Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Give me a few days (as the work week is here) And I can get something ready
that we can pass around. That is with the go ahead from the people running
this thing , I was told on IRC that they were still working on something
before releasing an ISO , But in any case now or later I'm willing to do
this.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:26 PM, jon york  wrote:

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[jon york]

Hi guys, why dont we move this to the forum where it can be easier to document 
and organize these conversations?

also on that topic, in my opinion, we need to divide us into work partners, as 
right now, there is much discussion and no work being done. I think the first 
step, is quite simply that a select few people, who know LXDE and ubuntu the 
best, that they can create a base system that we can work with. this system 
should be very small, and include nothing but the neccesairy files to run lxde 
on ubuntu, as well as synaptic. that way, we can all have the same base system 
to work with, and test things out with.

Jon York



From: wiebelh...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:41:09 -0500
To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy &   
Slow)

Stabilized without hiccups at 128mb ram , that's without youtube lagging out , 
you can go lower no doubt.  

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Dallas Wiebelhaus  wrote:


By the way , Chrome fits in like it's native and is running hella fast on this 
DE on my test box. I'm about to crank the ram down and see how low I can get.



On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Andrew Woodhead 
 wrote:



This is kinda surplus, the system is still ubuntu based so the standard repos 
can be used to install apps if they are needed.



If the OS is going to be as it says below, you may as well install a minimal 
install then have a gui to select apps which can then be installed off the 
repos. This however isn't the case, we are trying to make a smalland efficient 
distro with a decent amount of functionality without bloating the system with 
the likes of evolution, openoffice and firefox. These are fully installable 
once the installation has completed but the initial base system should be slick 
and quick





On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:14 AM, C David Rigby  wrote:




On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:40 +0100, Ed Hewitt and several others wrote:







Restating the obvious, but the engineering trade off is always between

"ease of use/fully featured" on the one hand and lightweight on the

other. The necessary criterion is to decide what we really want to

build, and make it unique and useful enough to attract interest.



I've proposed it before, but I'll say it again as more people are on the

list now (sorry that I've missed the IRC meetings for the last two weeks

where the app mix has been the topic of discussion). How about the

possibility of a very slim base install with the installer offering

"bundles" to meet individual needs and desires? Something like the

FreeBSD or Debian text installers comes to mind.



The base installation would be just a command-line, network-capable

system plus enough of X to get LXDE operational. We would be pushing the

real work to the installer. The installer, whether text-based or

grahpical, would need to provide a lot of choices of bundles to

install.



More importantly, I think the installer should provide something I have

yet to see. That something is extensive documentation of the choices of

bundles of applications, and what they mean in terms of system

performance vs features. It should be organized so that a savvy user

could bypass the explanations (or load a jumpstart script), but a novice

would get a detailed explanation of what the choices are and what they

mean for the final installed system.



My $0.02.



Cheers

C David Rigby





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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Stabilized without hiccups at 128mb ram , that's without youtube lagging out
, you can go lower no doubt.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Dallas Wiebelhaus wrote:

> By the way , Chrome fits in like it's native and is running hella fast on
> this DE on my test box. I'm about to crank the ram down and see how low I
> can get.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
> andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is kinda surplus, the system is still ubuntu based so the standard
>> repos can be used to install apps if they are needed.
>> If the OS is going to be as it says below, you may as well install a
>> minimal install then have a gui to select apps which can then be installed
>> off the repos. This however isn't the case, we are trying to make a smalland
>> efficient distro with a decent amount of functionality without bloating the
>> system with the likes of evolution, openoffice and firefox. These are fully
>> installable once the installation has completed but the initial base system
>> should be slick and quick
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:14 AM, C David Rigby 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:40 +0100, Ed Hewitt and several others wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Restating the obvious, but the engineering trade off is always between
>>> "ease of use/fully featured" on the one hand and lightweight on the
>>> other. The necessary criterion is to decide what we really want to
>>> build, and make it unique and useful enough to attract interest.
>>>
>>> I've proposed it before, but I'll say it again as more people are on the
>>> list now (sorry that I've missed the IRC meetings for the last two weeks
>>> where the app mix has been the topic of discussion). How about the
>>> possibility of a very slim base install with the installer offering
>>> "bundles" to meet individual needs and desires? Something like the
>>> FreeBSD or Debian text installers comes to mind.
>>>
>>> The base installation would be just a command-line, network-capable
>>> system plus enough of X to get LXDE operational. We would be pushing the
>>> real work to the installer. The installer, whether text-based or
>>> grahpical, would need to provide a lot of choices of bundles to
>>> install.
>>>
>>> More importantly, I think the installer should provide something I have
>>> yet to see. That something is extensive documentation of the choices of
>>> bundles of applications, and what they mean in terms of system
>>> performance vs features. It should be organized so that a savvy user
>>> could bypass the explanations (or load a jumpstart script), but a novice
>>> would get a detailed explanation of what the choices are and what they
>>> mean for the final installed system.
>>>
>>> My $0.02.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> C David Rigby
>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

By the way , Chrome fits in like it's native and is running hella fast on
this DE on my test box. I'm about to crank the ram down and see how low I
can get.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> This is kinda surplus, the system is still ubuntu based so the standard
> repos can be used to install apps if they are needed.
> If the OS is going to be as it says below, you may as well install a
> minimal install then have a gui to select apps which can then be installed
> off the repos. This however isn't the case, we are trying to make a smalland
> efficient distro with a decent amount of functionality without bloating the
> system with the likes of evolution, openoffice and firefox. These are fully
> installable once the installation has completed but the initial base system
> should be slick and quick
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:14 AM, C David Rigby wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:40 +0100, Ed Hewitt and several others wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Restating the obvious, but the engineering trade off is always between
>> "ease of use/fully featured" on the one hand and lightweight on the
>> other. The necessary criterion is to decide what we really want to
>> build, and make it unique and useful enough to attract interest.
>>
>> I've proposed it before, but I'll say it again as more people are on the
>> list now (sorry that I've missed the IRC meetings for the last two weeks
>> where the app mix has been the topic of discussion). How about the
>> possibility of a very slim base install with the installer offering
>> "bundles" to meet individual needs and desires? Something like the
>> FreeBSD or Debian text installers comes to mind.
>>
>> The base installation would be just a command-line, network-capable
>> system plus enough of X to get LXDE operational. We would be pushing the
>> real work to the installer. The installer, whether text-based or
>> grahpical, would need to provide a lot of choices of bundles to
>> install.
>>
>> More importantly, I think the installer should provide something I have
>> yet to see. That something is extensive documentation of the choices of
>> bundles of applications, and what they mean in terms of system
>> performance vs features. It should be organized so that a savvy user
>> could bypass the explanations (or load a jumpstart script), but a novice
>> would get a detailed explanation of what the choices are and what they
>> mean for the final installed system.
>>
>> My $0.02.
>>
>> Cheers
>> C David Rigby
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] U-Lite

[Andrew Woodhead]

There's also MoonOS. There are many distros with LXDE as default DE.

http://www.moonos.co.cc/



On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Dallas Wiebelhaus wrote:

> For some reason I had forgotten that U-Lite was using LXDE , I thought they
> were using XFCE , maybe because of the recent alpha screenshots.
>
> I just want to make sure that the Lubuntu people are Aware of U-Lite are
> these two projects related or completely separate?
>
> http://u-lite.org/
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Andrew Woodhead]

This is kinda surplus, the system is still ubuntu based so the standard
repos can be used to install apps if they are needed.
If the OS is going to be as it says below, you may as well install a minimal
install then have a gui to select apps which can then be installed off the
repos. This however isn't the case, we are trying to make a smalland
efficient distro with a decent amount of functionality without bloating the
system with the likes of evolution, openoffice and firefox. These are fully
installable once the installation has completed but the initial base system
should be slick and quick

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:14 AM, C David Rigby wrote:

> On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:40 +0100, Ed Hewitt and several others wrote:
>
> 
>
> Restating the obvious, but the engineering trade off is always between
> "ease of use/fully featured" on the one hand and lightweight on the
> other. The necessary criterion is to decide what we really want to
> build, and make it unique and useful enough to attract interest.
>
> I've proposed it before, but I'll say it again as more people are on the
> list now (sorry that I've missed the IRC meetings for the last two weeks
> where the app mix has been the topic of discussion). How about the
> possibility of a very slim base install with the installer offering
> "bundles" to meet individual needs and desires? Something like the
> FreeBSD or Debian text installers comes to mind.
>
> The base installation would be just a command-line, network-capable
> system plus enough of X to get LXDE operational. We would be pushing the
> real work to the installer. The installer, whether text-based or
> grahpical, would need to provide a lot of choices of bundles to
> install.
>
> More importantly, I think the installer should provide something I have
> yet to see. That something is extensive documentation of the choices of
> bundles of applications, and what they mean in terms of system
> performance vs features. It should be organized so that a savvy user
> could bypass the explanations (or load a jumpstart script), but a novice
> would get a detailed explanation of what the choices are and what they
> mean for the final installed system.
>
> My $0.02.
>
> Cheers
> C David Rigby
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] I think it is important to....

[Andrew Woodhead]

+1 this, 100%

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Tnelson Downs  wrote:

> I think it is important to include only lightweight programs in
> lubuntu. Lubuntu doesn't need openoffice, if people want bloat like
> that, they can just get ubuntu. Lubuntu should be light.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] U-Lite

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Hey! That's great no need for details if they are private I just wanted to
make sure by getting involved there was not going to be any toes being
stepped on.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:16 PM, C David Rigby wrote:

> On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:46 -0500, Dallas Wiebelhaus wrote:
> > For some reason I had forgotten that U-Lite was using LXDE , I thought
> > they were using XFCE , maybe because of the recent alpha screenshots.
> >
> > I just want to make sure that the Lubuntu people are Aware of U-Lite
> > are these two projects related or completely separate?
> >
> > http://u-lite.org/
>
> Shae Smittle, the maintainer and developer of U-lite, is involved with
> the Lubuntu project. I'll leave it to him to fill in details.
>
> Cheers
> C David Rigby
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] U-Lite

[C David Rigby]

On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:46 -0500, Dallas Wiebelhaus wrote:
> For some reason I had forgotten that U-Lite was using LXDE , I thought
> they were using XFCE , maybe because of the recent alpha screenshots.
> 
> I just want to make sure that the Lubuntu people are Aware of U-Lite
> are these two projects related or completely separate?
> 
> http://u-lite.org/

Shae Smittle, the maintainer and developer of U-lite, is involved with
the Lubuntu project. I'll leave it to him to fill in details.

Cheers
C David Rigby


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] U-Lite

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Good to hear! thanks for the info!

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Mario Behling  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> there was a discussion about U-lite already. With lubuntu we have a
> chance to bring together people working / who have worked on different
> derivates. Also notable is Mint.
>
> We are very happy that Shae of U-lite is also a member of lubuntu.
>
> -- Mario
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:46 AM, Dallas Wiebelhaus
> wrote:
> > For some reason I had forgotten that U-Lite was using LXDE , I thought
> they
> > were using XFCE , maybe because of the recent alpha screenshots.
> >
> > I just want to make sure that the Lubuntu people are Aware of U-Lite are
> > these two projects related or completely separate?
> >
> > http://u-lite.org/
> >
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[C David Rigby]

On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:40 +0100, Ed Hewitt and several others wrote:



Restating the obvious, but the engineering trade off is always between
"ease of use/fully featured" on the one hand and lightweight on the
other. The necessary criterion is to decide what we really want to
build, and make it unique and useful enough to attract interest.

I've proposed it before, but I'll say it again as more people are on the
list now (sorry that I've missed the IRC meetings for the last two weeks
where the app mix has been the topic of discussion). How about the
possibility of a very slim base install with the installer offering
"bundles" to meet individual needs and desires? Something like the
FreeBSD or Debian text installers comes to mind.

The base installation would be just a command-line, network-capable
system plus enough of X to get LXDE operational. We would be pushing the
real work to the installer. The installer, whether text-based or
grahpical, would need to provide a lot of choices of bundles to
install. 

More importantly, I think the installer should provide something I have
yet to see. That something is extensive documentation of the choices of
bundles of applications, and what they mean in terms of system
performance vs features. It should be organized so that a savvy user
could bypass the explanations (or load a jumpstart script), but a novice
would get a detailed explanation of what the choices are and what they
mean for the final installed system.

My $0.02.

Cheers
C David Rigby


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] I think it is important to....

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

I just threw together with LXDE and Ubuntu base for experimentation and
abiword does run much better then openoffice on this DE it seems , I'm sure
others will perform their own tests but I just wanted to let you guys know
that I'm testing some things , like some of the idea's that were suggested
today.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Tnelson Downs  wrote:

> I think it is important to include only lightweight programs in
> lubuntu. Lubuntu doesn't need openoffice, if people want bloat like
> that, they can just get ubuntu. Lubuntu should be light.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] U-Lite

[Mario Behling]

Hi,

there was a discussion about U-lite already. With lubuntu we have a
chance to bring together people working / who have worked on different
derivates. Also notable is Mint.

We are very happy that Shae of U-lite is also a member of lubuntu.

-- Mario


On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:46 AM, Dallas Wiebelhaus wrote:
> For some reason I had forgotten that U-Lite was using LXDE , I thought they
> were using XFCE , maybe because of the recent alpha screenshots.
>
> I just want to make sure that the Lubuntu people are Aware of U-Lite are
> these two projects related or completely separate?
>
> http://u-lite.org/
>

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[Lubuntu-desktop] I think it is important to....

[Tnelson Downs]

I think it is important to include only lightweight programs in
lubuntu. Lubuntu doesn't need openoffice, if people want bloat like
that, they can just get ubuntu. Lubuntu should be light.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] U-Lite

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

For some reason I had forgotten that U-Lite was using LXDE , I thought they
were using XFCE , maybe because of the recent alpha screenshots.

I just want to make sure that the Lubuntu people are Aware of U-Lite are
these two projects related or completely separate?

http://u-lite.org/
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[AdamBOT]

during some of the earlier IRC meetings there was a suggestion made that why
don't we create something along the lines of these are not installed, but
are good apps, ooo would fit in there nicely i believe.

Adam

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> It's not copying, it is as you say learning from others. OpenOffice just
> isn't suitable but will be accessible via reops if you must install it. I
> personally only use abiword and know a great many users who have the entire
> suite installed and only use the writer. Its laughable.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Dallas Wiebelhaus 
> wrote:
>
>> I agree Abiword is so incredibly fast and small and if someone has not
>> tried it they should give it a spin , it's a brilliant little application! I
>> could foresee someone adding openoffice if they needed that extra
>> functionality but for simple out of the box word processing in a small
>> efficient quick package , abiword can't be beat. We should all take a long
>> hard look at what other small distributions are doing because they like
>> Puppy have already pounded these discussions out , I'm not saying to copy
>> but to learn from from their methodology.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
>> andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> OpenOffice in my opinion is far too bulky for a lightweight distro.
>>>
>>> 0 upgraded, 44 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
>>> Need to get 123MB of archives.
>>> After this operation, 412MB of additional disk space will be used.
>>>
>>> Its just stupidly fat and bloated and doesn't fit with the ethos of
>>> Lubuntu. 0.5Gb for office productivity when gnumeric and abiword use a
>>> microscopic fraction of this.
>>>
>>> No way
>>>
>>> -Andy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Ed Hewitt <
>>> edwardahew...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
  I think we should go with Firefox. However, OpenOffice would solve the
 problem of having no presentation software if we went with Abiword &
 Gnumeric. We could use these tweaks to speed up OpenOffice. >>>
 http://lifehacker.com/software/optimization/speed-up-openoffice-270775.php

 By going "small", we will achieve the objective of achieving a
 lightweight distro. However, I still think a good out of the box 
 experience,
 as long as we keep it to a minimal. So by having a few basic utilities 
 (such
 as synaptic), need a few must have apps (such as web browser, office apps,
 chat, media player). we can still achieve a user friend lightweight distro.
 Its all about getting the right balance.

 Maybe another Lubuntu IRC Meeting could be useful to discuss my points.
 It would be great to have an application list set in time for Karmic. Could
 be Lubuntu's first release

 --
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Yep , but Debian LXDE does have the entire open office suite installed and
it weights in at just under 500 megs.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> It's not copying, it is as you say learning from others. OpenOffice just
> isn't suitable but will be accessible via reops if you must install it. I
> personally only use abiword and know a great many users who have the entire
> suite installed and only use the writer. Its laughable.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Dallas Wiebelhaus 
> wrote:
>
>> I agree Abiword is so incredibly fast and small and if someone has not
>> tried it they should give it a spin , it's a brilliant little application! I
>> could foresee someone adding openoffice if they needed that extra
>> functionality but for simple out of the box word processing in a small
>> efficient quick package , abiword can't be beat. We should all take a long
>> hard look at what other small distributions are doing because they like
>> Puppy have already pounded these discussions out , I'm not saying to copy
>> but to learn from from their methodology.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
>> andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> OpenOffice in my opinion is far too bulky for a lightweight distro.
>>>
>>> 0 upgraded, 44 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
>>> Need to get 123MB of archives.
>>> After this operation, 412MB of additional disk space will be used.
>>>
>>> Its just stupidly fat and bloated and doesn't fit with the ethos of
>>> Lubuntu. 0.5Gb for office productivity when gnumeric and abiword use a
>>> microscopic fraction of this.
>>>
>>> No way
>>>
>>> -Andy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Ed Hewitt <
>>> edwardahew...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
  I think we should go with Firefox. However, OpenOffice would solve the
 problem of having no presentation software if we went with Abiword &
 Gnumeric. We could use these tweaks to speed up OpenOffice. >>>
 http://lifehacker.com/software/optimization/speed-up-openoffice-270775.php

 By going "small", we will achieve the objective of achieving a
 lightweight distro. However, I still think a good out of the box 
 experience,
 as long as we keep it to a minimal. So by having a few basic utilities 
 (such
 as synaptic), need a few must have apps (such as web browser, office apps,
 chat, media player). we can still achieve a user friend lightweight distro.
 Its all about getting the right balance.

 Maybe another Lubuntu IRC Meeting could be useful to discuss my points.
 It would be great to have an application list set in time for Karmic. Could
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Andrew Woodhead]

It's not copying, it is as you say learning from others. OpenOffice just
isn't suitable but will be accessible via reops if you must install it. I
personally only use abiword and know a great many users who have the entire
suite installed and only use the writer. Its laughable.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Dallas Wiebelhaus wrote:

> I agree Abiword is so incredibly fast and small and if someone has not
> tried it they should give it a spin , it's a brilliant little application! I
> could foresee someone adding openoffice if they needed that extra
> functionality but for simple out of the box word processing in a small
> efficient quick package , abiword can't be beat. We should all take a long
> hard look at what other small distributions are doing because they like
> Puppy have already pounded these discussions out , I'm not saying to copy
> but to learn from from their methodology.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
> andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> OpenOffice in my opinion is far too bulky for a lightweight distro.
>>
>> 0 upgraded, 44 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
>> Need to get 123MB of archives.
>> After this operation, 412MB of additional disk space will be used.
>>
>> Its just stupidly fat and bloated and doesn't fit with the ethos of
>> Lubuntu. 0.5Gb for office productivity when gnumeric and abiword use a
>> microscopic fraction of this.
>>
>> No way
>>
>> -Andy
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Ed Hewitt <
>> edwardahew...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  I think we should go with Firefox. However, OpenOffice would solve the
>>> problem of having no presentation software if we went with Abiword &
>>> Gnumeric. We could use these tweaks to speed up OpenOffice. >>>
>>> http://lifehacker.com/software/optimization/speed-up-openoffice-270775.php
>>>
>>> By going "small", we will achieve the objective of achieving a
>>> lightweight distro. However, I still think a good out of the box experience,
>>> as long as we keep it to a minimal. So by having a few basic utilities (such
>>> as synaptic), need a few must have apps (such as web browser, office apps,
>>> chat, media player). we can still achieve a user friend lightweight distro.
>>> Its all about getting the right balance.
>>>
>>> Maybe another Lubuntu IRC Meeting could be useful to discuss my points.
>>> It would be great to have an application list set in time for Karmic. Could
>>> be Lubuntu's first release
>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

I agree Abiword is so incredibly fast and small and if someone has not tried
it they should give it a spin , it's a brilliant little application! I could
foresee someone adding openoffice if they needed that extra functionality
but for simple out of the box word processing in a small efficient quick
package , abiword can't be beat. We should all take a long hard look at what
other small distributions are doing because they like Puppy have already
pounded these discussions out , I'm not saying to copy but to learn from
from their methodology.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> OpenOffice in my opinion is far too bulky for a lightweight distro.
>
> 0 upgraded, 44 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 123MB of archives.
> After this operation, 412MB of additional disk space will be used.
>
> Its just stupidly fat and bloated and doesn't fit with the ethos of
> Lubuntu. 0.5Gb for office productivity when gnumeric and abiword use a
> microscopic fraction of this.
>
> No way
>
> -Andy
>
>
>
>  On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Ed Hewitt  > wrote:
>
>>  I think we should go with Firefox. However, OpenOffice would solve the
>> problem of having no presentation software if we went with Abiword &
>> Gnumeric. We could use these tweaks to speed up OpenOffice. >>>
>> http://lifehacker.com/software/optimization/speed-up-openoffice-270775.php
>>
>> By going "small", we will achieve the objective of achieving a lightweight
>> distro. However, I still think a good out of the box experience, as long as
>> we keep it to a minimal. So by having a few basic utilities (such as
>> synaptic), need a few must have apps (such as web browser, office apps,
>> chat, media player). we can still achieve a user friend lightweight distro.
>> Its all about getting the right balance.
>>
>> Maybe another Lubuntu IRC Meeting could be useful to discuss my points. It
>> would be great to have an application list set in time for Karmic. Could be
>> Lubuntu's first release
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Andrew Woodhead]

OpenOffice in my opinion is far too bulky for a lightweight distro.

0 upgraded, 44 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 123MB of archives.
After this operation, 412MB of additional disk space will be used.

Its just stupidly fat and bloated and doesn't fit with the ethos of Lubuntu.
0.5Gb for office productivity when gnumeric and abiword use a microscopic
fraction of this.

No way

-Andy



On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Ed Hewitt wrote:

> I think we should go with Firefox. However, OpenOffice would solve the
> problem of having no presentation software if we went with Abiword &
> Gnumeric. We could use these tweaks to speed up OpenOffice. >>>
> http://lifehacker.com/software/optimization/speed-up-openoffice-270775.php
>
> By going "small", we will achieve the objective of achieving a lightweight
> distro. However, I still think a good out of the box experience, as long as
> we keep it to a minimal. So by having a few basic utilities (such as
> synaptic), need a few must have apps (such as web browser, office apps,
> chat, media player). we can still achieve a user friend lightweight distro.
> Its all about getting the right balance.
>
> Maybe another Lubuntu IRC Meeting could be useful to discuss my points. It
> would be great to have an application list set in time for Karmic. Could be
> Lubuntu's first release
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[AdamBOT]

Sorry for such a quick followup, but i found that in the current ubuntu
repos there is vlc-nox  There is also a gvlc project (
http://www.ohloh.net/p/gvlc)  that is a gtk frontend for vlc -- this was in
dapper but is no longer available in our repos, but i think it is definitely
something we need to give a hard look at.

Adam

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:48 PM, AdamBOT  wrote:

> I've been looking at the VLC build flags, and it looks like it is possible
> to be compiled without the qt4 dependencies.  Wouldn't that make it a viable
> solution as a media player?
>
> I am looking more into it...
>
> Adam
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Dallas Wiebelhaus 
> wrote:
>
>> Also we could learn a allot from the puppy project they have already
>> banged out years of learning the hardway! And today they have the
>> quintessential light weight desktop of out of the box that can run on
>> anything after a 486.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Ed Hewitt 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think we should go with Firefox. However, OpenOffice would solve the
>>> problem of having no presentation software if we went with Abiword &
>>> Gnumeric. We could use these tweaks to speed up OpenOffice. >>>
>>> http://lifehacker.com/software/optimization/speed-up-openoffice-270775.php
>>>
>>> By going "small", we will achieve the objective of achieving a
>>> lightweight distro. However, I still think a good out of the box experience,
>>> as long as we keep it to a minimal. So by having a few basic utilities (such
>>> as synaptic), need a few must have apps (such as web browser, office apps,
>>> chat, media player). we can still achieve a user friend lightweight distro.
>>> Its all about getting the right balance.
>>>
>>> Maybe another Lubuntu IRC Meeting could be useful to discuss my points.
>>> It would be great to have an application list set in time for Karmic. Could
>>> be Lubuntu's first release
>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Yes it would and it's very small , minuscule foot print but very very
powerful and modern.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:48 PM, AdamBOT  wrote:

> I've been looking at the VLC build flags, and it looks like it is possible
> to be compiled without the qt4 dependencies.  Wouldn't that make it a viable
> solution as a media player?
>
> I am looking more into it...
>
> Adam
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Dallas Wiebelhaus 
> wrote:
>
>> Also we could learn a allot from the puppy project they have already
>> banged out years of learning the hardway! And today they have the
>> quintessential light weight desktop of out of the box that can run on
>> anything after a 486.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Ed Hewitt 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think we should go with Firefox. However, OpenOffice would solve the
>>> problem of having no presentation software if we went with Abiword &
>>> Gnumeric. We could use these tweaks to speed up OpenOffice. >>>
>>> http://lifehacker.com/software/optimization/speed-up-openoffice-270775.php
>>>
>>> By going "small", we will achieve the objective of achieving a
>>> lightweight distro. However, I still think a good out of the box experience,
>>> as long as we keep it to a minimal. So by having a few basic utilities (such
>>> as synaptic), need a few must have apps (such as web browser, office apps,
>>> chat, media player). we can still achieve a user friend lightweight distro.
>>> Its all about getting the right balance.
>>>
>>> Maybe another Lubuntu IRC Meeting could be useful to discuss my points.
>>> It would be great to have an application list set in time for Karmic. Could
>>> be Lubuntu's first release
>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[AdamBOT]

I've been looking at the VLC build flags, and it looks like it is possible
to be compiled without the qt4 dependencies.  Wouldn't that make it a viable
solution as a media player?

I am looking more into it...

Adam

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Dallas Wiebelhaus wrote:

> Also we could learn a allot from the puppy project they have already banged
> out years of learning the hardway! And today they have the quintessential
> light weight desktop of out of the box that can run on anything after a 486.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Ed Hewitt 
> wrote:
>
>> I think we should go with Firefox. However, OpenOffice would solve the
>> problem of having no presentation software if we went with Abiword &
>> Gnumeric. We could use these tweaks to speed up OpenOffice. >>>
>> http://lifehacker.com/software/optimization/speed-up-openoffice-270775.php
>>
>> By going "small", we will achieve the objective of achieving a lightweight
>> distro. However, I still think a good out of the box experience, as long as
>> we keep it to a minimal. So by having a few basic utilities (such as
>> synaptic), need a few must have apps (such as web browser, office apps,
>> chat, media player). we can still achieve a user friend lightweight distro.
>> Its all about getting the right balance.
>>
>> Maybe another Lubuntu IRC Meeting could be useful to discuss my points. It
>> would be great to have an application list set in time for Karmic. Could be
>> Lubuntu's first release
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Good eye there David!

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:15 PM, David Sugar wrote:

> Related to this question is what to do with what is currently the
> separate lxde blueprint in Launchpad:
>
>
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop
>
> I would be happy to see about transferring it to the Lubuntu Team if the
> Lubuntu team does wish to formally take it over...
>
> In any case, yes, I also think the key is finding the right reasonable
> mix.
>
> Ed Hewitt wrote:
> > I think we should go with Firefox. However, OpenOffice would solve the
> > problem of having no presentation software if we went with Abiword &
> > Gnumeric. We could use these tweaks to speed up OpenOffice. >>>
> >
> http://lifehacker.com/software/optimization/speed-up-openoffice-270775.php
> >
> > By going "small", we will achieve the objective of achieving a
> > lightweight distro. However, I still think a good out of the box
> > experience, as long as we keep it to a minimal. So by having a few basic
> > utilities (such as synaptic), need a few must have apps (such as web
> > browser, office apps, chat, media player). we can still achieve a user
> > friend lightweight distro. Its all about getting the right balance.
> >
> > Maybe another Lubuntu IRC Meeting could be useful to discuss my points.
> > It would be great to have an application list set in time for Karmic.
> > Could be Lubuntu's first release
> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[David Sugar]

Related to this question is what to do with what is currently the
separate lxde blueprint in Launchpad:

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop

I would be happy to see about transferring it to the Lubuntu Team if the
Lubuntu team does wish to formally take it over...

In any case, yes, I also think the key is finding the right reasonable
mix.

Ed Hewitt wrote:
> I think we should go with Firefox. However, OpenOffice would solve the
> problem of having no presentation software if we went with Abiword &
> Gnumeric. We could use these tweaks to speed up OpenOffice. >>>
> http://lifehacker.com/software/optimization/speed-up-openoffice-270775.php
> 
> By going "small", we will achieve the objective of achieving a
> lightweight distro. However, I still think a good out of the box
> experience, as long as we keep it to a minimal. So by having a few basic
> utilities (such as synaptic), need a few must have apps (such as web
> browser, office apps, chat, media player). we can still achieve a user
> friend lightweight distro. Its all about getting the right balance.
> 
> Maybe another Lubuntu IRC Meeting could be useful to discuss my points.
> It would be great to have an application list set in time for Karmic.
> Could be Lubuntu's first release
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Also we could learn a allot from the puppy project they have already banged
out years of learning the hardway! And today they have the quintessential
light weight desktop of out of the box that can run on anything after a 486.


On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Ed Hewitt wrote:

> I think we should go with Firefox. However, OpenOffice would solve the
> problem of having no presentation software if we went with Abiword &
> Gnumeric. We could use these tweaks to speed up OpenOffice. >>>
> http://lifehacker.com/software/optimization/speed-up-openoffice-270775.php
>
> By going "small", we will achieve the objective of achieving a lightweight
> distro. However, I still think a good out of the box experience, as long as
> we keep it to a minimal. So by having a few basic utilities (such as
> synaptic), need a few must have apps (such as web browser, office apps,
> chat, media player). we can still achieve a user friend lightweight distro.
> Its all about getting the right balance.
>
> Maybe another Lubuntu IRC Meeting could be useful to discuss my points. It
> would be great to have an application list set in time for Karmic. Could be
> Lubuntu's first release
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Ed Hewitt]

I think we should go with Firefox. However, OpenOffice would solve the
problem of having no presentation software if we went with Abiword &
Gnumeric. We could use these tweaks to speed up OpenOffice. >>>
http://lifehacker.com/software/optimization/speed-up-openoffice-270775.php

By going "small", we will achieve the objective of achieving a lightweight
distro. However, I still think a good out of the box experience, as long as
we keep it to a minimal. So by having a few basic utilities (such as
synaptic), need a few must have apps (such as web browser, office apps,
chat, media player). we can still achieve a user friend lightweight distro.
Its all about getting the right balance.

Maybe another Lubuntu IRC Meeting could be useful to discuss my points. It
would be great to have an application list set in time for Karmic. Could be
Lubuntu's first release

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] (no subject)

[Andrew Woodhead]

+1

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Dallas Wiebelhaus wrote:

> I vote go small , if someone wants songbird or Firefox or liferea or pidgin
> let them fetch it.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] going small

[David Sugar]

Absolutely.  Not including something does not prevent someone from
adding something later if they want or need it.  I think the "base" seed
should be as small as practical.

Dallas Wiebelhaus wrote:
> I vote go small , if someone wants songbird or Firefox or liferea or
> pidgin let them fetch it.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Forum

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Thanks!


On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:16 PM, jon york  wrote:

>  Hi guys
>
> here is the forum location, just a quick and free forum for us, I am a
> webmaster, and own my own host, so we can discuss that later when we
> actually have a beta version to release to public, and we are ready to
> submit for an official variation of ubuntu
>
> here is the forum
>
> http://lubuntu.forumotion.com
>
> have fun guys and girls :P
>
> Jon York
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu like Xubuntu

[fred_mc]

As for OpenOffice or Abiword/Gnumeric, I would say go for both. There
is nothing that can match OpenOffice when it comes to Microsoft Office
compatibility I think but since it is big, it is best to also include
lightweight alternatives as Abiword/Gnumeric.

As for web browser, the only browser I've found that can match Firefox
when it comes to displaying all kinds of web pages (including working
with the so called "bankid" security program Nexus, which is necessary
for accessing many online services here in Sweden like online banking,
tax-return forms, pharmacy perscriptions etc) is Epiphany, which is
slightly lighter than Firefox, but with much less features.

For photos/pictures, I think they should by default be associated with
a simple viewer application such as GPicView since it is much more
common to just want to view a picture when opening it than wanting to
edit it.

/Christian Johansson


2009/6/29 jon york :
> Alright, i wasnt sure what the guidelines are, As for the network manager, i
> would keep that in, as it is very usefull and easy to use (3g connections
> and VPN are seemless and dummy proof)
>
> however, there is another thing to remember, in my experience, LXDE is
> always faster then say, gnome or even XFCE. for that matter, something like
> music, photo editing, web browser and office suite, do we go with the
> smaller, less powerfull tools, like seamonkey and abiword, or do with go
> with the full fledged firefox and openoffice, which will inherently run
> faster due to the LXDE environment.
>
> as for the forums, i can have a basic forum running very shortly for our
> uses.
>
> Jon York
>
> Jon York
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Forum

[jon york]

Hi guys

here is the forum location, just a quick and free forum for us, I am a 
webmaster, and own my own host, so we can discuss that later when we actually 
have a beta version to release to public, and we are ready to submit for an 
official variation of ubuntu

here is the forum 

http://lubuntu.forumotion.com

have fun guys and girls :P

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[Lubuntu-desktop] (no subject)

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

I vote go small , if someone wants songbird or Firefox or liferea or pidgin
let them fetch it.
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu like Xubuntu

[jon york]

Alright, i wasnt sure what the guidelines are, As for the network
manager, i would keep that in, as it is very usefull and easy to use
(3g connections and VPN are seemless and dummy proof)

however,
there is another thing to remember, in my experience, LXDE is always
faster then say, gnome or even XFCE. for that matter, something like
music, photo editing, web browser and office suite, do we go with the
smaller, less powerfull tools, like seamonkey and abiword, or do with
go with the full fledged firefox and openoffice, which will inherently
run faster due to the LXDE environment.

as for the forums, i can have a basic forum running very shortly for our uses.

Jon York

Jon York

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[David Sugar]

I agree that xubuntu is not lightweight and app selection is key to
this, especially for those that will always execute.  I think something
like connman or wics would be a better choice than network manager for
Lubuntu.  The gnome power management stuff I recall is already
undergoing a radical size reduction, so that issue may solve itself.

jon york wrote:
> Hi guys, completely agree with all of this, but first i think is to
> determine what we want our market to be. Do we want to be out of the
> box, forget about needed to install something to make it "usable" (ie:
> flash, codecs) or do we want to be a bare minimum speedy OS. either way,
> i like both ideas, but we do need to determine what we wish to be and go
> for it. Il admit, i am ignorant of the rules or objectives we need to
> meet to be a ubuntu derivative, and we must adhere to that, But Mr. Ed
> Hewitt brings up some very valid points,
> 
> I have been selling linux based computers for years now, and I have a
> good idea of what people want either way.
> 
> Jon York
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: wiebelh...@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:49:44 -0500
> To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy
> & Slow)
> 
> Ed Hewitt makes some very good points , Something to look at would be
> the Fluxbuntu project the 7.10 Version was amazing because it was very
> very slim nothing except the essentials installed but it also retained
> the availability of all those other apps by using the official
> repositories. I don't think anyone has to worry about something missing
> because the people that would be drawn to Lubuntu would certinaly be
> savvy enough to fetch it for themselves.
> 
> What's good isn't always golden , I agree with the minilmist idea that
> Ed Hewitt proposed here.
> 
> Cheers!.
> 
> Dallas Wiebelhaus.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Ed Hewitt
> mailto:edwardahew...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm Ed Hewitt (chewit in IRC). I have just joined the Lubuntu team
> in Launchpad, I am very keen to give you help with the Lubuntu
> project. I have been using Xubuntu since 7.10 release, and over the
> years Xubuntu has been getting heavier and slower after each
> release. This has been down two things. First, the Ubuntu developers
> adding more applications and utilies to improve the usability of the
> operating system. Secondly, Xubuntu is just Ubuntu with Xfce 'bolted
> on'. No thought has gone into using as little gnome depencies as
> possible. These two points have made Xubuntu heavy and slow, and not
> a lightweight distro. It is very close to being as heavy as Ubuntu!
> 
> My worry with the Lubuntu project is that when it becomes an
> official Ubuntu distro, it will have loads of extra apps added which
> will make it slow and heavy like Xubuntu. It will be a waste your
> time creating a distro which went the same way as Xubuntu. I am
> writing this message to warn you that it could happen. I want to
> join the Lubuntu and help decide the best applications to add to the
> operating systems and ways to make it as light as possible.
> 
> I have looked at the Lubuntu application list and I am already
> concerned with the success of the project. It appears Lubuntu will
> have more applications installed than the Ubuntu install!
> 
> The best way I see Lubuntu being setup is to carefully follow the
> way Debian is created, since Debain is very lightweight. I believe
> it is best to use the Ubuntu minimal install with LXDE added on,
> then we add a carefully selection of applications. Such as:
> 
> * Web browser - Firefox
> * Email - Claws
> * Chat - Pidgin, Xchat
> * Office - Abiword, Gnumeric, ePDF
> * Media - Totem, Rhythmbox (would like to use VLC, but it uses QT4)
> * GIMP
> * Synaptic & Update Manager is a must
> * Gnome network manager (need good network support, however it
>   needs to start on boot up)
> * Some Xfce apps - Notifyd (very nice notification system),
>   taskmanager (but could use lxde task), power manager
> 
> We want to keep the apps list small, basic apps which most people
> will use. Video editing, ftp clients and programming apps are not
> needed on the base install. If we add loads of apps, we will be a
> heavy distro. With Lubuntu its performance and lightweight first,
> sadly xubuntu forgot about that.
> 
> Would like to hear what the whole team thinks and if I can be some
> help in the development of Lubuntu.
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[jon york]

Hi guys, completely agree with all of this, but first i think is to determine 
what we want our market to be. Do we want to be out of the box, forget about 
needed to install something to make it "usable" (ie: flash, codecs) or do we 
want to be a bare minimum speedy OS. either way, i like both ideas, but we do 
need to determine what we wish to be and go for it. Il admit, i am ignorant of 
the rules or objectives we need to meet to be a ubuntu derivative, and we must 
adhere to that, But Mr. Ed Hewitt brings up some very valid points,

I have been selling linux based computers for years now, and I have a good idea 
of what people want either way.

Jon York



From: wiebelh...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:49:44 -0500
To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy &   
Slow)

Ed Hewitt makes some very good points , Something to look at would be the 
Fluxbuntu project the 7.10 Version was amazing because it was very very slim 
nothing except the essentials installed but it also retained the availability 
of all those other apps by using the official repositories. I don't think 
anyone has to worry about something missing because the people that would be 
drawn to Lubuntu would certinaly be savvy enough to fetch it for themselves.



What's good isn't always golden , I agree with the minilmist idea that Ed 
Hewitt proposed here.

Cheers!.

Dallas Wiebelhaus.





On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Ed Hewitt  
wrote:


Hi,

I'm Ed Hewitt (chewit in IRC). I have just joined the Lubuntu team in 
Launchpad, I am very keen to give you help with the Lubuntu project. I have 
been using Xubuntu since 7.10 release, and over the years Xubuntu has been 
getting heavier and slower after each release. This has been down two things. 
First, the Ubuntu developers adding more applications and utilies to improve 
the usability of the operating system. Secondly, Xubuntu is just Ubuntu with 
Xfce 'bolted on'. No thought has gone into using as little gnome depencies as 
possible. These two points have made Xubuntu heavy and slow, and not a 
lightweight distro. It is very close to being as heavy as Ubuntu!




My worry with the Lubuntu project is that when it becomes an official Ubuntu 
distro, it will have loads of extra apps added which will make it slow and 
heavy like Xubuntu. It will be a waste your time creating a distro which went 
the same way as Xubuntu. I am writing this message to warn you that it could 
happen. I want to join the Lubuntu and help decide the best applications to add 
to the operating systems and ways to make it as light as possible.




I have looked at the Lubuntu application list and I am already concerned with 
the success of the project. It appears Lubuntu will have more applications 
installed than the Ubuntu install!

The best way I see Lubuntu being setup is to carefully follow the way Debian is 
created, since Debain is very lightweight. I believe it is best to use the 
Ubuntu minimal install with LXDE added on, then we add a carefully selection of 
applications. Such as:




Web browser - FirefoxEmail - ClawsChat - Pidgin, Xchat
Office - Abiword, Gnumeric, ePDFMedia - Totem, Rhythmbox (would like to use 
VLC, but it uses QT4)GIMP


Synaptic & Update Manager is a mustGnome network manager (need good network 
support, however it needs to start on boot up)
Some Xfce apps - Notifyd (very nice notification system), taskmanager (but 
could use lxde task), power manager


We want to keep the apps list small, basic apps which most people will use. 
Video editing, ftp clients and programming apps are not needed on the base 
install. If we add loads of apps, we will be a heavy distro. With Lubuntu its 
performance and lightweight first, sadly xubuntu forgot about that. 




Would like to hear what the whole team thinks and if I can be some help in the 
development of Lubuntu.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Dallas Wiebelhaus]

Ed Hewitt makes some very good points , Something to look at would be the
Fluxbuntu project the 7.10 Version was amazing because it was very very slim
nothing except the essentials installed but it also retained the
availability of all those other apps by using the official repositories. I
don't think anyone has to worry about something missing because the people
that would be drawn to Lubuntu would certinaly be savvy enough to fetch it
for themselves.

What's good isn't always golden , I agree with the minilmist idea that Ed
Hewitt proposed here.

Cheers!.

Dallas Wiebelhaus.





On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Ed Hewitt wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm Ed Hewitt (chewit in IRC). I have just joined the Lubuntu team in
> Launchpad, I am very keen to give you help with the Lubuntu project. I have
> been using Xubuntu since 7.10 release, and over the years Xubuntu has been
> getting heavier and slower after each release. This has been down two
> things. First, the Ubuntu developers adding more applications and utilies to
> improve the usability of the operating system. Secondly, Xubuntu is just
> Ubuntu with Xfce 'bolted on'. No thought has gone into using as little gnome
> depencies as possible. These two points have made Xubuntu heavy and slow,
> and not a lightweight distro. It is very close to being as heavy as Ubuntu!
>
> My worry with the Lubuntu project is that when it becomes an official
> Ubuntu distro, it will have loads of extra apps added which will make it
> slow and heavy like Xubuntu. It will be a waste your time creating a distro
> which went the same way as Xubuntu. I am writing this message to warn you
> that it could happen. I want to join the Lubuntu and help decide the best
> applications to add to the operating systems and ways to make it as light as
> possible.
>
> I have looked at the Lubuntu application list and I am already concerned
> with the success of the project. It appears Lubuntu will have more
> applications installed than the Ubuntu install!
>
> The best way I see Lubuntu being setup is to carefully follow the way
> Debian is created, since Debain is very lightweight. I believe it is best to
> use the Ubuntu minimal install with LXDE added on, then we add a carefully
> selection of applications. Such as:
>
>
>- Web browser - Firefox
>- Email - Claws
>- Chat - Pidgin, Xchat
>- Office - Abiword, Gnumeric, ePDF
>- Media - Totem, Rhythmbox (would like to use VLC, but it uses QT4)
>- GIMP
>- Synaptic & Update Manager is a must
>- Gnome network manager (need good network support, however it needs to
>start on boot up)
>- Some Xfce apps - Notifyd (very nice notification system), taskmanager
>(but could use lxde task), power manager
>
> We want to keep the apps list small, basic apps which most people will use.
> Video editing, ftp clients and programming apps are not needed on the base
> install. If we add loads of apps, we will be a heavy distro. With Lubuntu
> its performance and lightweight first, sadly xubuntu forgot about that.
>
> Would like to hear what the whole team thinks and if I can be some help in
> the development of Lubuntu.
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)

[Ed Hewitt]

Hi,

I'm Ed Hewitt (chewit in IRC). I have just joined the Lubuntu team in
Launchpad, I am very keen to give you help with the Lubuntu project. I have
been using Xubuntu since 7.10 release, and over the years Xubuntu has been
getting heavier and slower after each release. This has been down two
things. First, the Ubuntu developers adding more applications and utilies to
improve the usability of the operating system. Secondly, Xubuntu is just
Ubuntu with Xfce 'bolted on'. No thought has gone into using as little gnome
depencies as possible. These two points have made Xubuntu heavy and slow,
and not a lightweight distro. It is very close to being as heavy as Ubuntu!

My worry with the Lubuntu project is that when it becomes an official Ubuntu
distro, it will have loads of extra apps added which will make it slow and
heavy like Xubuntu. It will be a waste your time creating a distro which
went the same way as Xubuntu. I am writing this message to warn you that it
could happen. I want to join the Lubuntu and help decide the best
applications to add to the operating systems and ways to make it as light as
possible.

I have looked at the Lubuntu application list and I am already concerned
with the success of the project. It appears Lubuntu will have more
applications installed than the Ubuntu install!

The best way I see Lubuntu being setup is to carefully follow the way Debian
is created, since Debain is very lightweight. I believe it is best to use
the Ubuntu minimal install with LXDE added on, then we add a carefully
selection of applications. Such as:


   - Web browser - Firefox
   - Email - Claws
   - Chat - Pidgin, Xchat
   - Office - Abiword, Gnumeric, ePDF
   - Media - Totem, Rhythmbox (would like to use VLC, but it uses QT4)
   - GIMP
   - Synaptic & Update Manager is a must
   - Gnome network manager (need good network support, however it needs to
   start on boot up)
   - Some Xfce apps - Notifyd (very nice notification system), taskmanager
   (but could use lxde task), power manager

We want to keep the apps list small, basic apps which most people will use.
Video editing, ftp clients and programming apps are not needed on the base
install. If we add loads of apps, we will be a heavy distro. With Lubuntu
its performance and lightweight first, sadly xubuntu forgot about that.

Would like to hear what the whole team thinks and if I can be some help in
the development of Lubuntu.

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