Play high to play low
Oh my...that is VERY funny Sandra Toledo ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: AW: [Hornlist] Play high to play low
Tom, Ja... das ist richtig. I schtudied mitt der Herr Schmutzig fur das uberhohennotentechniquengemahertonen besser machen auf der jahren 60s. By the way, I wanted to add that doing the exercise with a perfect legato between the two notes is even more challenging. Bob Dickow -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+dickow=uidaho@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+dickow=uidaho@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Reicher, Tom Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:55 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: AW: [Hornlist] Play high to play low As I recall, Professor Schmutzig pioneered this method many years ago. Didn't you once study with him, Bob? -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld - Original Message - From: horn-bounces+treicher=cooley@music.memphis.edu To: 'The Horn List' Sent: Wed Jul 08 21:33:03 2009 Subject: RE: AW: [Hornlist] Play high to play low I am trying to increase my range too, and have made some progress. I am working on doing a whole octave now, with the goal of rising from the first note to an octave higher on the second note. By transposing the second note of the octave leap down an octave, I have found it to be much easier to reach the second note. I recommend this approach. Bob Dickow -- ...I enthusiastically agree with Hans (*). Over many years I have increased my range to more than a major sixth, and soon I expect to have conquered the territory of a minor seventh. My ... ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/treicher%40cooley.com This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. If you are the intended recipient, please be advised that the content of this message is subject to access, review and disclosure by the sender's Email System Administrator. IRS Circular 230 disclosure: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS, we inform you that any U.S. federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachment) is not intended or written by us to be used, and cannot be used, (i) by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) for promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: AW: [Hornlist] Play high to play low
As I recall, Professor Schmutzig pioneered this method many years ago. Didn't you once study with him, Bob? -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld - Original Message - From: horn-bounces+treicher=cooley@music.memphis.edu To: 'The Horn List' Sent: Wed Jul 08 21:33:03 2009 Subject: RE: AW: [Hornlist] Play high to play low I am trying to increase my range too, and have made some progress. I am working on doing a whole octave now, with the goal of rising from the first note to an octave higher on the second note. By transposing the second note of the octave leap down an octave, I have found it to be much easier to reach the second note. I recommend this approach. Bob Dickow -- ...I enthusiastically agree with Hans (*). Over many years I have increased my range to more than a major sixth, and soon I expect to have conquered the territory of a minor seventh. My ... ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/treicher%40cooley.com This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. If you are the intended recipient, please be advised that the content of this message is subject to access, review and disclosure by the sender's Email System Administrator. IRS Circular 230 disclosure: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS, we inform you that any U.S. federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachment) is not intended or written by us to be used, and cannot be used, (i) by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) for promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: AW: [Hornlist] Play high to play low
I am trying to increase my range too, and have made some progress. I am working on doing a whole octave now, with the goal of rising from the first note to an octave higher on the second note. By transposing the second note of the octave leap down an octave, I have found it to be much easier to reach the second note. I recommend this approach. Bob Dickow -- ...I enthusiastically agree with Hans (*). Over many years I have increased my range to more than a major sixth, and soon I expect to have conquered the territory of a minor seventh. My ... ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: AW: [Hornlist] Play high to play low
Prof.Hans Pizka schrieb: It is not important, how high you can climb up or how low you can crawl down. Important is only, which notes you can play with QUALITY and SECURITY. It is not necessary to know all the muscles involved & being able to name them. It is solely important to play the given task, difficult & demanding or easy & average NICELY & IN STYLE. I enthusiastically agree with Hans (*). Over many years I have increased my range to more than a major sixth, and soon I expect to have conquered the territory of a minor seventh. My quality and security are perfect, simply ethereal, and when reach that elusive m7 I will play much of the original Star trek theme in a way that would make a Romulan cry! (Are Romulans sensitive to transposition?) Hans' note suggests a neat way I could further increase my range without sacrificing quality or security. I'll have my local repair shop change my stopping valve into a quarter-tone valve. Then I'll have _twice_ the range! == (*) Just kidding, Hans. I'm still playing my beloved Pizka mouthpiece (and loving it) over more than four octaves. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
AW: [Hornlist] Play high to play low
Hello Steve, John, Larry, Simon & others, It is not important, how high you can climb up or how low you can crawl down. Important is only, which notes you can play with QUALITY and SECURITY. It is not necessary to know all the muscles involved & being able to name them. It is solely important to play the given task, difficult & demanding or easy & average NICELY & IN STYLE. Greetings from wet & very warm Munich Hans -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu] Im Auftrag von Steve Freides Gesendet: Samstag, 4. Juli 2009 04:43 An: The Horn List Betreff: Re: [Hornlist] Play high to play low Larry, there is precedent for this sort of thing in the areas of strength and flexibility, not just our horn playing. I can't prove that any of this is related to horn playing, but look at, e.g., proprioceptive neuromuscular facilitation - google 'PNF stretching'. You'll find, e.g., that working a muscle can help it relax better. My guess is that something like this is at work in what you're describing. Just my theory, your mileage may vary. -S- On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Larry Jellison wrote: > > For years and years many horn instructors have recommended one to develop the > low range to be able to play well in the upper register. Some of us have had > some doubt about this. My experience was that the oxygenation of the lips > from low playing could help with high range playing, but that this benefit > was temporary. Well, the reverse has been happening for me: my best low > range ability happens after I have been playing in the high range. I can > play my lowest notes after I have been working hard in the high range. So, I > wonder if any of you find this to work for your low range, too. > > The Balanced Embouchure exercise of slurring from pedal notes, up 3+ octaves > seems to open up the highest notes for me. If I can't get a high note to > respond, my best chance to be able to play it seems to be to slur up 3+ > octaves from a pedal note. Makes for a strange sounding practice session. > > Larry > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve.freides%40gmail.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Play high to play low
Here is my 2 cents, for whatever it is worth. Use a big reed when playing very low and a small reed (which translates to playing lower in the rim) when playing very high, and try to keep the sound quality similar, which is mostly a head thing. Take your best sound and move it all around. Try to keep that sound in your head, high and low. Personally, i don't think playing hi and lo have much to do with each other. Arnold Jacobs would play, on a big 5/4 C tuba, Helleburg mouthpiece, as high as a hornist's hi C and to the bottom of the tuba register. I've seen and heard him do it many times, and had many, many lessons with him. He changed his reed size and readjusted in the mouthpiece. He never thought that was a problem (don't make unnecessary changes - ie. be stable physically if you can, but not to the diminution of quality of sound or flexibility) but keep the sound quality the best you can produce. Listen to the best players and emulate their sound if you are not happy with your own.) As a disappointing aside, I have found most recordings, even on top playback equipment, not particularly faithful to the live sound of a good or great horn player. Too many colors and other subtleties disappear. Best, Shel --- On Fri, 7/3/09, Simon Varnam wrote: From: Simon Varnam Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Play high to play low To: horn@music.memphis.edu Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 11:05 PM Larry Jellison wrote: > I can play my lowest notes after I have been working hard in the high range. > So, I wonder if any of you find this to work for your low range, too. Yes, I've noticed that I can play lower notes than usual (pedal C "inside the mouthpiece" instead of D) after a really hard session, but I think it's only that being extremely tired means my lips have less tension than usual, or I've hammered them out thinner and more flexible. :-) It's not something I can then do again the next day, (unless I get really tired again) so I doubt it's a method to recommend. Simon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/skirshner%40ameritech.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Play high to play low
Larry Jellison wrote: I can play my lowest notes after I have been working hard in the high range. So, I wonder if any of you find this to work for your low range, too. Yes, I've noticed that I can play lower notes than usual (pedal C "inside the mouthpiece" instead of D) after a really hard session, but I think it's only that being extremely tired means my lips have less tension than usual, or I've hammered them out thinner and more flexible. :-) It's not something I can then do again the next day, (unless I get really tired again) so I doubt it's a method to recommend. Simon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Play high to play low
Larry, there is precedent for this sort of thing in the areas of strength and flexibility, not just our horn playing. I can't prove that any of this is related to horn playing, but look at, e.g., proprioceptive neuromuscular facilitation - google 'PNF stretching'. You'll find, e.g., that working a muscle can help it relax better. My guess is that something like this is at work in what you're describing. Just my theory, your mileage may vary. -S- On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Larry Jellison wrote: > > For years and years many horn instructors have recommended one to develop the > low range to be able to play well in the upper register. Some of us have had > some doubt about this. My experience was that the oxygenation of the lips > from low playing could help with high range playing, but that this benefit > was temporary. Well, the reverse has been happening for me: my best low > range ability happens after I have been playing in the high range. I can > play my lowest notes after I have been working hard in the high range. So, I > wonder if any of you find this to work for your low range, too. > > The Balanced Embouchure exercise of slurring from pedal notes, up 3+ octaves > seems to open up the highest notes for me. If I can't get a high note to > respond, my best chance to be able to play it seems to be to slur up 3+ > octaves from a pedal note. Makes for a strange sounding practice session. > > Larry > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve.freides%40gmail.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Play high to play low
That'd make for a strange sounding Long Call, too. John Baumgart -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+john.baumgart=comcast@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+john.baumgart=comcast@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Larry Jellison Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 2:59 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Play high to play low ... If I can't get a high note to respond, my best chance to be able to play it seems to be to slur up 3+ octaves from a pedal note. Makes for a strange sounding practice session. Larry ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Play high to play low
For years and years many horn instructors have recommended one to develop the low range to be able to play well in the upper register. Some of us have had some doubt about this. My experience was that the oxygenation of the lips from low playing could help with high range playing, but that this benefit was temporary. Well, the reverse has been happening for me: my best low range ability happens after I have been playing in the high range. I can play my lowest notes after I have been working hard in the high range. So, I wonder if any of you find this to work for your low range, too. The Balanced Embouchure exercise of slurring from pedal notes, up 3+ octaves seems to open up the highest notes for me. If I can't get a high note to respond, my best chance to be able to play it seems to be to slur up 3+ octaves from a pedal note. Makes for a strange sounding practice session. Larry ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
