Re: voice sharing the same note on different staves
Thanks! I had given up since my permutations did not work the first time, but since you so succintly repeated it, I thought I might have missed something so I went back and tried it again. Yes, \mergeDifferentlyHeadedOn works as you've described. The trick is you do need the \change Staff and a \stemUp or Down depending. The note heads don't merge on different staves. Obviously... On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Nick Payne wrote: > On 04/11/10 05:01, Ken wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I tried looking in archives for a solution to my problem but I'm not sure >> quite how to put in a search description. >> >> I'm writing a 3-part piece for the piano. 3 voices. In one measure, I >> have the second and third (voiceFour in lliypond because the stems are down) >> share the same note. The second voice is a 16th note while the third voice >> is a dotted quarter. I'd like to have the note in the bass stave and have 2 >> stems, one up and one down. The up one is beamed with the rest of the notes >> of the second voice. How do I do this? >> > Use \mergeDifferentlyHeadedOn and \mergeDifferentlyDottedOn. Look up > "collision resolution" in s.1.5.2 of the notation reference. > > Nick > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: voice sharing the same note on different staves
2010/11/5 David Kastrup : > It might be argued on that grounds that German note names should be > canonical: I know of no other note name language that has been employed > similarly for silly acronyms and word games. This comes to my mind: Vive le roi, ut mi ut re re sol mi from Josquin Granted, they're only vowels and even ut for 'v'. [unrelated?] In Spanish we have a funny mnemonic for the eight dominants of Gregorian modes: "La farola de Laredo" (stands for "The lamppost of Laredo", a town), for La Fa Do La Do La Re Do. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: voice sharing the same note on different staves
Valentin Villenave writes: > I don't know about Swiss French, but here in France we rarely use "ut" > at all; it is merely used by snobbish people when referring to a > piece's tonality: "Sonate en Ut Majeur" (but regular people will just > say "Do Majeur"). Interesting, because it is not snobbish at all to say "quatre-vent-dix-neuf" which other French-speaking nations have replaced by "nonante-neuf" long ago. In English, one would be considered snobbish when starting a sentence with, say, "Four score and seven", let alone "Four score and nineteen". In contrast, "ut" rather than "do" appears harmless. To a foreigner, that is. Doh. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: voice sharing the same note on different staves
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:18 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > It might be argued on that grounds that German note names should be > canonical: I know of no other note name language that has been employed > similarly for silly acronyms and word games. Ravel isn't consistent in this regard: in this piece, "H" means plain b http://imslp.org/wiki/Menuet_sur_le_nom_d%27Haydn_%28Ravel,_Maurice%29 in this other piece, "B" means plain b http://imslp.org/wiki/Berceuse_sur_le_nom_de_Gabriel_Faur%C3%A9_%28Ravel,_Maurice%29 > Well, almost. When writing ut queant laxis > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ut_queant_laxis>, French note names > would be more appropriate. Oh, we don't have them. The Italian note > names use "do" rather than "ut". I have a Swiss accordion score from > 1933 here, and it uses "ut" throughout. Maybe it's just Swiss French, > or obsolete Swiss French. I don't know about Swiss French, but here in France we rarely use "ut" at all; it is merely used by snobbish people when referring to a piece's tonality: "Sonate en Ut Majeur" (but regular people will just say "Do Majeur"). Cheers, Valentin. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: voice sharing the same note on different staves
Am 05.11.2010 um 10:14 schrieb David Kastrup: David Kastrup writes: When writing ut queant laxis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ut_queant_laxis>, French note names would be more appropriate. Oh, we don't have them. The Italian note names use "do" rather than "ut". I have a Swiss accordion score from 1933 here, and it uses "ut" throughout. Maybe it's just Swiss French, or obsolete Swiss French. It also uses "si" for "h", in this case just like Lilypond's italiano. There are solfeges using "ti" instead, I believe. True. e.g.: W.H. Swinburne: The New Curwen Method, or Edwin E. Gordon in his books on music learning theory. But one should probably wait until some actual user complains for real before introducing new dialects. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: voice sharing the same note on different staves
David Kastrup writes: > When writing ut queant laxis > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ut_queant_laxis>, French note names > would be more appropriate. Oh, we don't have them. The Italian note > names use "do" rather than "ut". I have a Swiss accordion score from > 1933 here, and it uses "ut" throughout. Maybe it's just Swiss French, > or obsolete Swiss French. It also uses "si" for "h", in this case just like Lilypond's italiano. There are solfeges using "ti" instead, I believe. But one should probably wait until some actual user complains for real before introducing new dialects. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: voice sharing the same note on different staves
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On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 09:18:05AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
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> I'd say there is no point in providing different input languages.
Hey! I'm making some effort to provide *yet* another language ;-P
> On
> the other hand, it would look plain ugly to spell a well-known fugue
> theme as { bes a c b } rather than using German note names.
...but I don't know of any similar pun in Balinese music (OTOH -- those
folks are scaringly creative!)
Regards
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Re: voice sharing the same note on different staves
"Vicente Solsona" writes:
> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 05:07:34 +0100, Colin Campbell wrote:
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> please remember to forward to the list.
>>> also please review your examples before posting. your example contains
>>> syntax errors.
>>>
>>> there's no E flat in your example. the only common note between voices 2
>>> and 4 is an F (if I've interpreted your example correctly). Here's how I
>>> would "mix" that F (result attached):
>>
>> I believe the OP was using english.ly for note names, so the common note
>> is in fact an E-flat, spelt ef rather than es in the default nederlands
>> note names.
>
> heck you're right. there's a thing called english which happens to be a
> language which happens to be supported by lilypond (and probably even
> there's someone out there who happens to speak it)
I'd say there is no point in providing different input languages. On
the other hand, it would look plain ugly to spell a well-known fugue
theme as { bes a c b } rather than using German note names.
It might be argued on that grounds that German note names should be
canonical: I know of no other note name language that has been employed
similarly for silly acronyms and word games.
Well, almost. When writing ut queant laxis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ut_queant_laxis>, French note names
would be more appropriate. Oh, we don't have them. The Italian note
names use "do" rather than "ut". I have a Swiss accordion score from
1933 here, and it uses "ut" throughout. Maybe it's just Swiss French,
or obsolete Swiss French.
--
David Kastrup
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Re: voice sharing the same note on different staves
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 05:07:34 +0100, Colin Campbell wrote:
> wrote:
please remember to forward to the list.
also please review your examples before posting. your example contains
syntax errors.
there's no E flat in your example. the only common note between voices 2
and 4 is an F (if I've interpreted your example correctly). Here's how I
would "mix" that F (result attached):
I believe the OP was using english.ly for note names, so the common note
is in fact an E-flat, spelt ef rather than es in the default nederlands
note names.
regards,
Colin
heck you're right. there's a thing called english which happens to be a
language which happens to be supported by lilypond (and probably even
there's someone out there who happens to speak it)
:-S
the original example posted by Ken is strictly incorrect and still
contains syntax errors though, but never mind. sorry for my confusion. I'm
used to the default note names in dutch and my "internal" parser warns me
when it reads "strange" constructs like {bf} or {ef,16}
:)
here's my suggestion then:
8<-
\version "2.12.3"
\include "english.ly"
\new PianoStaff <<
\new Staff = "up" <<
\clef treble
\key a \minor
\time 3/8
\new Voice {\voiceOne \relative c'' { g16 a bf f' bf, c } }
\new Voice {
\voiceTwo \relative c'
{
\change Staff = down \stemUp ef,16 f g a g a
}
}
>>
\new Staff = "down" {
\clef bass
\key a \minor
\time 3/8
\new Voice {
\voiceFour \relative c {
\mergeDifferentlyDottedOn
\mergeDifferentlyHeadedOn
e f4.
}
}
}
>>
8<-
greetings,
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Re: voice sharing the same note on different staves
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 21:40 +0100, Vicente Solsona wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:23:51 +0100, Ken wrote:
>
> > Not quite.
> >
> > Here's the fragment
> >
> > \new PianoStaff <<
> > \new Staff = "up" <<
> > \clef treble
> > \key a \minor
> > \time 3/8
> >
> > \new Voice [\voiceOne \relative c'' { g16 a bf f' bf, c } }
> > \new Voice {\voiceTwo \relative c' { ef,16 f g a g a } }
> > >>
> > \new Staff = "down" {
> > \clef bass
> > \key a \minor
> > \time 3/8
> >
> > \new Voice { \voiceFour \relative c { ef4. } }
> > }
> > >>
> >
> > Not sure what common notation should be but it seems to me that the E
> > flat
> > in the lower staff should have an up and down stem with the up stem
> > beamed
> > with the rest of the notes in voice 2.
> >
> > Thanks for the prompt reply. Btw, I tried various permutations of your
> > suggestions. The closest I got was the E flat of the second voice with a
> > \noBeam
> > Note heads merged correctly. Stems all correct. Except for the no beam.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Vicente Solsona
> > wrote:
>
> please remember to forward to the list.
> also please review your examples before posting. your example contains
> syntax errors.
>
> there's no E flat in your example. the only common note between voices 2
> and 4 is an F (if I've interpreted your example correctly). Here's how I
> would "mix" that F (result attached):
I believe the OP was using english.ly for note names, so the common note
is in fact an E-flat, spelt ef rather than es in the default nederlands
note names.
regards,
Colin
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Re: voice sharing the same note on different staves
On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:01:18 +0100, Ken wrote: Hi, I tried looking in archives for a solution to my problem but I'm not sure quite how to put in a search description. I'm writing a 3-part piece for the piano. 3 voices. In one measure, I have the second and third (voiceFour in lliypond because the stems are down) share the same note. The second voice is a 16th note while the third voice is a dotted quarter. I'd like to have the note in the bass stave and have 2 stems, one up and one down. The up one is beamed with the rest of the notes of the second voice. How do I do this? Thanks! Ken doesn't \mergeDifferentlyHeadedOn and \mergeDifferentlyDottedOn do what you want? greetings, Vicente ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: voice sharing the same note on different staves
On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:01:18 +0100, Ken wrote: Hi, I tried looking in archives for a solution to my problem but I'm not sure quite how to put in a search description. I'm writing a 3-part piece for the piano. 3 voices. In one measure, I have the second and third (voiceFour in lliypond because the stems are down) share the same note. The second voice is a 16th note while the third voice is a dotted quarter. I'd like to have the note in the bass stave and have 2 stems, one up and one down. The up one is beamed with the rest of the notes of the second voice. How do I do this? Thanks! Ken and probably \change Staff = "down" too? greetings, Vicente ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: voice sharing the same note on different staves
On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:23:51 +0100, Ken wrote:
Not quite.
Here's the fragment
\new PianoStaff <<
\new Staff = "up" <<
\clef treble
\key a \minor
\time 3/8
\new Voice [\voiceOne \relative c'' { g16 a bf f' bf, c } }
\new Voice {\voiceTwo \relative c' { ef,16 f g a g a } }
>>
\new Staff = "down" {
\clef bass
\key a \minor
\time 3/8
\new Voice { \voiceFour \relative c { ef4. } }
}
>>
Not sure what common notation should be but it seems to me that the E
flat
in the lower staff should have an up and down stem with the up stem
beamed
with the rest of the notes in voice 2.
Thanks for the prompt reply. Btw, I tried various permutations of your
suggestions. The closest I got was the E flat of the second voice with a
\noBeam
Note heads merged correctly. Stems all correct. Except for the no beam.
Ken
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Vicente Solsona
wrote:
please remember to forward to the list.
also please review your examples before posting. your example contains
syntax errors.
there's no E flat in your example. the only common note between voices 2
and 4 is an F (if I've interpreted your example correctly). Here's how I
would "mix" that F (result attached):
---8<--
\version "2.12.3" % should also work on 2.13
\new PianoStaff <<
\new Staff = "up" <<
\clef treble
\key a \minor
\time 3/8
\new Voice {\voiceOne \relative c'' { g16 a b f f' b f, c } }
\new Voice {
\voiceTwo \relative c'
{
e \change Staff = down \stemUp f,16 f g a g a
}
}
>>
\new Staff = "down" {
\clef bass
\key a \minor
\time 3/8
\new Voice {
\voiceFour \relative c {
\mergeDifferentlyDottedOn
\mergeDifferentlyHeadedOn
e f4.
}
}
}
>>
---8<--
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Re: voice sharing the same note on different staves
On 04/11/10 05:01, Ken wrote: Hi, I tried looking in archives for a solution to my problem but I'm not sure quite how to put in a search description. I'm writing a 3-part piece for the piano. 3 voices. In one measure, I have the second and third (voiceFour in lliypond because the stems are down) share the same note. The second voice is a 16th note while the third voice is a dotted quarter. I'd like to have the note in the bass stave and have 2 stems, one up and one down. The up one is beamed with the rest of the notes of the second voice. How do I do this? Use \mergeDifferentlyHeadedOn and \mergeDifferentlyDottedOn. Look up "collision resolution" in s.1.5.2 of the notation reference. Nick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
