Re: Possible IMAP extension to monitor multiple folders with IDLE mechanism
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:40:28 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Mark Crispin wrote: What you're proposing is a concept called notifications. This has proven to be something in which people spend a lot talking about and very little time actually doing. Currently, there's some talk about notifications in the Lemonade working group. I wrote a prototype implementation of a notification system two years ago. It is quite good enough to do what you suggest, but it seems that the Lemonade folks want something far more featureful (read: complex). Is your prototype available somewhere for downloading? Miguel
Re: Possible IMAP extension to monitor multiple folders with IDLE mechanism
On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:03:23 +0200 Miguel Telleria de Esteban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:40:28 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Mark Crispin wrote: What you're proposing is a concept called notifications. This has proven to be something in which people spend a lot talking about and very little time actually doing. Currently, there's some talk about notifications in the Lemonade working group. After a quick search I have found the P-IMAP (Push-IMAP) draft: http://db.org/drafts/internet/maes/lemonade-p-imap/00/ (probably not a canonical place to store it). I found the document from the following place: http://db.org/blog/archive/2004/02/12/push-imap/ I wrote a prototype implementation of a notification system two years ago. It is quite good enough to do what you suggest, but it seems that the Lemonade folks want something far more featureful (read: complex). Indeed P-IMAP seems more complex that the simple notificatin mechanism. Is your prototype available somewhere for downloading? Still interested to take a look at it if possible. Regards, Miguel -- | (O-O) ---oOO-(_)-OOo- Miguel TELLERIA DE ESTEBAN Personal Homepage: Email: Miguel at mtelleria.com http://www.mtelleria.com Miembro de http://www.linuca.org Tel home: +32 2 280 1614 Membre de http://www.bxlug.be GSM: +32 497 038804 ---
Re: Possible IMAP extension to monitor multiple folders with IDLE mechanism
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Mark Crispin wrote: What you're proposing is a concept called notifications. This has proven to be something in which people spend a lot talking about and very little time actually doing. Currently, there's some talk about notifications in the Lemonade working group. At the LEMONADE Interim meeting, there was some discussion about what sort of notifications LEMONADE was working on -- it sounded much more like server-to-server notifications than server-to-client notifications, to avoid conflicting with other work that may or may not be going on in the area... -Rob -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Rob Siemborski | Andrew Systems Group * Research Systems Programmer PGP:0x5CE32FCC | Cyert Hall 207 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * 412.268.7456 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK Version: 3.12 GCS/IT/CM/PA d- s+: a-- C$ ULS$ P+++$ L+++ E W+ N(-) o? K- w-- O- M-- V-- PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP+ t+@ 5+++ X- R@ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++ h+ r- y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-
Possible IMAP extension to monitor multiple folders with IDLE mechanism
Dear all, I guess this question is a classic one but I am afraid I have not found a satisfying answer neither in the IMAP FAQ nor in the UW-IMAPD package documentation. What I would like to know is an effective way of monitoring a large number of folders under an IMAP tree without having to keep a TCP connection for each folder (as the commndmt.txt file suggests). Here is an scheme of my proposed solution: Mail deliveries from MTA's (e.g. sendmail) or MDA's (e.g. procmail) should be done either by an IMAP APPEND command or via a deamon direct delivery (such as tmail or dmail). Like this, all events, whether coming from a delivery or not, would be known by the daemon in realtime. The extension would make the IMAP server leave a message or send specific unsolicited data to client connections that have selected well-knownnotification folder and set themselves up in IDLE state. Therefore mail clients would need to do only 2 TCP connections. One to select the notifying folder permanently in IDLE mode (timeouts apart of course) and the other to go and check each modified folder. This is the grosso-modo the solution. I guess some synchronisation aspects should be work further. I imagine that such an idea must have had come up before. If it is the case, what were the result of previous discussions? Is there ideally an IETF draft foreseen?. Regards, Miguel Telleria -- | (O-O) ---oOO-(_)-OOo- Miguel TELLERIA DE ESTEBAN Personal Homepage: Email: Miguel at mtelleria.com http://www.mtelleria.com Miembro de http://www.linuca.org Tel home: +32 2 280 1614 Membre de http://www.bxlug.be GSM: +32 497 038804 --- -- - For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/imap/imap-list.html -
Re: Possible IMAP extension to monitor multiple folders with IDLE mechanism
What you're proposing is a concept called notifications. This has proven to be something in which people spend a lot talking about and very little time actually doing. Currently, there's some talk about notifications in the Lemonade working group. I wrote a prototype implementation of a notification system two years ago. It is quite good enough to do what you suggest, but it seems that the Lemonade folks want something far more featureful (read: complex). -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. Si vis pacem, para bellum.
