Re: Mac Emulators--Which?

[Michael Dawe]

on 28/05/2003 1:44 PM, MUGWump at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> on 27/05/2003 10:34 PM, Darren at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> Worm Mike?
>>> http://web.archive.org/web/20020208145419/http://www.emaculation.com/other.s
>>> ht
>>> ml
>> 
>> Heh, I haven't looked at Worm for some time. I think I'll install a
>> copy onto VPC for a laff. It should run at least 2x as fast as a
>> real Plus even on VPC :)  
> 
> Let me know what your results are. In my present state of mind, I'll
> sacrifice capability for ease of installation (to a degree). :-)

I think Darren is getting more [positive] results than me at this stage.
But with regards to capability over ease of installation; Don't go for Worm,
it's a "dog's breakfast" and no longer under development, - a true case of
WYSIWYG.
> 
> I've heard of people stacking emulator on top of emulator. Just
> imagine this combination for a laugh;
> 
> Genuine hardware Macintosh running
> Real PC, which is running
> Basilisk II, which is running
> Bochs, which is running
> vMac, which is running
> Soft PC (the original), which is running
> Worm, on which someone is doing word processing using
> Microsoft Word 4 (or earlier) for the Mac.
> 
> Gives me headaches just thinking about it. 

Me too :) but I have seen screengrabs of nested emulators, running up to
about half of the above list. Ouch.

Mike


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Re: Mac Emulators--Which?

[Michael Dawe]

on 28/05/2003, Gregg Eshelman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- Michael Dawe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I don't have Win 9x set up on VPC. I installed it
>> onto DOS and got the error
>> message that it can't run from DOS. Which is a bit
>> weird, as it runs from
>> the CLI in a DOS window on 9x.
>> My current VPC is used for DOS and WFW 3.11 only (I
>> got the same error
>> message trying to run it in a DOS window from WFW).
> 
> It's not a DOS program, it's a 32bit "console app"
> or a 32bit application that uses the Command Prompt
> to launch.

I see, what a rotten little sod ;)

> Some 32bit apps always stay in the "DOS"
> window, especially older business software that's
> been ported to the Win32 environment. Still looks
> like old ASCII or ANSI "graphics" but it's Windows,
> baby! Yeah! ;P
> 
> Won't run under Win 3.1x because that's a 16bit
> operating environment on top of a 16bit Operating
> System, DOS. Some Win32 apps will run on 3.1x if you
> install the 32bit extentions called Win32s. (S is for
> Subset.) Many Windows apps released in late 1994
> though
> 1995 could run in both 3.1x and 95 though the "magic"
> of Win32s. They just didn't make calls to 32bit
> functions not included with Win32s.

I have some great programs, which run happily in both Win 9x and Win 3x with
Win32s installed. I was hoping that Worm may have obliged me in this
department, too :)

Never mind, I can live with that, Worm's not an emulator that I have much
time for, other than out of curiosity.

Mike


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Re: Mac Emulators--Which?

[Michael Dawe]

on 28/05/2003 10:31 PM, Darren at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> Be nice if it works, on VPC :)
> 
> Suffered a communal fault on the drive D image, lost legacy again. :(

Bummer!

> Anywho vpc4 is showing its colours, Vmac-dos runs at a very acceptable
> rate of knots. Startup looks better than booting the classic from the
> ram disk.

You're doing well, I'm having not much luck at all. Time to RTFM I guess.

>> So far I can get DOS-Vmac to crash VPC - I see "Welcome to Macintosh"
>> (rather broken up) before it hangs. It's back to DOS Doom for me :)
> 
> I'm using  something called System6 and System7 .dsk files for testing.
> Looks like your going with a sys7.x image?

No, I'm using a System 6x disk image in .hfv format - perhaps this is the
problem, it's an old image I made with HFV Explorer - works great on Worm, I
tried it out today on my PC.

> Finally read the faq's which explains why I've no mouse in vmac-dos. :)

This too, could be part of my problem :) but it seems to be video that is
totally screwed, I've since learnt that F10 gets me back to DOS, gracefully.

> Well vmac kicks worm in the dos department. Sound even (ok, bad sound)
> I'll try vpc2 and 3 for a speed comparsion and I'll pass you the details.

OK; seems you're streaks ahead of me, here.

Mike.


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Re: Mac Emulators--Which?

[Darren]

Michael Dawe wrote:

on 28/05/2003 2:59 PM, Darren at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 

I installed it onto DOS and got the error
message that it can't run from DOS. Which is a bit weird, as it runs from
the CLI in a DOS window on 9x.
 

Yes, same here booting to dos rather than doze.
Thought is was only my problem. Very little info in the zip.
See what dos-vmac produces by comparison. ;)
   

Be nice if it works, on VPC :)

Suffered a communal fault on the drive D image, lost legacy again. :(
Anywho vpc4 is showing its colours, Vmac-dos runs at a very acceptable 
rate of knots. Startup looks better than booting the classic from the 
ram disk.

So far I can get DOS-Vmac to crash VPC - I see "Welcome to Macintosh"
(rather broken up) before it hangs. It's back to DOS Doom for me :)
I'm using  something called System6 and System7 .dsk files for testing. 
Looks like your going with a sys7.x image?
Finally read the faq's which explains why I've no mouse in vmac-dos. :)

Well vmac kicks worm in the dos department. Sound even (ok, bad sound) 
I'll try vpc2 and 3 for a speed comparsion and I'll pass you the details.

Cheers Michael.






 





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Re: Mac Emulators--Which?

[Michael Dawe]

on 28/05/2003 2:59 PM, Darren at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> I installed it onto DOS and got the error
>> message that it can't run from DOS. Which is a bit weird, as it runs from
>> the CLI in a DOS window on 9x.
> 
> Yes, same here booting to dos rather than doze.
> Thought is was only my problem. Very little info in the zip.
> See what dos-vmac produces by comparison. ;)

Be nice if it works, on VPC :)

So far I can get DOS-Vmac to crash VPC - I see "Welcome to Macintosh"
(rather broken up) before it hangs. It's back to DOS Doom for me :)




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Re: Mac Emulators--Which?

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Michael Dawe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No luck Darren.
> 
> I don't have Win 9x set up on VPC. I installed it
> onto DOS and got the error
> message that it can't run from DOS. Which is a bit
> weird, as it runs from
> the CLI in a DOS window on 9x.
> My current VPC is used for DOS and WFW 3.11 only (I
> got the same error
> message trying to run it in a DOS window from WFW).

It's not a DOS program, it's a 32bit "console app"
or a 32bit application that uses the Command Prompt
to launch. Some 32bit apps always stay in the "DOS"
window, especially older business software that's
been ported to the Win32 environment. Still looks
like old ASCII or ANSI "graphics" but it's Windows,
baby! Yeah! ;P

Won't run under Win 3.1x because that's a 16bit
operating environment on top of a 16bit Operating
System, DOS. Some Win32 apps will run on 3.1x if you
install the 32bit extentions called Win32s. (S is for
Subset.) Many Windows apps released in late 1994
though
1995 could run in both 3.1x and 95 though the "magic"
of Win32s. They just didn't make calls to 32bit
functions not included with Win32s.

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Re: Mac Emulators--Which?

[Darren]

Michael Dawe wrote:

> I installed it onto DOS and got the error
>message that it can't run from DOS. Which is a bit weird, as it runs from
>the CLI in a DOS window on 9x.
>
>
Yes, same here booting to dos rather than doze.
Thought is was only my problem. Very little info in the zip.
See what dos-vmac produces by comparison. ;)


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Re: Mac Emulators--Which?

[Michael Dawe]

on 28/05/2003 1:28 PM, Darren at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> Heh, I haven't looked at Worm for some time. I think I'll install a copy
>> onto VPC for a laff. It should run at least 2x as fast as a real Plus even
>> on VPC :)  
>> 
> 
> Well on Realpc its workable under win95 but I think the classic runs
> rings around it. :)
> Better under vpc, still the classic would beat it.
> How goes your end? :)

No luck Darren.

I don't have Win 9x set up on VPC. I installed it onto DOS and got the error
message that it can't run from DOS. Which is a bit weird, as it runs from
the CLI in a DOS window on 9x.
My current VPC is used for DOS and WFW 3.11 only (I got the same error
message trying to run it in a DOS window from WFW).

Maybe some other time :)


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Re: Mac Emulators--Which?

[Darren]

Michael Dawe wrote:

Heh, I haven't looked at Worm for some time. I think I'll install a copy
onto VPC for a laff. It should run at least 2x as fast as a real Plus even
on VPC :)  
Well on Realpc its workable under win95 but I think the classic runs 
rings around it. :)
Better under vpc, still the classic would beat it.
How goes your end? :)





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Re: Mac Emulators--Which?

[MUGWump]

> Date:  Wed, 28 May 2003 12:14:14 +1000
> From:  Michael Dawe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> on 27/05/2003 10:34 PM, Darren at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Worm Mike?
> > http://web.archive.org/web/20020208145419/http://www.emaculation.com/other.sht
> > ml
>
> Heh, I haven't looked at Worm for some time. I think I'll install a
> copy onto VPC for a laff. It should run at least 2x as fast as a
> real Plus even on VPC :)  

Let me know what your results are. In my present state of mind, I'll 
sacrifice capability for ease of installation (to a degree). :-)

I've heard of people stacking emulator on top of emulator. Just 
imagine this combination for a laugh;

Genuine hardware Macintosh running
Real PC, which is running
Basilisk II, which is running
Bochs, which is running
vMac, which is running 
Soft PC (the original), which is running
Worm, on which someone is doing word processing using
Microsoft Word 4 (or earlier) for the Mac.

Gives me headaches just thinking about it. 

Ye olde MUGWumpe


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Re: Mac Emulators--Which?

[Michael Dawe]

on 27/05/2003 10:34 PM, Darren at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Worm Mike?
> http://web.archive.org/web/20020208145419/http://www.emaculation.com/other.sht
> ml
> Ok found it and a couple of others. :)
> Thanks for the tip.

Heh, I haven't looked at Worm for some time. I think I'll install a copy
onto VPC for a laff. It should run at least 2x as fast as a real Plus even
on VPC :)  

Mike


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