RE: [Hornlist] Re: Elkhart 8D

2009-02-17 Thread John . N Ward

Hi Lawrence

That reminds me of when I started my apprenticeship Paxman back in the 1960,s.

Bob Paxman gave me an old bell with cents and creases all over it.

Having done my best to remove the damage and presented my work to him he

would then bang the bell on the edge of the bench and say do it again, and 
again, and again.

It certainly made me aware of the quality of work needed

 

Cheers

John Ward {still repairing after all these years!!!} 
 
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:17:18 +
> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Elkhart 8D
> From: yateslawre...@googlemail.com
> To: c.j.l.w...@newcastle.ac.uk; horn@music.memphis.edu
> CC: 
> 
> Kit Wolf wrote;
> "Take some dents out.
> Accidentally put a hole in it then learn about annealing. Patch it.
> Desolder and resolder some joints. "
> 
> 
> An old friend of mine was a violin repairer. He told me that when he
> started at college the first task was to make a violin. When it was
> finished he proudly took it to the "master" who congratulated him, then
> threw it the length of the room and said, "now go and mend it". Each time
> the instrument was restored, the master would damage it in some way and this
> was the instrument he used throughout his initial training.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Lawrence
> Lawrenceyates.co.uk
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Elkhart 8D

2009-02-17 Thread Lawrence Yates
Kit Wolf wrote;
"Take some dents out.
Accidentally put a hole in it then learn about annealing. Patch it.
Desolder and resolder some joints. "


An old friend of mine was a violin repairer.  He told me that when he
started at college the first task was to make a violin.  When it was
finished he proudly took it to the "master" who congratulated him, then
threw it the length of the room and said, "now go and mend it".  Each time
the instrument was restored, the master would damage it in some way and this
was the instrument he used throughout his initial training.

Cheers,

Lawrence
Lawrenceyates.co.uk
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Elkhart 8D

2009-02-17 Thread Kit Wolf
I agree entirely with both of you.

My point is that if the OP buys a worn 8d, it may turn out to be a very
expensive mistake. If what he really wants to do is _learn_ horn repair it
doesn't matter if the horn never ends up playable. Take some dents out.
Accidentally put a hole in it then learn about annealing. Patch it.
Desolder and resolder some joints. For $100 it would still be a cheap
learning experience. I guess an old trumpet or other instrument might be
cheaper.

Kit


> I'll echo what Richard said.  I troll eBay regularly looking for horns
> that I can fix up and re-sell for a profit.  But, the thing is, I never
> buy any because for the most part, they go for too much in their decrepit
> state to leave any room for profit.  That's with me doing the work myself,
> and I'm fast and good.  Case in point, I had a silver plated 6D a few
> years ago, pretty leaky and not a great player but kinda cool looking
> because of the silver.  Early '50s.  I got 800.00 for it on eBay.  A
> couple of years later I got another one, same thing.  I completely rebuilt
> the valves - tight baby!, replaced the leadpipe and a couple of slide
> crooks with brand new silver plated ones to match. Took out all the
> dents.  It played great!  I got 825.00 for it on eBay.   Now, maybe that
> was about right (this was a few years ago), but the first one certainly
> went for way too much!
>
> - Steve Mumford
>
> -
>
> Kit Wolf wrote:
>
>
> Look on Ebay and get a really beat up horn for $100 - or less. The more
> beat-up, the more you'll learn. And it won't matter so much if you make
>
> a serious mistake.
>
> --
> and then Richard wrote:
>
> In my experience, none of these assertions is valid. First off, smashed up
> old
> 8D's go for ridiculously high prices. For less than $100 you can get any
> number of single F horns except Yamaha's. Many can be rewarding learning
> projects. When you get done, you may be able to sell it for a bit more
> than you
> paid for it. Any double horn you pick up for less than $100 will be a
> nightmare
> to repair and probably won't be playable when you get done.
>
> Horns that are complete disasters take a lot of experience to untangle.
> You
> learn more by starting with horns that need relatively minor repairs and
> work
> you way up to progressively more complex situations. Note that only about
> 1/2 -
> 2/3 of the junkers I pick up can be restored to where I'm willing to list
> them. The rest await the torch where they are disassembled for parts or
> recycling. ("NO DISASSEMBLE! NO DISASSEMBLE!" - Johnny 5)
>
> I have a few horns listed on hornplayer.net, and my write-ups give some
> idea
> (simplified) of what I had to do to get them to market. Look for my two
> King and
> one Yamaha doubles. I also have a couple of very good playing single F
> horns
> there, that have been languishing for over a year.
>
> Regards,
> Richard Hirsh
>
>
>
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RE: [Hornlist] Re: Elkhart 8D

2009-02-14 Thread Bill Gross
Boy you and Bumgart really must have your hot buttons punched with this one.
Shesh.  

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    I'm just curious, if you trade your shiny Eastlake 8D for a beat up
Elkhart one with leaky valves, you'll have a horn that's not playable.  What
will you play on?

- Steve Mumford
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