Re: [linux-sunxi] Requesting Help on a USD15, Allwinner Quadcore 1.2Ghz 64-bit A53 Hardware
Hi KH: I think what Luc said is very true. The efficiency and power of open source community in helping developing a new thing depends on how open the hardware upstream is toward to the spec of the hardware. I am not currently working on Ubuntu arm port, but I am woring on other Linux (e.g., Mageia) to an Arm SBC board, (r.g., Banana Pi M1 using allwinner A20). Once you have more developing boards available, I'd like to see whether I can also install Linux bootlaoder to your pine64. Let me know once you have it. Regards Shelandy KH Goh於 2015年12月2日星期三 UTC-6上午12時35分49秒寫道： > Hi Priit Laes, > Thank for the info. Currently we are in the process of sorting out our > documentation. Will update in the http://linux-sunxi.org/New_Device_howto > once it is ready. > > > Anyway, the regulator used in Pine64 is AXP803 and the Wifi/BT is Realtek > RTL-8273. > > > Regards, > KH Goh > > On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 3:12:21 PM UTC+8, Priit Laes wrote:On Sat, > 2015-11-28 at 17:43 -0800, KH Goh wrote: > > > > [...] > > > In terms of the hardware, at the moment we are having 2 unit of > > > Pine64 Engineering board (Please refer here for the > > > spec http://pine64.com/product ), and would like to donate it to the > > > community for further evaluation and testing. Since we are a newcomer > > > in this community, we would like you to advise us on who and where > > > should we send the 2 board to. > > > > You can already start with the new device howto - http://linux-sunxi.or > > g/New_Device_howto > > > > This would be a nice second step to working together with community. > > > > Do you also have access and/or permission to "publish" the datasheets > > (A53, AXP??? and Wifi/BT) and BSP? > > > > Also, on http://pine64.com/product#intro could you label all the ports > > and expansion headers (I can see from the board that there are > > headers/sockets for TP, CSI, DSI, RTC, VBAT, POWER, UART). And what > > regulator chip (AXP???) and wifi/bluetooth chip does it use? > > > > And a typo "muti-channel" on that page. > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your advise and appreciate your kind assistance. > > > Regards, > > > KH Goh > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 9:01:31 PM UTC+8, Luc Verhaegen > > > wrote: > > > > On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 12:38:16AM -0800, khg...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > We are a group of people currently trying to come out with a very > > > > low > > > > > cost single board computer, by making use of Allwinner Quadcore > > > > 1.2Ghz > > > > > 64-bit A53 CPU. The target costing for the single board computer > > > > is > > > > > USD15. The hardware will have a 4K HDMI video output and on board > > > > > ethernet connection. Further more, each board will has its own > > > > unique > > > > > MAC address. The objective for this project is to allow > > > > individual, > > > > > having the opportunity to learn IT knowledge with a friction of > > > > the > > > > > cost. Please refer to pine64.com for more detail on the hardware > > > > > specification. > > > > > > > > > > Currently, the hardware development on the board is almost ready. > > > > And > > > > > with us, is the full Linux BSP with the true 64bit compiler. Due > > > > to > > > > > budget constrain and our limited know-how in Linux, We would like > > > > to > > > > > request the help from this community to bring up the Linux into a > > > > full > > > > > function Ubuntu desktop, thus allow the user to truly owning a > > > > fully > > > > > function open source computer with just a friction of the cost. > > > > > > > > > > As for the hardware itself, currently we are in the mist of > > > > building > > > > > some sample board to allow any interested developer to work on > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regard, > > > > > KH Goh > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Thanks for contacting the canonical source of most things > > > > sunxi/allwinner before actually launching your kickstarter > > > > campaign. > > > > > > > > This is the first time since the original cubieboard that such a > > > > thing > > > > has happened. Many companies with similar products only afterwards > > > > find > > > > out to what extent they do depend on the linux-sunxi community, and > > > > then > > > > change their story in either direction. Often the work done by the > > > > people of the linux-sunxi community gets used directly, > > > > cloned/forked, > > > > and nothing is ever given back. > > > > > > > > As you can see, we (and while i do not speak for all of us, i know > > > > that > > > > i am not alone here) are sceptical about whoever approaches us like > > > > this, especially when one of the first statements is "budget > > > > constraints". You cannot expect the linux-sunxi community to do > > > > your > > > > work for you for free. > > > > > > > > You should
Re: [linux-sunxi] Requesting Help on a USD15, Allwinner Quadcore 1.2Ghz 64-bit A53 Hardware
Noted and thanks. Regards, KH Goh On 12/7/2015 1:41 PM, shela...@gmail.com wrote: Hi KH: I think what Luc said is very true. The efficiency and power of open source community in helping developing a new thing depends on how open the hardware upstream is toward to the spec of the hardware. I am not currently working on Ubuntu arm port, but I am woring on other Linux (e.g., Mageia) to an Arm SBC board, (r.g., Banana Pi M1 using allwinner A20). Once you have more developing boards available, I'd like to see whether I can also install Linux bootlaoder to your pine64. Let me know once you have it. Regards Shelandy KH Goh於 2015年12月2日星期三 UTC-6上午12時35分49秒寫道： Hi Priit Laes, Thank for the info. Currently we are in the process of sorting out our documentation. Will update in the http://linux-sunxi.org/New_Device_howto once it is ready. Anyway, the regulator used in Pine64 is AXP803 and the Wifi/BT is Realtek RTL-8273. Regards, KH Goh On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 3:12:21 PM UTC+8, Priit Laes wrote:On Sat, 2015-11-28 at 17:43 -0800, KH Goh wrote: [...] In terms of the hardware, at the moment we are having 2 unit of Pine64 Engineering board (Please refer here for the spec http://pine64.com/product ), and would like to donate it to the community for further evaluation and testing. Since we are a newcomer in this community, we would like you to advise us on who and where should we send the 2 board to. You can already start with the new device howto - http://linux-sunxi.or g/New_Device_howto This would be a nice second step to working together with community. Do you also have access and/or permission to "publish" the datasheets (A53, AXP??? and Wifi/BT) and BSP? Also, on http://pine64.com/product#intro could you label all the ports and expansion headers (I can see from the board that there are headers/sockets for TP, CSI, DSI, RTC, VBAT, POWER, UART). And what regulator chip (AXP???) and wifi/bluetooth chip does it use? And a typo "muti-channel" on that page. Thanks for your advise and appreciate your kind assistance. Regards, KH Goh On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 9:01:31 PM UTC+8, Luc Verhaegen wrote: On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 12:38:16AM -0800, khg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, We are a group of people currently trying to come out with a very low cost single board computer, by making use of Allwinner Quadcore 1.2Ghz 64-bit A53 CPU. The target costing for the single board computer is USD15. The hardware will have a 4K HDMI video output and on board ethernet connection. Further more, each board will has its own unique MAC address. The objective for this project is to allow individual, having the opportunity to learn IT knowledge with a friction of the cost. Please refer to pine64.com for more detail on the hardware specification. Currently, the hardware development on the board is almost ready. And with us, is the full Linux BSP with the true 64bit compiler. Due to budget constrain and our limited know-how in Linux, We would like to request the help from this community to bring up the Linux into a full function Ubuntu desktop, thus allow the user to truly owning a fully function open source computer with just a friction of the cost. As for the hardware itself, currently we are in the mist of building some sample board to allow any interested developer to work on it. Thanks and Regard, KH Goh Hi, Thanks for contacting the canonical source of most things sunxi/allwinner before actually launching your kickstarter campaign. This is the first time since the original cubieboard that such a thing has happened. Many companies with similar products only afterwards find out to what extent they do depend on the linux-sunxi community, and then change their story in either direction. Often the work done by the people of the linux-sunxi community gets used directly, cloned/forked, and nothing is ever given back. As you can see, we (and while i do not speak for all of us, i know that i am not alone here) are sceptical about whoever approaches us like this, especially when one of the first statements is "budget constraints". You cannot expect the linux-sunxi community to do your work for you for free. You should however donate boards to many known and active linux- sunxi developers, but for that you must not expect anything in return. Whatever then happens, happens, or it doesn't. The results are usually quite positive, especially given the limited cost of said boards, but it will hardly ever consist of full support for your product (especially when based on a new SoC variant). If you wish to have more complete support, you can always try to hire known linux-sunxi developers directly, or work with those members of our community who do contracting. The choice is up to you. Thanks for reaching out to us before launching your marketing campaign, i hope that your collaboration with linux-sunxi ends up being just as fruitful as your kickstarter. Luc
Re: [linux-sunxi] Requesting Help on a USD15, Allwinner Quadcore 1.2Ghz 64-bit A53 Hardware
Hi Priit Laes, Thank for the info. Currently we are in the process of sorting out our documentation. Will update in the http://linux-sunxi.org/New_Device_howto once it is ready. Anyway, the regulator used in Pine64 is AXP803 and the Wifi/BT is Realtek RTL-8273. Regards, KH Goh On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 3:12:21 PM UTC+8, Priit Laes wrote: > > On Sat, 2015-11-28 at 17:43 -0800, KH Goh wrote: > > [...] > > In terms of the hardware, at the moment we are having 2 unit of > > Pine64 Engineering board (Please refer here for the > > spec http://pine64.com/product ), and would like to donate it to the > > community for further evaluation and testing. Since we are a newcomer > > in this community, we would like you to advise us on who and where > > should we send the 2 board to. > > You can already start with the new device howto - http://linux-sunxi.or > g/New_Device_howto > > This would be a nice second step to working together with community. > > Do you also have access and/or permission to "publish" the datasheets > (A53, AXP??? and Wifi/BT) and BSP? > > Also, on http://pine64.com/product#intro could you label all the ports > and expansion headers (I can see from the board that there are > headers/sockets for TP, CSI, DSI, RTC, VBAT, POWER, UART). And what > regulator chip (AXP???) and wifi/bluetooth chip does it use? > > And a typo "muti-channel" on that page. > > > > > Thanks for your advise and appreciate your kind assistance. > > Regards, > > KH Goh > > > > > > On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 9:01:31 PM UTC+8, Luc Verhaegen > > wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 12:38:16AM -0800, khg...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > We are a group of people currently trying to come out with a very > > > low > > > > cost single board computer, by making use of Allwinner Quadcore > > > 1.2Ghz > > > > 64-bit A53 CPU. The target costing for the single board computer > > > is > > > > USD15. The hardware will have a 4K HDMI video output and on board > > > > ethernet connection. Further more, each board will has its own > > > unique > > > > MAC address. The objective for this project is to allow > > > individual, > > > > having the opportunity to learn IT knowledge with a friction of > > > the > > > > cost. Please refer to pine64.com for more detail on the hardware > > > > specification. > > > > > > > > Currently, the hardware development on the board is almost ready. > > > And > > > > with us, is the full Linux BSP with the true 64bit compiler. Due > > > to > > > > budget constrain and our limited know-how in Linux, We would like > > > to > > > > request the help from this community to bring up the Linux into a > > > full > > > > function Ubuntu desktop, thus allow the user to truly owning a > > > fully > > > > function open source computer with just a friction of the cost. > > > > > > > > As for the hardware itself, currently we are in the mist of > > > building > > > > some sample board to allow any interested developer to work on > > > it. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regard, > > > > KH Goh > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Thanks for contacting the canonical source of most things > > > sunxi/allwinner before actually launching your kickstarter > > > campaign. > > > > > > This is the first time since the original cubieboard that such a > > > thing > > > has happened. Many companies with similar products only afterwards > > > find > > > out to what extent they do depend on the linux-sunxi community, and > > > then > > > change their story in either direction. Often the work done by the > > > people of the linux-sunxi community gets used directly, > > > cloned/forked, > > > and nothing is ever given back. > > > > > > As you can see, we (and while i do not speak for all of us, i know > > > that > > > i am not alone here) are sceptical about whoever approaches us like > > > this, especially when one of the first statements is "budget > > > constraints". You cannot expect the linux-sunxi community to do > > > your > > > work for you for free. > > > > > > You should however donate boards to many known and active linux- > > > sunxi > > > developers, but for that you must not expect anything in return. > > > Whatever then happens, happens, or it doesn't. The results are > > > usually > > > quite positive, especially given the limited cost of said boards, > > > but it > > > will hardly ever consist of full support for your product > > > (especially > > > when based on a new SoC variant). > > > > > > If you wish to have more complete support, you can always try to > > > hire > > > known linux-sunxi developers directly, or work with those members > > > of our > > > community who do contracting. The choice is up to you. > > > > > > Thanks for reaching out to us before launching your marketing > > > campaign, > > > i hope that your collaboration with linux-sunxi ends up being just > > > as > > > fruitful as your
Re: [linux-sunxi] Requesting Help on a USD15, Allwinner Quadcore 1.2Ghz 64-bit A53 Hardware
Hi, Our first production trial run will be some where around end of Jan 2016. After that, we will reserve 20pcs of the boards for the community. So, should be able to send the board out on beginning of Feb. Regards, KH Goh On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 12:02:56 AM UTC+8, Luc Verhaegen wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 05:43:45PM -0800, KH Goh wrote: > > Hi Luc Verhaegen, > > Thanks for your advise, we get what you are saying. From our side, we > are > > trying out best to work closely with the open source community and > trying > > to do our part as much as possibly can. We are committed to make our > > hardware and software as open as possible, but subject to the license > > agreement that place upon us by our supplier. But by having a good > > relationship between us and the supplier, I think we should be able to > iron > > out most of the problem. > > > > In terms of the hardware, at the moment we are having 2 unit of Pine64 > > Engineering board (Please refer here for the spec > http://pine64.com/product > > ), and would like to donate it to the community for further evaluation > and > > testing. Since we are a newcomer in this community, we would like you to > > advise us on who and where should we send the 2 board to. > > > > Thanks for your advise and appreciate your kind assistance. > > Regards, > > KH Goh > > > > > > On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 9:01:31 PM UTC+8, Luc Verhaegen wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 12:38:16AM -0800, khg...@gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for contacting the canonical source of most things > > > sunxi/allwinner before actually launching your kickstarter campaign. > > > > > > This is the first time since the original cubieboard that such a thing > > > has happened. Many companies with similar products only afterwards > find > > > out to what extent they do depend on the linux-sunxi community, and > then > > > change their story in either direction. Often the work done by the > > > people of the linux-sunxi community gets used directly, cloned/forked, > > > and nothing is ever given back. > > > > > > As you can see, we (and while i do not speak for all of us, i know > that > > > i am not alone here) are sceptical about whoever approaches us like > > > this, especially when one of the first statements is "budget > > > constraints". You cannot expect the linux-sunxi community to do your > > > work for you for free. > > > > > > You should however donate boards to many known and active linux-sunxi > > > developers, but for that you must not expect anything in return. > > > Whatever then happens, happens, or it doesn't. The results are usually > > > quite positive, especially given the limited cost of said boards, but > it > > > will hardly ever consist of full support for your product (especially > > > when based on a new SoC variant). > > > > > > If you wish to have more complete support, you can always try to hire > > > known linux-sunxi developers directly, or work with those members of > our > > > community who do contracting. The choice is up to you. > > > > > > Thanks for reaching out to us before launching your marketing > campaign, > > > i hope that your collaboration with linux-sunxi ends up being just as > > > fruitful as your kickstarter. > > > > Thanks for your advise, we get what you are saying. From our side, we > are > > trying out best to work closely with the open source community and > trying > > to do our part as much as possibly can. We are committed to make our > > hardware and software as open as possible, but subject to the license > > agreement that place upon us by our supplier. But by having a good > > relationship between us and the supplier, I think we should be able to > iron > > out most of the problem. > > That last sentence reads, to me, as; "we will work out all product > support issues with our supplier" (being allwinner). > > That then makes me wonder how far along you are with developing > software support for your product. You will be amazed to what extent you > do depend on linux-sunxi, for a very broad range of what you would call > product support. > > I do wish to warn you though, about the use of the term "open source > platform". Be very careful with your marketing there: > 1) I see no indication that your product will be "open source hardware" > (OSHW), like with Olimex devices. > 2) Allwinner is known to ship binary, GPL violating, blobs and to need > hard convincing to change this. The status of their ffmpeg LGPL > violation is still very questionable, but has entered a dark grey zone > now, where legal action is a toss-up. Allwinner, and its customers, had > to be forced, hard, and even then did only as much as they could get > away with. > 3) Due to the hardware you are using, you are going to have non open > source software (CedarX, Mali). > > All three of the above make your statement that
Re: [linux-sunxi] Requesting Help on a USD15, Allwinner Quadcore 1.2Ghz 64-bit A53 Hardware
Hi, Will currently in the process of sorting out and finalizing our the documentation. Once it is ready we will post up the hardware port and pin assignment. Hopefully it will ready in about 2 Weeks time. Regards, KH Goh On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 3:12:21 PM UTC+8, Priit Laes wrote: > > On Sat, 2015-11-28 at 17:43 -0800, KH Goh wrote: > > [...] > > In terms of the hardware, at the moment we are having 2 unit of > > Pine64 Engineering board (Please refer here for the > > spec http://pine64.com/product ), and would like to donate it to the > > community for further evaluation and testing. Since we are a newcomer > > in this community, we would like you to advise us on who and where > > should we send the 2 board to. > > You can already start with the new device howto - http://linux-sunxi.or > g/New_Device_howto > > This would be a nice second step to working together with community. > > Do you also have access and/or permission to "publish" the datasheets > (A53, AXP??? and Wifi/BT) and BSP? > > Also, on http://pine64.com/product#intro could you label all the ports > and expansion headers (I can see from the board that there are > headers/sockets for TP, CSI, DSI, RTC, VBAT, POWER, UART). And what > regulator chip (AXP???) and wifi/bluetooth chip does it use? > > And a typo "muti-channel" on that page. > > > > > Thanks for your advise and appreciate your kind assistance. > > Regards, > > KH Goh > > > > > > On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 9:01:31 PM UTC+8, Luc Verhaegen > > wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 12:38:16AM -0800, khg...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > We are a group of people currently trying to come out with a very > > > low > > > > cost single board computer, by making use of Allwinner Quadcore > > > 1.2Ghz > > > > 64-bit A53 CPU. The target costing for the single board computer > > > is > > > > USD15. The hardware will have a 4K HDMI video output and on board > > > > ethernet connection. Further more, each board will has its own > > > unique > > > > MAC address. The objective for this project is to allow > > > individual, > > > > having the opportunity to learn IT knowledge with a friction of > > > the > > > > cost. Please refer to pine64.com for more detail on the hardware > > > > specification. > > > > > > > > Currently, the hardware development on the board is almost ready. > > > And > > > > with us, is the full Linux BSP with the true 64bit compiler. Due > > > to > > > > budget constrain and our limited know-how in Linux, We would like > > > to > > > > request the help from this community to bring up the Linux into a > > > full > > > > function Ubuntu desktop, thus allow the user to truly owning a > > > fully > > > > function open source computer with just a friction of the cost. > > > > > > > > As for the hardware itself, currently we are in the mist of > > > building > > > > some sample board to allow any interested developer to work on > > > it. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regard, > > > > KH Goh > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Thanks for contacting the canonical source of most things > > > sunxi/allwinner before actually launching your kickstarter > > > campaign. > > > > > > This is the first time since the original cubieboard that such a > > > thing > > > has happened. Many companies with similar products only afterwards > > > find > > > out to what extent they do depend on the linux-sunxi community, and > > > then > > > change their story in either direction. Often the work done by the > > > people of the linux-sunxi community gets used directly, > > > cloned/forked, > > > and nothing is ever given back. > > > > > > As you can see, we (and while i do not speak for all of us, i know > > > that > > > i am not alone here) are sceptical about whoever approaches us like > > > this, especially when one of the first statements is "budget > > > constraints". You cannot expect the linux-sunxi community to do > > > your > > > work for you for free. > > > > > > You should however donate boards to many known and active linux- > > > sunxi > > > developers, but for that you must not expect anything in return. > > > Whatever then happens, happens, or it doesn't. The results are > > > usually > > > quite positive, especially given the limited cost of said boards, > > > but it > > > will hardly ever consist of full support for your product > > > (especially > > > when based on a new SoC variant). > > > > > > If you wish to have more complete support, you can always try to > > > hire > > > known linux-sunxi developers directly, or work with those members > > > of our > > > community who do contracting. The choice is up to you. > > > > > > Thanks for reaching out to us before launching your marketing > > > campaign, > > > i hope that your collaboration with linux-sunxi ends up being just > > > as > > > fruitful as your kickstarter. > > > > > > Luc Verhaegen. > > -- > > You
Re: [linux-sunxi] Requesting Help on a USD15, Allwinner Quadcore 1.2Ghz 64-bit A53 Hardware
On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 05:43:45PM -0800, KH Goh wrote: > Hi Luc Verhaegen, > Thanks for your advise, we get what you are saying. From our side, we are > trying out best to work closely with the open source community and trying > to do our part as much as possibly can. We are committed to make our > hardware and software as open as possible, but subject to the license > agreement that place upon us by our supplier. But by having a good > relationship between us and the supplier, I think we should be able to iron > out most of the problem. > > In terms of the hardware, at the moment we are having 2 unit of Pine64 > Engineering board (Please refer here for the spec http://pine64.com/product > ), and would like to donate it to the community for further evaluation and > testing. Since we are a newcomer in this community, we would like you to > advise us on who and where should we send the 2 board to. > > Thanks for your advise and appreciate your kind assistance. > Regards, > KH Goh > > > On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 9:01:31 PM UTC+8, Luc Verhaegen wrote: > > > > On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 12:38:16AM -0800, khg...@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > > Thanks for contacting the canonical source of most things > > sunxi/allwinner before actually launching your kickstarter campaign. > > > > This is the first time since the original cubieboard that such a thing > > has happened. Many companies with similar products only afterwards find > > out to what extent they do depend on the linux-sunxi community, and then > > change their story in either direction. Often the work done by the > > people of the linux-sunxi community gets used directly, cloned/forked, > > and nothing is ever given back. > > > > As you can see, we (and while i do not speak for all of us, i know that > > i am not alone here) are sceptical about whoever approaches us like > > this, especially when one of the first statements is "budget > > constraints". You cannot expect the linux-sunxi community to do your > > work for you for free. > > > > You should however donate boards to many known and active linux-sunxi > > developers, but for that you must not expect anything in return. > > Whatever then happens, happens, or it doesn't. The results are usually > > quite positive, especially given the limited cost of said boards, but it > > will hardly ever consist of full support for your product (especially > > when based on a new SoC variant). > > > > If you wish to have more complete support, you can always try to hire > > known linux-sunxi developers directly, or work with those members of our > > community who do contracting. The choice is up to you. > > > > Thanks for reaching out to us before launching your marketing campaign, > > i hope that your collaboration with linux-sunxi ends up being just as > > fruitful as your kickstarter. > > Thanks for your advise, we get what you are saying. From our side, we are > trying out best to work closely with the open source community and trying > to do our part as much as possibly can. We are committed to make our > hardware and software as open as possible, but subject to the license > agreement that place upon us by our supplier. But by having a good > relationship between us and the supplier, I think we should be able to iron > out most of the problem. That last sentence reads, to me, as; "we will work out all product support issues with our supplier" (being allwinner). That then makes me wonder how far along you are with developing software support for your product. You will be amazed to what extent you do depend on linux-sunxi, for a very broad range of what you would call product support. I do wish to warn you though, about the use of the term "open source platform". Be very careful with your marketing there: 1) I see no indication that your product will be "open source hardware" (OSHW), like with Olimex devices. 2) Allwinner is known to ship binary, GPL violating, blobs and to need hard convincing to change this. The status of their ffmpeg LGPL violation is still very questionable, but has entered a dark grey zone now, where legal action is a toss-up. Allwinner, and its customers, had to be forced, hard, and even then did only as much as they could get away with. 3) Due to the hardware you are using, you are going to have non open source software (CedarX, Mali). All three of the above make your statement that "The PINE64 platform is fully open source" very questionable. So given both of the above points, i implore you to do more than your competition, otherwise you will risk becoming yet another $shit_pi creating vendor, joining the ranks of bananapi and orangepi, and a whole bunch of companies/boards just like them. > In terms of the hardware, at the moment we are having 2 unit of Pine64 > Engineering board (Please refer here for the spec http://pine64.com/product > ), and would like to donate it to the community for further evaluation and >
[linux-sunxi] Requesting Help on a USD15, Allwinner Quadcore 1.2Ghz 64-bit A53 Hardware
Hi, We are a group of people currently trying to come out with a very low cost single board computer, by making use of Allwinner Quadcore 1.2Ghz 64-bit A53 CPU. The target costing for the single board computer is USD15. The hardware will have a 4K HDMI video output and on board ethernet connection. Further more, each board will has its own unique MAC address. The objective for this project is to allow individual, having the opportunity to learn IT knowledge with a friction of the cost. Please refer to pine64.com for more detail on the hardware specification. Currently, the hardware development on the board is almost ready. And with us, is the full Linux BSP with the true 64bit compiler. Due to budget constrain and our limited know-how in Linux, We would like to request the help from this community to bring up the Linux into a full function Ubuntu desktop, thus allow the user to truly owning a fully function open source computer with just a friction of the cost. As for the hardware itself, currently we are in the mist of building some sample board to allow any interested developer to work on it. Thanks and Regard, KH Goh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "linux-sunxi" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [linux-sunxi] Requesting Help on a USD15, Allwinner Quadcore 1.2Ghz 64-bit A53 Hardware
On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 12:38:16AM -0800, khgo...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi, > We are a group of people currently trying to come out with a very low > cost single board computer, by making use of Allwinner Quadcore 1.2Ghz > 64-bit A53 CPU. The target costing for the single board computer is > USD15. The hardware will have a 4K HDMI video output and on board > ethernet connection. Further more, each board will has its own unique > MAC address. The objective for this project is to allow individual, > having the opportunity to learn IT knowledge with a friction of the > cost. Please refer to pine64.com for more detail on the hardware > specification. > > Currently, the hardware development on the board is almost ready. And > with us, is the full Linux BSP with the true 64bit compiler. Due to > budget constrain and our limited know-how in Linux, We would like to > request the help from this community to bring up the Linux into a full > function Ubuntu desktop, thus allow the user to truly owning a fully > function open source computer with just a friction of the cost. > > As for the hardware itself, currently we are in the mist of building > some sample board to allow any interested developer to work on it. > > Thanks and Regard, > KH Goh Hi, Thanks for contacting the canonical source of most things sunxi/allwinner before actually launching your kickstarter campaign. This is the first time since the original cubieboard that such a thing has happened. Many companies with similar products only afterwards find out to what extent they do depend on the linux-sunxi community, and then change their story in either direction. Often the work done by the people of the linux-sunxi community gets used directly, cloned/forked, and nothing is ever given back. As you can see, we (and while i do not speak for all of us, i know that i am not alone here) are sceptical about whoever approaches us like this, especially when one of the first statements is "budget constraints". You cannot expect the linux-sunxi community to do your work for you for free. You should however donate boards to many known and active linux-sunxi developers, but for that you must not expect anything in return. Whatever then happens, happens, or it doesn't. The results are usually quite positive, especially given the limited cost of said boards, but it will hardly ever consist of full support for your product (especially when based on a new SoC variant). If you wish to have more complete support, you can always try to hire known linux-sunxi developers directly, or work with those members of our community who do contracting. The choice is up to you. Thanks for reaching out to us before launching your marketing campaign, i hope that your collaboration with linux-sunxi ends up being just as fruitful as your kickstarter. Luc Verhaegen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "linux-sunxi" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [linux-sunxi] Requesting Help on a USD15, Allwinner Quadcore 1.2Ghz 64-bit A53 Hardware
Hi John, Thanks for the memory size suggestion. This is the area that we will definitely look in to it. Will update the group when we have more info on it. Regards, KH Goh On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 10:24:51 PM UTC+8, John S wrote: > > > Please refer to pine64.com for more detail on the hardware > specification. > > I supposeI missed it but I didn't find the kinds of things people working > on U-Boot or Linux etc might need, such as full (English) documentation and > complete schematics. I hope I just missed them and that they are > available, now, and do not require any NDA (non-disclosure agreement). > > BTW, I expect more than 1GB RAM would be useful as an option. > > John > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "linux-sunxi" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [linux-sunxi] Requesting Help on a USD15, Allwinner Quadcore 1.2Ghz 64-bit A53 Hardware
Hi Luc Verhaegen, Thanks for your advise, we get what you are saying. From our side, we are trying out best to work closely with the open source community and trying to do our part as much as possibly can. We are committed to make our hardware and software as open as possible, but subject to the license agreement that place upon us by our supplier. But by having a good relationship between us and the supplier, I think we should be able to iron out most of the problem. In terms of the hardware, at the moment we are having 2 unit of Pine64 Engineering board (Please refer here for the spec http://pine64.com/product ), and would like to donate it to the community for further evaluation and testing. Since we are a newcomer in this community, we would like you to advise us on who and where should we send the 2 board to. Thanks for your advise and appreciate your kind assistance. Regards, KH Goh On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 9:01:31 PM UTC+8, Luc Verhaegen wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 12:38:16AM -0800, khg...@gmail.com > wrote: > > Hi, > > We are a group of people currently trying to come out with a very low > > cost single board computer, by making use of Allwinner Quadcore 1.2Ghz > > 64-bit A53 CPU. The target costing for the single board computer is > > USD15. The hardware will have a 4K HDMI video output and on board > > ethernet connection. Further more, each board will has its own unique > > MAC address. The objective for this project is to allow individual, > > having the opportunity to learn IT knowledge with a friction of the > > cost. Please refer to pine64.com for more detail on the hardware > > specification. > > > > Currently, the hardware development on the board is almost ready. And > > with us, is the full Linux BSP with the true 64bit compiler. Due to > > budget constrain and our limited know-how in Linux, We would like to > > request the help from this community to bring up the Linux into a full > > function Ubuntu desktop, thus allow the user to truly owning a fully > > function open source computer with just a friction of the cost. > > > > As for the hardware itself, currently we are in the mist of building > > some sample board to allow any interested developer to work on it. > > > > Thanks and Regard, > > KH Goh > > Hi, > > Thanks for contacting the canonical source of most things > sunxi/allwinner before actually launching your kickstarter campaign. > > This is the first time since the original cubieboard that such a thing > has happened. Many companies with similar products only afterwards find > out to what extent they do depend on the linux-sunxi community, and then > change their story in either direction. Often the work done by the > people of the linux-sunxi community gets used directly, cloned/forked, > and nothing is ever given back. > > As you can see, we (and while i do not speak for all of us, i know that > i am not alone here) are sceptical about whoever approaches us like > this, especially when one of the first statements is "budget > constraints". You cannot expect the linux-sunxi community to do your > work for you for free. > > You should however donate boards to many known and active linux-sunxi > developers, but for that you must not expect anything in return. > Whatever then happens, happens, or it doesn't. The results are usually > quite positive, especially given the limited cost of said boards, but it > will hardly ever consist of full support for your product (especially > when based on a new SoC variant). > > If you wish to have more complete support, you can always try to hire > known linux-sunxi developers directly, or work with those members of our > community who do contracting. The choice is up to you. > > Thanks for reaching out to us before launching your marketing campaign, > i hope that your collaboration with linux-sunxi ends up being just as > fruitful as your kickstarter. > > Luc Verhaegen. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "linux-sunxi" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
