Re: [IceHorses] Weight-Carrying Ability
>>>Don't the extra horses still have to cover the same amount of > ground? How much easier for them do you suppose it is to cover say 25 > miles > unencumbered as compared to traveling the same amount of miles with a > rider? Interesting questions! It has to be easier to go without a rider. I think the rider impacts the horse quite a bit, particularly if the rider is leaning back, and balancing on the rein. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Seller claims
On 31/07/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > isnt that despicable?? And shows no regard whatsoever for the horse > involved. no wonder so many horses end up rehabs or worse! > janice That's why I really admire breeders that maintain their integrity and tell it like it is, even if if means losing a sale that day... Word gets around as far as who can be trusted to deal with you straight up, as well as the other side of the coin, where trouble and bad deals seem to follow them no matter where they go. Wanda
[IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
> Have we heard a trainer, breeder, or seller of Icelandic Horses claim that > the horses can carry a 300 lb man all day? > Here is a quote from a riding tour advertisement: "The height of Icelandic Horses is 13 - 14.2 hands. These small but strong horses can easily carry a rider up to 250 lbs."
Re: [IceHorses] Seller claims
On 7/31/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > His answer: "Well, how big did > you want her to be?" > > I have always thought that was the classic horse dealer answer. He'd > probably have claimed she would carry 300 lbs if I had asked. > > Nancy > isnt that despicable?? And shows no regard whatsoever for the horse involved. no wonder so many horses end up rehabs or worse! janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] The Nature of Icelandics
On 7/30/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You need to expose yourself to Icelandic mares. > > I think Icelandics are generally quiet in herds, but some can do injury to > newcomers! > I have known some cool mares, but I have never been around one that was bland and sweet as a gelding can be :) I'm sure they exist haha. But I feel like mares are like female dogs... in my years of dog ownership I have found that males are doofus and happy and loving while females are smart and clever. I prefer female dogs. I have had male dogs and have one now and he is so sweet and funny but all my female dogs are just off the chart smart. and I have never seen a "shut down" mare. I have seen mares that were so dang mean they were literally night-mares and I have seen some so tolerant of a horrible life it was just heartbreaking. but i havent seen any that just stood blank like living death the way some mistreated geldings do. but usually when a mare gets too mean to ride they turn her into a brood mare, maybe thats why you dont see so many that are destroyed spirits. but altho i have seen mares I admire, I have never "connected" instantly with one whereas I have many times with geldings and studs. I have seen a glimmer in there with shut down geldings and somehow connected, but most mares will just stand firm and wait til you go away instead of responding to any attempts at connection. it could be cool to connect that way with a mare tho, because like some people are "hard to get" it can be very meaningful to crack thru a little barrier... anyway. just mare musings :) i think a mare around here would bring poor ol gallant boy back to life and then oh lord what would I do with a ranting stallion around :) The last month or so, even tho he is still a bag of bones, he has started acting more frisky and cocky. He won't let me lead him in from pasture anymore. He sees me coming and gallops in himself thankyou, goes straight to his feed bucket like "i dont need no woman telling me what to do" :) lord, he'll probably live forever now. he eats like a horse. or three horses, just to maintain his trim 300 pounds underweightedness.. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
On 7/31/07, dawn_atherton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Have we heard a trainer, breeder, or seller of Icelandic Horses claim > that the horses can carry a 300 lb man all day? > > ---No, I haven't. > > > Is this true? > > ---No, it's not. > > > Is it logical? > > ---No, it's not. > > Dawn Bruin-Slot > Fuzzy Logic Equine > this brings up an interesting point i think. Seems to me a lot of misinformation comes from a small handful of sources and is accepted broadly as fact when its not. I for instance bought my icelandic from a small breeder/trainer/seller of icelandic horses. She didn't give me any of these broad based myths as facts. The only person from iceland that i have ever "talked" to is a person who owns trains icelandics in a wonderful natural horsemanship manner and has never offered any of this misinformation as credible, in fact thinks most of it is pretty ridiculous as I do. So where is it coming from? There are so few icelandic breeders/trainers/sellers who put out any information to the public at large about the breed. Relatively there are very few people in the US who actually travel to iceland and talk to breeders/sellers/trainers there. so who puts all this wrong stuff out there?? Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Arena Lighting
I have a "safety lite" in the yard that we pay 5 bucks a month for to the power company. But on a full moon you can see catalina island from my porch. haha just kidding. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Weight-Carrying Ability
even if a horse can carry 300 pounds, and even if they could carry it all day without harm, i KNOW most cannot ride balanced at that weight. I only say "most" because I know if i say "all" someone will come up with "I had my great uncle roscoe who weighed 450 and rode at Tevis three years straight on our Mini marec buttercup", never fails, then instead of really talking about whats important, the weight bearing limits of icelandics, it morphs into "there was once a man in a village i once passed thru when i was 8 years old who could ride standing in the saddle on his one wooden leg, his name was fred, it was in barcelona, i believe" then someone else says "I have been to barcelona many times, its lovely there" then someone says "I had an uncle named FRED! oh my GOSH!" then another "my uncle named fred had ricketts". Then someone says "I have never actually heard any icelander personally say from their own lips that they had any uncles named fred so they must not actually exist altho I have seen on maps there is a country named barcelona so i suspect, altho i am not completely 100% certain since no icelander ever told me themselves, that barcelona could possibly exist" in the mean time all over the planet 350-400 people are hefting themselves up onto little icelandic ponies with cranes and forklifts and riding them helter skelter over hill and dale, tolting fiendishly, yee ha! yee ha! slapping crops and throwing their hats in the air. then after several have broken their necks someone comes on here and says icelandics cant carry 300 pound people even if a 300 pound person COULD ride without breaking their neck at the least spook, tho icelanders wanting to sell horses say they can, (and also that icelandics, not one ever, has ever spooked) then someone says that it has to be true if an icelander said it but they personally never heard an icelander say it with their own lips so they doubt any icelander ever said it (how many icelanders do they know, one maybe two?) My husband weighs a lot, i dont know how much but its at least 270 maybe. according to the 1/3 their weight formula his horse should carry him, but his horse has to stagger for balance when he first mounts and when other horses are not worn out on a ride, his is. So the 1/3 their weight doesnt work either. I have a horse that weighs 1300 on tape and he carries my husband as if no one is up there. and he is 17hh. maybe height has something to do with it too. But he seems unaffected by carrying a lot of weight, but then when my husband rides the ride is short, rarely more than an hour, and the ride is at a gentle pace usually during the cool early morning hours. if a rider is heavy they should ask the horse. A horse gives many many obvious signs when a rider weighs too much. The most obvious one--- altho they are a horse that will stand for mounting they MUST take a step or two to regain balance when a too-heavy person mounts and they sway, and sometimes their rear end will give away a little as they step to regain balance. Also excessive sweatiness and exertion on a ride when all other horses are dry and not breathing hard. then later on- a wrecked back and pain issues such as bucking and bolting. janice-- sometimes i just get exasperated and impatient yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Seller claims
There used to be a guy near us who seemed to advertise quite a few horses for sale. I was looking for a large pony or small horse, had to be 14.2 or under because we wanted to show in pony hunters. He had a quarter horse mare advertised at 14.1 so I called him. On the phone, he said she was 14.3. I asked him about it because I didn't want to drive 25 miles to look at a too-big horse. His answer: "Well, how big did you want her to be?" I have always thought that was the classic horse dealer answer. He'd probably have claimed she would carry 300 lbs if I had asked. Nancy
[IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have we heard a trainer, breeder, or seller of Icelandic Horses claim that the horses can carry a 300 lb man all day? ---No, I haven't. > Is this true? ---No, it's not. > Is it logical? ---No, it's not. Dawn Bruin-Slot Fuzzy Logic Equine
RE: [IceHorses] Weight-Carrying Ability
That's just one instance; I believe it's been stated by other imported trainers with the amount at 250 lbs. I've noticed that the figure often inflates depending on the size of the sucker (uh, I mean buyer) they are talking to at the moment. When 235-pound Cary was the potential victim, the sellers told us they could easily carry 300 pounds. (Not Robyn, Christine or Anneliese, but the Icelanders.) I actually saw 400 pounds listed once. What kills me is that the show standards (FEIF) are encouraging folks to breed more refined horses, while many sellers are inflating the weight carrying ability of the breed. It simply can't work that way. Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] Weight-Carrying Ability
i've never heard an icelander make such claims. Melnir is one of my smaller Icelandics. He was just five when we got him, so he wasn't even fully physically mature. At the moment, I can't remember what he weight tapes now, but he was less than 700 when we got him. I explained his size to two Icelander trainers not long after we bought him, telling them we might later be looking for a horse suitable to carry Cary, who is 235 pounds. They said no problem, Melnir would have no problem carrying Cary. At five? No way was I going to let anyone so big ride him, and even now at nine, Cary doesn't ride him. I just stared at them and said I don't think so. Cary only rides our larger framed Icelandic horses, and is careful to condition them slowly. He doesn't ride the young ones until they've carried a smaller rider for a while. I think I remember that, at that time, Cary was about 35% of Melnir's weight. I personally like some of the more moderately-framed Icelandics - I feel like Melnir fits me (or maybe I fit him) better than about any horse (ok, pony) that I've ever ridden. But, I'm petite-framed, 5'0" tall, size 5.5-6 shoes, and a 6" wrist, even though I'm chubbier than I should be at 138 pounds. But, for a large man to ride him? Not my pony! Even though Melnir is fully mature now, I have been taking my time to condition him slowly to carry MY weight. It's just the nice thing to do. Karen Thomas, NC
