Re: [kde-community] Proposal to change to kde.org/download text
El Dimarts, 8 de juliol de 2014, a les 19:55:12, John Layt va escriure: > Hi, > > [Posting to community rather than www or promo as it covers all 3 > areas and this seems the best place for bike-shedding without spam > cross-posting.] Seems you got mostly agreement. So where's the patch? Cheers, Albert ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Proposal to change to kde.org/download text
Am Dienstag, 08. Juli 2014, 20.55:12 schrieb John Layt: > Hi, Morning John > [Posting to community rather than www or promo as it covers all 3 > areas and this seems the best place for bike-shedding without spam > cross-posting.] ;-). Thanks for taking care of this thing. > I spent a couple of hours on the weekend trying to walk someone > through installing KDE on Windows. While there were several issues > with the KDE Windows Installer, an initial problem came with just > finding the installer. We started at http://www.kde.org/ and clicked > on the prominent "Get KDE Software" which led to > http://www.kde.org/download/ which is where we hit a solid wall of > text over more than one page. Eventually we found the link at the > bottom that took us to http://windows.kde.org/, and finally to > http://windows.kde.org/download.php. That's 4 clicks and a lot of > text to get through when we already knew what we wanted. > > The Download page seems to want to explain what KDE is before letting > you download stuff, but most people going to that page will have > decided they already want to try it and so we should just give them > the info they need most. We can explain KDE elsewhere. We also need > to use terminology that new users will understand, which means leaving > out unnecesary and confusing details. > > I'd like to propose the following text instead (links marked as ): > > [Begins] > > The KDE Community produces that can to be used on a > number of operating systems. This page details how to obtain KDE > Software on each of those platforms, but for best results we recommend > you run KDE Applications under KDE Plasma Workspace on Linux or BSD. > To obtain support for using KDE Software please visit the UserBase>. > > [h1] Supported Platforms > > [h2] Linux and BSD > > KDE Workspaces and KDE Applications are available for most BSD distributions> by using the distribution's software manager. For > more information please consult your distribution documentation or > user support forums. > > You can try out KDE Software on Linux without changing anything on > your computer by using a . > > [h2] Windows > > Many KDE Applications are available for Windows XP, Windows Vista and > Windows 7 using the . Some KDE Applications > are also available as . The level of Windows > support available may vary for individual applications. > > For more information visit the . > > [h2] Mac OS X > > Most KDE Applications are only available for Mac OS X by using the > , , or package managers. These > installation methods are not recommended for most users. Some KDE > Applications are also available as . KDE hopes > to provide more user-friendly installation methods in the future. > > For more information visit the . > > [h2] Source Packages > > All KDE Software is with the source code freely > available for anyone to download, modify, build, and distribute in > accordence with the terms of . You can obtain tarballs > for any release from our . > > For more information on building KDE Software from source visit the > . > > [h1] KDE Software > > [h2] KDE Applications > > The KDE Community develops a wide variety of which can > run under any supported operating system or desktop environment. > These may be released as part of the regularly scheduled KDE > Applications releases, or may be released independently. > > The latest release is which was > released on 10 June 2014. An idea: Couldn't we just link to the announcement page so we don't need to keep this page up to date. > [h2] KDE Plasma Workspaces > > The KDE Community develops Desktop, Netbook and Tablet workspaces for > use on Linux and BSD systems. > > The latest release is which was > released on 14 August 2013. This is a Long Term Support (LTS) release > that will be supported with bug-fixes until after the release of > Plasma 5. The most recent LTS bug-fix release is > which was released on 10 June 2014. Same here. The less dates we've the fewer of them become outdated. And there is already a big list of stuff to keep uptodate when doing a release. > [Add at Plasma 5] The Plasma 5.0 desktop was released on 7 July 2014. > While this is a stable release, it is not yet recommended for general > use. > > [h2] KDE Development Libraries > > The KDE Community develops many libraries and tools for software > developers which are used to build the KDE Applications and KDE > Workspaces. Other developers are free to use these for their own > applications under the terms of our licences. See the > for more details. > > The latest for use with Qt4 is 4.13.2> which was released on 10 June 2014. > > The latest for use with Qt5 is which > was released on 7 July 2014. And of course the same here. > [Ends] > > This may still need editing down, as the intent should be to fit on a > single page, or at least the platform download links section should. > The Windows and Mac details may be better placed on a separate wi
Re: [kde-community] Proposal to change to kde.org/download text
El Dimarts, 8 de juliol de 2014, a les 19:55:12, John Layt va escriure: > Hi, > > [Posting to community rather than www or promo as it covers all 3 > areas and this seems the best place for bike-shedding without spam > cross-posting.] > > I spent a couple of hours on the weekend trying to walk someone > through installing KDE on Windows. While there were several issues > with the KDE Windows Installer, an initial problem came with just > finding the installer. We started at http://www.kde.org/ and clicked > on the prominent "Get KDE Software" which led to > http://www.kde.org/download/ which is where we hit a solid wall of > text over more than one page. Eventually we found the link at the > bottom that took us to http://windows.kde.org/, and finally to > http://windows.kde.org/download.php. That's 4 clicks and a lot of > text to get through when we already knew what we wanted. > > The Download page seems to want to explain what KDE is before letting > you download stuff, but most people going to that page will have > decided they already want to try it and so we should just give them > the info they need most. We can explain KDE elsewhere. We also need > to use terminology that new users will understand, which means leaving > out unnecesary and confusing details. > > I'd like to propose the following text instead (links marked as ): > > [Begins] > > The KDE Community produces that can to be used on a > number of operating systems. This page details how to obtain KDE > Software on each of those platforms, but for best results we recommend > you run KDE Applications under KDE Plasma Workspace on Linux or BSD. > To obtain support for using KDE Software please visit the UserBase>. > > [h1] Supported Platforms > > [h2] Linux and BSD > > KDE Workspaces and KDE Applications are available for most BSD distributions> by using the distribution's software manager. For > more information please consult your distribution documentation or > user support forums. > > You can try out KDE Software on Linux without changing anything on > your computer by using a . > > [h2] Windows > > Many KDE Applications are available for Windows XP, Windows Vista and > Windows 7 using the . Some KDE Applications > are also available as . The level of Windows > support available may vary for individual applications. > > For more information visit the . > > [h2] Mac OS X > > Most KDE Applications are only available for Mac OS X by using the > , , or package managers. These > installation methods are not recommended for most users. Some KDE > Applications are also available as . KDE hopes > to provide more user-friendly installation methods in the future. > > For more information visit the . > > [h2] Source Packages > > All KDE Software is with the source code freely > available for anyone to download, modify, build, and distribute in > accordence with the terms of . You can obtain tarballs > for any release from our . > > For more information on building KDE Software from source visit the > . > > [h1] KDE Software > > [h2] KDE Applications > > The KDE Community develops a wide variety of which can > run under any supported operating system or desktop environment. > These may be released as part of the regularly scheduled KDE > Applications releases, or may be released independently. > > The latest release is which was > released on 10 June 2014. > > [h2] KDE Plasma Workspaces > > The KDE Community develops Desktop, Netbook and Tablet workspaces for > use on Linux and BSD systems. > > The latest release is which was > released on 14 August 2013. This is a Long Term Support (LTS) release > that will be supported with bug-fixes until after the release of > Plasma 5. The most recent LTS bug-fix release is > which was released on 10 June 2014. > > [Add at Plasma 5] The Plasma 5.0 desktop was released on 7 July 2014. > While this is a stable release, it is not yet recommended for general > use. > > [h2] KDE Development Libraries > > The KDE Community develops many libraries and tools for software > developers which are used to build the KDE Applications and KDE > Workspaces. Other developers are free to use these for their own > applications under the terms of our licences. See the > for more details. > > The latest for use with Qt4 is 4.13.2> which was released on 10 June 2014. > > The latest for use with Qt5 is which > was released on 7 July 2014. > > [Ends] Looks sane to me > > This may still need editing down, as the intent should be to fit on a > single page, or at least the platform download links section should. > The Windows and Mac details may be better placed on a separate wiki > pages where we can easily change the list of installers, but that > increases the number of clicks required. The alternative is listing > them all on this page (mostly Krita, Marble, Digikam?). > > The Package Policy page at > http://www.kde.org/download/packagepolicy.php page has a level
Re: [kde-community] Proposal to change to kde.org/download text
On Tuesday 08 July 2014 19:55:12 John Layt wrote: > Hi, > > [Posting to community rather than www or promo as it covers all 3 > areas and this seems the best place for bike-shedding without spam > cross-posting.] > > I spent a couple of hours on the weekend trying to walk someone > through installing KDE on Windows. While there were several issues > with the KDE Windows Installer, an initial problem came with just > finding the installer. We started at http://www.kde.org/ and clicked > on the prominent "Get KDE Software" which led to > http://www.kde.org/download/ which is where we hit a solid wall of > text over more than one page. Eventually we found the link at the > bottom that took us to http://windows.kde.org/, and finally to > http://windows.kde.org/download.php. That's 4 clicks and a lot of > text to get through when we already knew what we wanted. > > The Download page seems to want to explain what KDE is before letting > you download stuff, but most people going to that page will have > decided they already want to try it and so we should just give them > the info they need most. We can explain KDE elsewhere. We also need > to use terminology that new users will understand, which means leaving > out unnecesary and confusing details. > > I'd like to propose the following text instead (links marked as ): > > [Begins] > > The KDE Community produces that can to be used on a > number of operating systems. This page details how to obtain KDE > Software on each of those platforms, but for best results we recommend > you run KDE Applications under KDE Plasma Workspace on Linux or BSD. > To obtain support for using KDE Software please visit the UserBase>. > > [h1] Supported Platforms > > [h2] Linux and BSD > > KDE Workspaces and KDE Applications are available for most BSD distributions> by using the distribution's software manager. For > more information please consult your distribution documentation or > user support forums. > > You can try out KDE Software on Linux without changing anything on > your computer by using a . > > [h2] Windows > > Many KDE Applications are available for Windows XP, Windows Vista and > Windows 7 using the . Some KDE Applications > are also available as . The level of Windows > support available may vary for individual applications. > > For more information visit the . > > [h2] Mac OS X > > Most KDE Applications are only available for Mac OS X by using the > , , or package managers. These > installation methods are not recommended for most users. Some KDE > Applications are also available as . KDE hopes > to provide more user-friendly installation methods in the future. > > For more information visit the . > > [h2] Source Packages > > All KDE Software is with the source code freely > available for anyone to download, modify, build, and distribute in > accordence with the terms of . You can obtain tarballs > for any release from our . > > For more information on building KDE Software from source visit the > . > > [h1] KDE Software > > [h2] KDE Applications > > The KDE Community develops a wide variety of which can > run under any supported operating system or desktop environment. > These may be released as part of the regularly scheduled KDE > Applications releases, or may be released independently. > > The latest release is which was > released on 10 June 2014. > > [h2] KDE Plasma Workspaces > > The KDE Community develops Desktop, Netbook and Tablet workspaces for > use on Linux and BSD systems. > > The latest release is which was > released on 14 August 2013. This is a Long Term Support (LTS) release > that will be supported with bug-fixes until after the release of > Plasma 5. The most recent LTS bug-fix release is > which was released on 10 June 2014. > > [Add at Plasma 5] The Plasma 5.0 desktop was released on 7 July 2014. > While this is a stable release, it is not yet recommended for general > use. > > [h2] KDE Development Libraries > > The KDE Community develops many libraries and tools for software > developers which are used to build the KDE Applications and KDE > Workspaces. Other developers are free to use these for their own > applications under the terms of our licences. See the > for more details. > > The latest for use with Qt4 is 4.13.2> which was released on 10 June 2014. > > The latest for use with Qt5 is which > was released on 7 July 2014. > > [Ends] > > This may still need editing down, as the intent should be to fit on a > single page, or at least the platform download links section should. > The Windows and Mac details may be better placed on a separate wiki > pages where we can easily change the list of installers, but that > increases the number of clicks required. The alternative is listing > them all on this page (mostly Krita, Marble, Digikam?). > > The Package Policy page at > http://www.kde.org/download/packagepolicy.php page has a level of > detail that should be on TechBase in
Re: [kde-community] Proposal to change to kde.org/download text
John, I like it. I think it's well thought out and fixes the issues you mentioned. BR, Jeremy On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:55 PM, John Layt wrote: > Hi, > > [Posting to community rather than www or promo as it covers all 3 > areas and this seems the best place for bike-shedding without spam > cross-posting.] > > I spent a couple of hours on the weekend trying to walk someone > through installing KDE on Windows. While there were several issues > with the KDE Windows Installer, an initial problem came with just > finding the installer. We started at http://www.kde.org/ and clicked > on the prominent "Get KDE Software" which led to > http://www.kde.org/download/ which is where we hit a solid wall of > text over more than one page. Eventually we found the link at the > bottom that took us to http://windows.kde.org/, and finally to > http://windows.kde.org/download.php. That's 4 clicks and a lot of > text to get through when we already knew what we wanted. > > The Download page seems to want to explain what KDE is before letting > you download stuff, but most people going to that page will have > decided they already want to try it and so we should just give them > the info they need most. We can explain KDE elsewhere. We also need > to use terminology that new users will understand, which means leaving > out unnecesary and confusing details. > > I'd like to propose the following text instead (links marked as ): > > [Begins] > > The KDE Community produces that can to be used on a > number of operating systems. This page details how to obtain KDE > Software on each of those platforms, but for best results we recommend > you run KDE Applications under KDE Plasma Workspace on Linux or BSD. > To obtain support for using KDE Software please visit the UserBase>. > > [h1] Supported Platforms > > [h2] Linux and BSD > > KDE Workspaces and KDE Applications are available for most BSD distributions> by using the distribution's software manager. For > more information please consult your distribution documentation or > user support forums. > > You can try out KDE Software on Linux without changing anything on > your computer by using a . > > [h2] Windows > > Many KDE Applications are available for Windows XP, Windows Vista and > Windows 7 using the . Some KDE Applications > are also available as . The level of Windows > support available may vary for individual applications. > > For more information visit the . > > [h2] Mac OS X > > Most KDE Applications are only available for Mac OS X by using the > , , or package managers. These > installation methods are not recommended for most users. Some KDE > Applications are also available as . KDE hopes > to provide more user-friendly installation methods in the future. > > For more information visit the . > > [h2] Source Packages > > All KDE Software is with the source code freely > available for anyone to download, modify, build, and distribute in > accordence with the terms of . You can obtain tarballs > for any release from our . > > For more information on building KDE Software from source visit the > . > > [h1] KDE Software > > [h2] KDE Applications > > The KDE Community develops a wide variety of which can > run under any supported operating system or desktop environment. > These may be released as part of the regularly scheduled KDE > Applications releases, or may be released independently. > > The latest release is which was > released on 10 June 2014. > > [h2] KDE Plasma Workspaces > > The KDE Community develops Desktop, Netbook and Tablet workspaces for > use on Linux and BSD systems. > > The latest release is which was > released on 14 August 2013. This is a Long Term Support (LTS) release > that will be supported with bug-fixes until after the release of > Plasma 5. The most recent LTS bug-fix release is > which was released on 10 June 2014. > > [Add at Plasma 5] The Plasma 5.0 desktop was released on 7 July 2014. > While this is a stable release, it is not yet recommended for general > use. > > [h2] KDE Development Libraries > > The KDE Community develops many libraries and tools for software > developers which are used to build the KDE Applications and KDE > Workspaces. Other developers are free to use these for their own > applications under the terms of our licences. See the > for more details. > > The latest for use with Qt4 is 4.13.2> which was released on 10 June 2014. > > The latest for use with Qt5 is which > was released on 7 July 2014. > > [Ends] > > This may still need editing down, as the intent should be to fit on a > single page, or at least the platform download links section should. > The Windows and Mac details may be better placed on a separate wiki > pages where we can easily change the list of installers, but that > increases the number of clicks required. The alternative is listing > them all on this page (mostly Krita, Marble, Digikam?). > > The Package Policy page at > http://www.kde.org/download/packagepolic
[kde-community] Proposal to change to kde.org/download text
Hi, [Posting to community rather than www or promo as it covers all 3 areas and this seems the best place for bike-shedding without spam cross-posting.] I spent a couple of hours on the weekend trying to walk someone through installing KDE on Windows. While there were several issues with the KDE Windows Installer, an initial problem came with just finding the installer. We started at http://www.kde.org/ and clicked on the prominent "Get KDE Software" which led to http://www.kde.org/download/ which is where we hit a solid wall of text over more than one page. Eventually we found the link at the bottom that took us to http://windows.kde.org/, and finally to http://windows.kde.org/download.php. That's 4 clicks and a lot of text to get through when we already knew what we wanted. The Download page seems to want to explain what KDE is before letting you download stuff, but most people going to that page will have decided they already want to try it and so we should just give them the info they need most. We can explain KDE elsewhere. We also need to use terminology that new users will understand, which means leaving out unnecesary and confusing details. I'd like to propose the following text instead (links marked as ): [Begins] The KDE Community produces that can to be used on a number of operating systems. This page details how to obtain KDE Software on each of those platforms, but for best results we recommend you run KDE Applications under KDE Plasma Workspace on Linux or BSD. To obtain support for using KDE Software please visit the . [h1] Supported Platforms [h2] Linux and BSD KDE Workspaces and KDE Applications are available for most by using the distribution's software manager. For more information please consult your distribution documentation or user support forums. You can try out KDE Software on Linux without changing anything on your computer by using a . [h2] Windows Many KDE Applications are available for Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7 using the . Some KDE Applications are also available as . The level of Windows support available may vary for individual applications. For more information visit the . [h2] Mac OS X Most KDE Applications are only available for Mac OS X by using the , , or package managers. These installation methods are not recommended for most users. Some KDE Applications are also available as . KDE hopes to provide more user-friendly installation methods in the future. For more information visit the . [h2] Source Packages All KDE Software is with the source code freely available for anyone to download, modify, build, and distribute in accordence with the terms of . You can obtain tarballs for any release from our . For more information on building KDE Software from source visit the . [h1] KDE Software [h2] KDE Applications The KDE Community develops a wide variety of which can run under any supported operating system or desktop environment. These may be released as part of the regularly scheduled KDE Applications releases, or may be released independently. The latest release is which was released on 10 June 2014. [h2] KDE Plasma Workspaces The KDE Community develops Desktop, Netbook and Tablet workspaces for use on Linux and BSD systems. The latest release is which was released on 14 August 2013. This is a Long Term Support (LTS) release that will be supported with bug-fixes until after the release of Plasma 5. The most recent LTS bug-fix release is which was released on 10 June 2014. [Add at Plasma 5] The Plasma 5.0 desktop was released on 7 July 2014. While this is a stable release, it is not yet recommended for general use. [h2] KDE Development Libraries The KDE Community develops many libraries and tools for software developers which are used to build the KDE Applications and KDE Workspaces. Other developers are free to use these for their own applications under the terms of our licences. See the for more details. The latest for use with Qt4 is which was released on 10 June 2014. The latest for use with Qt5 is which was released on 7 July 2014. [Ends] This may still need editing down, as the intent should be to fit on a single page, or at least the platform download links section should. The Windows and Mac details may be better placed on a separate wiki pages where we can easily change the list of installers, but that increases the number of clicks required. The alternative is listing them all on this page (mostly Krita, Marble, Digikam?). The Package Policy page at http://www.kde.org/download/packagepolicy.php page has a level of detail that should be on TechBase instead, and its FAQ section strikes me as rather unprofessional in places and should be removed. The CDROM page at http://www.kde.org/download/cdrom.php page seems archaic and is empty so should either be deleted or replaced with a list of Live Distros running off USB or CD. A wiki page may be a better option for such a page? The Distr
