Re: Any Web Authoring Tools that work with VO?
For web editing, I use taco html editor. It's quite good, completely accessible, and althought it takes a bit of getting used to, it does have options to add snippets of code in case you forgot (or don't want to type it all) for you. For example, using the table snippet, you can tell it how many rows/columns you want, and it inserts all the code for you, then all you need to do is fill in the cells. Quite handy. Forms work well too, the only issue is, you need to know html yourself, as a lot of the add-in things don't guide you on proper form/syntax, so you need to know what you're doing, or you may get a form that has both post and get methods, as well as buttons and submit options. But, other than this slight quirk, I really like it. You can find taco html editor at: http://www.tacosw.com. hth --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Any Web Authoring Tools that work with VO?
Try a CMS. I use wordpress but ther'es drupel for also making html websites. Everythign is plugin driven. for an example see http://wics.cc I did use a bit of html code to center the headings but all in all you can do a lot with plugins only. On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Martin McCormick mar...@x.it.okstate.edu wrote: I am looking for a way besides manually cobbling html together to build web pages with forms that users could fill in to help us provide automated services that we presently must manually suffer through. It's not entirely clear what your problem with manually cobbling html together is that you are trying to solve, or that a different editor is going to help. If your problem is repetitive labor, maybe what you need is a templating system like Jinja2 to allow you to reuse code. If your problem is time to market, maybe what you need is a full-blown web application framework like Django, which would typically include a templating system, prebuilt widgets, and utilities for processing form submissions and interacting with databases? If your problem is not knowing the right HTML to use, maybe you need a good resource on HTML like: http://www.w3.org/wiki/Web_Standards_Curriculum We have no way to tell the customer what he/she should enter. They don't know what we want so nobody's happy. Is your problem that you're not sure how to encode names and descriptions for form fields in HTML? Use label elements to name controls. Associate labels with controls with for and id attributes. Use p elements to provide additional text help for controls. Associate paragraphs with controls using the id and aria-describedby attributes. Use fieldset to group controls. Use legend to name field sets. Does this example help? h1Title for the form/h1 pGeneral introduction to the form./p form action=submission-url method=POST fieldset legendShort name for a group of form controls/legend label for=unique-control-identifierShort name for an individual control:/label input name=name-to-use-when-submitting-the-form id=unique-control-identifier aria-describedby=unique-additional-help-identifier p id=unique-additional-help-identifierAdditional help for the control goes here./p /fieldset input type=submit value=Short name for submit button /form Alternatively, if you're not sure how to design forms to be easy to use, I recommend _Web Form Design: Filling in the Blanks_ by Luke Wroblewski: http://www.lukew.com/resources/web_form_design.asp -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Any Web Authoring Tools that work with VO?
That's true. but with more plugins beeing offered and with premium themes it just works for me but what ever works if you want to have a pro looking website with very little knowledge of html. On Apr 28, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Murielle (listes) wrote: it's drupal and not drupel. It works good with VO. Wordpress : it depends of the modules and plugins. Spip is also ok. I need to learn typo 3 for my job. It seems ok but needs to use the mouse cursor to activate contextuels menus. Regards. Murielle Le 28 avr. 2012 à 18:58, Sarah Alawami a écrit : Try a CMS. I use wordpress but ther'es drupel for also making html websites. Everythign is plugin driven. for an example see http://wics.cc I did use a bit of html code to center the headings but all in all you can do a lot with plugins only. On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Martin McCormick mar...@x.it.okstate.edu wrote: I am looking for a way besides manually cobbling html together to build web pages with forms that users could fill in to help us provide automated services that we presently must manually suffer through. It's not entirely clear what your problem with manually cobbling html together is that you are trying to solve, or that a different editor is going to help. If your problem is repetitive labor, maybe what you need is a templating system like Jinja2 to allow you to reuse code. If your problem is time to market, maybe what you need is a full-blown web application framework like Django, which would typically include a templating system, prebuilt widgets, and utilities for processing form submissions and interacting with databases? If your problem is not knowing the right HTML to use, maybe you need a good resource on HTML like: http://www.w3.org/wiki/Web_Standards_Curriculum We have no way to tell the customer what he/she should enter. They don't know what we want so nobody's happy. Is your problem that you're not sure how to encode names and descriptions for form fields in HTML? Use label elements to name controls. Associate labels with controls with for and id attributes. Use p elements to provide additional text help for controls. Associate paragraphs with controls using the id and aria-describedby attributes. Use fieldset to group controls. Use legend to name field sets. Does this example help? h1Title for the form/h1 pGeneral introduction to the form./p form action=submission-url method=POST fieldset legendShort name for a group of form controls/legend label for=unique-control-identifierShort name for an individual control:/label input name=name-to-use-when-submitting-the-form id=unique-control-identifier aria-describedby=unique-additional-help-identifier p id=unique-additional-help-identifierAdditional help for the control goes here./p /fieldset input type=submit value=Short name for submit button /form Alternatively, if you're not sure how to design forms to be easy to use, I recommend _Web Form Design: Filling in the Blanks_ by Luke Wroblewski: http://www.lukew.com/resources/web_form_design.asp -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at
Re: Any Web Authoring Tools that work with VO?
Emacsspeak with emacs will work if you are geeky. There is also Sandbox (or is it sandvox) which is fairly useful. Jonathan C. Cohn jonc...@cox.net On Apr 27, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: I am looking for a way besides manually cobbling html together to build web pages with forms that users could fill in to help us provide automated services that we presently must manually suffer through. We have no way to tell the customer what he/she should enter. They don't know what we want so nobody's happy. The logic we need to work through is not tremendously sophisticated so this shouldn't be that much of a job but I need some sort of engine that would help me design what we need. This topic has come up before so I am asking whether anybody has found a solution that A. runs on the Mac B. works with VO This problem is the type that can drive one to want to play in the traffic on a busy street or count the hours, minutes and seconds over the next 5 years to retirement. Neither one of these activities is really productive and the traffic thing is down-right painful to think about so I would rather come up with a web designer system and save the day for everybody while also saving my sanity.:-) I am also exploring this same topic on the Linux side of things as I really don't care which platform it is as long as it is unix-based, free or reasonable, and accessible. Thanks for all constructive suggestions. Martin McCormick --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Any Web Authoring Tools that work with VO?
Ah yes, but emacsSpeak is based 100% on Emacs and Emacs is a editor that is written almost exclusely in lisp (Some say that stands for Lots of Irratating spurfulous Parenthesis) In any case, if you load Xcode and then load a package installer on the macintosh you will then be able to install emacsspeek and supposedly it uses the Apple VOice library. I expect that if you went to terminal you would find a version of Emacs available, it was there in Tiger, but these days I usually use VI or textedit for my editing. If you need more specifics about emacsspeek I have kept in my archives somewhere the information. Write me off list for more info. Jonathan Cohn jonc...@cox.net Jonathan C. Cohn jonc...@cox.net On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: Thank you. I'll check these things out. By the way, I was geeky before that was a badge of honor. Jonathan C. Cohn writes: Emacsspeak with emacs will work if you are geeky. There is also Sandbox (or is it sandvox) which is fairly useful. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Any Web Authoring Tools that work with VO?
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Martin McCormick mar...@x.it.okstate.edu wrote: I am looking for a way besides manually cobbling html together to build web pages with forms that users could fill in to help us provide automated services that we presently must manually suffer through. It's not entirely clear what your problem with manually cobbling html together is that you are trying to solve, or that a different editor is going to help. If your problem is repetitive labor, maybe what you need is a templating system like Jinja2 to allow you to reuse code. If your problem is time to market, maybe what you need is a full-blown web application framework like Django, which would typically include a templating system, prebuilt widgets, and utilities for processing form submissions and interacting with databases? If your problem is not knowing the right HTML to use, maybe you need a good resource on HTML like: http://www.w3.org/wiki/Web_Standards_Curriculum We have no way to tell the customer what he/she should enter. They don't know what we want so nobody's happy. Is your problem that you're not sure how to encode names and descriptions for form fields in HTML? Use label elements to name controls. Associate labels with controls with for and id attributes. Use p elements to provide additional text help for controls. Associate paragraphs with controls using the id and aria-describedby attributes. Use fieldset to group controls. Use legend to name field sets. Does this example help? h1Title for the form/h1 pGeneral introduction to the form./p form action=submission-url method=POST fieldset legendShort name for a group of form controls/legend label for=unique-control-identifierShort name for an individual control:/label input name=name-to-use-when-submitting-the-form id=unique-control-identifier aria-describedby=unique-additional-help-identifier p id=unique-additional-help-identifierAdditional help for the control goes here./p /fieldset input type=submit value=Short name for submit button /form Alternatively, if you're not sure how to design forms to be easy to use, I recommend _Web Form Design: Filling in the Blanks_ by Luke Wroblewski: http://www.lukew.com/resources/web_form_design.asp -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
