Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OGC Geospatial Rights Management Summit
> On 9 Jun 2009, at 06:27, John Wilbanks wrote: > >> Puneet Kishor, who is a Science Commons Fellow looking at geospatial >> data and climate change, will be attending and hoisting the facts >> can't >> be copyrighted flag. > > Er, sounds like a red herring to me since they can have database > rights and be licensed who cares about the copyright for the purposes > of some ridiculous DRM schema that the big licensers will use? > > Best > > Steve As you've probably noticed around these parts, we argue against using those rights no matter who's using them, whether in the name of supposed "freedom" or in the name of enclosure. jtw ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OGC Geospatial Rights Management Summit
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Tim Waters (chippy) wrote: > I find the idea of DRM being used to help ensure and enforce copy-left to be > quite interesting. (But doubt this conference will cover that) DRM breaks copyleft and cannot be used to protect it. Sun's DReaM was aptly named. ;-) - Rob. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OGC Geospatial Rights Management Summit
I find the idea of DRM being used to help ensure and enforce copy-left to be quite interesting. (But doubt this conference will cover that) On Jun 9, 2009 6:31 AM, "SteveC" wrote: I could in theory make it, and I even considered it for about 10 seconds... but I couldn't think what I'd get out of it other than frustration. DRM for maps, sorry GeoDRM... what can you say but FAIL ? Best Steve On 5 Jun 2009, at 08:10, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > Hi all, > > Maybe this is a bit off-topic fo... > ___ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OGC Geospatial Rights Management Summit
Puneet Kishor, who is a Science Commons Fellow looking at geospatial data and climate change, will be attending and hoisting the facts can't be copyrighted flag. jtw legal-talk-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Message: 7 Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:06:00 +0200 From: Frederik Ramm Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OGC Geospatial Rights Management Summit To: "Licensing and other legal discussions." Message-ID: <4a2e17e8.4050...@remote.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > > "Facts are Facts and can't be Copyrighted" ... which ist not exactly the position that OSM is taking on this matter; in fact, with ODBL we go to great lengths to ensure that even if our facts should not be copyrightable we still get to say exactly under what conditions they are used through contract and database law. We're willing to enter completely uncharted waters and use a new and untested licensing framework precisely because we do *not* want our data to be free of any restrictions. So if you are looking for someone who takes the above position, best talk to one of the Science Commons guys! Bye Frederik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OGC Geospatial Rights Management Summit
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > > "Facts are Facts and can't be Copyrighted" > > ... which ist not exactly the position that OSM is taking on this > matter; in fact, with ODBL we go to great lengths to ensure that even if > our facts should not be copyrightable we still get to say exactly under > what conditions they are used through contract and database law. We're > willing to enter completely uncharted waters and use a new and untested > licensing framework precisely because we do *not* want our data to be > free of any restrictions. > > So if you are looking for someone who takes the above position, best > talk to one of the Science Commons guys! > > Bye > Frederik > > That is the basis of Australian law, and recent a High Court decision has returned us to that position, carefully deciding that a database, to be subject to copyright, had to demonstrate intellectual or artistic input. So the facts from a map in Australia can't be copyrighted. The intellectual and artistic work of creating a map results in a map which can be copyright. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OGC Geospatial Rights Management Summit
Hi, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > "Facts are Facts and can't be Copyrighted" ... which ist not exactly the position that OSM is taking on this matter; in fact, with ODBL we go to great lengths to ensure that even if our facts should not be copyrightable we still get to say exactly under what conditions they are used through contract and database law. We're willing to enter completely uncharted waters and use a new and untested licensing framework precisely because we do *not* want our data to be free of any restrictions. So if you are looking for someone who takes the above position, best talk to one of the Science Commons guys! Bye Frederik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OGC Geospatial Rights Management Summit
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, SteveC wrote: > I could in theory make it, and I even considered it for about 10 > seconds... but I couldn't think what I'd get out of it other than > frustration. > > DRM for maps, sorry GeoDRM... what can you say but FAIL ? > > Best > > Steve Trouble is, these people continue along their merry way if no one ever puts up a hand and says "Facts are Facts and can't be Copyrighted" back to question 1 has anyone got nothing better to do than upset these people on 22nd June? -- I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. -- J. R. R. Tolkien ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OGC Geospatial Rights Management Summit
I could in theory make it, and I even considered it for about 10 seconds... but I couldn't think what I'd get out of it other than frustration. DRM for maps, sorry GeoDRM... what can you say but FAIL ? Best Steve On 5 Jun 2009, at 08:10, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > Hi all, > > Maybe this is a bit off-topic for this list, but I've noticed that > the OGC has > set up a conference for jun 22th, about something called "Geospatial > Rights > Management": > > http://www.opengeospatial.org/event/090622georm > > I see that there will be quite some talks about geodata licensing, > including > CC (sadly, no ODbL). > > I wonder if some legal-savvy OSM user could attend and return to the > list with > some impressions? > > > Cheers, > -- > -- > Iván Sánchez Ortega > > Truth is the most valuable thing we have -- so let us economize it. > -- Mark Twain > ___ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] OGC Geospatial Rights Management Summit
Hi all, Maybe this is a bit off-topic for this list, but I've noticed that the OGC has set up a conference for jun 22th, about something called "Geospatial Rights Management": http://www.opengeospatial.org/event/090622georm I see that there will be quite some talks about geodata licensing, including CC (sadly, no ODbL). I wonder if some legal-savvy OSM user could attend and return to the list with some impressions? Cheers, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega Truth is the most valuable thing we have -- so let us economize it. -- Mark Twain signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
