RE: [lace] Lace ID (Susan H's question)
I think Sally is right -- the designer/creator used whatever techniques pleased her, and it doesn't fit into a particular niche. Also I do now see the needle lace filling stitches inside the loops made by the narrow braid. Lorelei From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Sally Jenkins Subject: [lace] Lace ID (Susan H's question) Perhaps the designer/creator used various techniques, and the entire piece does not fit any one designation Sally in western Oregon, looking at blue skies today - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace ID (Susan H's question)
In reference to Susan Hottle's question about a mat, https://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/35865707036/in/album-7215763195503607 0/lightbox/ There is another possibility. Perhaps the designer/creator used various techniques, and the entire piece does not fit any one designation. I know a woman who frequently finishes her Torchon bookmarks with macramé, for instance, and they are beautiful and unique. This is a very interesting and beautiful mat! Hats off to the creator! Sally in western Oregon, looking at blue skies today - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace ID?
This morning I found braids, similar to the lace sample, on bestneedleart.com under braids, DMC. Two widths of flat braid with straight edges--very plain. The bumpy "catepillar" braid is the one that we've all used in workshops. Then there are the decorative braids, zig zag etc. used for more advanced projects. Now this. Hmmm. Susan Hottle USA Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] lace ID?
It looks to me like someone combined techniques.  There are a few filling stitches and the picot bars for connecting. But it is primarily Irish Crochet motifs. On Thursday, July 13, 2017 5:43 PM, "hottl...@neo.rr.com" wrote: Hello All! I just posted a scan of a lace mat that belongs to a friend in Ohio. If anyone has an opinion as to its origin, I would love to know. The undulating cord, picot bars & Irish crochet motifs are quite robust. The entire mat is approxiimately 12"x12". Many thanks. Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] lace ID?
I agree that this does not look like Romanian Point. However, to my surprise there are indeed needle lace stitches, filling in the loops where the cord or thinner tape loops around itself just inside the corrugated, thicker crochet tape around the edge. Amanda in Philly, Pennsylvania, US On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 08:01:58PM -0500, Lorelei Halley wrote: > Bev > > As I understand it, Romanian point lace has a tape made by crochet. But the > empty spaces between the tapes are filled with needle lace stitches. This > piece has no needle lace stitches. > > Lorelei > > > > From: Bev Walker [mailto:walker.b...@gmail.com] > > Susan and Lorelei, Bunches of grapes with the vine around the outside I've > decided! > > Only a semi-confident guess it is RPL. It has that chunky, solid, unctuous > appearance. Hopefully someone will confirm/deny. > > Bev > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace ID?
To Jocelyn's question--no. There is no "form" over which the individual grapes are constructed, nor are they stuffed. Susan Hottle USA Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] lace ID?
Bev As I understand it, Romanian point lace has a tape made by crochet. But the empty spaces between the tapes are filled with needle lace stitches. This piece has no needle lace stitches. Lorelei From: Bev Walker [mailto:walker.b...@gmail.com] Susan and Lorelei, Bunches of grapes with the vine around the outside I've decided! Only a semi-confident guess it is RPL. It has that chunky, solid, unctuous appearance. Hopefully someone will confirm/deny. Bev - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace ID?
Thanks Lorelei, I had never heard of Bruges crochet. Goodness, I'm so glad I asked the question as I learned another new thing! Regarding the lace, the owner thinks it is Romanian point lace. I am doubtful. The cording is unusual & the lace itself is not constructed in the "tape lace" manner. Romanian has fillings. This seems to be a series of individual motifs that are simply connected to the undulating cord or to the other motifs directly. In tape lace, the cording, Battenburg or Branscombe tape etc. delineates the design & that is not the case here. The leaf components are highly similar to those pictured on irishcrochettogether.com. Scroll down to see the dress with individual leaf components! Anyway, it's a very lovely mystery. Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] lace ID?
I think it looks like Romanian Point, too. I compared it with the examples in my book (“Romanian Point Lace” by Angela Thomson and Kathleen Waller) and while there isn’t anything that’s *exactly* the same, the style of the design, the undulating cord, the bunches of grapes and the grape leaf pattern, the corrugated-looking edging; all these things appear in Romanian Point. I have a piece of this lace, and it is very robust, as you say, and it is also the same colour as this. Adele > On Jul 13, 2017, at 4:21 PM, Bev Walker wrote: > > Hello Susan and everyone > > I found it finally, looked all through your album at Flickr but it is at > the beginning! > Just a guess, it looks like Romanian Point Lace. The grape motif suggests > to me Eastern European origin. I could be way off! but I don't see it as > Irish crochet. > > On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:37 PM, wrote: > >> Hello All! I just posted a scan of a lace mat that belongs to a friend in >> Ohio. If anyone has an opinion as to its origin, I would love to know. >> The undulating cord, picot bars & Irish crochet motifs are quite robust. >> The entire mat is approxiimately 12"x12". - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] lace ID?
Hello Susan and everyone I found it finally, looked all through your album at Flickr but it is at the beginning! Just a guess, it looks like Romanian Point Lace. The grape motif suggests to me Eastern European origin. I could be way off! but I don't see it as Irish crochet. On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:37 PM, wrote: > Hello All! I just posted a scan of a lace mat that belongs to a friend in > Ohio. If anyone has an opinion as to its origin, I would love to know. > The undulating cord, picot bars & Irish crochet motifs are quite robust. > The entire mat is approxiimately 12"x12". > -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] lace ID?
Susan An interesting piece. That wide outer border tape is something used in something called "Bruges crochet". But I don't think it actually has anything to do with Bruges. The Irish crochet elements are very interesting, especially the maple leaf shaped ones. Lorelei From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of hottl...@neo.rr.com If anyone has an opinion as to its origin, I would love to know. Susan Hottle USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] lace ID?
Hello All! I just posted a scan of a lace mat that belongs to a friend in Ohio. If anyone has an opinion as to its origin, I would love to know. The undulating cord, picot bars & Irish crochet motifs are quite robust. The entire mat is approxiimately 12"x12". Many thanks. Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lace ID reference books
Someone on Facebook just mentioned Marian Powys. I didn't think I knew anything about her, so checked on google. She has an item on the professor's site 'A Further Legacy Three Personal Lace Notebooks of Marian Powys' https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/articles/nb85_lc2.pdf She shows at least one example of Mechlin - don't know if this is of interest to those discussing the subject of how to identify Mechlin. Malvary in Ottawa where we had 28cm of snow yesterday and are looking forward to another dump of 10-20 cm between Tuesday afternoon and Thursday morning. I think I'll have to start putting it in the bath so I can get out of my driveway -Original Message- From: devonth...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 3:33 PM To: 'Arachne reply' Subject: [lace] Lace ID reference books In relation to what Alex was saying about Mechlin and what it meant in the 18th century, I think that Santina Levey says fairly early in her book that most of the terms we use now were coined by lace dealers in the late 19th and early 20th century, and would be unrecognizable to people in the era when the lace was made. If memory serves, a particularly egregious example was calling a lace Binche because a piece resembling it had been found on a carnival costume in Binche, although the lace was never made there. Another example is dubbing things Cluny after a piece found in the Cluny museum in Paris. But, of course, it is the language being used in the late 19th and early 20th century by dealers and auctioneers that has found its way into the catalogue system. I have been consulting a number of books. Levey, of course, Toomer, Antique Laces, Identifying types and Techniques, Gwynne’s the Illustrated Dictionary of Lace, Kurella’s Guide to Lace and Linens, and Pat Earnshaw’s three books, the Dictionary of Lace, the Identification of Lace and Bobbin and Needle laces Identification and Care. Interestingly, Pat Earnshaw’s books are not necessarily consistent. But, that serves as a powerful reminder that whenever you write something and publish it, you immediately find out you were wrong about something. I also have a dictionary by J. Coene called Kantlexicon. In addition, I have my vast library of books on individual laces. One thing that has been a pleasant surprise is that it is sometimes quite easy to search the older books on google books using a word search. Does anyone have other suggestions for good ID books? Devon Sent from Mail for Windows 10 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lace ID reference books
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[lace] Lace ID reference books
In relation to what Alex was saying about Mechlin and what it meant in the 18th century, I think that Santina Levey says fairly early in her book that most of the terms we use now were coined by lace dealers in the late 19th and early 20th century, and would be unrecognizable to people in the era when the lace was made. If memory serves, a particularly egregious example was calling a lace Binche because a piece resembling it had been found on a carnival costume in Binche, although the lace was never made there. Another example is dubbing things Cluny after a piece found in the Cluny museum in Paris. But, of course, it is the language being used in the late 19th and early 20th century by dealers and auctioneers that has found its way into the catalogue system. I have been consulting a number of books. Levey, of course, Toomer, Antique Laces, Identifying types and Techniques, Gwynneâs the Illustrated Dictionary of Lace, Kurellaâs Guide to Lace and Linens, and Pat Earnshawâs three books, the Dictionary of Lace, the Identification of Lace and Bobbin and Needle laces Identification and Care. Interestingly, Pat Earnshawâs books are not necessarily consistent. But, that serves as a powerful reminder that whenever you write something and publish it, you immediately find out you were wrong about something. I also have a dictionary by J. Coene called Kantlexicon. In addition, I have my vast library of books on individual laces. One thing that has been a pleasant surprise is that it is sometimes quite easy to search the older books on google books using a word search. Does anyone have other suggestions for good ID books? Devon Sent from Mail for Windows 10 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lace ID
Sorry but I don't think so Handmade English Bedfordshire bobbin lace. where are the tallies? And it is not fine enough for Bedfordshire, I think. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace ID
As lace type this belongs to the Guipure laces. If it comes from the region of Mirecourt is verydifficult to decide. So in my opinion it's better to stay by the lace types than the places they were made. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace ID
Handmade English Bedfordshire bobbin lace. Kate Henry Indiana USA - Original Message - From: "Patty Dowden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "arachne" Cc: "arachne" Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Lace ID At 08:40 PM 6/21/2008, Kathryn Nuttall wrote: Can anyone identify this type of lace? http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay025-17.jpg http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay031-19.jpg http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay027-15.jpg It looks to me most like Miracourt, a french lace, late 19th century, much used on furnishings and trimmings. The fact that it sort of looks like duchesse on a coarser scale and the half stitch motifs with a large gimp convince me. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace ID
At 08:40 PM 6/21/2008, Kathryn Nuttall wrote: Can anyone identify this type of lace? http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay025-17.jpg http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay031-19.jpg http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay027-15.jpg It looks to me most like Miracourt, a french lace, late 19th century, much used on furnishings and trimmings. The fact that it sort of looks like duchesse on a coarser scale and the half stitch motifs with a large gimp convince me. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lace ID
Can anyone identify this type of lace? http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay025-17.jpg http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay031-19.jpg http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay027-15.jpg - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace ID Help
At 07:15 PM 17/05/2008, Brenda Paternoster wrote: Hello Linda Looks like Irish crochet to me. It's a form of crochet with lots of padding and raised work done to imitate Venetian Gros Point needle lace. Brenda To me it is straight out Irish Crochet. David in Ballarat URLs: www.costumegallery.com/temp/image1.jpg www.costumegallery.com/temp/image2.jpg - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace ID Help
Linda, in my opinion it is Irish crochet. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace ID Help
Hello Linda Looks like Irish crochet to me. It's a form of crochet with lots of padding and raised work done to imitate Venetian Gros Point needle lace. Brenda "Can anyone help me identify what type of lace is on a bodice circa 1900-1906? I have uploaded two images of the lace with large photos that the experts can download and enlarge on their computers. URLs: www.costumegallery.com/temp/image1.jpg www.costumegallery.com/temp/image2.jpg Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lace ID Help
Please will you help try to identify this lace for a friend of mine from another list? Penny wrote:- "Can anyone help me identify what type of lace is on a bodice circa 1900-1906? I have uploaded two images of the lace with large photos that the experts can download and enlarge on their computers. URLs: www.costumegallery.com/temp/image1.jpg www.costumegallery.com/temp/image2.jpg I wish I had more time to learn about laces. But it I had time to stop and learn that, I would have to stop working on another project." If you post messages to the list, or to me, I will pass them on to Penny - they will be anonymous unless you specifically tell me it will be alright to pass on your name, and/or e-mail address. Many thanks, Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lace ID book on eBay...
One of my favorite books has appeared on ebay... It's Elizabeth Kurella's "The Secrets of Real Lace" which is an authoritative review of the elements which distinguish handmade lace from machine-made lace. Anyone who collects lace or even enjoys looking at it in museums will appreciate this book - which is unfortunately out of print. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3536319797 Clay Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]