Re: Weirdest. Acquisition. Ever. Broadcom buys CA Technologies . The Register

2018-07-13 Thread Hobart Spitz
I think there are positive ways to view this.

   - According to one report Broadcom has a history of buying troubled
   companies and turning them around.
   - If prices go up, some sites will be forced to drop products that are
   not used much, or are otherwise not earning their keep, in favor of
   alternatives.  This would, IMHO, strengthen the quality of competitors'
   offerings, since there is more potential cash flow at higher prices.


OREXXMan
JCL is the buggy whip of 21st century computing.  Stabilize it.
Put Pipelines in the z/OS base.  Would you rather process data one
character at a time (Unix/C style), or one record at a time?
IBM has been looking for an HLL for program products; REXX is that language.

On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Mike Shaw 
wrote:

> On 7/13/2018 8:45 AM, Phil Smith III wrote:
> 
>
>>
>> Goal was acquired by Legent, which itself was formed when Morino
>> Associates
>> and Duquesne Systems merged. They didn't use my suggested name for that
>> merger: Dorito.
>>
>> I was at Morino Associates when the merger with Duquesne and subsequent
> renaming to 'Legent' occurred. 'Legent' is just an anagram of 'Gentle'; the
> rumor was that the company paid $100k to some firm to come up with that
> name and the new 'skid mark' Legent logo...
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Re: [External] Re: Weirdest. Acquisition. Ever. Broadcom buys CA Technologies . The Register

2018-07-13 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 13:36:59 +, Pommier, Rex wrote:

>I was confronted with a letter that started with "Thank you for 
>being an alpha test site for our product".

Phil Payne is gone, and so is his web site, but it lives on at the 
wayback machine. His Devils IT dictionary at
http://web.archive.org/web/20160304181947/http://www.isham-research.co.uk/dd.html

has this to say:


alpha release
n. The venture capitalists have threatened to cut the money unless we ship 
something
...
beta release
n. Still doesn't work, but the alpha release didn't convince the VCs and we 
need the revenue stream.


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Re: Weirdest. Acquisition. Ever. Broadcom buys CA Technologies . The Register

2018-07-13 Thread Mike Shaw

On 7/13/2018 8:45 AM, Phil Smith III wrote:



Goal was acquired by Legent, which itself was formed when Morino Associates
and Duquesne Systems merged. They didn't use my suggested name for that
merger: Dorito.

I was at Morino Associates when the merger with Duquesne and subsequent 
renaming to 'Legent' occurred. 'Legent' is just an anagram of 'Gentle'; 
the rumor was that the company paid $100k to some firm to come up with 
that name and the new 'skid mark' Legent logo...


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Re: [External] Re: Weirdest. Acquisition. Ever. Broadcom buys CA Technologies . The Register

2018-07-13 Thread Pommier, Rex
At a former site, we had a CA product called RAPS (which apparently doesn't 
exist anymore for z/OS) for report distribution.  When I opened the package to 
install it, I was confronted with a letter that started with "Thank you for 
being an alpha test site for our product".  We decided to install it anyway and 
went through the pain of debugging their code multiple times.  After fighting 
it for 2-3 years (it kind of worked...) we threw it out and went with a 
competitor.  Knowing CA's penchant for buying up the competition we had the 
follow-on vendor give us a signed agreement that if they were ever acquired by 
CA they would supply us the source code for their entire product and allow us 
to take over maintenance and keep away from CA.  Fortunately we never had to 
use that clause in the contract.

Rex

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And Cybermation.  Company I worked for was getting rid of CA products and
CA-11 and Jobtrac were up.  Migrated to Cybermation's ESP and Encore only to
have CA buy them about 6 months after the conversion completed.  

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Wayne Bickerdike wrote, in part, re CA:

>Over the years they also swallowed Pansophic, Platinum, the IDMS guys

>(Cullinane/Cullinet?) and lots of others. Not sure what happened to 
>Goal

>Systems, they had some good stuff too.

 

Goal was acquired by Legent, which itself was formed when Morino Associates
and Duquesne Systems merged. They didn't use my suggested name for that
merger: Dorito.

 

Then CA bought Legent a few years later. And don't forget Sterling
Software-at the time, the largest software deal ever. All gone, all dust. 


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Re: Weirdest. Acquisition. Ever. Broadcom buys CA Technologies • The Register

2018-07-13 Thread Jackson, Rob
Both of my former lives we went through the same thing with CA; in the end the 
will was never there.  Here in my third life we went through the same 
inflexibility and insanity with them, and we made the same threats, but this 
time we followed through on it.  We have been CA-free since March of 2016.  
TSS, CA-1, Balance, Allocate, and a bunch of others, all gone, and man is it 
nice.

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I seem to recall a (probably apocryphal) story about a data centre manager who 
had an argument with CA and vowed to rid his site of all CA products as a 
result.
After three tries he gave up..

Sean

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Re: Weirdest. Acquisition. Ever. Broadcom buys CA Technologies . The Register

2018-07-13 Thread Chuck Kreiter
And Cybermation.  Company I worked for was getting rid of CA products and
CA-11 and Jobtrac were up.  Migrated to Cybermation's ESP and Encore only to
have CA buy them about 6 months after the conversion completed.  

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The Register

Wayne Bickerdike wrote, in part, re CA:

>Over the years they also swallowed Pansophic, Platinum, the IDMS guys

>(Cullinane/Cullinet?) and lots of others. Not sure what happened to 
>Goal

>Systems, they had some good stuff too.

 

Goal was acquired by Legent, which itself was formed when Morino Associates
and Duquesne Systems merged. They didn't use my suggested name for that
merger: Dorito.

 

Then CA bought Legent a few years later. And don't forget Sterling
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Re: Weirdest. Acquisition. Ever. Broadcom buys CA Technologies . The Register

2018-07-13 Thread Phil Smith III
Wayne Bickerdike wrote, in part, re CA:

>Over the years they also swallowed Pansophic, Platinum, the IDMS guys

>(Cullinane/Cullinet?) and lots of others. Not sure what happened to Goal

>Systems, they had some good stuff too.

 

Goal was acquired by Legent, which itself was formed when Morino Associates
and Duquesne Systems merged. They didn't use my suggested name for that
merger: Dorito.

 

Then CA bought Legent a few years later. And don't forget Sterling
Software-at the time, the largest software deal ever. All gone, all dust. 


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Re: Weirdest. Acquisition. Ever. Broadcom buys CA Technologies • The Register

2018-07-13 Thread Sean Gleann
I seem to recall a (probably apocryphal) story about a data centre manager
who had an argument with CA and vowed to rid his site of all CA products as
a result.
After three tries he gave up..

Sean

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Re: Weirdest. Acquisition. Ever. Broadcom buys CA Technologies • The Register

2018-07-12 Thread Windt, W.K.F. van der (Fred)
Your licensing fees will probably double next year...

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Re: Weirdest. Acquisition. Ever. Broadcom buys CA Technologies • The Register

2018-07-12 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
Hmm Goal systems will now be Broadcom. Time to FLEE, FLIC or just FLIM FLAM?


On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Wayne Bickerdike 
wrote:

> What happens to CA-World? Now that was always a great party, New Orleans,
> Orlando, Las Vegas. Helped a boy from the other side of the world explore
> "culture".
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Wayne Bickerdike 
> wrote:
>
>> This is a bigger WTF? than 1989 when CA bought the ADR pieces that I
>> think AT&T owned.
>>
>> We had just signed up for ADR-Datacom/DB and IDEAL and we were used to
>> the CA way of not doing things. Looking back CA managed to keep the best
>> ADR guys and lots of them are still there.
>>
>> Over the years they also swallowed Pansophic, Platinum, the IDMS guys
>> (Cullinane/Cullinet?) and lots of others. Not sure what happened to Goal
>> Systems, they had some good stuff too.
>>
>> I probably missed hundreds but the ones dear to my career didn't bite too
>> much. (apart from a court case we lost, LOL).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 7:39 AM, Charles Mills  wrote:
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>>> Are they integrated better now?
>>>
>>> Charles
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>>> • The Register
>>>
>>> Hmm. We have a few CA products, but our entire enterprise is constructed
>>> around Brocade switches. Oh my.
>>>
>>> .
>>> .
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>>> Southern California Edison Company
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Re: Weirdest. Acquisition. Ever. Broadcom buys CA Technologies • The Register

2018-07-12 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
What happens to CA-World? Now that was always a great party, New Orleans,
Orlando, Las Vegas. Helped a boy from the other side of the world explore
"culture".

On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Wayne Bickerdike 
wrote:

> This is a bigger WTF? than 1989 when CA bought the ADR pieces that I think
> AT&T owned.
>
> We had just signed up for ADR-Datacom/DB and IDEAL and we were used to the
> CA way of not doing things. Looking back CA managed to keep the best ADR
> guys and lots of them are still there.
>
> Over the years they also swallowed Pansophic, Platinum, the IDMS guys
> (Cullinane/Cullinet?) and lots of others. Not sure what happened to Goal
> Systems, they had some good stuff too.
>
> I probably missed hundreds but the ones dear to my career didn't bite too
> much. (apart from a court case we lost, LOL).
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 7:39 AM, Charles Mills  wrote:
>
>> Are they integrated better now?
>>
>> Charles
>>
>>
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>> Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson
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>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Weirdest. Acquisition. Ever. Broadcom buys CA Technologies •
>> The Register
>>
>> Hmm. We have a few CA products, but our entire enterprise is constructed
>> around Brocade switches. Oh my.
>>
>> .
>> .
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>> Southern California Edison Company
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Re: Weirdest. Acquisition. Ever. Broadcom buys CA Technologies • The Register

2018-07-12 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
This is a bigger WTF? than 1989 when CA bought the ADR pieces that I think
AT&T owned.

We had just signed up for ADR-Datacom/DB and IDEAL and we were used to the
CA way of not doing things. Looking back CA managed to keep the best ADR
guys and lots of them are still there.

Over the years they also swallowed Pansophic, Platinum, the IDMS guys
(Cullinane/Cullinet?) and lots of others. Not sure what happened to Goal
Systems, they had some good stuff too.

I probably missed hundreds but the ones dear to my career didn't bite too
much. (apart from a court case we lost, LOL).



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> Are they integrated better now?
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> Charles
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> The Register
>
> Hmm. We have a few CA products, but our entire enterprise is constructed
> around Brocade switches. Oh my.
>
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Re: Weirdest. Acquisition. Ever. Broadcom buys CA Technologies • The Register

2018-07-12 Thread Charles Mills
Are they integrated better now?

Charles


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Hmm. We have a few CA products, but our entire enterprise is constructed around 
Brocade switches. Oh my. 

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Re: Weirdest. Acquisition. Ever. Broadcom buys CA Technologies • The Register

2018-07-12 Thread Longabaugh, Robert E
Before CA, I worked for the telephone company that bought ADR and then sold it 
to CA two years later.

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Re: Weirdest. Acquisition. Ever. Broadcom buys CA Technologies • The Register

2018-07-12 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
Hmm. We have a few CA products, but our entire enterprise is constructed around 
Brocade switches. Oh my. 

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Technologies • The Register

$19bn to meld chipmaker and software museum into mission-critical amalgam

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/12/broadcom_ca_technologies/


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Fwd: Weirdest. Acquisition. Ever. Broadcom buys CA Technologies • The Register

2018-07-12 Thread Mark Regan
$19bn to meld chipmaker and software museum into mission-critical amalgam

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/12/broadcom_ca_technologies/

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