RE: semi-ot: Sonar virtual machines and dealing with virtual box

[Simon Fogarty]

That’s a bit of yes and no.

Yes it is useable if you are using OSX Yosemite or elcapitan with the vb 
version 5 upwards,
But before that voiceover will crash when you move to the VM application.

I have to use this on a daily basis for work and I find if I need to flick 
backwards and forward I have to keep turning vo on because it’s crashed due to 
us using VB 4.3.x  which allows me to use a Jaws USB authorisation key

Vb version 5 wouldn’t pick up on the USB device for some reason,

This may be fixed now but I haven’t tried to findout

Hope this helps.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of maurice.mines
Sent: Wednesday, 13 July 2016 10:24 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: semi-ot: Sonar virtual machines and dealing with virtual box

I have a question his virtual box usable with voiceover in any way, shape, or 
form? From the very little bit of research that I’ve done on this issue 
previously it was thought that virtual box is completely unusable with 
voiceover, this is still the conventional wisdom? Thank you in advance for your 
time, and eventual response to my question.

Sincerely Maurice mines.
FH phone, 360-524-9331.
 Amateur radio call sign, kd0iko.
note the text of my comments have been dictated to the computer by using Dragon 
version 5 for Mac OS, if there’s something in the text of my comments that you 
did not fully understand, this is due largely to either the software or the 
dictation process. If you truly don’t understand, and wish for me to clarify 
what I have written, please just let me know? I will do my very best to clear 
up any misunderstandings.
 Jul 12, 2016, at 8:50 AM, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Scott,

I guess we should take this off the MV list, but perhaps the person that did my 
installations did not include the voice packages?  I know very little of Linux, 
having BSD UNIX and Solaris (Unix System V based as my primary Unix variants. I 
know a significant number of the tools in Linux are based on GNU tools found in 
MacOS and a bit more like BSD UnIX than System

I certainly want to get back to using Emacs which was my primary editor in my 
sighted days.

Thanks,
Jonathan
) )

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 10:00 PM Scott Granados 
mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
Did you hold down the shift key?

Also, how long did you wait after the drums?

Would be happy to give it a host.  I’ve successfully done this with the stock 
Ubuntu install.

On Jul 6, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I tried your instructions, I hear the drumbeat. But then I do not get any 
speech. Do you have any ideas?
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:43 AM Scott Granados 
mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
All you do is boot holding the shift key down, you hear a drumbeat deal and 
then speech starts.

Should be relatively straight forward.


On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Devin Prater 
mailto:d.pra...@me.com>> wrote:

Hmm, how were you able to boot with speech? I didn’t think much of trying the 
mainstream distros, since I’ve heard that Unity isn’t accessible mostly.
Sent from my Mac.

Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com<mailto:d.pra...@me.com>



On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Scott Granados 
mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

How did you try to install it under VMWare?

One thing I had excellent luck with was Ubuntu under vmware fusion.  You can 
install it and boot with speech and you pretty much use the normal image 
creation tool, select the image, enter the type of Linux and give it a few 
minutes to build a VM.

That might be something to try.

On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Devin Prater 
mailto:d.pra...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi all. So on my path to learning Linux stuff, I’ve gotten Emacspeak to work 
with the help of Twitter folks, but now wanna see if Linux will be useful to me 
as a whole. I’ve gotten Fedora working, sort of, but there aren’t any 
blind-specific packages that I see on other Linux lists, so I now turn to 
Sonar. I’ve had VmWare Fusion for a while now, but using Sonar with it just 
fails after installation, nothing happens. So I got Virtual Box in order to 
play with an Android talking virtual machine, which stopped talking after 
updating talkback, and found that besides freezes, probably from it being 
Android, ported to x86 architecture, it ran pretty quickly and responsively, 
unlike VmWare unless you tweet settings in VMX files. So, are there any tips 
for more easily using Virtual Box, like adding iOS files to virtual machines 
and running them, when I tried it didn’t work, or anyone that has a Sonar 
Virtual machine that works in Virtual box, or VmWare somehow?
Sent from my Mac.

Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com<mailto:d.pra...@me.com>




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Re: semi-ot: Sonar virtual machines and dealing with virtual box

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

It has and accessible G you are right, but it also has full punctuality from 
the commandline. The commandline is accessible. If not confusing.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:24 PM, maurice.mines  wrote:
> 
> I have a question his virtual box usable with voiceover in any way, shape, or 
> form? From the very little bit of research that I’ve done on this issue 
> previously it was thought that virtual box is completely unusable with 
> voiceover, this is still the conventional wisdom? Thank you in advance for 
> your time, and eventual response to my question.
> 
> Sincerely Maurice mines.
> FH phone, 360-524-9331.
>  Amateur radio call sign, kd0iko.
> note the text of my comments have been dictated to the computer by using 
> Dragon version 5 for Mac OS, if there’s something in the text of my comments 
> that you did not fully understand, this is due largely to either the software 
> or the dictation process. If you truly don’t understand, and wish for me to 
> clarify what I have written, please just let me know? I will do my very best 
> to clear up any misunderstandings.
>>  Jul 12, 2016, at 8:50 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> I guess we should take this off the MV list, but perhaps the person that did 
>> my installations did not include the voice packages?  I know very little of 
>> Linux, having BSD UNIX and Solaris (Unix System V based as my primary Unix 
>> variants. I know a significant number of the tools in Linux are based on GNU 
>> tools found in MacOS and a bit more like BSD UnIX than System 
>> 
>> I certainly want to get back to using Emacs which was my primary editor in 
>> my sighted days. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Jonathan
>> ) )
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 10:00 PM Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> Did you hold down the shift key?
>>> 
>>> Also, how long did you wait after the drums?
>>> 
>>> Would be happy to give it a host.  I’ve successfully done this with the 
>>> stock Ubuntu install.
>>> 
 On Jul 6, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
 
 I tried your instructions, I hear the drumbeat. But then I do not get any 
 speech. Do you have any ideas?
 On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:43 AM Scott Granados  wrote:
> All you do is boot holding the shift key down, you hear a drumbeat deal 
> and then speech starts.  
> 
> Should be relatively straight forward.
>  
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm, how were you able to boot with speech? I didn’t think much of 
>> trying the mainstream distros, since I’ve heard that Unity isn’t 
>> accessible mostly.
>> Sent from my Mac.
>> 
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How did you try to install it under VMWare?
>>> 
>>> One thing I had excellent luck with was Ubuntu under vmware fusion.  
>>> You can install it and boot with speech and you pretty much use the 
>>> normal image creation tool, select the image, enter the type of Linux 
>>> and give it a few minutes to build a VM.
>>> 
>>> That might be something to try.
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
 
 Hi all. So on my path to learning Linux stuff, I’ve gotten Emacspeak 
 to work with the help of Twitter folks, but now wanna see if Linux 
 will be useful to me as a whole. I’ve gotten Fedora working, sort of, 
 but there aren’t any blind-specific packages that I see on other Linux 
 lists, so I now turn to Sonar. I’ve had VmWare Fusion for a while now, 
 but using Sonar with it just fails after installation, nothing 
 happens. So I got Virtual Box in order to play with an Android talking 
 virtual machine, which stopped talking after updating talkback, and 
 found that besides freezes, probably from it being Android, ported to 
 x86 architecture, it ran pretty quickly and responsively, unlike 
 VmWare unless you tweet settings in VMX files. So, are there any tips 
 for more easily using Virtual Box, like adding iOS files to virtual 
 machines and running them, when I tried it didn’t work, or anyone that 
 has a Sonar Virtual machine that works in Virtual box, or VmWare 
 somehow?
 Sent from my Mac.
 
 Devin Prater
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Re: semi-ot: Sonar virtual machines and dealing with virtual box

[maurice.mines]

I have a question his virtual box usable with voiceover in any way, shape, or 
form? From the very little bit of research that I’ve done on this issue 
previously it was thought that virtual box is completely unusable with 
voiceover, this is still the conventional wisdom? Thank you in advance for your 
time, and eventual response to my question.

Sincerely Maurice mines.
FH phone, 360-524-9331.
 Amateur radio call sign, kd0iko.
note the text of my comments have been dictated to the computer by using Dragon 
version 5 for Mac OS, if there’s something in the text of my comments that you 
did not fully understand, this is due largely to either the software or the 
dictation process. If you truly don’t understand, and wish for me to clarify 
what I have written, please just let me know? I will do my very best to clear 
up any misunderstandings.
>  Jul 12, 2016, at 8:50 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> I guess we should take this off the MV list, but perhaps the person that did 
> my installations did not include the voice packages?  I know very little of 
> Linux, having BSD UNIX and Solaris (Unix System V based as my primary Unix 
> variants. I know a significant number of the tools in Linux are based on GNU 
> tools found in MacOS and a bit more like BSD UnIX than System 
> 
> I certainly want to get back to using Emacs which was my primary editor in my 
> sighted days. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Jonathan
> ) )
> 
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 10:00 PM Scott Granados  > wrote:
> Did you hold down the shift key?
> 
> Also, how long did you wait after the drums?
> 
> Would be happy to give it a host.  I’ve successfully done this with the stock 
> Ubuntu install.
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> I tried your instructions, I hear the drumbeat. But then I do not get any 
>> speech. Do you have any ideas?
>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:43 AM Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> All you do is boot holding the shift key down, you hear a drumbeat deal and 
>> then speech starts.  
>> 
>> Should be relatively straight forward.
>>  
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Devin Prater >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm, how were you able to boot with speech? I didn’t think much of trying 
>>> the mainstream distros, since I’ve heard that Unity isn’t accessible mostly.
>>> Sent from my Mac.
>>> 
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Scott Granados >>> > wrote:
 
 How did you try to install it under VMWare?
 
 One thing I had excellent luck with was Ubuntu under vmware fusion.  You 
 can install it and boot with speech and you pretty much use the normal 
 image creation tool, select the image, enter the type of Linux and give it 
 a few minutes to build a VM.
 
 That might be something to try.
 
> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Devin Prater  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all. So on my path to learning Linux stuff, I’ve gotten Emacspeak to 
> work with the help of Twitter folks, but now wanna see if Linux will be 
> useful to me as a whole. I’ve gotten Fedora working, sort of, but there 
> aren’t any blind-specific packages that I see on other Linux lists, so I 
> now turn to Sonar. I’ve had VmWare Fusion for a while now, but using 
> Sonar with it just fails after installation, nothing happens. So I got 
> Virtual Box in order to play with an Android talking virtual machine, 
> which stopped talking after updating talkback, and found that besides 
> freezes, probably from it being Android, ported to x86 architecture, it 
> ran pretty quickly and responsively, unlike VmWare unless you tweet 
> settings in VMX files. So, are there any tips for more easily using 
> Virtual Box, like adding iOS files to virtual machines and running them, 
> when I tried it didn’t work, or anyone that has a Sonar Virtual machine 
> that works in Virtual box, or VmWare somehow?
> Sent from my Mac.
> 
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: semi-ot: Sonar virtual machines and dealing with virtual box

[Jonathan Cohn]

Scott,

I guess we should take this off the MV list, but perhaps the person that
did my installations did not include the voice packages?  I know very
little of Linux, having BSD UNIX and Solaris (Unix System V based as my
primary Unix variants. I know a significant number of the tools in Linux
are based on GNU tools found in MacOS and a bit more like BSD UnIX than
System

I certainly want to get back to using Emacs which was my primary editor in
my sighted days.

Thanks,
Jonathan
) )

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 10:00 PM Scott Granados  wrote:

> Did you hold down the shift key?
>
> Also, how long did you wait after the drums?
>
> Would be happy to give it a host.  I’ve successfully done this with the
> stock Ubuntu install.
>
> On Jul 6, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>
> I tried your instructions, I hear the drumbeat. But then I do not get any
> speech. Do you have any ideas?
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:43 AM Scott Granados  wrote:
>
>> All you do is boot holding the shift key down, you hear a drumbeat deal
>> and then speech starts.
>>
>> Should be relatively straight forward.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>
>> Hmm, how were you able to boot with speech? I didn’t think much of trying
>> the mainstream distros, since I’ve heard that Unity isn’t accessible mostly.
>> Sent from my Mac.
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>
>> How did you try to install it under VMWare?
>>
>> One thing I had excellent luck with was Ubuntu under vmware fusion.  You
>> can install it and boot with speech and you pretty much use the normal
>> image creation tool, select the image, enter the type of Linux and give it
>> a few minutes to build a VM.
>>
>> That might be something to try.
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all. So on my path to learning Linux stuff, I’ve gotten Emacspeak to
>> work with the help of Twitter folks, but now wanna see if Linux will be
>> useful to me as a whole. I’ve gotten Fedora working, sort of, but there
>> aren’t any blind-specific packages that I see on other Linux lists, so I
>> now turn to Sonar. I’ve had VmWare Fusion for a while now, but using Sonar
>> with it just fails after installation, nothing happens. So I got Virtual
>> Box in order to play with an Android talking virtual machine, which stopped
>> talking after updating talkback, and found that besides freezes, probably
>> from it being Android, ported to x86 architecture, it ran pretty quickly
>> and responsively, unlike VmWare unless you tweet settings in VMX files. So,
>> are there any tips for more easily using Virtual Box, like adding iOS files
>> to virtual machines and running them, when I tried it didn’t work, or
>> anyone that has a Sonar Virtual machine that works in Virtual box, or
>> VmWare somehow?
>> Sent from my Mac.
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com
>>
>>
>>
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Re: semi-ot: Sonar virtual machines and dealing with virtual box

[Scott Granados]

Did you hold down the shift key?

Also, how long did you wait after the drums?

Would be happy to give it a host.  I’ve successfully done this with the stock 
Ubuntu install.
> On Jul 6, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I tried your instructions, I hear the drumbeat. But then I do not get any 
> speech. Do you have any ideas?
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:43 AM Scott Granados  > wrote:
> All you do is boot holding the shift key down, you hear a drumbeat deal and 
> then speech starts.  
> 
> Should be relatively straight forward.
>  
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Devin Prater > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm, how were you able to boot with speech? I didn’t think much of trying 
>> the mainstream distros, since I’ve heard that Unity isn’t accessible mostly.
>> Sent from my Mac.
>> 
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> How did you try to install it under VMWare?
>>> 
>>> One thing I had excellent luck with was Ubuntu under vmware fusion.  You 
>>> can install it and boot with speech and you pretty much use the normal 
>>> image creation tool, select the image, enter the type of Linux and give it 
>>> a few minutes to build a VM.
>>> 
>>> That might be something to try.
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Devin Prater >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all. So on my path to learning Linux stuff, I’ve gotten Emacspeak to 
 work with the help of Twitter folks, but now wanna see if Linux will be 
 useful to me as a whole. I’ve gotten Fedora working, sort of, but there 
 aren’t any blind-specific packages that I see on other Linux lists, so I 
 now turn to Sonar. I’ve had VmWare Fusion for a while now, but using Sonar 
 with it just fails after installation, nothing happens. So I got Virtual 
 Box in order to play with an Android talking virtual machine, which 
 stopped talking after updating talkback, and found that besides freezes, 
 probably from it being Android, ported to x86 architecture, it ran pretty 
 quickly and responsively, unlike VmWare unless you tweet settings in VMX 
 files. So, are there any tips for more easily using Virtual Box, like 
 adding iOS files to virtual machines and running them, when I tried it 
 didn’t work, or anyone that has a Sonar Virtual machine that works in 
 Virtual box, or VmWare somehow?
 Sent from my Mac.
 
 Devin Prater
 d.pra...@me.com 
 
 
 
 
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Re: semi-ot: Sonar virtual machines and dealing with virtual box

[Jonathan Cohn]

I tried your instructions, I hear the drumbeat. But then I do not get any
speech. Do you have any ideas?
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:43 AM Scott Granados  wrote:

> All you do is boot holding the shift key down, you hear a drumbeat deal
> and then speech starts.
>
> Should be relatively straight forward.
>
>
> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
> Hmm, how were you able to boot with speech? I didn’t think much of trying
> the mainstream distros, since I’ve heard that Unity isn’t accessible mostly.
> Sent from my Mac.
>
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com
>
>
>
> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>
> How did you try to install it under VMWare?
>
> One thing I had excellent luck with was Ubuntu under vmware fusion.  You
> can install it and boot with speech and you pretty much use the normal
> image creation tool, select the image, enter the type of Linux and give it
> a few minutes to build a VM.
>
> That might be something to try.
>
> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
> Hi all. So on my path to learning Linux stuff, I’ve gotten Emacspeak to
> work with the help of Twitter folks, but now wanna see if Linux will be
> useful to me as a whole. I’ve gotten Fedora working, sort of, but there
> aren’t any blind-specific packages that I see on other Linux lists, so I
> now turn to Sonar. I’ve had VmWare Fusion for a while now, but using Sonar
> with it just fails after installation, nothing happens. So I got Virtual
> Box in order to play with an Android talking virtual machine, which stopped
> talking after updating talkback, and found that besides freezes, probably
> from it being Android, ported to x86 architecture, it ran pretty quickly
> and responsively, unlike VmWare unless you tweet settings in VMX files. So,
> are there any tips for more easily using Virtual Box, like adding iOS files
> to virtual machines and running them, when I tried it didn’t work, or
> anyone that has a Sonar Virtual machine that works in Virtual box, or
> VmWare somehow?
> Sent from my Mac.
>
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com
>
>
>
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Re: semi-ot: Sonar virtual machines and dealing with virtual box

[Scott Granados]

So did many of the Microsoft websites for a long time.  It’s changed since but 
there was a lot of Linux at good ol MSFT for a while.

> On Jul 1, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> The interwebness runs a lot on linux also.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2016 7:49 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: semi-ot: Sonar virtual machines and dealing with virtual box
> 
> Linux runs on everything.  My car has Linux in it I believe.  Macs are all 
> Unix under the hood and Linux is just a flavor of unix.  Solaris is another 
> flavor for example and Free BSD yet another.  All can run on a Mac.
> A Mac is a general purpose computer in the sense you can write what ever you 
> want for a device as long as you support it’s hardware.  It’s not just OS X 
> that you can run.  Remember, Bootcamp folks run windows natively every day.
> 
> There’s Unix for raspberry pies, linux running on computers half the size of 
> sugar cubes and on the other end of that spectrum, linux running on super 
> computers larger than many federal building complexes. A unix variant and I 
> believe in some cases Linux are even run on computers with in the space 
> shuttle going that far back or on the space station today.
>   The reverse is also true.  a PC like a Dell can also run OSX.  That’s a 
> legal issue and not licensed hardware so not a great idea administratively 
> but the hardware isn’t the issue.  Stuff runs on stuff it’s more generic than 
> you’d think.:)  I run router and firewall code right out of network 
> appliances to simulate their behavior on a Mac so my Mac spins up 4 virtual 
> Juniper routers and a couple SRX firewalls and I build a virtual lab 
> environment, running on the actual code but yet it sits right in my laptop 
> for me to build, takedown and rebuild to suit my testing and modeling needs.
> 
> Hope that clears things up.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
>> 
>> i think the only Mac thing here is that Linux runs on mac? unless i am
>> missing something? :)
>> 
>> On 7/1/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> All you do is boot holding the shift key down, you hear a drumbeat
>>> deal and then speech starts.
>>> 
>>> Should be relatively straight forward.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hmm, how were you able to boot with speech? I didn’t think much of
>>>> trying the mainstream distros, since I’ve heard that Unity isn’t
>>>> accessible mostly.
>>>> Sent from my Mac.
>>>> 
>>>> Devin Prater
>>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Scott Granados >>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> How did you try to install it under VMWare?
>>>>> 
>>>>> One thing I had excellent luck with was Ubuntu under vmware fusion.
>>>>> You can install it and boot with speech and you pretty much use the
>>>>> normal image creation tool, select the image, enter the type of
>>>>> Linux and give it a few minutes to build a VM.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That might be something to try.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Devin Prater >>>>> <mailto:d.pra...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all. So on my path to learning Linux stuff, I’ve gotten
>>>>>> Emacspeak to work with the help of Twitter folks, but now wanna
>>>>>> see if Linux will be useful to me as a whole. I’ve gotten Fedora
>>>>>> working, sort of, but there aren’t any blind-specific packages
>>>>>> that I see on other Linux lists, so I now turn to Sonar. I’ve had
>>>>>> VmWare Fusion for a while now, but using Sonar with it just fails
>>>>>> after installation, nothing happens. So I got Virtual Box in order
>>>>>> to play with an Android talking virtual machine, which stopped
>>>>>> talking after updating talkback, and found that besides freezes,
>>>>>> probably from it being Android, ported to x86 architecture, it ran
>>>>>> pretty quickly and responsively, unlike VmWare unless you tweet
>>>>>> settings in VMX files. So, are there any tips for more easily
>>>>>> usi

RE: semi-ot: Sonar virtual machines and dealing with virtual box

[Simon Fogarty]

The interwebness runs a lot on linux also.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2016 7:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: semi-ot: Sonar virtual machines and dealing with virtual box

Linux runs on everything.  My car has Linux in it I believe.  Macs are all Unix 
under the hood and Linux is just a flavor of unix.  Solaris is another flavor 
for example and Free BSD yet another.  All can run on a Mac.
A Mac is a general purpose computer in the sense you can write what ever you 
want for a device as long as you support it’s hardware.  It’s not just OS X 
that you can run.  Remember, Bootcamp folks run windows natively every day.

There’s Unix for raspberry pies, linux running on computers half the size of 
sugar cubes and on the other end of that spectrum, linux running on super 
computers larger than many federal building complexes. A unix variant and I 
believe in some cases Linux are even run on computers with in the space shuttle 
going that far back or on the space station today.
The reverse is also true.  a PC like a Dell can also run OSX.  That’s a 
legal issue and not licensed hardware so not a great idea administratively but 
the hardware isn’t the issue.  Stuff runs on stuff it’s more generic than you’d 
think.:)  I run router and firewall code right out of network appliances to 
simulate their behavior on a Mac so my Mac spins up 4 virtual Juniper routers 
and a couple SRX firewalls and I build a virtual lab environment, running on 
the actual code but yet it sits right in my laptop for me to build, takedown 
and rebuild to suit my testing and modeling needs.

Hope that clears things up.


> On Jul 1, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
> 
> i think the only Mac thing here is that Linux runs on mac? unless i am 
> missing something? :)
> 
> On 7/1/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> All you do is boot holding the shift key down, you hear a drumbeat 
>> deal and then speech starts.
>> 
>> Should be relatively straight forward.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm, how were you able to boot with speech? I didn’t think much of 
>>> trying the mainstream distros, since I’ve heard that Unity isn’t 
>>> accessible mostly.
>>> Sent from my Mac.
>>> 
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Scott Granados >>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> How did you try to install it under VMWare?
>>>> 
>>>> One thing I had excellent luck with was Ubuntu under vmware fusion.  
>>>> You can install it and boot with speech and you pretty much use the 
>>>> normal image creation tool, select the image, enter the type of 
>>>> Linux and give it a few minutes to build a VM.
>>>> 
>>>> That might be something to try.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Devin Prater >>>> <mailto:d.pra...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all. So on my path to learning Linux stuff, I’ve gotten 
>>>>> Emacspeak to work with the help of Twitter folks, but now wanna 
>>>>> see if Linux will be useful to me as a whole. I’ve gotten Fedora 
>>>>> working, sort of, but there aren’t any blind-specific packages 
>>>>> that I see on other Linux lists, so I now turn to Sonar. I’ve had 
>>>>> VmWare Fusion for a while now, but using Sonar with it just fails 
>>>>> after installation, nothing happens. So I got Virtual Box in order 
>>>>> to play with an Android talking virtual machine, which stopped 
>>>>> talking after updating talkback, and found that besides freezes, 
>>>>> probably from it being Android, ported to x86 architecture, it ran 
>>>>> pretty quickly and responsively, unlike VmWare unless you tweet 
>>>>> settings in VMX files. So, are there any tips for more easily 
>>>>> using Virtual Box, like adding iOS files to virtual machines and 
>>>>> running them, when I tried it didn’t work, or anyone that has a Sonar 
>>>>> Virtual machine that works in Virtual box, or VmWare somehow?
>>>>> Sent from my Mac.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> The following

Re: semi-ot: Sonar virtual machines and dealing with virtual box

[Scott Granados]

Linux runs on everything.  My car has Linux in it I believe.  Macs are all Unix 
under the hood and Linux is just a flavor of unix.  Solaris is another flavor 
for example and Free BSD yet another.  All can run on a Mac.
A Mac is a general purpose computer in the sense you can write what ever you 
want for a device as long as you support it’s hardware.  It’s not just OS X 
that you can run.  Remember, Bootcamp folks run windows natively every day.

There’s Unix for raspberry pies, linux running on computers half the size of 
sugar cubes and on the other end of that spectrum, linux running on super 
computers larger than many federal building complexes. A unix variant and I 
believe in some cases Linux are even run on computers with in the space shuttle 
going that far back or on the space station today.
The reverse is also true.  a PC like a Dell can also run OSX.  That’s a 
legal issue and not licensed hardware so not a great idea administratively but 
the hardware isn’t the issue.  Stuff runs on stuff it’s more generic than you’d 
think.:)  I run router and firewall code right out of network appliances to 
simulate their behavior on a Mac so my Mac spins up 4 virtual Juniper routers 
and a couple SRX firewalls and I build a virtual lab environment, running on 
the actual code but yet it sits right in my laptop for me to build, takedown 
and rebuild to suit my testing and modeling needs.

Hope that clears things up.


> On Jul 1, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
> 
> i think the only Mac thing here is that Linux runs on mac? unless i am
> missing something? :)
> 
> On 7/1/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> All you do is boot holding the shift key down, you hear a drumbeat deal and
>> then speech starts.
>> 
>> Should be relatively straight forward.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm, how were you able to boot with speech? I didn’t think much of trying
>>> the mainstream distros, since I’ve heard that Unity isn’t accessible
>>> mostly.
>>> Sent from my Mac.
>>> 
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Scott Granados >>> > wrote:
 
 How did you try to install it under VMWare?
 
 One thing I had excellent luck with was Ubuntu under vmware fusion.  You
 can install it and boot with speech and you pretty much use the normal
 image creation tool, select the image, enter the type of Linux and give
 it a few minutes to build a VM.
 
 That might be something to try.
 
> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Devin Prater  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all. So on my path to learning Linux stuff, I’ve gotten Emacspeak to
> work with the help of Twitter folks, but now wanna see if Linux will be
> useful to me as a whole. I’ve gotten Fedora working, sort of, but there
> aren’t any blind-specific packages that I see on other Linux lists, so I
> now turn to Sonar. I’ve had VmWare Fusion for a while now, but using
> Sonar with it just fails after installation, nothing happens. So I got
> Virtual Box in order to play with an Android talking virtual machine,
> which stopped talking after updating talkback, and found that besides
> freezes, probably from it being Android, ported to x86 architecture, it
> ran pretty quickly and responsively, unlike VmWare unless you tweet
> settings in VMX files. So, are there any tips for more easily using
> Virtual Box, like adding iOS files to virtual machines and running them,
> when I tried it didn’t work, or anyone that has a Sonar Virtual machine
> that works in Virtual box, or VmWare somehow?
> Sent from my Mac.
> 
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: semi-ot: Sonar virtual machines and dealing with virtual box

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

i think the only Mac thing here is that Linux runs on mac? unless i am
missing something? :)

On 7/1/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> All you do is boot holding the shift key down, you hear a drumbeat deal and
> then speech starts.
>
> Should be relatively straight forward.
>
>
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>
>> Hmm, how were you able to boot with speech? I didn’t think much of trying
>> the mainstream distros, since I’ve heard that Unity isn’t accessible
>> mostly.
>> Sent from my Mac.
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com 
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> How did you try to install it under VMWare?
>>>
>>> One thing I had excellent luck with was Ubuntu under vmware fusion.  You
>>> can install it and boot with speech and you pretty much use the normal
>>> image creation tool, select the image, enter the type of Linux and give
>>> it a few minutes to build a VM.
>>>
>>> That might be something to try.
>>>
 On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Devin Prater >>> > wrote:

 Hi all. So on my path to learning Linux stuff, I’ve gotten Emacspeak to
 work with the help of Twitter folks, but now wanna see if Linux will be
 useful to me as a whole. I’ve gotten Fedora working, sort of, but there
 aren’t any blind-specific packages that I see on other Linux lists, so I
 now turn to Sonar. I’ve had VmWare Fusion for a while now, but using
 Sonar with it just fails after installation, nothing happens. So I got
 Virtual Box in order to play with an Android talking virtual machine,
 which stopped talking after updating talkback, and found that besides
 freezes, probably from it being Android, ported to x86 architecture, it
 ran pretty quickly and responsively, unlike VmWare unless you tweet
 settings in VMX files. So, are there any tips for more easily using
 Virtual Box, like adding iOS files to virtual machines and running them,
 when I tried it didn’t work, or anyone that has a Sonar Virtual machine
 that works in Virtual box, or VmWare somehow?
 Sent from my Mac.

 Devin Prater
 d.pra...@me.com 




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Re: semi-ot: Sonar virtual machines and dealing with virtual box

[Scott Granados]

All you do is boot holding the shift key down, you hear a drumbeat deal and 
then speech starts.

Should be relatively straight forward.


> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Hmm, how were you able to boot with speech? I didn’t think much of trying the 
> mainstream distros, since I’ve heard that Unity isn’t accessible mostly.
> Sent from my Mac.
> 
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> How did you try to install it under VMWare?
>> 
>> One thing I had excellent luck with was Ubuntu under vmware fusion.  You can 
>> install it and boot with speech and you pretty much use the normal image 
>> creation tool, select the image, enter the type of Linux and give it a few 
>> minutes to build a VM.
>> 
>> That might be something to try.
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Devin Prater >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all. So on my path to learning Linux stuff, I’ve gotten Emacspeak to 
>>> work with the help of Twitter folks, but now wanna see if Linux will be 
>>> useful to me as a whole. I’ve gotten Fedora working, sort of, but there 
>>> aren’t any blind-specific packages that I see on other Linux lists, so I 
>>> now turn to Sonar. I’ve had VmWare Fusion for a while now, but using Sonar 
>>> with it just fails after installation, nothing happens. So I got Virtual 
>>> Box in order to play with an Android talking virtual machine, which stopped 
>>> talking after updating talkback, and found that besides freezes, probably 
>>> from it being Android, ported to x86 architecture, it ran pretty quickly 
>>> and responsively, unlike VmWare unless you tweet settings in VMX files. So, 
>>> are there any tips for more easily using Virtual Box, like adding iOS files 
>>> to virtual machines and running them, when I tried it didn’t work, or 
>>> anyone that has a Sonar Virtual machine that works in Virtual box, or 
>>> VmWare somehow?
>>> Sent from my Mac.
>>> 
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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[Devin Prater]

Hmm, how were you able to boot with speech? I didn’t think much of trying the 
mainstream distros, since I’ve heard that Unity isn’t accessible mostly.
Sent from my Mac.

Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com



> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> How did you try to install it under VMWare?
> 
> One thing I had excellent luck with was Ubuntu under vmware fusion.  You can 
> install it and boot with speech and you pretty much use the normal image 
> creation tool, select the image, enter the type of Linux and give it a few 
> minutes to build a VM.
> 
> That might be something to try.
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Devin Prater > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. So on my path to learning Linux stuff, I’ve gotten Emacspeak to work 
>> with the help of Twitter folks, but now wanna see if Linux will be useful to 
>> me as a whole. I’ve gotten Fedora working, sort of, but there aren’t any 
>> blind-specific packages that I see on other Linux lists, so I now turn to 
>> Sonar. I’ve had VmWare Fusion for a while now, but using Sonar with it just 
>> fails after installation, nothing happens. So I got Virtual Box in order to 
>> play with an Android talking virtual machine, which stopped talking after 
>> updating talkback, and found that besides freezes, probably from it being 
>> Android, ported to x86 architecture, it ran pretty quickly and responsively, 
>> unlike VmWare unless you tweet settings in VMX files. So, are there any tips 
>> for more easily using Virtual Box, like adding iOS files to virtual machines 
>> and running them, when I tried it didn’t work, or anyone that has a Sonar 
>> Virtual machine that works in Virtual box, or VmWare somehow?
>> Sent from my Mac.
>> 
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com 
>> 
>> 
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Re: semi-ot: Sonar virtual machines and dealing with virtual box

[Scott Granados]

How did you try to install it under VMWare?

One thing I had excellent luck with was Ubuntu under vmware fusion.  You can 
install it and boot with speech and you pretty much use the normal image 
creation tool, select the image, enter the type of Linux and give it a few 
minutes to build a VM.

That might be something to try.

> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. So on my path to learning Linux stuff, I’ve gotten Emacspeak to work 
> with the help of Twitter folks, but now wanna see if Linux will be useful to 
> me as a whole. I’ve gotten Fedora working, sort of, but there aren’t any 
> blind-specific packages that I see on other Linux lists, so I now turn to 
> Sonar. I’ve had VmWare Fusion for a while now, but using Sonar with it just 
> fails after installation, nothing happens. So I got Virtual Box in order to 
> play with an Android talking virtual machine, which stopped talking after 
> updating talkback, and found that besides freezes, probably from it being 
> Android, ported to x86 architecture, it ran pretty quickly and responsively, 
> unlike VmWare unless you tweet settings in VMX files. So, are there any tips 
> for more easily using Virtual Box, like adding iOS files to virtual machines 
> and running them, when I tried it didn’t work, or anyone that has a Sonar 
> Virtual machine that works in Virtual box, or VmWare somehow?
> Sent from my Mac.
> 
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com 
> 
> 
> 
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