Re: LyX preview problem
Am 17.10.2014 um 04:11 schrieb Maria Gouskova gousk...@gmail.com: Hi all, I am having a similar problem with a related package--xyling (it relies on xypic, just has some extra macros for linguistic trees). OS 10.6.8 LyX 2.1.2 File attached. When I hit ps2pdf to preview, the file just does not appear, although LyX thinks it's successfully made a PDF. I can create a pdf from a minimal file using Postscript, but something is wrong with the PS2PDF script. Unfortunately, I cannot generate a PDF from my more complex file using Postscript--that one also reports successful file creation, but not PS or PDF appears. Oh, and there is no cx folder in /var/folders on my system. This is a temporary directory and the name is random. You can see the start of in in the preference pane. The cx etc. referred to the path in Dough's email post. For normal preview operation you don't need to know it. The menu item Document - LaTeX Log knows where to look for the log file. The View Complete Log button does the same. The preview problem of Dough is the inline display of code snippets and the log of this is not that easily found. XeTeX and LuaTeX both have command definition conflicts for xyling, but I've had problems generating PDFs with the simplest files using these methods since about 2.1 (both return an error about the \sups command being already defined). Not using \sups in the test file, as you can see. The xyling_fail.lyx document works for me. The xetex_fail.lyx leads to the \sups problem too. It goes away when removing \usepackage{tipa} from the preamble. After this it compiles if one adds the missing closing brace of the \newcommand{\rul} … definition. Stephan On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net wrote: Am 14.10.2014 um 23:23 schrieb Lauen, Douglas L dla...@unc.edu: Stephan, Yes! going to document settings, fonts, and then unclicking “Use non-Tex fonts…” solves the problem with displaying my diagram. Thank you. Now with that option unchecked, I cannot typeset my document using command-R. I guess I can use other ways to view my output, though. Do you know why command-R doesn’t work? Is there a way to fix that? Dough, in case of a Non-TeX fonts document Command-R is using the XeTeX compiler to create the PDF. Some content of the document makes it requiring this compiler. Without the option checked LyX uses the normal pdflatex compiler and e.g. some special foreign characters or math symbols are a problem here. Before my update I did not encounter this, so something must be different now! This I cannot answer, sorry. But you're right - there must be the problem. You've talking about your update to 10.9 Mavericks? Perhaps a python problem indeed. You may check the protocols inside the directory /var/folders/cx/8z8j7c710t9gcfvtljxkvjkcgn/T/lyx_tmpdir.KZwQoCf15278/lyx_tmpbuf3 You have to look inside the directory you can see in the message window. The interesting file is named like lyxpreviewZ33063.log or similar. Stephan On Oct 14, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net wrote: Am 14.10.2014 um 19:15 schrieb Lauen, Douglas L dla...@unc.edu: Stephan, Thank you for the suggestion. This is odd. I don’t recall having this problem before my upgrade to Mavericks. And very odd that is crops up in one file but not another. It looks like python fails to process something… Hi Dough, note the difference in the two calls: the 2nd one has an additional switch --latex=xelatex. This may be caused by the XeTeX/LuaTeX setting in the document settings. Perhaps you can live without it? Stephan Here is the message log from a change to the figure in displays.lyx — 13:12:02.636: (dialog-toggle progress)graphics/PreviewLoader.cpp (468): adding snippet: $\xymatrix{ U\ar[dl]\ar[dr]\\ X\ar[rr] c Y } $ graphics/PreviewLoader.cpp (530): PreviewLoader::startLoading() graphics/PreviewLoader.cpp (665): PreviewLoader::finishedInProgress(0): processing succeeded for python -tt /Applications/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/scripts/lyxpreview2bitmap.py --png /var/folders/cx/8z8j7c710t9gcfvtljxkvjkcgn/T/lyx_tmpdir.KZwQoCf15278/lyx_tmpbuf3/lyxpreviewq15278.tex --dpi 108 --fg 00 --bg faf0e6 --bibtex=bibtex Format.cpp (394): Recognised Fileformat: png graphics/GraphicsCacheItem.cpp (379): [CacheItem::Impl::convertToDisplayFormat] Attempting to convert image file: /var/folders/cx/8z8j7c710t9gcfvtljxkvjkcgn/T/lyx_tmpdir.KZwQoCf15278/lyx_tmpbuf3/lyxpreviewq152781.png with displayed filename: /var/folders/cx/8z8j7c710t9gcfvtljxkvjkcgn/T/lyx_tmpdir.KZwQoCf15278/lyx_tmpbuf3/lyxpreviewq152781.png Format.cpp (394): Recognised Fileformat: png graphics/GraphicsCacheItem.cpp (386): The file contains png format data. graphics/GraphicsCacheItem.cpp (391): No conversion needed (from == to)! graphics/GraphicsCacheItem.cpp
help installing 2.1.x on Debian
Hi, can someone help me to install lyx 2.1.x on my Debian Jessie pc? I saw, that on ubuntu this can be done. So, I'm looking for repo to use with Debian TIA Renato
Re: help installing 2.1.x on Debian
The unstable branch now has either 2.1.1 or 2.1.2. You can just manually install that. -- David L. Johnson Department of Mathematics Lehigh University Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On October 17, 2014 8:22:17 AM renato renato.pontef...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, can someone help me to install lyx 2.1.x on my Debian Jessie pc? I saw, that on ubuntu this can be done. So, I'm looking for repo to use with Debian TIA Renato
Re: Question about development of non-linear writing project
Richard Heck rgheck at lyx.org writes: half a year ago Iearned about the NonLinear Writing project at the Google Summer School: http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/NonLinearWriting Anyone any idea what happened to that? Some work was done. It may find its way into 2.2, but that is not clear yet. Does anyone have any news on this issue? Lyx-outline that was the origin of this, developed by Rob Oaks, was already a useable software when this was picked up by the google summer code project. Now it seems to have died somehow. I really believe this to be a fantastic enhancement to Lyx and hope it will be incorporated into the main line software asap! Ketil
Re: Question about development of non-linear writing project
Richard Heck rgheck at lyx.org writes: On 01/09/2014 08:13 AM, Jan David Hauck wrote: Hi there, half a year ago Iearned about the NonLinear Writing project at the Google Summer School: http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/NonLinearWriting Anyone any idea what happened to that? Some work was done. It may find its way into 2.2, but that is not clear yet. Richard I am worried about this issue too. No traces of this on the webpages and lyx-outline which was a working fork with the corkboard developed by Rob Oakes seems dead for a while now. This i a giant improvement for Lyx and it would be really sad if it was abandoned! All the best Ketil
osa-revtex
Hello, Is there a osa-retvex layout for lyx? Thank. === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France ===
thebibliography
Hello, It looks like that by default \thebibliography comes with {10} (in the bbl file). How can I change it? Thank. === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France ===
Is LyX 2.1.1 compatible with Mac OS X Yosemite?
Hello all, Can someone please tell me whether LyX 2.1.1 is compatible with Mac OS 10.10 (Yosemite)? Thank you very much, Daisuke
Re: Is LyX 2.1.1 compatible with Mac OS X Yosemite?
On October 17, 2014 at 13:32:35 PM, Daisuke Koya (dk...@mac.com) wrote: Hello all, Can someone please tell me whether LyX 2.1.1 is compatible with Mac OS 10.10 (Yosemite)? Thank you very much, Daisuke I’m running 10.10 but with LyX 2.1.2. Is there any reason you’re still on 2.1.1? There was a pretty big bug squashed in 2.1.2 related to data loss. -Steve
Re: LyX preview problem
Am 17.10.2014 um 04:11 schrieb Maria Gouskova gousk...@gmail.com: Hi all, I am having a similar problem with a related package--xyling (it relies on xypic, just has some extra macros for linguistic trees). OS 10.6.8 LyX 2.1.2 File attached. When I hit ps2pdf to preview, the file just does not appear, although LyX thinks it's successfully made a PDF. I can create a pdf from a minimal file using Postscript, but something is wrong with the PS2PDF script. Unfortunately, I cannot generate a PDF from my more complex file using Postscript--that one also reports successful file creation, but not PS or PDF appears. Oh, and there is no cx folder in /var/folders on my system. This is a temporary directory and the name is random. You can see the start of in in the preference pane. The cx etc. referred to the path in Dough's email post. For normal preview operation you don't need to know it. The menu item Document - LaTeX Log knows where to look for the log file. The View Complete Log button does the same. The preview problem of Dough is the inline display of code snippets and the log of this is not that easily found. XeTeX and LuaTeX both have command definition conflicts for xyling, but I've had problems generating PDFs with the simplest files using these methods since about 2.1 (both return an error about the \sups command being already defined). Not using \sups in the test file, as you can see. The xyling_fail.lyx document works for me. The xetex_fail.lyx leads to the \sups problem too. It goes away when removing \usepackage{tipa} from the preamble. After this it compiles if one adds the missing closing brace of the \newcommand{\rul} … definition. Stephan On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net wrote: Am 14.10.2014 um 23:23 schrieb Lauen, Douglas L dla...@unc.edu: Stephan, Yes! going to document settings, fonts, and then unclicking “Use non-Tex fonts…” solves the problem with displaying my diagram. Thank you. Now with that option unchecked, I cannot typeset my document using command-R. I guess I can use other ways to view my output, though. Do you know why command-R doesn’t work? Is there a way to fix that? Dough, in case of a Non-TeX fonts document Command-R is using the XeTeX compiler to create the PDF. Some content of the document makes it requiring this compiler. Without the option checked LyX uses the normal pdflatex compiler and e.g. some special foreign characters or math symbols are a problem here. Before my update I did not encounter this, so something must be different now! This I cannot answer, sorry. But you're right - there must be the problem. You've talking about your update to 10.9 Mavericks? Perhaps a python problem indeed. You may check the protocols inside the directory /var/folders/cx/8z8j7c710t9gcfvtljxkvjkcgn/T/lyx_tmpdir.KZwQoCf15278/lyx_tmpbuf3 You have to look inside the directory you can see in the message window. The interesting file is named like lyxpreviewZ33063.log or similar. Stephan On Oct 14, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net wrote: Am 14.10.2014 um 19:15 schrieb Lauen, Douglas L dla...@unc.edu: Stephan, Thank you for the suggestion. This is odd. I don’t recall having this problem before my upgrade to Mavericks. And very odd that is crops up in one file but not another. It looks like python fails to process something… Hi Dough, note the difference in the two calls: the 2nd one has an additional switch --latex=xelatex. This may be caused by the XeTeX/LuaTeX setting in the document settings. Perhaps you can live without it? Stephan Here is the message log from a change to the figure in displays.lyx — 13:12:02.636: (dialog-toggle progress)graphics/PreviewLoader.cpp (468): adding snippet: $\xymatrix{ U\ar[dl]\ar[dr]\\ X\ar[rr] c Y } $ graphics/PreviewLoader.cpp (530): PreviewLoader::startLoading() graphics/PreviewLoader.cpp (665): PreviewLoader::finishedInProgress(0): processing succeeded for python -tt /Applications/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/scripts/lyxpreview2bitmap.py --png /var/folders/cx/8z8j7c710t9gcfvtljxkvjkcgn/T/lyx_tmpdir.KZwQoCf15278/lyx_tmpbuf3/lyxpreviewq15278.tex --dpi 108 --fg 00 --bg faf0e6 --bibtex=bibtex Format.cpp (394): Recognised Fileformat: png graphics/GraphicsCacheItem.cpp (379): [CacheItem::Impl::convertToDisplayFormat] Attempting to convert image file: /var/folders/cx/8z8j7c710t9gcfvtljxkvjkcgn/T/lyx_tmpdir.KZwQoCf15278/lyx_tmpbuf3/lyxpreviewq152781.png with displayed filename: /var/folders/cx/8z8j7c710t9gcfvtljxkvjkcgn/T/lyx_tmpdir.KZwQoCf15278/lyx_tmpbuf3/lyxpreviewq152781.png Format.cpp (394): Recognised Fileformat: png graphics/GraphicsCacheItem.cpp (386): The file contains png format data. graphics/GraphicsCacheItem.cpp (391): No conversion needed (from == to)! graphics/GraphicsCacheItem.cpp
help installing 2.1.x on Debian
Hi, can someone help me to install lyx 2.1.x on my Debian Jessie pc? I saw, that on ubuntu this can be done. So, I'm looking for repo to use with Debian TIA Renato
Re: help installing 2.1.x on Debian
The unstable branch now has either 2.1.1 or 2.1.2. You can just manually install that. -- David L. Johnson Department of Mathematics Lehigh University Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On October 17, 2014 8:22:17 AM renato renato.pontef...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, can someone help me to install lyx 2.1.x on my Debian Jessie pc? I saw, that on ubuntu this can be done. So, I'm looking for repo to use with Debian TIA Renato
Re: Question about development of non-linear writing project
Richard Heck rgheck at lyx.org writes: half a year ago Iearned about the NonLinear Writing project at the Google Summer School: http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/NonLinearWriting Anyone any idea what happened to that? Some work was done. It may find its way into 2.2, but that is not clear yet. Does anyone have any news on this issue? Lyx-outline that was the origin of this, developed by Rob Oaks, was already a useable software when this was picked up by the google summer code project. Now it seems to have died somehow. I really believe this to be a fantastic enhancement to Lyx and hope it will be incorporated into the main line software asap! Ketil
Re: Question about development of non-linear writing project
Richard Heck rgheck at lyx.org writes: On 01/09/2014 08:13 AM, Jan David Hauck wrote: Hi there, half a year ago Iearned about the NonLinear Writing project at the Google Summer School: http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/NonLinearWriting Anyone any idea what happened to that? Some work was done. It may find its way into 2.2, but that is not clear yet. Richard I am worried about this issue too. No traces of this on the webpages and lyx-outline which was a working fork with the corkboard developed by Rob Oakes seems dead for a while now. This i a giant improvement for Lyx and it would be really sad if it was abandoned! All the best Ketil
osa-revtex
Hello, Is there a osa-retvex layout for lyx? Thank. === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France ===
thebibliography
Hello, It looks like that by default \thebibliography comes with {10} (in the bbl file). How can I change it? Thank. === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France ===
Is LyX 2.1.1 compatible with Mac OS X Yosemite?
Hello all, Can someone please tell me whether LyX 2.1.1 is compatible with Mac OS 10.10 (Yosemite)? Thank you very much, Daisuke
Re: Is LyX 2.1.1 compatible with Mac OS X Yosemite?
On October 17, 2014 at 13:32:35 PM, Daisuke Koya (dk...@mac.com) wrote: Hello all, Can someone please tell me whether LyX 2.1.1 is compatible with Mac OS 10.10 (Yosemite)? Thank you very much, Daisuke I’m running 10.10 but with LyX 2.1.2. Is there any reason you’re still on 2.1.1? There was a pretty big bug squashed in 2.1.2 related to data loss. -Steve
Re: LyX preview problem
Am 17.10.2014 um 04:11 schrieb Maria Gouskova: > Hi all, > > I am having a similar problem with a related package--xyling (it > relies on xypic, just has some extra macros for linguistic trees). > > OS 10.6.8 > LyX 2.1.2 > > File attached. When I hit ps2pdf to preview, the file just does not > appear, although LyX thinks it's successfully made a PDF. I can create > a pdf from a minimal file using Postscript, but something is wrong > with the PS2PDF script. Unfortunately, I cannot generate a PDF from my > more complex file using Postscript--that one also reports successful > file creation, but not PS or PDF appears. > > Oh, and there is no cx folder in /var/folders on my system. This is a temporary directory and the name is random. You can see the start of in in the preference pane. The "cx" etc. referred to the path in Dough's email post. For normal preview operation you don't need to know it. The menu item Document -> LaTeX Log knows where to look for the log file. The View "Complete Log" button does the same. The preview problem of Dough is the inline display of code snippets and the log of this is not that easily found. > XeTeX and LuaTeX both have command definition conflicts for xyling, > but I've had problems generating PDFs with the simplest files using > these methods since about 2.1 (both return an error about the \sups > command being already defined). Not using \sups in the test file, as > you can see. The xyling_fail.lyx document works for me. The xetex_fail.lyx leads to the \sups problem too. It goes away when removing "\usepackage{tipa}" from the preamble. After this it compiles if one adds the missing closing brace of the "\newcommand{\rul} …" definition. Stephan > On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Stephan Witt wrote: >> Am 14.10.2014 um 23:23 schrieb "Lauen, Douglas L" : >> >>> Stephan, >>> >>> Yes! going to document settings, fonts, and then unclicking “Use non-Tex >>> fonts…” solves the problem with displaying my diagram. Thank you. >>> Now with that option unchecked, I cannot typeset my document using >>> command-R. I guess I can use other ways to view my output, though. >>> Do you know why command-R doesn’t work? Is there a way to fix that? >> >> Dough, >> >> in case of a Non-TeX fonts document Command-R is using the XeTeX compiler to >> create the PDF. >> Some content of the document makes it requiring this compiler. Without the >> option checked >> LyX uses the normal pdflatex compiler and e.g. some special foreign >> characters or math symbols >> are a problem here. >> >>> Before my update I did not encounter this, so something must be different >>> now! >> >> This I cannot answer, sorry. But you're right - there must be the problem. >> You've talking about your update to 10.9 Mavericks? Perhaps a python problem >> indeed. >> You may check the protocols inside the directory >> > /var/folders/cx/8z8j7c710t9gcfvtljxkvjkcgn/T/lyx_tmpdir.KZwQoCf15278/lyx_tmpbuf3 >> >> >> You have to look inside the directory you can see in the message window. >> The interesting file is named like "lyxpreviewZ33063.log" or similar. >> >> Stephan >> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 14, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Stephan Witt wrote: >>> Am 14.10.2014 um 19:15 schrieb "Lauen, Douglas L" : > Stephan, Thank you for the suggestion. This is odd. I don’t recall having > this problem before my upgrade to Mavericks. And very odd that is crops > up in one file but not another. > > It looks like python fails to process something… Hi Dough, note the difference in the two calls: the 2nd one has an additional switch "--latex=xelatex". This may be caused by the XeTeX/LuaTeX setting in the document settings. Perhaps you can live without it? Stephan > > Here is the message log from a change to the figure in displays.lyx > — > > 13:12:02.636: (dialog-toggle progress)graphics/PreviewLoader.cpp (468): > adding snippet: > $\xymatrix{ & U\ar[dl]\ar[dr]\\ > X\ar[rr] & c & Y > } > $ > graphics/PreviewLoader.cpp (530): PreviewLoader::startLoading() > graphics/PreviewLoader.cpp (665): PreviewLoader::finishedInProgress(0): > processing succeeded for python -tt > "/Applications/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/scripts/lyxpreview2bitmap.py" > --png > "/var/folders/cx/8z8j7c710t9gcfvtljxkvjkcgn/T/lyx_tmpdir.KZwQoCf15278/lyx_tmpbuf3/lyxpreviewq15278.tex" > --dpi 108 --fg 00 --bg faf0e6 --bibtex="bibtex" > Format.cpp (394): Recognised Fileformat: png > graphics/GraphicsCacheItem.cpp (379): > [CacheItem::Impl::convertToDisplayFormat] > Attempting to convert image file: > /var/folders/cx/8z8j7c710t9gcfvtljxkvjkcgn/T/lyx_tmpdir.KZwQoCf15278/lyx_tmpbuf3/lyxpreviewq152781.png > with displayed
help installing 2.1.x on Debian
Hi, can someone help me to install lyx 2.1.x on my Debian Jessie pc? I saw, that on ubuntu this can be done. So, I'm looking for repo to use with Debian TIA Renato
Re: help installing 2.1.x on Debian
The unstable branch now has either 2.1.1 or 2.1.2. You can just manually install that. -- David L. Johnson Department of Mathematics Lehigh University Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On October 17, 2014 8:22:17 AM renatowrote: Hi, can someone help me to install lyx 2.1.x on my Debian Jessie pc? I saw, that on ubuntu this can be done. So, I'm looking for repo to use with Debian TIA Renato
Re: Question about development of non-linear writing project
> Richard Heck lyx.org> writes: > > > > > > > half a year ago Iearned about the NonLinear Writing project at the > > > Google Summer School: > > > > > > http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/NonLinearWriting > > > > > > Anyone any idea what happened to that? > > > > Some work was done. It may find its way into 2.2, but that is not clear yet. Does anyone have any news on this issue? Lyx-outline that was the origin of this, developed by Rob Oaks, was already a useable software when this was picked up by the google summer code project. Now it seems to have died somehow. I really believe this to be a fantastic enhancement to Lyx and hope it will be incorporated into the main line software asap! Ketil
Re: Question about development of non-linear writing project
Richard Heck lyx.org> writes: > > On 01/09/2014 08:13 AM, Jan David Hauck wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > half a year ago Iearned about the NonLinear Writing project at the > > Google Summer School: > > > > http://wiki.lyx.org/GSoC/NonLinearWriting > > > > Anyone any idea what happened to that? > > Some work was done. It may find its way into 2.2, but that is not clear yet. > > Richard > I am worried about this issue too. No traces of this on the webpages and lyx-outline which was a working fork with the corkboard developed by Rob Oakes seems dead for a while now. This i a giant improvement for Lyx and it would be really sad if it was abandoned! All the best Ketil
osa-revtex
Hello, Is there a osa-retvex layout for lyx? Thank. === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France ===
thebibliography
Hello, It looks like that by default \thebibliography comes with {10} (in the bbl file). How can I change it? Thank. === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France ===
Is LyX 2.1.1 compatible with Mac OS X Yosemite?
Hello all, Can someone please tell me whether LyX 2.1.1 is compatible with Mac OS 10.10 (Yosemite)? Thank you very much, Daisuke
Re: Is LyX 2.1.1 compatible with Mac OS X Yosemite?
On October 17, 2014 at 13:32:35 PM, Daisuke Koya (dk...@mac.com) wrote: Hello all, Can someone please tell me whether LyX 2.1.1 is compatible with Mac OS 10.10 (Yosemite)? Thank you very much, Daisuke I’m running 10.10 but with LyX 2.1.2. Is there any reason you’re still on 2.1.1? There was a pretty big bug squashed in 2.1.2 related to data loss. -Steve