KR>Wing attachment brackets

[Robert Stone]

Netters,
 I made my own WAF's from l/8th inch 4130 steel that I ordered from Acft
Spruce.  I cut out the pieces on a table saw using a carbide blade and made
all of the holes on a drill press.  If the cutting and drilling is done slow
and the part being cut or drilled is dipped in water often so that it does
not get hot the metal will not change, that is to say it will not become
soft nor will it become hard and brittle.  My KR2 with the WAF's I made flew
for almost three hundred hours before it was sold and there never was a
failure in that area.

Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX
rsto...@hot.rr.com


- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Glidden" 
To: "Krnet" 
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 7:10 PM
Subject: KR>Wing attachment brackets


Doe's anyone know if the wing attach fittings have to be heat treated or
not.

Bob Glidden
KR2S  N181FW___
see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html

KR>Isn't that PCB idea great?

[Robert Stone]

Where in the world is Moldova?
- Original Message - 
From: "Alexander Birca (MD/RMD)" 
To: ; "'KR builders and pilots'"

Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:39 AM
Subject: RE: KR>Isn't that PCB idea great?


>   Thanks Serge, you understand me right.
> That is, now I am waiting more opinion on this issue.
> I do not know how much it cost some where, but for me here it is not
expensive (~4$ for 1kg), though I can't
> find aircraft grade plywood at all. Again, I want to use it just for the
spars, so, the weight penalty
> is not so important due of small quantity. But I guess it could be used
for boat as well.
>
> BR,
> Alex Birca
> Moldova
> -Original Message-
> From: Serge F. Vidal [mailto:serge.vi...@ate-international.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 12:16 PM
> To: 'KR builders and pilots'
> Subject: KR>Isn't that PCB idea great?
>
>
> Netters,
>
> What I really like about the KRNet is the incredible amount of creativity
> that we manage to pool together.
>
> I think that PCB idea is a perfect example. Indeed, it is fiberglass, of
the
> best kind (multiple laminations). And I think it is the first time
somebody
> tries to use it as an aircraft material, but surely, it can't be worse
than
> our usual home-made, first-time builder fiberglass!
>
> Now, if somebody with a good knowledge of material properties could study
> typical PCB sheets to compare its properties with plywood and fiberglass,
I
> think it would not be wasted effort.
>
> How much does PCB sheet cost, by the way?
>
> Serge Vidal
> KR2 ZS-WEC
> Johannesburg, South Africa
>
>
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>

KR>e-mail

[Robert Stone]

Justin,
 There is a prohibition against attachments on the KRNet.  The problem
is too many members read the rules and either forget them or just ignore
them.  I am sure some members don't even read them at all because I see so
many attachments on the net.

Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX
rsto...@hot.rr.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Justin" 
To: "KR builders and pilots" 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: KR>e-mail


> Mark,
> I think it would resolve all of these virus programs if the server
> didn't allow any attachments. Just an idea incase for some reason my virus
> program doesn't pick up this virus crap.
> Justin
> N116JW
> www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home
> - Original Message -
> From: "Edwin Blocher" 
> To: "krnet" 
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 4:29 PM
> Subject: KR>e-mail
>
>
> Sorry, but I have lost Dana's e-mail address.
> Dana, If you sent the e-mail to the net regarding "Speed", Norton says its
> infected with a "bug bear" virus. I have gotten 6 or 7 messages in the
last
> week infected with this virus but this is the first with a KR Netter's
name
> being involved.
> Ed Blocher
> Santa Rosa Beach, FL
> ebloc...@earthlink.net
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>
>
>
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>

KR>Registration

[Robert Stone]

Max,

Thanks very much for the legal advice.  I am sure it will be of value to
some of the builders.  If you still have an interest in building and flying
your own aircraft I can tell you from my experience the KR aircraft are the
easiest to build.  They are also very durable and strong.  Properly built
they will provide a safe and very enjoyable flying machine for years. Years
ago out in California I was at Meadowlark airport with Ken and a lawyer
friend of his was about to fly his KR-1.  This was long before the KR-2 was
designed.  When that lawyer landed he told Ken that the last time he flew an
airplane as hot as the KR-1, it had guns on it.  This guy was a former P-51
pilot during WWll.  Ken's KR-1 had a turbocharged Revemaster 2100 installed
and would in level flight get up to 200 MPH.

Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX
rsto...@hot.rr.com



- Original Message - 
From: "Max Hardberger" 
To: "KR builders and pilots" 
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: KR>Registration


> Although I'm a lawyer and not a builder (my sole effort was an abortive
> attempt to build a Jeannie's Teenie in the late 60's, abandoned after
> several of them crashed), but I don't think that the extent of
modification
> has any effect on the legal status of the aircraft. The FAA doesn't care
> what you call it--they're all Experimental to the FAA. Since a builder
only
> has to satisfy the FAA in terms of registration, it wouldn't matter how
much
> or little the plane has been modified as long as the FAA inspectors are
> satisfied as to its construction.
>
> In terms of the builder's relationship with RR, that is governed by the
> relationship (i.e., whether they have a contract). Any complaint RR may
have
> about people building a KR or claiming to have a KR would be strictly
> between the two parties. Without a contract with the builder or owner, RR
> has no influence over either. Further, one can call his plane a KR with or
> without RR's approval or registration as long as it isn't done for an
> improper purpose (such as defrauding a buyer), although there might be
some
> liability for misrepresentation to the buyer if the modification rendered
> the aircraft of less value than a plans-built KR. Considering that almost
> every (if not every) KR is modified from the plans to some degree, this
> would be a very difficult position for the buyer to maintain.
>
> Max Hardberger
>
>
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>

KR>Building a KR-2

[Robert Stone]

Dan,
 Build a KR-2S rather than a KR-2.  The KR-2S is an improvement over the
KR-2 and much more stable in flight.  I built and flew a KR-2 years ago when
the "S" did not exist but if I were building today it would definitely be
the KR-2S.

Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX
rsto...@hot.rr.com


- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 12:26 PM
Subject: KR>Building a KR-2


>   I'm thinking about building a kr-2. Looking for somebody in or around
> Connecticut who is building or has one. I'd like to see one before I
purchase A
> kit. Thanks
>   Dan
>
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>

KR>P.S. to looking for a flyable

[Robert Stone]

Ray,
 I have not seen a week go by without a KR aircraft of some kind being
for sale right here on the KRNet.  So just keep looking here and also
Barnstormers at:
 http://www.barnstormers2000.com/search_frame.htm

Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
rsto...@hot.rr.com



- Original Message- 
From: "Raymond Hightower" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 1:02 PM
Subject: KR>P.S. to looking for a flyable


> Dear Sirs, I have already looked in the current issues of:  Trade-A-Plane,
Aero Trader, and General Aviation News.  Where else should I look to find a
flyable kr2 to buy?  Thanks, raylehi...@yahoo.com
>
>
> -
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design
software___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>

KR>Registration

[Robert Stone]

Netters,
 I am not a lawyer so may not know what I am talking about so I wish some 
of the members of the net who are lawyer's would respond to this message with 
their expertise.
 It seems to me since every KR aircraft I have ever heard of, including the 
two (KR-1 & KR-2) that I and a partner built back in the 70's has been much 
modified from the original or the present day plans.  Like I think the plans 
call for the RAF 48 wing and several builders are using a different wing.  KR 
aircraft have been extended in length, made wider,  have different canopy 
configurations, landing gear and the list goes on.  If there is any change in 
the building process that does not match the plans then it is not a KR Aircraft 
but your own design using the KR plans as a building guide.  Since it's not a 
KR aircraft, why should Rand Robinson have anything to do or say about it??

Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX
rsto...@hot.rr.com

KR>group building

[Robert Stone]

Oswaldo,
 It not only can work but is an excellent way for a group of builders to
get their projects done.  The by products are encouragement from each other,
profit from  each others errors during the building process and not make the
same error.  More heads to figure out a difficult problem and best of all
camaraderie.  You may even be able to get lower prices for items needed by
group or fleet purchase.  I see only positive things and nothing negative.
Good luck to all of you.

Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Texas, USA
rsto...@hot.rr.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Oswaldo P. Silva Filho" 
To: "KR builders and pilots" 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 5:29 PM
Subject: KR>group building


> Hi list:
>
> Here is Oswaldo, from Rio de Janeiro, and I would like to hear your
opinions
> about the
> idea of somultaneously building 3 or 4 Kr's in the same site.
>
> Our main objetives are sharing the space, tools, helping/encouraging each
> other, bulk purchases of materials, etc.
>
> What are your thougths/opinions? Do you think this kind of arrangement can
> work?
>
> Regards
>
> Oswaldo
>
>
>
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>

KR>Pin holes

[Robert Stone]

Netters,
 I don't understand all the talk about pin holes being such a problem.  
When I built the KR-1 and KR-2 years ago (l977)  after laying up fiberglass and 
resin we covered the entire surface with a piece of cordite sprayed with mold 
release. This is kind of like cling wrap only thicker.  When it was dry and the 
cling wrap removed the surface was so smooth that very little sanding was 
required.  After minimal sanding a coat of feather fill was applied and sanded. 
 Feather fill sands out very easy to a surface smooth as a shirt button.  There 
were a few pin holes of course but there was also a product like bondo that 
came in a tube like tooth paste.  each pin hole got a finger dab of this paste 
and then final sanding ready for sealer and paint.  The finish was so good on 
our KR-2, we won the best composite prize at the Chino Airport EAA Fly-in in 
1977.  One of the judges told me that their final decision was biased on the 
beautiful finish.  There are much better products on the market today than 
Feather fill and bondo so I just don't see pin holes being that big a problem.

Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX
rsto...@hot.rr.com

KR>Boat fiberglass or plywood skins

[Robert Stone]

Netters,
 It's been a long time since I built and I do not have a set of plans any 
more but I seem to remember the original design was for the boat frame to be 
skinned with 1/8" aircraft plywood and then covered with a thin layer of 
fiberglass cloth and Ken thought this would make the strongest structure 
considering all the compression and tinsel pressures from the engine.  As long 
as I knew him (from 1970 to his death) he never had an engine fall off so he 
must have been right.

Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX
rsto...@hot.rr.com

KR>(no subject)

[Robert Stone]

Who ever you are,
 Someone on the net suggested at one time that all members who use the
KRNet should identify themselves with their full name, address, etc.  I see
that you have not done this.  So the only thing that any of us know about
you is Kr2sN506KRAaol.com.

Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX
rsto...@hot.rr.com

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 5:18 PM
Subject: KR>(no subject)


> So I was thinking about putting together a list with names, location, type
> project, and email address on my web site so that other builders can find
each
> other easily. I know in the past there was a guy that had such a list and
he
> would mail you a copy of local builders but I haven't heard of anything
like
> that in a while. If you are interested please email me your info, i.e.
name,
> location, type project, and of course you email address to;
kr2sn50...@aol.com
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>

KR>Lighting up your KR

[Robert Stone]

Dana,
 I just looked at your web site and think that it is excellent.  If you
keep up adding to it as you go along you will have produced a very valuable
builders manual that covers a lot of detail left out of the original.

Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX
rsto...@hot.rr.com



- Original Message - 
From: "Dana Overall" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: KR>Lighting up your KR


> I was just going by what the el cheapo package said"Do not
> cut".
>
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider/fuselage
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: David Mullins 
> >You can Cut it but you need to seal the cut end with silicone or
> >equivelent.
> >The best place I found for this stuff is http://www.elwirecheap.com You
>
> _
> The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*
> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
>
>
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>

KR>new KR builder

[Robert Stone]

Ed,
 Will she be the only female builder in the circut or are there more?

Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
rsto...@hot.rr.com


- Original Message - 
From: "Edwin Blocher" 
To: "KR builders and pilots" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 11:06 PM
Subject: KR>new KR builder


It is with much regret that I have to tell you that I have sold my KR2S
project. Welcome Glenda McElwee as the new owner/builder. She will be at
Oshkosh and at the Gathering. I have told her to really bug everyone with
questions. I'm still going to hang around on the net at least for a while.
Sincerely, ED
Ed Blocher
Santa Rosa Beach, FL
ebloc...@earthlink.net
___
see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html

KR>Cheap tools

[Robert Stone]

Builders,
 I have never seen one of these so cheap and thought some of you might be 
interested.  





 DOT & LINE LASER LEVEL
  Now $9.99 Reg. $13.99

  Perform horizontal and vertical leveling. Includes beam splitter 
attachment. Constructed from extruded and machined aluminum for maximum 
precision.

  ITEM 54050-2VGA


 This item is available at Harbor Freight Tools.  Use a search engine to 
get their URL.

Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
rsto...@hot.rr.com

KR>Carbon Fiber for Justin

[Robert Stone]

Mark,
 Well said, my congratulations to you.  The morons who flamed that kid
aught to have their ass's kicked.  Now all of you dumb jackass's who flamed
that kid, flame me and see if I give a dam.

Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX
rsto...@hot.rr.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Jones" 
To: "KR builders and pilots" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Carbon Fiber for Justin


> Justin,
> I for one, am very pleased to see such an inquisitive mind concerning
> aviation. It is young fellows such as yourself that keeps aviation going
> when us old farts are all gone. Mind you, I am only 47 so I plan on being
> around for quite some time. You remind me of my oldest son when he was 16,
> full of questions and never satisfied with a simple answer and always
> wanting to reinvent things. Well, my oldest son is now 26 and an Engineer
> Graduate of Georgia Tech, with honors I might add. I am told you are 16 to
> 17 years old and I think you are on track to being a great addition to the
> aviation world. There have been a lot of flames against you for asking
> questions which have obvious answers or easy sources to find the answers.
> For those who have flamed you, I think you deserve an apology. For those
who
> have helped you, they need to be thanked. For those who were just picking
at
> you...well, I hope they remember what it was like when they started
aviation
> and especially building a plane. And, I am willing to bet none of them
were
> 16 when they took on such an enormous task as building an airplane.
Justin,
> keep asking your questions, keep learning, keep progressing and one day we
> will all be patting you on the back for doing such a good job. Never give
up
> on your dream, and never let your dream give up on you. Keep it up and
make
> us all proud to be associated with such an inquisitive mind. I see another
> engineer in the making!!!
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI  USA
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
>
>
> Subject: RE: KR>Carbon Fiber for Justin
>
>
> > I dont have a AS book or Wicks book but I know the fiberglass strength
> is
> > in there. Can someone give me the strengths of KR fiberglass, The carbon
> > fiber glass and the Kevlar. Comparing weight to strength.
> >
> > Has anyone used Kevlar, it is a tad cheaper than carbon fiber and
said
> > to be stronger and lighter than carbon fiber. for the 5OZ it has a
tesile
> > strength of 620X655. Can someoen explain that to me? I want to know the
> > difference of that and normal 5.85 KR cloth.
> >
> > Justin
> > KR2S
> >>
> >
> > ___
> > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
> >
>
>
>
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>

KR>www.flightsim.com.

[Robert Stone]

Dan,
 Try again and see what happens.  I just tried that web site and it
popped right in.

Bob Stone


- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Heath" 
To: ; 
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: KR>www.flightsim.com.


Has anyone else tried www.flightsim.com.   It does not come up for me.

N64KR

Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC

da...@kr-builder.org

See you in Red Oak - 2003

See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic
See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org
 ___
see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html

KR>quantity indicator systems.

[Robert Stone]

Chuck,
 To the best of my knowledge a sight gauge is a see-thru glass or
plastic tube that must be mounted at the same height as the gas tank because
the level of fuel it shows is the same as the level in the tank.
I am curious to know how you are going to make this work in wing tanks?

Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
rstos...@hot.rr.com

- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: KR>quantity indicator systems.


> Larry,
> Have you thought of using a sight tube like the one for the header tank?
> I use to fly an American Yankee and it had wing tanks and it used sight
tubes
> as fuel gauges. I'm planning on having wing tanks w/o a header tank and
> that's the method I plan to use. I'm also open to other suggestions.
>
> Chuck Wyatt
> Tehuacana, Texas
> crk...@aol.com
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html

KR>quantity indicator systems.

[Robert Stone]

gleone,
 You know or should know that attachments are not permitted on the
KRNet,  If you have an answer to the question I asked please send it direct
to me off net.  I have not opened your attachment.

Bob Stone
- Original Message -
From: "gleone" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: KR>quantity indicator systems.