Re: [HOT] Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] Alternative imagery project 2102

[Paul Norman]

On 11/7/2016 6:17 AM, Chad Blevins wrote:

Hi everyone,

Thanks for the note, I created task 2102 and also provided the
additional imagery service.  Unfortunately certain areas of the custom
image service are offset from Bing and existing OSM data.  For this
reason I purposely didn't load the custom service into the task, but
offered it in the instructions to supplement clouds, etc.  These tasks
are designed to get new mappers involved with OSM.  Offset imagery
significantly raises the bar of entry and can introduce data quality
issues.


If the imagery source is usable by everyone I recommend adding it to 
https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index and 
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps so it is available in both iD 
and JOSM by all editors.


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Re: [HOT] Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] Alternative imagery project 2102

[joost schouppe]

Ooh, sorry to jump to conclusions. It looked like a straightforward problem
at first glance.

We've had similar challenges, where cloudy spots are mapped with different
imagery. Not only was there considerable change on the ground, but also it
was impossible to align the pictures because of the hilly terrain. I'm
afraid there's no easy solution.

It does some likely that offering several imagery sources to newer mappers
is challenging. It might be better to just map what's possible with one
image, then create a new task to map what's left. Though that has it's own
problems too.

2016-11-07 15:17 GMT+01:00 Chad Blevins :

> Hi everyone,
>
> Thanks for the note, I created task 2102 and also provided the
> additional imagery service.  Unfortunately certain areas of the custom
> image service are offset from Bing and existing OSM data.  For this
> reason I purposely didn't load the custom service into the task, but
> offered it in the instructions to supplement clouds, etc.  These tasks
> are designed to get new mappers involved with OSM.  Offset imagery
> significantly raises the bar of entry and can introduce data quality
> issues.
>
> I've since noticed areas with significant change (buildings, trees,
> etc.) between the two images.  The service I provided is several years
> newer than Bing.  This highlights one major challenge with introducing
> new imagery in OSM.  It would be great if traced features were
> automatically tagged with the date/year of the service used.
>
> Before creating a custom service I check Bing for date/year, cloud
> cover, and quality.  If Mapbox isn't a good supplement then I search
> for other scenes from the DG archive, and do my best to find a recent
> cloud free scene that aligns with Bing.  I'm open to suggestions on
> the best way to proceed.
>
> Thanks,
> Chad
>
>
>
> > On Nov 7, 2016, at 7:21 AM, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM <
> blake.girar...@hotosm.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Joost, Mike, Daniel,
> >
> > Joost is of course correct. In looking at the project in the TM, it is
> > not clear which imagery should be preferred for mapping, it might be
> > on purpose the other imagery is not in the imagery field.
> >
> > I sent an email via OSM to the project creator to see if we can
> > clarify the instructions a bit and put the other imagery in the
> > imagery field if it should be used.
> >
> > Thank you for pointing it out Daniel.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Blake
> > 
> > Blake Girardot
> > Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
> > skype: jblakegirardot
> > HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:32 AM, joost schouppe
> >  wrote:
> >> That shouldn't be necessary though.
> >>
> >> When you set up a task in the tasking manager, there is a tab to set the
> >> background imagery. Doing this ensures the custom imagery is loaded as
> >> default in ID. I don't know who managed the task, but they should be
> >> informed that this is a really useful thing to do.
> >>
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Re: [HOT] Surveying Helicopter Landing Zones (HLZs)

[Milo van der Linden]

Maybe adopt the healthsites.io (or ushahidi) model, where functionality for
verification by trusted people is added on top and outside the
openstreetmap database.

Op 7 nov. 2016 5:39 p.m. schreef "Pierre Béland" :

> Hi Denis
>
> In the context of Humanitarian Responses, there are various situations
> were we have specific requests. We accepted for the Nepal response to spot
> eventual helicopter landing zones. We did setup a Skype room to discuss
> with people with experience with helicopters.  Often in the context of such
> emergencies, we dont necessarily have the contact with the persons that
> would use the data or any feedback.
>
> But the interface with operationals in the field is essential. This is
> something we should improve. If organizations want to work with us to do
> such tasks, they should interface and assure we can progress rapidly with
> quality data.
>
> For the Vanuatu response, I had the opportunity to share my screen from
> Skype with an airport controller to validate each landing field on the
> various islands. This was an efficient, rapid way to validate the data, and
> adjust if necessary. We could evaluate if this was a valid landing zone,
> evaluate the lenght of the runway and revise the tags.
>
> If there are any interest to repeat such experiments, I agree, we need
> this type of discussion with organizations that actively fly helicopters &
> planes within the affected areas.
>
> Private tasks could be setup to reserve the access to experienced
> contributors that have been trained to do such jobs.
>
> regard
>
> Pierre
>
>
> --
> *De :* Denis Carriere 
> *À :* "hot@openstreetmap.org" 
> *Cc :* Jack Reid ; Kathmandu Living Labs
> ; Jennifer Bottrell 
> *Envoyé le :* lundi 7 novembre 2016 10h29
> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] Surveying Helicopter Landing Zones (HLZs)
>
> During the Nepal earthquake relief effort, mapping HLZs (Helicopter
> Landing Zones) did not seem very coordinated, many factors need to be taken
> into consideration to properly define a HLZ. I can confirm that very little
> of the OpenStreetMap HLZ data was not used for any mission planning by any
> NGO, Government or UN aid during my time in Nepal.
>
> However, it would be great to open this type of discussion with
> organizations that actively fly helicopters & planes within these affected
> areas. Most of these organizations already have a their own HLZ data with
> tons of precise attributes associated with the particular HLZ & terrain
> data.
>
> Before any mapping happens, we should properly define a HLZ OSM Wiki page
> to clearly define how to map an HLZ.
>
> https://gist.github.com/aaronpdennis/b4ce2012749bb025b886 (Humanitarian
> purposed tags)
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Helicopter_landing_zone (Not defined)
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency:helipad (Not defined)
>
> *@MAF & @MountainChild @KLL: *It would be great to have your input on
> this topic.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> *~~*
> *Denis Carriere*
> *GIS Software & Systems Specialist*
>
> *Twitter: @DenisCarriere*
> *OSM: DenisCarriere*
> GitHub: DenisCarriere
> Email: carriere.de...@gmail.com
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 7:11 AM, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM <
> blake.girar...@hotosm.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Keith,
>
> I worked a lot on this issue during the Nepal 2015 response.
>
> What you propose sounds great. We had a lot of difficulty trying to do
> this via the tasking manager for several reasons.
>
> I would love to speak with you more about it, maybe we could chat via
> skype.
>
> Cheers,
> Blake
> -- --
> Blake Girardot
> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
> President, HOT Board of Directors
> skype: jblakegirardot
> HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Keith Darby  wrote:
> > All:
> >
> > I am a retired Marine Corps Helicopter Pilot, and a current Masters
> Candidate in GIS Technologies at USC.
> >
> > I am working on my thesis, which is based on the premise that
> crowd-sourced geospatial information, if properly structured, could aid
> aircrews in surveying potential HLZs for disaster response.
> >
> > The work flow would be as follows:
> >
> > (1) Helicopter planners and aircrews would select potential HLZs in a
> disaster-affected region, using whatever mission planning GISystem at their
> disposal (normally baed on remote sensing data)
> >
> > (2) Those proposed HLZs would be uploaded to OSM.
> >
> > (3) Volunteers could select one of those HLZs and conduct a ground-truth
> survey, following a script (that I would develop).
> >
> > (4) Those surveys would be uploaded to OSM and validated.
> >
> > (5) the Helicopter mission planners and aircrews could use those surveys
> to select the best zones for disaster relief operations.
> >
> > I am looking at using the towns of Honokaa and Waimea on the northern
> end of the Big Island of Hawaii as my study area, as I live close by, and I
> have the local Community Emergency Respon

Re: [HOT] Surveying Helicopter Landing Zones (HLZs)

[Pierre Béland]

Hi Denis
In the context of Humanitarian Responses, there are various situations were we 
have specific requests. We accepted for the Nepal response to spot eventual 
helicopter landing zones. We did setup a Skype room to discuss with people with 
experience with helicopters.  Often in the context of such emergencies, we dont 
necessarily have the contact with the persons that would use the data or any 
feedback.
But the interface with operationals in the field is essential. This is 
something we should improve. If organizations want to work with us to do such 
tasks, they should interface and assure we can progress rapidly with quality 
data.

For the Vanuatu response, I had the opportunity to share my screen from Skype 
with an airport controller to validate each landing field on the various 
islands. This was an efficient, rapid way to validate the data, and adjust if 
necessary. We could evaluate if this was a valid landing zone, evaluate the 
lenght of the runway and revise the tags.
If there are any interest to repeat such experiments, I agree, we need this 
type of discussion with organizations that actively fly helicopters & planes 
within the affected areas.
Private tasks could be setup to reserve the access to experienced contributors 
that have been trained to do such jobs.
regard 
 
Pierre 


  De : Denis Carriere 
 À : "hot@openstreetmap.org"  
Cc : Jack Reid ; Kathmandu Living Labs 
; Jennifer Bottrell 
 Envoyé le : lundi 7 novembre 2016 10h29
 Objet : Re: [HOT] Surveying Helicopter Landing Zones (HLZs)
   
During the Nepal earthquake relief effort, mapping HLZs (Helicopter Landing 
Zones) did not seem very coordinated, many factors need to be taken into 
consideration to properly define a HLZ. I can confirm that very little of the 
OpenStreetMap HLZ data was not used for any mission planning by any NGO, 
Government or UN aid during my time in Nepal.
However, it would be great to open this type of discussion with organizations 
that actively fly helicopters & planes within these affected areas. Most of 
these organizations already have a their own HLZ data with tons of precise 
attributes associated with the particular HLZ & terrain data.
Before any mapping happens, we should properly define a HLZ OSM Wiki page to 
clearly define how to map an HLZ.
https://gist.github.com/aaronpdennis/b4ce2012749bb025b886 (Humanitarian 
purposed tags)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Helicopter_landing_zone (Not defined)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency:helipad (Not defined)

@MAF & @MountainChild @KLL: It would be great to have your input on this topic.
Cheers,

~~Denis CarriereGIS Software & Systems SpecialistTwitter: @DenisCarriere
OSM: DenisCarriereGitHub: DenisCarriereEmail: carriere.de...@gmail.com
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 7:11 AM, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM 
 wrote:

Hi Keith,

I worked a lot on this issue during the Nepal 2015 response.

What you propose sounds great. We had a lot of difficulty trying to do
this via the tasking manager for several reasons.

I would love to speak with you more about it, maybe we could chat via skype.

Cheers,
Blake
-- --
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Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
President, HOT Board of Directors
skype: jblakegirardot
HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org


On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Keith Darby  wrote:
> All:
>
> I am a retired Marine Corps Helicopter Pilot, and a current Masters Candidate 
> in GIS Technologies at USC.
>
> I am working on my thesis, which is based on the premise that crowd-sourced 
> geospatial information, if properly structured, could aid aircrews in 
> surveying potential HLZs for disaster response.
>
> The work flow would be as follows:
>
> (1) Helicopter planners and aircrews would select potential HLZs in a 
> disaster-affected region, using whatever mission planning GISystem at their 
> disposal (normally baed on remote sensing data)
>
> (2) Those proposed HLZs would be uploaded to OSM.
>
> (3) Volunteers could select one of those HLZs and conduct a ground-truth 
> survey, following a script (that I would develop).
>
> (4) Those surveys would be uploaded to OSM and validated.
>
> (5) the Helicopter mission planners and aircrews could use those surveys to 
> select the best zones for disaster relief operations.
>
> I am looking at using the towns of Honokaa and Waimea on the northern end of 
> the Big Island of Hawaii as my study area, as I live close by, and I have the 
> local Community Emergency Response Team (volunteers) willing to support.
>
> Who do I need to talk to about getting HOT permission to conduct a limited 
> objective study in this area?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Keith Darby
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Re: [HOT] Surveying Helicopter Landing Zones (HLZs)

[Denis Carriere]

I agree with John, this type of data needs to be collected from a trusted
source, reliable, consistent & complete (nation wide coverage).

The encryption with public & private key might be a bit too much, but as
long as the data can be used in an offline environment via a mobile
application.

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*GIS Software & Systems Specialist*

*Twitter: @DenisCarriere *
*OSM: DenisCarriere *
GitHub: DenisCarriere 
Email: carriere.de...@gmail.com

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:01 AM, john whelan  wrote:

> I think there is a slight problem in that for operational use you need a
> trusted source and HOT as it stands with new mappers using iD isn't really
> that.
>
> I would suggest that one way to make it a little more bullet proof would
> be to include a tag, website perhaps that pointed to a read only web site
> under someone's control that confirmed the location and attributes.
>
> There are other methods encryption would be one, two key public and
> private.  The site would get a benediction and a encrypted key with
> location and attributes would be added that way you wouldn't need an
> internet connection.
>
> There are actually a number of places where this would be of value in OSM
> so if we can come up with a process it could be applied a little more
> generally.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 7 November 2016 at 10:29, Denis Carriere 
> wrote:
>
>> During the Nepal earthquake relief effort, mapping HLZs (Helicopter
>> Landing Zones) did not seem very coordinated, many factors need to be taken
>> into consideration to properly define a HLZ. I can confirm that very little
>> of the OpenStreetMap HLZ data was not used for any mission planning by any
>> NGO, Government or UN aid during my time in Nepal.
>>
>> However, it would be great to open this type of discussion with
>> organizations that actively fly helicopters & planes within these affected
>> areas. Most of these organizations already have a their own HLZ data with
>> tons of precise attributes associated with the particular HLZ & terrain
>> data.
>>
>> Before any mapping happens, we should properly define a HLZ OSM Wiki page
>> to clearly define how to map an HLZ.
>>
>> https://gist.github.com/aaronpdennis/b4ce2012749bb025b886 (Humanitarian
>> purposed tags)
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Helicopter_landing_zone (Not defined)
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency:helipad (Not defined)
>>
>> *@MAF & @MountainChild @KLL: *It would be great to have your input on
>> this topic.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> *~~*
>> *Denis Carriere*
>> *GIS Software & Systems Specialist*
>>
>> *Twitter: @DenisCarriere *
>> *OSM: DenisCarriere *
>> GitHub: DenisCarriere 
>> Email: carriere.de...@gmail.com
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 7:11 AM, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM <
>> blake.girar...@hotosm.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Keith,
>>>
>>> I worked a lot on this issue during the Nepal 2015 response.
>>>
>>> What you propose sounds great. We had a lot of difficulty trying to do
>>> this via the tasking manager for several reasons.
>>>
>>> I would love to speak with you more about it, maybe we could chat via
>>> skype.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Blake
>>> 
>>> Blake Girardot
>>> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
>>> President, HOT Board of Directors
>>> skype: jblakegirardot
>>> HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Keith Darby  wrote:
>>> > All:
>>> >
>>> > I am a retired Marine Corps Helicopter Pilot, and a current Masters
>>> Candidate in GIS Technologies at USC.
>>> >
>>> > I am working on my thesis, which is based on the premise that
>>> crowd-sourced geospatial information, if properly structured, could aid
>>> aircrews in surveying potential HLZs for disaster response.
>>> >
>>> > The work flow would be as follows:
>>> >
>>> > (1) Helicopter planners and aircrews would select potential HLZs in a
>>> disaster-affected region, using whatever mission planning GISystem at their
>>> disposal (normally baed on remote sensing data)
>>> >
>>> > (2) Those proposed HLZs would be uploaded to OSM.
>>> >
>>> > (3) Volunteers could select one of those HLZs and conduct a
>>> ground-truth survey, following a script (that I would develop).
>>> >
>>> > (4) Those surveys would be uploaded to OSM and validated.
>>> >
>>> > (5) the Helicopter mission planners and aircrews could use those
>>> surveys to select the best zones for disaster relief operations.
>>> >
>>> > I am looking at using the towns of Honokaa and Waimea on the northern
>>> end of the Big Island of Hawaii as my study area, as I live close by, and I
>>> have the local Community Emergency Response Team (volunteers) willing to
>>> support.
>>> >
>>> > Who do I need to talk to about getting H

Re: [HOT] Surveying Helicopter Landing Zones (HLZs)

[john whelan]

I think there is a slight problem in that for operational use you need a
trusted source and HOT as it stands with new mappers using iD isn't really
that.

I would suggest that one way to make it a little more bullet proof would be
to include a tag, website perhaps that pointed to a read only web site
under someone's control that confirmed the location and attributes.

There are other methods encryption would be one, two key public and
private.  The site would get a benediction and a encrypted key with
location and attributes would be added that way you wouldn't need an
internet connection.

There are actually a number of places where this would be of value in OSM
so if we can come up with a process it could be applied a little more
generally.

Cheerio John

On 7 November 2016 at 10:29, Denis Carriere 
wrote:

> During the Nepal earthquake relief effort, mapping HLZs (Helicopter
> Landing Zones) did not seem very coordinated, many factors need to be taken
> into consideration to properly define a HLZ. I can confirm that very little
> of the OpenStreetMap HLZ data was not used for any mission planning by any
> NGO, Government or UN aid during my time in Nepal.
>
> However, it would be great to open this type of discussion with
> organizations that actively fly helicopters & planes within these affected
> areas. Most of these organizations already have a their own HLZ data with
> tons of precise attributes associated with the particular HLZ & terrain
> data.
>
> Before any mapping happens, we should properly define a HLZ OSM Wiki page
> to clearly define how to map an HLZ.
>
> https://gist.github.com/aaronpdennis/b4ce2012749bb025b886 (Humanitarian
> purposed tags)
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Helicopter_landing_zone (Not defined)
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency:helipad (Not defined)
>
> *@MAF & @MountainChild @KLL: *It would be great to have your input on
> this topic.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> *~~*
> *Denis Carriere*
> *GIS Software & Systems Specialist*
>
> *Twitter: @DenisCarriere *
> *OSM: DenisCarriere *
> GitHub: DenisCarriere 
> Email: carriere.de...@gmail.com
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 7:11 AM, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM <
> blake.girar...@hotosm.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Keith,
>>
>> I worked a lot on this issue during the Nepal 2015 response.
>>
>> What you propose sounds great. We had a lot of difficulty trying to do
>> this via the tasking manager for several reasons.
>>
>> I would love to speak with you more about it, maybe we could chat via
>> skype.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Blake
>> 
>> Blake Girardot
>> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
>> President, HOT Board of Directors
>> skype: jblakegirardot
>> HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Keith Darby  wrote:
>> > All:
>> >
>> > I am a retired Marine Corps Helicopter Pilot, and a current Masters
>> Candidate in GIS Technologies at USC.
>> >
>> > I am working on my thesis, which is based on the premise that
>> crowd-sourced geospatial information, if properly structured, could aid
>> aircrews in surveying potential HLZs for disaster response.
>> >
>> > The work flow would be as follows:
>> >
>> > (1) Helicopter planners and aircrews would select potential HLZs in a
>> disaster-affected region, using whatever mission planning GISystem at their
>> disposal (normally baed on remote sensing data)
>> >
>> > (2) Those proposed HLZs would be uploaded to OSM.
>> >
>> > (3) Volunteers could select one of those HLZs and conduct a
>> ground-truth survey, following a script (that I would develop).
>> >
>> > (4) Those surveys would be uploaded to OSM and validated.
>> >
>> > (5) the Helicopter mission planners and aircrews could use those
>> surveys to select the best zones for disaster relief operations.
>> >
>> > I am looking at using the towns of Honokaa and Waimea on the northern
>> end of the Big Island of Hawaii as my study area, as I live close by, and I
>> have the local Community Emergency Response Team (volunteers) willing to
>> support.
>> >
>> > Who do I need to talk to about getting HOT permission to conduct a
>> limited objective study in this area?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Keith Darby
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Re: [HOT] Surveying Helicopter Landing Zones (HLZs)

[Denis Carriere]

During the Nepal earthquake relief effort, mapping HLZs (Helicopter Landing
Zones) did not seem very coordinated, many factors need to be taken into
consideration to properly define a HLZ. I can confirm that very little of
the OpenStreetMap HLZ data was not used for any mission planning by any
NGO, Government or UN aid during my time in Nepal.

However, it would be great to open this type of discussion with
organizations that actively fly helicopters & planes within these affected
areas. Most of these organizations already have a their own HLZ data with
tons of precise attributes associated with the particular HLZ & terrain
data.

Before any mapping happens, we should properly define a HLZ OSM Wiki page
to clearly define how to map an HLZ.

https://gist.github.com/aaronpdennis/b4ce2012749bb025b886 (Humanitarian
purposed tags)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Helicopter_landing_zone (Not defined)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency:helipad (Not defined)

*@MAF & @MountainChild @KLL: *It would be great to have your input on this
topic.

Cheers,


*~~*
*Denis Carriere*
*GIS Software & Systems Specialist*

*Twitter: @DenisCarriere *
*OSM: DenisCarriere *
GitHub: DenisCarriere 
Email: carriere.de...@gmail.com

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 7:11 AM, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM <
blake.girar...@hotosm.org> wrote:

> Hi Keith,
>
> I worked a lot on this issue during the Nepal 2015 response.
>
> What you propose sounds great. We had a lot of difficulty trying to do
> this via the tasking manager for several reasons.
>
> I would love to speak with you more about it, maybe we could chat via
> skype.
>
> Cheers,
> Blake
> 
> Blake Girardot
> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
> President, HOT Board of Directors
> skype: jblakegirardot
> HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Keith Darby  wrote:
> > All:
> >
> > I am a retired Marine Corps Helicopter Pilot, and a current Masters
> Candidate in GIS Technologies at USC.
> >
> > I am working on my thesis, which is based on the premise that
> crowd-sourced geospatial information, if properly structured, could aid
> aircrews in surveying potential HLZs for disaster response.
> >
> > The work flow would be as follows:
> >
> > (1) Helicopter planners and aircrews would select potential HLZs in a
> disaster-affected region, using whatever mission planning GISystem at their
> disposal (normally baed on remote sensing data)
> >
> > (2) Those proposed HLZs would be uploaded to OSM.
> >
> > (3) Volunteers could select one of those HLZs and conduct a ground-truth
> survey, following a script (that I would develop).
> >
> > (4) Those surveys would be uploaded to OSM and validated.
> >
> > (5) the Helicopter mission planners and aircrews could use those surveys
> to select the best zones for disaster relief operations.
> >
> > I am looking at using the towns of Honokaa and Waimea on the northern
> end of the Big Island of Hawaii as my study area, as I live close by, and I
> have the local Community Emergency Response Team (volunteers) willing to
> support.
> >
> > Who do I need to talk to about getting HOT permission to conduct a
> limited objective study in this area?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
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Re: [HOT] Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] Alternative imagery project 2102

[Chad Blevins]

Hi everyone,

Thanks for the note, I created task 2102 and also provided the
additional imagery service.  Unfortunately certain areas of the custom
image service are offset from Bing and existing OSM data.  For this
reason I purposely didn't load the custom service into the task, but
offered it in the instructions to supplement clouds, etc.  These tasks
are designed to get new mappers involved with OSM.  Offset imagery
significantly raises the bar of entry and can introduce data quality
issues.

I've since noticed areas with significant change (buildings, trees,
etc.) between the two images.  The service I provided is several years
newer than Bing.  This highlights one major challenge with introducing
new imagery in OSM.  It would be great if traced features were
automatically tagged with the date/year of the service used.

Before creating a custom service I check Bing for date/year, cloud
cover, and quality.  If Mapbox isn't a good supplement then I search
for other scenes from the DG archive, and do my best to find a recent
cloud free scene that aligns with Bing.  I'm open to suggestions on
the best way to proceed.

Thanks,
Chad



> On Nov 7, 2016, at 7:21 AM, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM 
>  wrote:
>
> Hi Joost, Mike, Daniel,
>
> Joost is of course correct. In looking at the project in the TM, it is
> not clear which imagery should be preferred for mapping, it might be
> on purpose the other imagery is not in the imagery field.
>
> I sent an email via OSM to the project creator to see if we can
> clarify the instructions a bit and put the other imagery in the
> imagery field if it should be used.
>
> Thank you for pointing it out Daniel.
>
> Regards,
> Blake
> 
> Blake Girardot
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>
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:32 AM, joost schouppe
>  wrote:
>> That shouldn't be necessary though.
>>
>> When you set up a task in the tasking manager, there is a tab to set the
>> background imagery. Doing this ensures the custom imagery is loaded as
>> default in ID. I don't know who managed the task, but they should be
>> informed that this is a really useful thing to do.
>>
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[HOT] Technical Working Group meeting today Monday, Nov.7, 15:00 UTC/GMT

[Blake Girardot]

Hi all,

There is a Technical Working Group meeting today in a few hours.
Anyone interested in the backend part of HOT, coding, servers,
application testing, etc is encouraged to attend. Tech WG meetings are
via good, old, IRC :)

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IRC

If you can not attend, but are still interested, please just email me directly.

Our agenda is here:
https://hackpad.com/TWG-Meeting-11.2016-F1e6EXk65hE (pretty full)

All of HOT's Working Groups are open for anyone to participate in and
contribute to, the full calendar of WG meetings is here:
https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=hotosm.org_848e89aaiab04ag94d23rqn...@group.calendar.google.com

Everyone is invited to drop in and say hello to any working group
meeting to see how they can participate. Just email me or this list if
you need more details on any working group. Always a work in progress,
the wiki description of the working groups is a good place to find out
more, but can sometimes be a bit out of date:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Working_groups

Cheers,
Blake

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Re: [HOT] Surveying Helicopter Landing Zones (HLZs)

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Hi Keith,

I worked a lot on this issue during the Nepal 2015 response.

What you propose sounds great. We had a lot of difficulty trying to do
this via the tasking manager for several reasons.

I would love to speak with you more about it, maybe we could chat via skype.

Cheers,
Blake

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President, HOT Board of Directors
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On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Keith Darby  wrote:
> All:
>
> I am a retired Marine Corps Helicopter Pilot, and a current Masters Candidate 
> in GIS Technologies at USC.
>
> I am working on my thesis, which is based on the premise that crowd-sourced 
> geospatial information, if properly structured, could aid aircrews in 
> surveying potential HLZs for disaster response.
>
> The work flow would be as follows:
>
> (1) Helicopter planners and aircrews would select potential HLZs in a 
> disaster-affected region, using whatever mission planning GISystem at their 
> disposal (normally baed on remote sensing data)
>
> (2) Those proposed HLZs would be uploaded to OSM.
>
> (3) Volunteers could select one of those HLZs and conduct a ground-truth 
> survey, following a script (that I would develop).
>
> (4) Those surveys would be uploaded to OSM and validated.
>
> (5) the Helicopter mission planners and aircrews could use those surveys to 
> select the best zones for disaster relief operations.
>
> I am looking at using the towns of Honokaa and Waimea on the northern end of 
> the Big Island of Hawaii as my study area, as I live close by, and I have the 
> local Community Emergency Response Team (volunteers) willing to support.
>
> Who do I need to talk to about getting HOT permission to conduct a limited 
> objective study in this area?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Keith Darby
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Re: [HOT] Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] Alternative imagery project 2102

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Hi Joost, Mike, Daniel,

Joost is of course correct. In looking at the project in the TM, it is
not clear which imagery should be preferred for mapping, it might be
on purpose the other imagery is not in the imagery field.

I sent an email via OSM to the project creator to see if we can
clarify the instructions a bit and put the other imagery in the
imagery field if it should be used.

Thank you for pointing it out Daniel.

Regards,
Blake

Blake Girardot
Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
skype: jblakegirardot
HOT Core Team Contact: i...@hotosm.org


On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:32 AM, joost schouppe
 wrote:
> That shouldn't be necessary though.
>
> When you set up a task in the tasking manager, there is a tab to set the
> background imagery. Doing this ensures the custom imagery is loaded as
> default in ID. I don't know who managed the task, but they should be
> informed that this is a really useful thing to do.
>
>
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Re: [HOT] Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] Alternative imagery project 2102

[joost schouppe]

That shouldn't be necessary though.

When you set up a task in the tasking manager, there is a tab to set the
background imagery. Doing this ensures the custom imagery is loaded as
default in ID. I don't know who managed the task, but they should be
informed that this is a really useful thing to do.
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Re: [HOT] Videos online

[Milo van der Linden]

Ok, thank you.

2016-11-07 9:53 GMT+01:00 Nate Smith :

> Hi Milo - yes, there are a few videos that are not online yet. We’re
> waiting for those videos to be finalized by the video production company.
> They should be online this week.
>
> Nate
>
>
> Nate Smith
> @nas_smith 
>
> On November 7, 2016 at 9:07:57 AM, Milo van der Linden (m...@dogodigi.net)
> wrote:
>
> Yesterday, in weeklyosm, I read that the videos from the summit are
> online. I am however still missing the video from my talk. Any estimate on
> when all videos will be available?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Milo
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Re: [HOT] Videos online

[Nate Smith]

Hi Milo - yes, there are a few videos that are not online yet. We’re
waiting for those videos to be finalized by the video production company.
They should be online this week.

Nate


Nate Smith
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On November 7, 2016 at 9:07:57 AM, Milo van der Linden (m...@dogodigi.net)
wrote:

Yesterday, in weeklyosm, I read that the videos from the summit are online.
I am however still missing the video from my talk. Any estimate on when all
videos will be available?

Kind regards,

Milo


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[HOT] Videos online

[Milo van der Linden]

Yesterday, in weeklyosm, I read that the videos from the summit are online.
I am however still missing the video from my talk. Any estimate on when all
videos will be available?

Kind regards,

Milo
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