Re: voice over comes to the I phone
The understanding is that VO and Zoom require the greater horsepower of the 3G S phone. On Jun 20, 2009, at 7:17 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > Are apple removing this from the update of older moddels due to low > specs? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
The versions of the iPhone prior to the 3GS does not have the hardware capabilities of running VOiceOver. So, unless you or whomever has an iPhone 3GS, VoiceOver will not work. On Jun 20, 2009, at 7:17 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > Can someone confirm something for me? > I'm ingajed in a dialog with someone that has updated there old i > phone to v 3.0 but can not find the voice over option. > Are apple removing this from the update of older moddels due to low > specs? > > On 19/06/2009, Brent Harding wrote: >> >> This would be good. Where my parents live, about 30 miles away, >> it's mostly >> Cellcom territory, which is CDMA. My Sprint phone seems to find >> enough >> Sprint coverage to work most of the time, but I find it roaming at >> times as >> well. I don't even know if AT&T would even get a signal there, and >> I don't >> want to pay for 2 phones. >> >> - Original Message ----- >> From: "Scott Howell" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:50 PM >> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone >> >> >>> >>> I read the article, but it does not state that Apple could not >>> develop >>> a CDMA phone once the contract expires and well to be honest, I >>> don't >>> know what the contract says or the exact date it terminates other >>> than >>> 2010 or 2011 are the dates I've heard tossed about. So, we'll just >>> have to wait and see. Like I said, I'm willing to wait as long as I >>> can get an iPhone that works on a reliable network where I work/live >>> and those areas I may travel. Not much of a traveler, so I won't be >>> hard to please. :) The hope in the end is that more carriers will >>> gain >>> access to the subway in our area and that will help a lot of folks. >>> VZW has exclusive rights in there, which may have or will expire >>> soon. >>> Then other carriers will enjoy access to the system and that is a >>> good >>> thing. Competition is always a good thing. >>> >>> >>>> >>> >> >> >>> >> > > > -- > Kind regards, BEN. > > email: bmustillr...@gmail.com > msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com > web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Hello; I don't know about upgrading an existing iphone, but I did hear the news release from a t & t saying that they would honor their previous promise to allow people to purchase the new iphone 3g at a big discount if they purchased their current iphone within the last 18 months. A new 3g will still cost 150 i think, but iw will have the hardware to run voiceover. Sorry, don't have a link to the story. Good luck, Max On Jun 20, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: > > As far as I know, Voiceover is only on the iPHone 3G S > > On Jun 20, 2009, at 7:17 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > >> >> Can someone confirm something for me? >> I'm ingajed in a dialog with someone that has updated there old i >> phone to v 3.0 but can not find the voice over option. >> Are apple removing this from the update of older moddels due to low >> specs? >> >> On 19/06/2009, Brent Harding wrote: >>> >>> This would be good. Where my parents live, about 30 miles away, >>> it's mostly >>> Cellcom territory, which is CDMA. My Sprint phone seems to find >>> enough >>> Sprint coverage to work most of the time, but I find it roaming at >>> times as >>> well. I don't even know if AT&T would even get a signal there, and >>> I don't >>> want to pay for 2 phones. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Scott Howell" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:50 PM >>> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone >>> >>> >>>> >>>> I read the article, but it does not state that Apple could not >>>> develop >>>> a CDMA phone once the contract expires and well to be honest, I >>>> don't >>>> know what the contract says or the exact date it terminates other >>>> than >>>> 2010 or 2011 are the dates I've heard tossed about. So, we'll just >>>> have to wait and see. Like I said, I'm willing to wait as long as I >>>> can get an iPhone that works on a reliable network where I work/ >>>> live >>>> and those areas I may travel. Not much of a traveler, so I won't be >>>> hard to please. :) The hope in the end is that more carriers will >>>> gain >>>> access to the subway in our area and that will help a lot of folks. >>>> VZW has exclusive rights in there, which may have or will expire >>>> soon. >>>> Then other carriers will enjoy access to the system and that is a >>>> good >>>> thing. Competition is always a good thing. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kind regards, BEN. >> >> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Yeah I emailed accessibility about this actually. They said only the 3gs has the necessary hardware to support VO. On Jun 20, 2009, at 4:28 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: > > As far as I know, Voiceover is only on the iPHone 3G S > > On Jun 20, 2009, at 7:17 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > >> >> Can someone confirm something for me? >> I'm ingajed in a dialog with someone that has updated there old i >> phone to v 3.0 but can not find the voice over option. >> Are apple removing this from the update of older moddels due to low >> specs? >> >> On 19/06/2009, Brent Harding wrote: >>> >>> This would be good. Where my parents live, about 30 miles away, >>> it's mostly >>> Cellcom territory, which is CDMA. My Sprint phone seems to find >>> enough >>> Sprint coverage to work most of the time, but I find it roaming at >>> times as >>> well. I don't even know if AT&T would even get a signal there, and >>> I don't >>> want to pay for 2 phones. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Scott Howell" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:50 PM >>> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone >>> >>> >>>> >>>> I read the article, but it does not state that Apple could not >>>> develop >>>> a CDMA phone once the contract expires and well to be honest, I >>>> don't >>>> know what the contract says or the exact date it terminates other >>>> than >>>> 2010 or 2011 are the dates I've heard tossed about. So, we'll just >>>> have to wait and see. Like I said, I'm willing to wait as long as I >>>> can get an iPhone that works on a reliable network where I work/ >>>> live >>>> and those areas I may travel. Not much of a traveler, so I won't be >>>> hard to please. :) The hope in the end is that more carriers will >>>> gain >>>> access to the subway in our area and that will help a lot of folks. >>>> VZW has exclusive rights in there, which may have or will expire >>>> soon. >>>> Then other carriers will enjoy access to the system and that is a >>>> good >>>> thing. Competition is always a good thing. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kind regards, BEN. >> >> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
As far as I know, Voiceover is only on the iPHone 3G S On Jun 20, 2009, at 7:17 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > Can someone confirm something for me? > I'm ingajed in a dialog with someone that has updated there old i > phone to v 3.0 but can not find the voice over option. > Are apple removing this from the update of older moddels due to low > specs? > > On 19/06/2009, Brent Harding wrote: >> >> This would be good. Where my parents live, about 30 miles away, >> it's mostly >> Cellcom territory, which is CDMA. My Sprint phone seems to find >> enough >> Sprint coverage to work most of the time, but I find it roaming at >> times as >> well. I don't even know if AT&T would even get a signal there, and >> I don't >> want to pay for 2 phones. >> >> - Original Message ----- >> From: "Scott Howell" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:50 PM >> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone >> >> >>> >>> I read the article, but it does not state that Apple could not >>> develop >>> a CDMA phone once the contract expires and well to be honest, I >>> don't >>> know what the contract says or the exact date it terminates other >>> than >>> 2010 or 2011 are the dates I've heard tossed about. So, we'll just >>> have to wait and see. Like I said, I'm willing to wait as long as I >>> can get an iPhone that works on a reliable network where I work/live >>> and those areas I may travel. Not much of a traveler, so I won't be >>> hard to please. :) The hope in the end is that more carriers will >>> gain >>> access to the subway in our area and that will help a lot of folks. >>> VZW has exclusive rights in there, which may have or will expire >>> soon. >>> Then other carriers will enjoy access to the system and that is a >>> good >>> thing. Competition is always a good thing. >>> >>> >>>> >>> >> >> >>> >> > > > -- > Kind regards, BEN. > > email: bmustillr...@gmail.com > msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com > web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Can someone confirm something for me? I'm ingajed in a dialog with someone that has updated there old i phone to v 3.0 but can not find the voice over option. Are apple removing this from the update of older moddels due to low specs? On 19/06/2009, Brent Harding wrote: > > This would be good. Where my parents live, about 30 miles away, it's mostly > Cellcom territory, which is CDMA. My Sprint phone seems to find enough > Sprint coverage to work most of the time, but I find it roaming at times as > well. I don't even know if AT&T would even get a signal there, and I don't > want to pay for 2 phones. > > - Original Message - > From: "Scott Howell" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:50 PM > Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone > > >> >> I read the article, but it does not state that Apple could not develop >> a CDMA phone once the contract expires and well to be honest, I don't >> know what the contract says or the exact date it terminates other than >> 2010 or 2011 are the dates I've heard tossed about. So, we'll just >> have to wait and see. Like I said, I'm willing to wait as long as I >> can get an iPhone that works on a reliable network where I work/live >> and those areas I may travel. Not much of a traveler, so I won't be >> hard to please. :) The hope in the end is that more carriers will gain >> access to the subway in our area and that will help a lot of folks. >> VZW has exclusive rights in there, which may have or will expire soon. >> Then other carriers will enjoy access to the system and that is a good >> thing. Competition is always a good thing. >> >> >> > >> > > > > > -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
This would be good. Where my parents live, about 30 miles away, it's mostly Cellcom territory, which is CDMA. My Sprint phone seems to find enough Sprint coverage to work most of the time, but I find it roaming at times as well. I don't even know if AT&T would even get a signal there, and I don't want to pay for 2 phones. - Original Message - From: "Scott Howell" To: Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:50 PM Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone > > I read the article, but it does not state that Apple could not develop > a CDMA phone once the contract expires and well to be honest, I don't > know what the contract says or the exact date it terminates other than > 2010 or 2011 are the dates I've heard tossed about. So, we'll just > have to wait and see. Like I said, I'm willing to wait as long as I > can get an iPhone that works on a reliable network where I work/live > and those areas I may travel. Not much of a traveler, so I won't be > hard to please. :) The hope in the end is that more carriers will gain > access to the subway in our area and that will help a lot of folks. > VZW has exclusive rights in there, which may have or will expire soon. > Then other carriers will enjoy access to the system and that is a good > thing. Competition is always a good thing. > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I read the article, but it does not state that Apple could not develop a CDMA phone once the contract expires and well to be honest, I don't know what the contract says or the exact date it terminates other than 2010 or 2011 are the dates I've heard tossed about. So, we'll just have to wait and see. Like I said, I'm willing to wait as long as I can get an iPhone that works on a reliable network where I work/live and those areas I may travel. Not much of a traveler, so I won't be hard to please. :) The hope in the end is that more carriers will gain access to the subway in our area and that will help a lot of folks. VZW has exclusive rights in there, which may have or will expire soon. Then other carriers will enjoy access to the system and that is a good thing. Competition is always a good thing. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Do we have a demo of someone using vo on the i phone yet? On 18/06/2009, Chris Blouch wrote: > > The 5 year GSM deal came from this May 2007 article in USA Today: > > http://www.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/2007-05-21-at&t-iphone_N.htm > > In particular: > > "AT&T has exclusive U.S. distribution rights for five years — an > eternity in the go-go cellphone world. And Apple is barred for that time > from developing a version of the iPhone for CDMA wireless networks. That > ban is no small thing. AT&T rivals Verizon Wireless and Sprint are both > CDMA shops. AT&T uses GSM, a global standard incompatible with CDMA." > > CB > > Scott Howell wrote: >> Well keep in mind that VZW is planning to move away from CDMA. How >> this will actually occur I don't have any details and I had not heard >> there was some sort of five year agreement to only use GSM. The >> technology VZW is planning to move toward is apparently a sooped-up >> version of GSM. Either way, I'm willing to wait for one of two things >> to happen and one will surely happen. >> >> 1. AT&T expands coverage and especially in the Metro Rail system here or >> 2 VZW gets the iPhone. >> >> The possibility of AT&T like other GSM carriers may very well gain >> access to the subway here because I believe VZW's exclusive agreement >> to be the only carrier in the system has or is going to expire. >> So, there is hope, but honestly I'm willing to wait a while and see >> where things go with VZW. Here their network has out performed all >> other carriers or at least the GSM carriers, but of course everyone >> will have different results depending upon where they live. >> >> >> > >> > > > > -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
The 5 year GSM deal came from this May 2007 article in USA Today: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/2007-05-21-at&t-iphone_N.htm In particular: "AT&T has exclusive U.S. distribution rights for five years — an eternity in the go-go cellphone world. And Apple is barred for that time from developing a version of the iPhone for CDMA wireless networks. That ban is no small thing. AT&T rivals Verizon Wireless and Sprint are both CDMA shops. AT&T uses GSM, a global standard incompatible with CDMA." CB Scott Howell wrote: > Well keep in mind that VZW is planning to move away from CDMA. How > this will actually occur I don't have any details and I had not heard > there was some sort of five year agreement to only use GSM. The > technology VZW is planning to move toward is apparently a sooped-up > version of GSM. Either way, I'm willing to wait for one of two things > to happen and one will surely happen. > > 1. AT&T expands coverage and especially in the Metro Rail system here or > 2 VZW gets the iPhone. > > The possibility of AT&T like other GSM carriers may very well gain > access to the subway here because I believe VZW's exclusive agreement > to be the only carrier in the system has or is going to expire. > So, there is hope, but honestly I'm willing to wait a while and see > where things go with VZW. Here their network has out performed all > other carriers or at least the GSM carriers, but of course everyone > will have different results depending upon where they live. > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
It could create a nightmare for Sprint to switch because there's so many phones out there. Try AT&T's old network into Cingular when that happened. - Original Message - From: "Scott Howell" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone > > Well keep in mind that VZW is planning to move away from CDMA. How > this will actually occur I don't have any details and I had not heard > there was some sort of five year agreement to only use GSM. The > technology VZW is planning to move toward is apparently a sooped-up > version of GSM. Either way, I'm willing to wait for one of two things > to happen and one will surely happen. > > 1. AT&T expands coverage and especially in the Metro Rail system here or > 2 VZW gets the iPhone. > > The possibility of AT&T like other GSM carriers may very well gain > access to the subway here because I believe VZW's exclusive agreement > to be the only carrier in the system has or is going to expire. > So, there is hope, but honestly I'm willing to wait a while and see > where things go with VZW. Here their network has out performed all > other carriers or at least the GSM carriers, but of course everyone > will have different results depending upon where they live. > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Well keep in mind that VZW is planning to move away from CDMA. How this will actually occur I don't have any details and I had not heard there was some sort of five year agreement to only use GSM. The technology VZW is planning to move toward is apparently a sooped-up version of GSM. Either way, I'm willing to wait for one of two things to happen and one will surely happen. 1. AT&T expands coverage and especially in the Metro Rail system here or 2 VZW gets the iPhone. The possibility of AT&T like other GSM carriers may very well gain access to the subway here because I believe VZW's exclusive agreement to be the only carrier in the system has or is going to expire. So, there is hope, but honestly I'm willing to wait a while and see where things go with VZW. Here their network has out performed all other carriers or at least the GSM carriers, but of course everyone will have different results depending upon where they live. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I guess what I heard was that Apple in the early days was shopping around their early prototypes and demos to different phone companies. Unlike most phone vendors they wanted no meddling from the carrier and would simply deliver their device 'as is'. That wasn't (isn't) the way it was done but they also offered the carrier exclusive rights in exchange for pretty much accepting the Apple device in whatever form it came out as. I heard VZ got the pitch and wouldn't give Apple the time of day but ATT took the gamble and have been well rewarded for it. Sure all the other carriers are now kicking themselves but it was a big risk for ATT to partner with Apple, who never before made a phone. Of course Apple thought they had a hit but how was ATT to know that? Anyway, in 2010 the exclusive deal ends and now that the tail is wagging the dog, Apple no longer needs ATT and can do what it wants. That said, there was also a 5 year deal that Apple would only use GSM in the US so that still blocks Sprint and VZ for a while longer. The rest of the world is GSM, so maybe this would kick Sprint and VZ off their non-standard networking ways in order to get in on the iPhone game. CB Scott Howell wrote: > Yes I have said this Larry and I have it on good authority VZW will > get the iPhone. As far as when, I don't know, but you can bet VZW > wants it and so do their customers. As far as the agreement with AT&T, > I believe that exclusive agreement ends this year and I know AT&T was > trying to extend this deal, but Apple I believe is not interested in > doing that. And in fact Apple would be doing themselves no favors by > extending the agreement with AT&T and would only benefit by entering > into contracts with other carriers. At this point Apple has proven to > all wireless carriers the viability of the iPhone. THis is the reason > why AT&T got the exclusive rights to begin with as I understand it. > AT&T was willing to take a risk for the exclusive rights and carriers > like VZW wouldn't bite when first approached and now regret that > decision. I suspect AT&T has benefitted considerably from the sale of > the iPhone. > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 9:29 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: > > >> Scott, >> >> In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be >> on the Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of what you >> are saying. Apple and at&t have an exclusive contract. The length of >> this contract isn't really clear and, in light of some things said >> yesterday, I am thinking that Apple might look to make some changes at >> the end of the deal. But, its very well known that these two companies >> have an exclusive deal in the United States. >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >> >>> It does work, will work, and blind people will have no problems using >>> the iPhone. I know for fact this is the case and I have gotten >>> Confirmation from a source. Point is, like anything, there may be a >>> learning curve, but it will work and it will be up to you to >>> determine >>> if it fits your needs. >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Not to mention that apple would not have made any jibes against AT&T not even unintentional ones if they were happy with AT&T. I to see the writing on the wall about more U.S. carriers. Just wish it were soon, like real soon. My wife has had an iPhone since the very first one, early on. I would just covet it, but had too hard a time using it. So now I'm like totally excited to run out and get one. And she wants a new one also. Says hers looks old and used. On Jun 10, 2009, at 8:57 PM, Justin Harford wrote: > Dude all you have to do is go read tech news. They are all talking > about it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Is this the case in the UK also? Kerry Painter (Independent Distributor) Save up to £600 per year on your utility bills call 0800 130 0421 or visit www.minibills.org.uk today for more information -- From: "ben mustill-rose" Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:41 PM To: "macvisionaries" Subject: voice over comes to the I phone > > Read. > http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
HI, I don't have the source off-hand. This came up on another phone Developers mailing list. But, I see things have changed. Regards, Alex, On 11-Jun-09, at 10:05 AM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:36 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> The criteria is that TomTom wants exclusive rights to Turn by Turn >> directions. >> >> So they have them. > > Do you have a source for such information? I haven't seen anything > that claims Tomtom has exclusive rights to turn-by-turn. Google Maps > cannot be used for turn-by-turn, due to Apple's contract with > Google, but there's nothing to stop other iPhone developers from > creating turn-by-turn apps with their own maps, and nothing that > says that Tomtom has any sort of exclusive. Such an exclusive would > be strange, in any event, since the Tomtom app doesn't come with the > phone, but is available for purchase from the iPhone app store. > > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
On Jun 11, 2009, at 1:07 PM, Brent Harding wrote: > They didn't say that in the presentation. I guess someone like > Sendero could do this as nobody said Tom Tom will be accessible for > us or even work for walking routes. Whoever takes this one on will > also likely have to make Bluetooth drivers for external GPS > receivers since the kind in most phones won't register movement less > than 5 miles an hour. I would believe that as I tried the trial of > Mobile Geo on my Sprint Mogul, and just sitting still the current > location drifted until it became unknown. Even the first fix was off > by at least several blocks. > At this point, we have no idea whether or not Tomtom will be accessible. It may or may not be, but I see no reason to assume without finding out. The iPhone has GPS, so as I stated previously, if Google Maps or Tomtom do not suffice, I'm sure some developer will come forward witha more robust application that will do what is needed. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
They didn't say that in the presentation. I guess someone like Sendero could do this as nobody said Tom Tom will be accessible for us or even work for walking routes. Whoever takes this one on will also likely have to make Bluetooth drivers for external GPS receivers since the kind in most phones won't register movement less than 5 miles an hour. I would believe that as I tried the trial of Mobile Geo on my Sprint Mogul, and just sitting still the current location drifted until it became unknown. Even the first fix was off by at least several blocks. - Original Message - From: Josh de Lioncourt To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:05 PM Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:36 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: The criteria is that TomTom wants exclusive rights to Turn by Turn directions. So they have them. Do you have a source for such information? I haven't seen anything that claims Tomtom has exclusive rights to turn-by-turn. Google Maps cannot be used for turn-by-turn, due to Apple's contract with Google, but there's nothing to stop other iPhone developers from creating turn-by-turn apps with their own maps, and nothing that says that Tomtom has any sort of exclusive. Such an exclusive would be strange, in any event, since the Tomtom app doesn't come with the phone, but is available for purchase from the iPhone app store. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Does it actually tell what streets you have to cross in the walking portion of the route after you get off the bus, how far away from the destination the bus drops off, etc? I tried the transit thingy as we have it for here, and it is only basically good for finding out which bus and what time, but not which direction to go after you get off the bus, what streets to cross, and how far. - Original Message - From: Josh de Lioncourt To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone On Jun 9, 2009, at 7:38 PM, Brent Harding wrote: I thought I heard that GPS like we need will never be a possibility with the maps program it comes with. I thought Apple is contractually obligated to stop short of turn by turn directions and not approve apps that do it. Dunno where you heard that, but they introduced just such a beast from Tomtom at WWDC. Apple cannot use Google Maps specifically for turn by turn. Tomtom uses it's own maps to provide turn-by-turn directions. The Google Maps program that ships with the iPhone, and which Apple lists on their site as accessible, provides both public transit and walking directions, according to my brother-in-law. So that sounds exactly like what I need. Not sure about the rest of you. *grin* Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:56 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > Assuming of course that the developer wants to. Essentially, you'll > end up with the exact same situation you have on every other platform > where a screenreader exists, its going to be down to the developers to > make there applications accessable. > To be honest, using a touch screen is nice, knowing where abouts > things are on the screen is nice, but it'll be the developers of the > third party apps that will diside if the i phone has a strong > following in the blind communitty or not. You have a point, but the iPhone has a much better shot at it than anything else out there, given how closely it is tied to Mac OS X. iPhone developers are, by and large, Mac developers. Mac developers have been very responsive to accessibility issues, more so than any other mainstream platform. I suspect we're going to see very similar, if not nearly exactly the same, level of access on the iPhone as we see on the Mac, and I expect that to come much more quickly on the iPhone. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:36 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > The criteria is that TomTom wants exclusive rights to Turn by Turn > directions. > > So they have them. Do you have a source for such information? I haven't seen anything that claims Tomtom has exclusive rights to turn-by-turn. Google Maps cannot be used for turn-by-turn, due to Apple's contract with Google, but there's nothing to stop other iPhone developers from creating turn- by-turn apps with their own maps, and nothing that says that Tomtom has any sort of exclusive. Such an exclusive would be strange, in any event, since the Tomtom app doesn't come with the phone, but is available for purchase from the iPhone app store. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voiceover on iPhone demo was Re: voice over comes to the I phone
On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:38 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > The voice on the phone is Victoria because of her great workings with > low RAM systems. She is the English US Candidate it seems. > > I saw this in a demo. Just to clarify, VoiceOver is not in the demo, though the iPhone's TTS is demonstrated. The voice is similar to Victoria, though I'm not sure it is quite the same. It appears to be the same voice used for English on the iPod Shuffle 3G for Windows and Tiger systems. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
>>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 7:38 PM, Brent Harding wrote: I thought I heard that GPS like we need will never be a possibility with the maps program it comes with. I thought Apple is contractually obligated to stop short of turn by turn directions and not approve apps that do it. >>> >>> Dunno where you heard that, but they introduced just such a beast >>> from >>> Tomtom at WWDC. Apple cannot use Google Maps specifically for turn by turn. Tomtom uses it's own maps to provide turn-by-turn directions. The Google Maps program that ships with the iPhone, and which Apple lists on their site as accessible, provides both public transit and walking directions, according to my brother-in-law. So that sounds exactly like what I need. Not sure about the rest of you. *grin* Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >>> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: > As I had mentioned in the past, the non-S model of iPhone didn't > have enough power to do real text to speech so I was kinda hoping > we'd have VO with the newly released model. That also means we won't > have this migrating to iPods and such anytime soon. Hope it works > well in the real world. I would bet cold hard cash that a similarly equiped iPod Touch with VoiceOver will be available in September, when Apple traditionally refreshes the iPod line, including the Touch. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Just to clarify some of this AT&T exclusivity contract business… On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:37 PM, Justin Harford wrote: > It is actually very clear. Just google it and you will find that the > ATT Apple contract expires in 2010. That's not really true. No one, outside the parties involved, know the exact details of the Apple/AT&T contract. for the iPhone. Speculation has led to the widely accepted consensus that the contract most likely expires in 2010, but that is not absolute knowledge. It's been further speculated that the contract might expire as early as the end of 2009, or extend through the summer of 2011. No one knows with absolute certainty. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html On Jun 11, 2009, at 6:44 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > OK, I’ve missed something here after being away from my email for a > while, what’s up with the IPhone? > > How is it been made useable? > > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of Ignasi Cambra > Sent: Tuesday, 9 June 2009 11:21 a.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone > > It is just great. I'm wordless... I'll try to get an iPhone as soon > as I can too. Did you guys read the long article about Snow Leopard > accessibility? Web browsing seems to have been enhanced a lot. > On Jun 8, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > > > I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll have > to get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just > tremendous. > > The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I absoltuely > cannot wait. > > > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > > > Read. > http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: voice over comes to the I phone
OK, I've missed something here after being away from my email for a while, what's up with the IPhone? How is it been made useable? From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ignasi Cambra Sent: Tuesday, 9 June 2009 11:21 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone It is just great. I'm wordless... I'll try to get an iPhone as soon as I can too. Did you guys read the long article about Snow Leopard accessibility? Web browsing seems to have been enhanced a lot. On Jun 8, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll have to get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just tremendous. The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I absoltuely cannot wait. Josh de Lioncourt .my other mail provider is an owl. Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: Read. http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Dude all you have to do is go read tech news. They are all talking about it. On Jun 10, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > > Yes, if you call them that is what they will tell you because they > don't even know. The person I spoke to has contacts far beyond the > sales staff. So, am I right or wrong? WEll hey, I can only go based on > what I have heard and I've heard this from more than one source. In > any event, I'll stop commenting on this thread, it is straying from > the purpose of the list. > On Jun 9, 2009, at 9:44 PM, peter Apgar wrote: > >> >> Sorry all to be the barer of bad news, I just hung up with VZ >> sales. Per >> my discussion VZ will not be carrying the I phone. ATT is still >> the only >> company. >> >> Pete >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Wanger >> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:29 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone >> >> >> Scott, >> >> In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be >> on the >> Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of what you are >> saying. >> Apple and at&t have an exclusive contract. The length of this >> contract isn't >> really clear and, in light of some things said yesterday, I am >> thinking that >> Apple might look to make some changes at the end of the deal. But, >> its very >> well known that these two companies have an exclusive deal in the >> United >> States. >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> >>> It does work, will work, and blind people will have no problems >>> using >>> the iPhone. I know for fact this is the case and I have gotten >>> Confirmation from a source. Point is, like anything, there may be a >>> learning curve, but it will work and it will be up to you to >>> determine >>> if it fits your needs. >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Yes, if you call them that is what they will tell you because they don't even know. The person I spoke to has contacts far beyond the sales staff. So, am I right or wrong? WEll hey, I can only go based on what I have heard and I've heard this from more than one source. In any event, I'll stop commenting on this thread, it is straying from the purpose of the list. On Jun 9, 2009, at 9:44 PM, peter Apgar wrote: > > Sorry all to be the barer of bad news, I just hung up with VZ > sales. Per > my discussion VZ will not be carrying the I phone. ATT is still > the only > company. > > Pete > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Wanger > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:29 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone > > > Scott, > > In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be > on the > Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of what you are > saying. > Apple and at&t have an exclusive contract. The length of this > contract isn't > really clear and, in light of some things said yesterday, I am > thinking that > Apple might look to make some changes at the end of the deal. But, > its very > well known that these two companies have an exclusive deal in the > United > States. > > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> It does work, will work, and blind people will have no problems using >> the iPhone. I know for fact this is the case and I have gotten >> Confirmation from a source. Point is, like anything, there may be a >> learning curve, but it will work and it will be up to you to >> determine >> if it fits your needs. >> >> >>> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Yes I have said this Larry and I have it on good authority VZW will get the iPhone. As far as when, I don't know, but you can bet VZW wants it and so do their customers. As far as the agreement with AT&T, I believe that exclusive agreement ends this year and I know AT&T was trying to extend this deal, but Apple I believe is not interested in doing that. And in fact Apple would be doing themselves no favors by extending the agreement with AT&T and would only benefit by entering into contracts with other carriers. At this point Apple has proven to all wireless carriers the viability of the iPhone. THis is the reason why AT&T got the exclusive rights to begin with as I understand it. AT&T was willing to take a risk for the exclusive rights and carriers like VZW wouldn't bite when first approached and now regret that decision. I suspect AT&T has benefitted considerably from the sale of the iPhone. On Jun 9, 2009, at 9:29 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: > > Scott, > > In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be > on the Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of what you > are saying. Apple and at&t have an exclusive contract. The length of > this contract isn't really clear and, in light of some things said > yesterday, I am thinking that Apple might look to make some changes at > the end of the deal. But, its very well known that these two companies > have an exclusive deal in the United States. > > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> It does work, will work, and blind people will have no problems using >> the iPhone. I know for fact this is the case and I have gotten >> Confirmation from a source. Point is, like anything, there may be a >> learning curve, but it will work and it will be up to you to >> determine >> if it fits your needs. >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voiceover on iPhone demo was Re: voice over comes to the I phone
the voice on the guided tour was Samatha. the one on the victor reader stream and trecker breeze. On Jun 9, 2009, at 11:42 PM, Jessi and Goldina wrote: > > where did you see the demo? are you talking about the IPhone guided > tour on the apple site? I don't think that would be the voice, but > maybe. > On 9-Jun-09, at 8:38 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> The voice on the phone is Victoria because of her great workings with >> low RAM systems. She is the English US Candidate it seems. >> >> I saw this in a demo. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voiceover on iPhone demo was Re: voice over comes to the I phone
And where is the demo??? On Jun 9, 2009, at 11:38 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > The voice on the phone is Victoria because of her great workings with > low RAM systems. She is the English US Candidate it seems. > > I saw this in a demo. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Which means that all of us should start writing them right away about the need of an accessible solution. On Jun 9, 2009, at 11:36 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > The criteria is that TomTom wants exclusive rights to Turn by Turn > directions. > > So they have them. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 9-Jun-09, at 4:44 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: > >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 7:38 PM, Brent Harding wrote: >> >>> >>> I thought I heard that GPS like we need will never be a possibility >>> with the >>> maps program it comes with. I thought Apple is contractually >>> obligated to >>> stop short of turn by turn directions and not approve apps that do >>> it. >> >> Dunno where you heard that, but they introduced just such a beast >> from >> Tomtom at WWDC. >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I don't think Verizon will sell the iPhone because on the keynote they announced the price for the 3GS and clearly said that it was the AT&T pricing in the United States. So if the iPhone is going to be on the VZ network, why wouldn't he have announced that? On Jun 9, 2009, at 9:29 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: > > Scott, > > In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be > on the Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of what you > are saying. Apple and at&t have an exclusive contract. The length of > this contract isn't really clear and, in light of some things said > yesterday, I am thinking that Apple might look to make some changes at > the end of the deal. But, its very well known that these two companies > have an exclusive deal in the United States. > > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> It does work, will work, and blind people will have no problems using >> the iPhone. I know for fact this is the case and I have gotten >> Confirmation from a source. Point is, like anything, there may be a >> learning curve, but it will work and it will be up to you to >> determine >> if it fits your needs. >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Hi, I thought I made it clear, or maybe I didn't that after talkng to Apple there is indeed Voiceover on the iPod Touch. Regards, Alex, On 9-Jun-09, at 10:37 PM, Justin Harford wrote: > > It is actually very clear. Just google it and you will find that the > ATT Apple contract expires in 2010. > On Jun 9, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: > >> >> Scott, >> >> In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be >> on the Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of what you >> are saying. Apple and at&t have an exclusive contract. The length of >> this contract isn't really clear and, in light of some things said >> yesterday, I am thinking that Apple might look to make some changes >> at >> the end of the deal. But, its very well known that these two >> companies >> have an exclusive deal in the United States. >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> >>> It does work, will work, and blind people will have no problems >>> using >>> the iPhone. I know for fact this is the case and I have gotten >>> Confirmation from a source. Point is, like anything, there may be a >>> learning curve, but it will work and it will be up to you to >>> determine >>> if it fits your needs. >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
At least the guys at Apple were honest and mentioned that some 3rd programs wouldn't work. I believe this is a bold statement to say. Hats off to Apple. Most companies that sells VI products will usually boast about how great the product is and that it's the best in the market. The name of the game is honesty and not greed... Nothing can be great from the first attempt; however, some are creative when it comes to improving their products, and some like to make dramatic announcement with marginal improvement.. Apple doesn't belong to the latter. Cheers, Khalid who is not a Mac user :) - Original Message - From: Larry Wanger To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:24 PM Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone To throw some more fuel on this discussion, Apple tends to be a company that plans ahead and has a road map in terms of where it is going. Wouldn't you think that they knew that over time they anticipated adding voice over to the iPhone? And, we know that VO was on the Mac for a few years previous to it going to the iPhone. It would seem that as they helped developers design applications that they have been giving them the tools to make them accessible? So, what I'm really saying is that yesterday might not have been the first time that developers heard about VO on the iPhone. Or, its possible that they've just been developing applications following design specifications from Apple that will enable us to have good access to a lot of the applications. Not sure, just thinking. I'm thinking that games and some of the other very graphical applications won't work for us but many are very text rich and that could work. Also, I know there is a Kendle application and I wonder if we can get access to those books? On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:03 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > > I might be wrong, but Mac OS X has been around for quite a long time > now, and it is possible to create Mac compatible apps without using > the Cocoa framework. This is were I might really be wrong, but from > what I heard yesterday from the WWDC keynote, and from what I've read, > developers who make iPhone apps can only use a series of tools > provided by Apple, with some 1000 API's, to create their software. So > in such a restricted environment (that is, if I'm still not really > wrong) shouldn't most apps just work with VO? > > Ignasi > On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: > >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> HI, >>> >>> YOU ARE MISSING THE FEATURE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO FIX APPLICATIONS THAT >>> ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE. >> >> ...Which I only saw mention of in the OS X section, not in the iPhone >> section. Not to say it won't be possible. And this feature likely >> won't fix apps that simply expose nothing (or very little) to VO in >> the first place. >> >> All that said, my understanding is that iPhone apps, like most modern >> OS X apps, use a common set of development tools and standard >> controls. This should mean that most will be at least somewhat >> accessible from the start. No? >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
ATT is the exclusive carrier for the USA so VZ can only dream about offering the iPhone. Maybe VZ gave Apple the brush off when they had their chance at it. I know VZ in the past has been anti-mac so why would that change now? CB Scott Howell wrote: > Well what I really hope is that Verizon Wireless will pickup the > iPhone and instead of CDMA support, the newer standard VZW is going > with will be supported, which will be like GSM, but even better. Like > having the benefits of GSM and CDMA combined and hopped up a few > notches. As far as iTunes and the iPod, well sorry you have so much > trouble. I myself have been using a Nano and I've had very good > success with it. Matter of fact I've run it down on many occasions and > just plugging it back in has been enough to charge it without loosing > any content etc. > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > > >> Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started pouring >> and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of >> coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some >> anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour the >> second one... >> >> OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket licence in >> the trash any time soon. >> >> First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man. >> An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in >> exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So forget >> it for the time being at least. >> >> So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read anything >> about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to >> have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on >> ocasion. So it's really exciting to see the support coming along. >> I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for half an >> hour. But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps >> system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these >> features are tested and true. >> >> So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do >> get... ITunes. You need ITunes to sync your calendar and >> contacts? ...seriously? What happened to ISync? Forget it. I can't >> wait to get rid of my IPod, because the software I tried to replace >> ITunes for syncing my music doesn't work and I'm sick of the whole >> mess. Why would I want to buy another device that forces me to ITunes >> to sync my calendar and contacts? No thank you. ITunes is getting >> the old command option delete as soon as this IPod is gone. Not that >> I have anything against the IPod. It's a beautiful machine. My only >> problems with it are that it dumps my library every time the battery >> dies, and ITunes crashes whenever it tries to sync. Oh, and ITunes >> doesn't update my library properly, and it won't let me change the >> settings for ripping/encoding cd's, and it corupts my library every >> three months or so and makes me start all over again, and it fills my >> screen with all kinds of clutter I don't need, and Oh yeh, I generally >> hate being forced into using software that I don't like... Fwew! >> >> So basicly I'll wait till I can have the functionality that I have on >> my I-Paq, especially gps navigation, braille support, and copy and >> paste file transfers. >> >> Another thing the IPhone didn't have previously which I hope they've >> fixed now is cdma support. It's got to have cdma support to be really >> viable here where CDMA is king. I'm using gsm, and would be more ore >> less happy with it if my carrier didn't lie to me, price gouge me, and >> go behind my back at every turn. I am counting down the days left on >> my contract so I can cut my rediculous sell phone bill. There are way >> more CDMA carriers here than gsm though, in fact there are only two >> gsm carriers here and they are both owned by the same company which is >> universally hated here. It's not just me this time. So, we have to >> have cdma support if we want to make the IPhone attractive to the %75 >> of us who don't use a gsm carrier here in ontario, and probably the >> rest of canada as well. Right now, the only supported platform that >> runs on CDMA unless the new IPhone comes with CDMA support is windows >> mobile and mobile speak pocket/smartphone. So that's what technology >> companies here are going to keep selling. When orator and the >> blackberry support comes it's going to be CDMA supported as well, and >> so we might go with that for people who don't want advanced screen >> reader features. >> >> It is nice to see the stride finally taken in this area though. Apple >> accessibility is making finominal products, but the detracters will >> never stop complaining that this that or the other device isn't >> accessible, so Apple must be falling behind on it's committments or >> they aren't really serious. It's not for me, but I b
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
It is actually very clear. Just google it and you will find that the ATT Apple contract expires in 2010. On Jun 9, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: > > Scott, > > In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be > on the Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of what you > are saying. Apple and at&t have an exclusive contract. The length of > this contract isn't really clear and, in light of some things said > yesterday, I am thinking that Apple might look to make some changes at > the end of the deal. But, its very well known that these two companies > have an exclusive deal in the United States. > > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> It does work, will work, and blind people will have no problems using >> the iPhone. I know for fact this is the case and I have gotten >> Confirmation from a source. Point is, like anything, there may be a >> learning curve, but it will work and it will be up to you to >> determine >> if it fits your needs. >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Actually i've done this successfully, by hijacking system audio, hijacking my mic, and going back to the system audio session, and hitting record on that. On Jun 9, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Brent Harding wrote: > > What, there's a feature in OSX to run an app I download through to > fix most > of the accessibility issues? I wish that effects panel in Audio > Hijack Pro > could be fixed so I could record podcasts using both the mic and VO > without > having to resort to time compression/expansion to make both files > the same > length and then mix it down into one later. > > - Original Message - > From: "Buddy Brannan" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:54 AM > Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone > > >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> HI, >>> >>> YOU ARE MISSING THE FEATURE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO FIX APPLICATIONS THAT >>> ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE. >> >> ...Which I only saw mention of in the OS X section, not in the iPhone >> section. Not to say it won't be possible. And this feature likely >> won't fix apps that simply expose nothing (or very little) to VO in >> the first place. >> >> All that said, my understanding is that iPhone apps, like most modern >> OS X apps, use a common set of development tools and standard >> controls. This should mean that most will be at least somewhat >> accessible from the start. No? >> >> >>> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I believe this was due to the 2 year contract that would have to be broken. There has been some discussion about this in other forums. So if you've got most of a two year contract on your current phone and want to break it to get an iPhone it's going to cost you. This is probably an AT&T thing (in the states) rather than an Apple thing. CB Larry Wanger wrote: > I've been looking in to whether or not VO and some of the newer > features of software version 3.0 will run on the older iPhones. It > sounds like the hardware between the new iPhone and the iPhone 3G > aren't that different. However, I can't tell for sure about iPhones > older than that. My wife has the model that came out just before the > 3G did and it looks like she's upgrading so I may try to use her older > phone. Not sure if that will work. > > What I have found out is that the new iPhone is not priced as neatly > as they claim it is. Those under more recent contracts with At&T will > need to pay much more for the new phone. > > So, for example, my wife and I have 2 year contracts. I priced out the > new iPhone if I purchase one on my line and its $499 for the 32GB > model. Meanwhile, my wife got her iPhone in April of last year and can > get an upgrade price of $299 for the new phone. I don't understand > this arrangement because I don't even have an iPhone and I purchased > my Samsung Blackjack II 2 months before she got her iPhone. > > In any case, the software comes out on the 17th and we'll see what I > can do with it. > > > > > On Jun 8, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I think it will be. >> >> They will be upgradable for $10 for all the firmware. Unfortunately >> they did add CPU power, ... So who knows about VO running on the >> older phones. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 8-Jun-09, at 8:07 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >> >>> Well, I'm guessing it will be...I mean wouldn't it be part of the >>> OS? We'll have to wait and see... >>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 9:52 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: >>> >>>> The iPhone 3.0 software update will be available on June 17 from >>>> what I heard. I don't know though if voice over will be included in >>>> that. >>>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>> >>>>> Oh, and now that I think about it, does anyone know if existing >>>>> iPod touch or iPhones can be upgraded to the new system? They all >>>>> have the necessary touch screen, so hypothetically VO should be >>>>> able to work on them, unless Apple added a lot of processing power >>>>> and memory to the new iPhones, which makes accessibility viable... >>>>> >>>>> Ignasi >>>>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 7:28 PM, glenn wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello >>>>>> Does anyone know of any demonstration videos showing the addition >>>>>> of Voiceover? >>>>>> Any word whether Voiceover will be available for the ipod touch? >>>>>> >>>>>> Glenn >>>>>> >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> *From:* Josh de Lioncourt <mailto:overl...@lioncourt.com> >>>>>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: voice over comes to the I phone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. >>>>>> I'll have to get me an iPhone as soon as I >>>>>> possibly can. This is just tremendous. >>>>>> >>>>>> The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I >>>>>> absoltuely cannot wait. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh de Lioncourt >>>>>> …my other mail provider is an owl… >>>>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >>>>>> Music: http://stage19music.com >>>>>> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >>>>>> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >>>>>> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Read. >>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
As I had mentioned in the past, the non-S model of iPhone didn't have enough power to do real text to speech so I was kinda hoping we'd have VO with the newly released model. That also means we won't have this migrating to iPods and such anytime soon. Hope it works well in the real world. CB Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll have > to get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just tremendous. > > The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I absoltuely > cannot wait. > > > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > >> >> Read. >> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
On Jun 10, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Brent Harding wrote: > > Ah, so that means that we will probably not see something useful for > the > blind unless we could accessibly jailbreak and keep VO in tact. What?! Which part of "All apps that ship with the phone will work with Voiceover" was unclear? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voiceover on iPhone demo was Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Sounds to me like an improved version of Agness. I'm guessing the voice shown in the guided tour during the voice control section is the same used for VO feedback. James On 6/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > Yep. Sure is.. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 9-Jun-09, at 8:42 PM, Jessi and Goldina wrote: > >> >> where did you see the demo? are you talking about the IPhone guided >> tour on the apple site? I don't think that would be the voice, but >> maybe. >> On 9-Jun-09, at 8:38 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The voice on the phone is Victoria because of her great workings with >>> low RAM systems. She is the English US Candidate it seems. >>> >>> I saw this in a demo. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Ah, so that means that we will probably not see something useful for the blind unless we could accessibly jailbreak and keep VO in tact. - Original Message - From: "Alex Jurgensen" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:36 PM Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone > > Hi, > > The criteria is that TomTom wants exclusive rights to Turn by Turn > directions. > > So they have them. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 9-Jun-09, at 4:44 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: > >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 7:38 PM, Brent Harding wrote: >> >>> >>> I thought I heard that GPS like we need will never be a possibility >>> with the >>> maps program it comes with. I thought Apple is contractually >>> obligated to >>> stop short of turn by turn directions and not approve apps that do >>> it. >> >> Dunno where you heard that, but they introduced just such a beast from >> Tomtom at WWDC. >> >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voiceover on iPhone demo was Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Hi, Yep. Sure is.. Regards, Alex, On 9-Jun-09, at 8:42 PM, Jessi and Goldina wrote: > > where did you see the demo? are you talking about the IPhone guided > tour on the apple site? I don't think that would be the voice, but > maybe. > On 9-Jun-09, at 8:38 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> The voice on the phone is Victoria because of her great workings with >> low RAM systems. She is the English US Candidate it seems. >> >> I saw this in a demo. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voiceover on iPhone demo was Re: voice over comes to the I phone
where did you see the demo? are you talking about the IPhone guided tour on the apple site? I don't think that would be the voice, but maybe. On 9-Jun-09, at 8:38 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > The voice on the phone is Victoria because of her great workings with > low RAM systems. She is the English US Candidate it seems. > > I saw this in a demo. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Voiceover on iPhone demo was Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Hi, The voice on the phone is Victoria because of her great workings with low RAM systems. She is the English US Candidate it seems. I saw this in a demo. Regards, Alex, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Hi, The criteria is that TomTom wants exclusive rights to Turn by Turn directions. So they have them. Regards, Alex, On 9-Jun-09, at 4:44 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: > > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 7:38 PM, Brent Harding wrote: > >> >> I thought I heard that GPS like we need will never be a possibility >> with the >> maps program it comes with. I thought Apple is contractually >> obligated to >> stop short of turn by turn directions and not approve apps that do >> it. > > Dunno where you heard that, but they introduced just such a beast from > Tomtom at WWDC. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: voice over comes to the I phone
I will have one the nineteenth no matter the carrier. Pete -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Reiser Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:56 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone They probably won't say anything right now but good sources from there have said they would carry it. We'll just have to see what happens. Mike On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:44 PM, peter Apgar wrote: > > Sorry all to be the barer of bad news, I just hung up with VZ sales. > Per my discussion VZ will not be carrying the I phone. ATT is still > the only company. > > Pete > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Wanger > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:29 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone > > > Scott, > > In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be > on the Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of what you > are saying. > Apple and at&t have an exclusive contract. The length of this contract > isn't really clear and, in light of some things said yesterday, I am > thinking that Apple might look to make some changes at the end of the > deal. But, its very well known that these two companies have an > exclusive deal in the United States. > > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> It does work, will work, and blind people will have no problems using >> the iPhone. I know for fact this is the case and I have gotten >> Confirmation from a source. Point is, like anything, there may be a >> learning curve, but it will work and it will be up to you to >> determine if it fits your needs. >> >> >>> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
They probably won't say anything right now but good sources from there have said they would carry it. We'll just have to see what happens. Mike On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:44 PM, peter Apgar wrote: > > Sorry all to be the barer of bad news, I just hung up with VZ > sales. Per > my discussion VZ will not be carrying the I phone. ATT is still > the only > company. > > Pete > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Wanger > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:29 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone > > > Scott, > > In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be > on the > Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of what you are > saying. > Apple and at&t have an exclusive contract. The length of this > contract isn't > really clear and, in light of some things said yesterday, I am > thinking that > Apple might look to make some changes at the end of the deal. But, > its very > well known that these two companies have an exclusive deal in the > United > States. > > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> It does work, will work, and blind people will have no problems using >> the iPhone. I know for fact this is the case and I have gotten >> Confirmation from a source. Point is, like anything, there may be a >> learning curve, but it will work and it will be up to you to >> determine >> if it fits your needs. >> >> >>> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: voice over comes to the I phone
Sorry all to be the barer of bad news, I just hung up with VZ sales. Per my discussion VZ will not be carrying the I phone. ATT is still the only company. Pete -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Wanger Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:29 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone Scott, In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be on the Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of what you are saying. Apple and at&t have an exclusive contract. The length of this contract isn't really clear and, in light of some things said yesterday, I am thinking that Apple might look to make some changes at the end of the deal. But, its very well known that these two companies have an exclusive deal in the United States. On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > > It does work, will work, and blind people will have no problems using > the iPhone. I know for fact this is the case and I have gotten > Confirmation from a source. Point is, like anything, there may be a > learning curve, but it will work and it will be up to you to determine > if it fits your needs. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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I've never heard of such restrictions on the iPhone. Apple had restricted GPS functionality on the previous versions of the iPhone but those have been lifted. The company that showed their application yesterday was TomTom. I suspect this application is geared to drivers and not people like you and I who are walking. On Jun 9, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Brent Harding wrote: > > I thought I heard that GPS like we need will never be a possibility > with the > maps program it comes with. I thought Apple is contractually > obligated to > stop short of turn by turn directions and not approve apps that do it. > > - Original Message - > From: "Larry Wanger" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 7:44 AM > Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone > > >> >> And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main >> drivers >> behind your decision aren't what's accessible to you in the phone >> market, its what phone offers you what you need. And that my friend >> is >> what this is all about. You have another choice. >> >> Just as an FYI, you don't need iTunes once you get this set up. You >> need iTunes to get speech and other accessibility functions working >> on >> the phone for sure. But, after that, all bets are off. I know for a >> fact that there are 3rd party products out there that can allow you >> to >> sync your iPhone without ever using iTunes. In fact, I use one of >> those 3rd party products to sync up my Samsung right now. So, iTunes >> is not required. >> >> A BRF/Daisey reader, in due time I suspect. I'm sure that will >> happen. >> Like anything else, a developer just needs to step forward and do it. >> >> GPS solution for the blind? Who says that MobileGeo couldn't be >> written for the OS/phone platform? And, like the Windows based >> phones, >> I'm sure that through blue tooth you could use an independent GPS >> receiver as most of us do now. >> >> It is interesting that they don't mention Braille and I wonder about >> that feature as well. I don't use it but could see that being of >> value. So, maybe its in the works. >> >> However, nothing you've thrown out here seems impossible and, just >> like everyone else, you have a choice about what platform and phone >> you use. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started >>> pouring >>> and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of >>> coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some >>> anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour >>> the >>> second one... >>> >>> OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket >>> licence in >>> the trash any time soon. >>> >>> First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man. >>> An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in >>> exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So forget >>> it for the time being at least. >>> >>> So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read anything >>> about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to >>> have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on >>> ocasion. So it's really exciting to see the support coming along. >>> I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for half >>> an >>> hour. But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps >>> system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these >>> features are tested and true. >>> >>> So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do >>> get... ITunes. You need ITunes to sync your calendar and >>> contacts? ...seriously? What happened to ISync? Forget it. I >>> can't >>> wait to get rid of my IPod, because the software I tried to replace >>> ITunes for syncing my music doesn't work and I'm sick of the whole >>> mess. Why would I want to buy another device that forces me to >>> ITunes >>> to sync my calendar and contacts? No thank you. ITunes is getting >>> the old command option delete as soon as this IPod is gone. Not >>> that >>> I have anything against the I
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Scott, In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be on the Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of what you are saying. Apple and at&t have an exclusive contract. The length of this contract isn't really clear and, in light of some things said yesterday, I am thinking that Apple might look to make some changes at the end of the deal. But, its very well known that these two companies have an exclusive deal in the United States. On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > > It does work, will work, and blind people will have no problems using > the iPhone. I know for fact this is the case and I have gotten > Confirmation from a source. Point is, like anything, there may be a > learning curve, but it will work and it will be up to you to determine > if it fits your needs. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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To throw some more fuel on this discussion, Apple tends to be a company that plans ahead and has a road map in terms of where it is going. Wouldn't you think that they knew that over time they anticipated adding voice over to the iPhone? And, we know that VO was on the Mac for a few years previous to it going to the iPhone. It would seem that as they helped developers design applications that they have been giving them the tools to make them accessible? So, what I'm really saying is that yesterday might not have been the first time that developers heard about VO on the iPhone. Or, its possible that they've just been developing applications following design specifications from Apple that will enable us to have good access to a lot of the applications. Not sure, just thinking. I'm thinking that games and some of the other very graphical applications won't work for us but many are very text rich and that could work. Also, I know there is a Kendle application and I wonder if we can get access to those books? On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:03 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > > I might be wrong, but Mac OS X has been around for quite a long time > now, and it is possible to create Mac compatible apps without using > the Cocoa framework. This is were I might really be wrong, but from > what I heard yesterday from the WWDC keynote, and from what I've read, > developers who make iPhone apps can only use a series of tools > provided by Apple, with some 1000 API's, to create their software. So > in such a restricted environment (that is, if I'm still not really > wrong) shouldn't most apps just work with VO? > > Ignasi > On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: > >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> HI, >>> >>> YOU ARE MISSING THE FEATURE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO FIX APPLICATIONS THAT >>> ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE. >> >> ...Which I only saw mention of in the OS X section, not in the iPhone >> section. Not to say it won't be possible. And this feature likely >> won't fix apps that simply expose nothing (or very little) to VO in >> the first place. >> >> All that said, my understanding is that iPhone apps, like most modern >> OS X apps, use a common set of development tools and standard >> controls. This should mean that most will be at least somewhat >> accessible from the start. No? >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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For me, that's why I'd want to add Mobile Geo versus getting the trekker breeze for the same price. I played around with a friend's breeze once, but I just don't have people to take it around and program up places I might consider going if I knew what the route it makes might be like. - Original Message - From: "Scott Howell" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 8:12 AM Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone > > Yeah and it wouldn't cost $895, which quite frankly is a bit expensive > in my opinion. And no, I'm not bashing anyone or Code Factory etc. I > see the benefits of the software and for some $895 is well worth every > dime and I can't argue that point. My hope is that maybe other options > will become available that will be a little less expensive, that's all. > On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: > >> >> And what about that gps application that was demonstrated as part of >> the WWDC keynote. All the developer of that would have to do is make >> that accessible with VO on the iPhone? I'm assuming? >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:44 AM, Larry Wanger wrote: >> >>> >>> And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main >>> drivers >>> behind your decision aren't what's accessible to you in the phone >>> market, its what phone offers you what you need. And that my friend >>> is >>> what this is all about. You have another choice. >>> >>> Just as an FYI, you don't need iTunes once you get this set up. You >>> need iTunes to get speech and other accessibility functions working >>> on >>> the phone for sure. But, after that, all bets are off. I know for a >>> fact that there are 3rd party products out there that can allow you >>> to >>> sync your iPhone without ever using iTunes. In fact, I use one of >>> those 3rd party products to sync up my Samsung right now. So, iTunes >>> is not required. >>> >>> A BRF/Daisey reader, in due time I suspect. I'm sure that will >>> happen. >>> Like anything else, a developer just needs to step forward and do it. >>> >>> GPS solution for the blind? Who says that MobileGeo couldn't be >>> written for the OS/phone platform? And, like the Windows based >>> phones, >>> I'm sure that through blue tooth you could use an independent GPS >>> receiver as most of us do now. >>> >>> It is interesting that they don't mention Braille and I wonder about >>> that feature as well. I don't use it but could see that being of >>> value. So, maybe its in the works. >>> >>> However, nothing you've thrown out here seems impossible and, just >>> like everyone else, you have a choice about what platform and phone >>> you use. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started >>>> pouring >>>> and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of >>>> coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some >>>> anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour >>>> the >>>> second one... >>>> >>>> OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket licence >>>> in >>>> the trash any time soon. >>>> >>>> First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man. >>>> An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in >>>> exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So forget >>>> it for the time being at least. >>>> >>>> So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read anything >>>> about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to >>>> have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on >>>> ocasion. So it's really exciting to see the support coming along. >>>> I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for half >>>> an >>>> hour. But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps >>>> system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these >>>> features are tested and true. >>>> >>>> So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do
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Oy. Go listen to the WWDC keynote already. On Jun 9, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Brent Harding wrote: > > What, there's a feature in OSX to run an app I download through to > fix most > of the accessibility issues? I wish that effects panel in Audio > Hijack Pro > could be fixed so I could record podcasts using both the mic and VO > without > having to resort to time compression/expansion to make both files > the same > length and then mix it down into one later. > > - Original Message - > From: "Buddy Brannan" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:54 AM > Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone > > >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> HI, >>> >>> YOU ARE MISSING THE FEATURE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO FIX APPLICATIONS THAT >>> ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE. >> >> ...Which I only saw mention of in the OS X section, not in the iPhone >> section. Not to say it won't be possible. And this feature likely >> won't fix apps that simply expose nothing (or very little) to VO in >> the first place. >> >> All that said, my understanding is that iPhone apps, like most modern >> OS X apps, use a common set of development tools and standard >> controls. This should mean that most will be at least somewhat >> accessible from the start. No? >> >> >>> >> > > > > -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 746-4127 or 888-75-BUDDY Create your own economic stimulus package: http://www.powermall.info --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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What, there's a feature in OSX to run an app I download through to fix most of the accessibility issues? I wish that effects panel in Audio Hijack Pro could be fixed so I could record podcasts using both the mic and VO without having to resort to time compression/expansion to make both files the same length and then mix it down into one later. - Original Message - From: "Buddy Brannan" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:54 AM Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone > > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> HI, >> >> YOU ARE MISSING THE FEATURE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO FIX APPLICATIONS THAT >> ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE. > > ...Which I only saw mention of in the OS X section, not in the iPhone > section. Not to say it won't be possible. And this feature likely > won't fix apps that simply expose nothing (or very little) to VO in > the first place. > > All that said, my understanding is that iPhone apps, like most modern > OS X apps, use a common set of development tools and standard > controls. This should mean that most will be at least somewhat > accessible from the start. No? > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Oh, I remember hearing that on Leo Laporte's show that because of the maps they used that it wasn't allowed for Google to do it and that Apple didn't approve Tom Tom because of it. Maybe they finally got over that, or that could've been something in the early days. - Original Message - From: "Buddy Brannan" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:44 PM Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone > > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 7:38 PM, Brent Harding wrote: > >> >> I thought I heard that GPS like we need will never be a possibility >> with the >> maps program it comes with. I thought Apple is contractually >> obligated to >> stop short of turn by turn directions and not approve apps that do it. > > Dunno where you heard that, but they introduced just such a beast from > Tomtom at WWDC. > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Hi everyone, I hope all is well. Just thought I would come in with my side of what all this is about. I think the idea of apple providing a mobile solution for the blind is wonderful. It just provides another choice for those with mobile accessibility needs. Choice is really what it is all about, in my opinion that is. what may sway people away from getting an iPhone is the fact that the iPhone, like the Blackbery, has it's own data plan. This isn't a deal breaker, but some may be comfortable with their current data plan,, while others may want to pay the more expensive or less expensive cost, depending on your needs of course. I like that it is coming around, and I certainly would like to try one out for myself. Will I switch to an iPhone, probably not anytime soon. My first priority is Snow Leopard, and then some side projects I have in mind as well. If I am able to try it however, I will be sure to post my findings, and what I think about it. Ultimately, the fact that the choice is provided, just makes the mobile world more accessible to the blind. Perhaps it will not be accessible with all applications, but the idea that it is accessible now, just provides more room for growth in the future. I believe the fact that accessible means coming out left and right, just pushes the growth of accessibility to better heights. Take care all. Best, Fonzie On Jun 9, 2009, at 6:38 PM, Brent Harding wrote: > > I thought I heard that GPS like we need will never be a possibility > with the > maps program it comes with. I thought Apple is contractually > obligated to > stop short of turn by turn directions and not approve apps that do it. > > - Original Message - > From: "Larry Wanger" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 7:44 AM > Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone > > >> >> And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main >> drivers >> behind your decision aren't what's accessible to you in the phone >> market, its what phone offers you what you need. And that my friend >> is >> what this is all about. You have another choice. >> >> Just as an FYI, you don't need iTunes once you get this set up. You >> need iTunes to get speech and other accessibility functions working >> on >> the phone for sure. But, after that, all bets are off. I know for a >> fact that there are 3rd party products out there that can allow you >> to >> sync your iPhone without ever using iTunes. In fact, I use one of >> those 3rd party products to sync up my Samsung right now. So, iTunes >> is not required. >> >> A BRF/Daisey reader, in due time I suspect. I'm sure that will >> happen. >> Like anything else, a developer just needs to step forward and do it. >> >> GPS solution for the blind? Who says that MobileGeo couldn't be >> written for the OS/phone platform? And, like the Windows based >> phones, >> I'm sure that through blue tooth you could use an independent GPS >> receiver as most of us do now. >> >> It is interesting that they don't mention Braille and I wonder about >> that feature as well. I don't use it but could see that being of >> value. So, maybe its in the works. >> >> However, nothing you've thrown out here seems impossible and, just >> like everyone else, you have a choice about what platform and phone >> you use. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started >>> pouring >>> and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of >>> coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some >>> anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour >>> the >>> second one... >>> >>> OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket >>> licence in >>> the trash any time soon. >>> >>> First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man. >>> An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in >>> exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So forget >>> it for the time being at least. >>> >>> So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read anything >>> about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to >>> have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on >>> ocasion. So it's really exciting to see
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On Jun 9, 2009, at 7:38 PM, Brent Harding wrote: > > I thought I heard that GPS like we need will never be a possibility > with the > maps program it comes with. I thought Apple is contractually > obligated to > stop short of turn by turn directions and not approve apps that do it. Dunno where you heard that, but they introduced just such a beast from Tomtom at WWDC. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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I thought I heard that GPS like we need will never be a possibility with the maps program it comes with. I thought Apple is contractually obligated to stop short of turn by turn directions and not approve apps that do it. - Original Message - From: "Larry Wanger" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 7:44 AM Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone > > And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main drivers > behind your decision aren't what's accessible to you in the phone > market, its what phone offers you what you need. And that my friend is > what this is all about. You have another choice. > > Just as an FYI, you don't need iTunes once you get this set up. You > need iTunes to get speech and other accessibility functions working on > the phone for sure. But, after that, all bets are off. I know for a > fact that there are 3rd party products out there that can allow you to > sync your iPhone without ever using iTunes. In fact, I use one of > those 3rd party products to sync up my Samsung right now. So, iTunes > is not required. > > A BRF/Daisey reader, in due time I suspect. I'm sure that will happen. > Like anything else, a developer just needs to step forward and do it. > > GPS solution for the blind? Who says that MobileGeo couldn't be > written for the OS/phone platform? And, like the Windows based phones, > I'm sure that through blue tooth you could use an independent GPS > receiver as most of us do now. > > It is interesting that they don't mention Braille and I wonder about > that feature as well. I don't use it but could see that being of > value. So, maybe its in the works. > > However, nothing you've thrown out here seems impossible and, just > like everyone else, you have a choice about what platform and phone > you use. > > > > > > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > >> >> Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started pouring >> and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of >> coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some >> anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour the >> second one... >> >> OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket licence in >> the trash any time soon. >> >> First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man. >> An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in >> exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So forget >> it for the time being at least. >> >> So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read anything >> about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to >> have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on >> ocasion. So it's really exciting to see the support coming along. >> I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for half an >> hour. But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps >> system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these >> features are tested and true. >> >> So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do >> get... ITunes. You need ITunes to sync your calendar and >> contacts? ...seriously? What happened to ISync? Forget it. I can't >> wait to get rid of my IPod, because the software I tried to replace >> ITunes for syncing my music doesn't work and I'm sick of the whole >> mess. Why would I want to buy another device that forces me to ITunes >> to sync my calendar and contacts? No thank you. ITunes is getting >> the old command option delete as soon as this IPod is gone. Not that >> I have anything against the IPod. It's a beautiful machine. My only >> problems with it are that it dumps my library every time the battery >> dies, and ITunes crashes whenever it tries to sync. Oh, and ITunes >> doesn't update my library properly, and it won't let me change the >> settings for ripping/encoding cd's, and it corupts my library every >> three months or so and makes me start all over again, and it fills my >> screen with all kinds of clutter I don't need, and Oh yeh, I generally >> hate being forced into using software that I don't like... Fwew! >> >> So basicly I'll wait till I can have the functionality that I have on >> my I-Paq, especially gps navigation, braille support, and copy and >> paste file transfers. >> >> Another thing the IPhone didn't have previously which I hope they&#x
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I'm a conservative grumpy old man, and I just bought a talks enabled phone. I'm glad that apple is doing something about this but won't even consider an iphone product until such time as it's time to trade in or if my phone stops providing services I really need. I'm glad to know however that when it is time to shop that the choices are broadening. Cheers, Kaare. On 9-Jun-09, at 10:55 AM, Michael Reiser wrote: > > Definitely excited. Voiceover rocks on this mac and I'm sure it'll > rock on the iphone. I'll definitely be looking forward to tutorials > on it and podcasts. Also looking forward to snow lepard. > > Mike > On Jun 9, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Jessi and Goldina wrote: > >> >> yeah I know. exactly. although the e71 is pretty sleak too. I'm >> really >> curious to see how the touch screen will work! that's another reason >> why I want it. I'm a cutting edge kinda girl lol. I wanna be one of >> the first blind people to pull out my iphone and use a touch screen >> device!!! it'll be one of those "how do they do it?" moments lol. I'm >> just so excited about where this is going! I wanna jump in! >> but I do love my e71 and I just got it in january with a talks >> upgrade!! so I dunno how I'd get an IPhone. although I'm on the right >> carrier that has them, so hmmm. >> On 9-Jun-09, at 1:00 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >> >>> >>> I know exactly what you mean (smiles) >>> I want the sleekness and I could probably get used to the touch, but >>> really, if you disregard the touch screen I really don't see many >>> advantages that would justifie me spending that amount of money. >>> But it is a i phone. >>> >>> On 09/06/2009, Jessi and Goldina wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm in the same position. I love my e71 to death!!! it's a great >>>> phone!!! but an IPhone!!! just the thought of it is like wow! >>>> On 8-Jun-09, at 4:37 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I can't diside if I should get one or not. >>>>> The idea of knowing where abouts things are on the screen is a >>>>> good >>>>> one - i've missed being able to know that since i've lost my site. >>>>> However, I really don't see the advantage of a iphone over my e71. >>>>> >>>>> On 09/06/2009, glenn wrote: >>>>>> Hello >>>>>> Does anyone know of any demonstration videos showing the addition >>>>>> of >>>>>> Voiceover? >>>>>> Any word whether Voiceover will be available for the ipod touch? >>>>>> >>>>>> Glenn >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: Josh de Lioncourt >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll >>>>>> have to >>>>>> get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just >>>>>> tremendous. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I >>>>>> absoltuely >>>>>> cannot >>>>>> wait. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh de Lioncourt >>>>>> …my other mail provider is an owl… >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >>>>>> Music: http://stage19music.com >>>>>> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >>>>>> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >>>>>> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Read. >>>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kind regards, BEN. >>>>> >>>>> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >>>>> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >>>>> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kind regards, BEN. >>> >>> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >>> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >>> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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It does work, will work, and blind people will have no problems using the iPhone. I know for fact this is the case and I have gotten confirmation from a source. Point is, like anything, there may be a learning curve, but it will work and it will be up to you to determine if it fits your needs. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Go to www.lioncourt.com and you will find it. There is an article about it on the home page, with links to the Apple website. I On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Jed Barton wrote: > do you have the link for that page? > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of Ignasi Cambra > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:33 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone > > Read the iPhone page on the apple accessibility website. It will > answer your questions. > On Jun 9, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton wrote: > >> does anyone have the info on the official release notes for it? >> Does it work currently, and i would guess it would come with the >> iphone? >> Also, how would someone work the keyboard since it has a touch >> screen. >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> ] On Behalf Of glenn >> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 7:28 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone >> >> Hello >> Does anyone know of any demonstration videos showing the addition >> of Voiceover? >> Any word whether Voiceover will be available for the ipod touch? >> >> Glenn >> - Original Message ----- >> From: Josh de Lioncourt >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone >> >> >> I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll >> have to get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just >> tremendous. >> >> The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I absoltuely >> cannot wait. >> >> >> >> Josh de Lioncourt >> …my other mail provider is an owl… >> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >> Music: http://stage19music.com >> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >> >> On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >> >>> >>> Read. >>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Read the iPhone page on the apple accessibility website. It will answer your questions. On Jun 9, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton wrote: > does anyone have the info on the official release notes for it? > Does it work currently, and i would guess it would come with the > iphone? > Also, how would someone work the keyboard since it has a touch screen. > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of glenn > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 7:28 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone > > Hello > Does anyone know of any demonstration videos showing the addition of > Voiceover? > Any word whether Voiceover will be available for the ipod touch? > > Glenn > - Original Message - > From: Josh de Lioncourt > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone > > > I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll have > to get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just > tremendous. > > The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I absoltuely > cannot wait. > > > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > >> >> Read. >> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html >> >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Jed Barton wrote: > do you have the link for that page? It's only been posted a zillion times. This maks a zillion and one, I guess: http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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do you have the link for that page? _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ignasi Cambra Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:33 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone Read the iPhone page on the apple accessibility website. It will answer your questions. On Jun 9, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton wrote: does anyone have the info on the official release notes for it? Does it work currently, and i would guess it would come with the iphone? Also, how would someone work the keyboard since it has a touch screen. _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of glenn Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 7:28 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone Hello Does anyone know of any demonstration videos showing the addition of Voiceover? Any word whether Voiceover will be available for the ipod touch? Glenn - Original Message - From: Josh de Lioncourt <mailto:overl...@lioncourt.com> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll have to get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just tremendous. The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I absoltuely cannot wait. Josh de Lioncourt .my other mail provider is an owl. Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: Read. http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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does anyone have the info on the official release notes for it? Does it work currently, and i would guess it would come with the iphone? Also, how would someone work the keyboard since it has a touch screen. _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of glenn Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 7:28 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone Hello Does anyone know of any demonstration videos showing the addition of Voiceover? Any word whether Voiceover will be available for the ipod touch? Glenn - Original Message - From: Josh de <mailto:overl...@lioncourt.com> Lioncourt To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll have to get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just tremendous. The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I absoltuely cannot wait. Josh de Lioncourt .my other mail provider is an owl. Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: Read. http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Well I've heard it would be supported, but the question is when. Guess I need to call Verizon Wireless. I'm actually do for an upgrade and so I might just have to get one as soon as it is available. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Yeah and it wouldn't cost $895, which quite frankly is a bit expensive in my opinion. And no, I'm not bashing anyone or Code Factory etc. I see the benefits of the software and for some $895 is well worth every dime and I can't argue that point. My hope is that maybe other options will become available that will be a little less expensive, that's all. On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: > > And what about that gps application that was demonstrated as part of > the WWDC keynote. All the developer of that would have to do is make > that accessible with VO on the iPhone? I'm assuming? > On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:44 AM, Larry Wanger wrote: > >> >> And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main >> drivers >> behind your decision aren't what's accessible to you in the phone >> market, its what phone offers you what you need. And that my friend >> is >> what this is all about. You have another choice. >> >> Just as an FYI, you don't need iTunes once you get this set up. You >> need iTunes to get speech and other accessibility functions working >> on >> the phone for sure. But, after that, all bets are off. I know for a >> fact that there are 3rd party products out there that can allow you >> to >> sync your iPhone without ever using iTunes. In fact, I use one of >> those 3rd party products to sync up my Samsung right now. So, iTunes >> is not required. >> >> A BRF/Daisey reader, in due time I suspect. I'm sure that will >> happen. >> Like anything else, a developer just needs to step forward and do it. >> >> GPS solution for the blind? Who says that MobileGeo couldn't be >> written for the OS/phone platform? And, like the Windows based >> phones, >> I'm sure that through blue tooth you could use an independent GPS >> receiver as most of us do now. >> >> It is interesting that they don't mention Braille and I wonder about >> that feature as well. I don't use it but could see that being of >> value. So, maybe its in the works. >> >> However, nothing you've thrown out here seems impossible and, just >> like everyone else, you have a choice about what platform and phone >> you use. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started >>> pouring >>> and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of >>> coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some >>> anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour >>> the >>> second one... >>> >>> OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket licence >>> in >>> the trash any time soon. >>> >>> First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man. >>> An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in >>> exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So forget >>> it for the time being at least. >>> >>> So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read anything >>> about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to >>> have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on >>> ocasion. So it's really exciting to see the support coming along. >>> I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for half >>> an >>> hour. But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps >>> system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these >>> features are tested and true. >>> >>> So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do >>> get... ITunes. You need ITunes to sync your calendar and >>> contacts? ...seriously? What happened to ISync? Forget it. I >>> can't >>> wait to get rid of my IPod, because the software I tried to replace >>> ITunes for syncing my music doesn't work and I'm sick of the whole >>> mess. Why would I want to buy another device that forces me to >>> ITunes >>> to sync my calendar and contacts? No thank you. ITunes is getting >>> the old command option delete as soon as this IPod is gone. Not >>> that >>> I have anything against the IPod. It's a beautiful machine. My only >>> problems with it are that it dumps my library every time the battery >>> dies, and ITunes crashes whenever it tries to sync. Oh, and ITunes >>> doesn't update my library properly, and it won't let me change the >>> settings for ripping/encoding cd's, and it corupts my library every >>> three months or so and makes me start all over again, and it fills >>> my >>> screen with all kinds of clutter I don't need, and Oh yeh, I >>> generally >>> hate being forced into using software that I don't like... Fwew! >>> >>> So basicly I'll wait till I can have the functionality that I have >>> on >>> my I-Paq, especially gps navigation, braille support, and copy and >>> paste file transfers. >>> >>> Another thing the IPhone didn't have previously which I hope they've >>> fixed now is cdma support. It's got to have cdma support to be >>> really >>> viable here
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I might be wrong, but Mac OS X has been around for quite a long time now, and it is possible to create Mac compatible apps without using the Cocoa framework. This is were I might really be wrong, but from what I heard yesterday from the WWDC keynote, and from what I've read, developers who make iPhone apps can only use a series of tools provided by Apple, with some 1000 API's, to create their software. So in such a restricted environment (that is, if I'm still not really wrong) shouldn't most apps just work with VO? Ignasi On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: > > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> HI, >> >> YOU ARE MISSING THE FEATURE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO FIX APPLICATIONS THAT >> ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE. > > ...Which I only saw mention of in the OS X section, not in the iPhone > section. Not to say it won't be possible. And this feature likely > won't fix apps that simply expose nothing (or very little) to VO in > the first place. > > All that said, my understanding is that iPhone apps, like most modern > OS X apps, use a common set of development tools and standard > controls. This should mean that most will be at least somewhat > accessible from the start. No? > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Yeah, it's funny how Apple employees are always so willing to learn about VO. None of the ones I've talked to at the store knew how VoiceOver works, and some of them thought that it wasn't really usable by an actual blind person, yet. Just as a joke, after talking to one of them, I turned on VO on an iMac 24 after he left, and opened the Microsoft website, right in the middle of the Apple store, full screen. He came back laughing and closed Safari. You guys should try this sometime... On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Eliza Cooper wrote: > > Jessi and list, > I'm totally in the same boat as far as wanting to be one of the > first. I never have been the first on the band wagon, but man would > it be cool! I have been frequenting the Apple store here in Manhattan > enough so that the employees are starting to recognize me, so besides > convincing them that VoiceOver DOES work, it would be great to spend > some time with an iPhone there and tell them what I think. > Eliza > > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Jessi and Goldina wrote: > >> >> yeah I know. exactly. although the e71 is pretty sleak too. I'm >> really >> curious to see how the touch screen will work! that's another reason >> why I want it. I'm a cutting edge kinda girl lol. I wanna be one of >> the first blind people to pull out my iphone and use a touch screen >> device!!! it'll be one of those "how do they do it?" moments lol. I'm >> just so excited about where this is going! I wanna jump in! >> but I do love my e71 and I just got it in january with a talks >> upgrade!! so I dunno how I'd get an IPhone. although I'm on the right >> carrier that has them, so hmmm. >> On 9-Jun-09, at 1:00 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >> >>> >>> I know exactly what you mean (smiles) >>> I want the sleekness and I could probably get used to the touch, but >>> really, if you disregard the touch screen I really don't see many >>> advantages that would justifie me spending that amount of money. >>> But it is a i phone. >>> >>> On 09/06/2009, Jessi and Goldina wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm in the same position. I love my e71 to death!!! it's a great >>>> phone!!! but an IPhone!!! just the thought of it is like wow! >>>> On 8-Jun-09, at 4:37 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I can't diside if I should get one or not. >>>>> The idea of knowing where abouts things are on the screen is a >>>>> good >>>>> one - i've missed being able to know that since i've lost my site. >>>>> However, I really don't see the advantage of a iphone over my e71. >>>>> >>>>> On 09/06/2009, glenn wrote: >>>>>> Hello >>>>>> Does anyone know of any demonstration videos showing the addition >>>>>> of >>>>>> Voiceover? >>>>>> Any word whether Voiceover will be available for the ipod touch? >>>>>> >>>>>> Glenn >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: Josh de Lioncourt >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll >>>>>> have to >>>>>> get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just >>>>>> tremendous. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I >>>>>> absoltuely >>>>>> cannot >>>>>> wait. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh de Lioncourt >>>>>> …my other mail provider is an owl… >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >>>>>> Music: http://stage19music.com >>>>>> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >>>>>> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >>>>>> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Read. >>>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kind regards, BEN. >>>>> >>>>> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >>>>> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >>>>> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kind regards, BEN. >>> >>> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >>> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >>> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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It's going to take early adopters to make it better, so I guess we should thank those that rush out and get one smiles. Mike On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:00 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > > Hi Larry, I don't think any of it is impossible. I'd be really > surprized if it wasn't in the works somewhere already actually. It's > going to take really firm development on it to get me to switch. > Besides, I read oh, 20/30 messages this morning from wow'm zow'm > enthusiasts who were going to rush right out and buy one. Some one > had to step up and say, "Woe... Hold the phone a minute". > > Best, > erik burggraaf > A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. > Phone: 888-255-5194 > Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com > > On 9-Jun-09, at 8:44 AM, Larry Wanger wrote: > >> >> And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main >> drivers >> behind your decision aren't what's accessible to you in the phone >> market, its what phone offers you what you need. And that my friend >> is >> what this is all about. You have another choice. >> >> Just as an FYI, you don't need iTunes once you get this set up. You >> need iTunes to get speech and other accessibility functions working >> on >> the phone for sure. But, after that, all bets are off. I know for a >> fact that there are 3rd party products out there that can allow you >> to >> sync your iPhone without ever using iTunes. In fact, I use one of >> those 3rd party products to sync up my Samsung right now. So, iTunes >> is not required. >> >> A BRF/Daisey reader, in due time I suspect. I'm sure that will >> happen. >> Like anything else, a developer just needs to step forward and do it. >> >> GPS solution for the blind? Who says that MobileGeo couldn't be >> written for the OS/phone platform? And, like the Windows based >> phones, >> I'm sure that through blue tooth you could use an independent GPS >> receiver as most of us do now. >> >> It is interesting that they don't mention Braille and I wonder about >> that feature as well. I don't use it but could see that being of >> value. So, maybe its in the works. >> >> However, nothing you've thrown out here seems impossible and, just >> like everyone else, you have a choice about what platform and phone >> you use. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started >>> pouring >>> and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of >>> coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some >>> anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour >>> the >>> second one... >>> >>> OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket licence >>> in >>> the trash any time soon. >>> >>> First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man. >>> An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in >>> exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So forget >>> it for the time being at least. >>> >>> So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read anything >>> about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to >>> have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on >>> ocasion. So it's really exciting to see the support coming along. >>> I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for half >>> an >>> hour. But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps >>> system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these >>> features are tested and true. >>> >>> So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do >>> get... ITunes. You need ITunes to sync your calendar and >>> contacts? ...seriously? What happened to ISync? Forget it. I >>> can't >>> wait to get rid of my IPod, because the software I tried to replace >>> ITunes for syncing my music doesn't work and I'm sick of the whole >>> mess. Why would I want to buy another device that forces me to >>> ITunes >>> to sync my calendar and contacts? No thank you. ITunes is getting >>> the old command option delete as soon as this IPod is gone. Not >>> that >>> I have anything against the IPod. It's a beautiful machine. My only >>> problems with it are that it dumps my library every time the battery >>> dies, and ITunes crashes whenever it tries to sync. Oh, and ITunes >>> doesn't update my library properly, and it won't let me change the >>> settings for ripping/encoding cd's, and it corupts my library every >>> three months or so and makes me start all over again, and it fills >>> my >>> screen with all kinds of clutter I don't need, and Oh yeh, I >>> generally >>> hate being forced into using software that I don't like... Fwew! >>> >>> So basicly I'll wait till I can have the functionality that I have >>> on >>> my I-Paq, especially gps navigation, braille support, and copy and >>> paste file transfers. >>> >>> Another thing the IPhone didn't have previously which I h
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Definitely excited. Voiceover rocks on this mac and I'm sure it'll rock on the iphone. I'll definitely be looking forward to tutorials on it and podcasts. Also looking forward to snow lepard. Mike On Jun 9, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Jessi and Goldina wrote: > > yeah I know. exactly. although the e71 is pretty sleak too. I'm really > curious to see how the touch screen will work! that's another reason > why I want it. I'm a cutting edge kinda girl lol. I wanna be one of > the first blind people to pull out my iphone and use a touch screen > device!!! it'll be one of those "how do they do it?" moments lol. I'm > just so excited about where this is going! I wanna jump in! > but I do love my e71 and I just got it in january with a talks > upgrade!! so I dunno how I'd get an IPhone. although I'm on the right > carrier that has them, so hmmm. > On 9-Jun-09, at 1:00 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > >> >> I know exactly what you mean (smiles) >> I want the sleekness and I could probably get used to the touch, but >> really, if you disregard the touch screen I really don't see many >> advantages that would justifie me spending that amount of money. >> But it is a i phone. >> >> On 09/06/2009, Jessi and Goldina wrote: >>> >>> I'm in the same position. I love my e71 to death!!! it's a great >>> phone!!! but an IPhone!!! just the thought of it is like wow! >>> On 8-Jun-09, at 4:37 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I can't diside if I should get one or not. >>>> The idea of knowing where abouts things are on the screen is a good >>>> one - i've missed being able to know that since i've lost my site. >>>> However, I really don't see the advantage of a iphone over my e71. >>>> >>>> On 09/06/2009, glenn wrote: >>>>> Hello >>>>> Does anyone know of any demonstration videos showing the addition >>>>> of >>>>> Voiceover? >>>>> Any word whether Voiceover will be available for the ipod touch? >>>>> >>>>> Glenn >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: Josh de Lioncourt >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll >>>>> have to >>>>> get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just >>>>> tremendous. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I absoltuely >>>>> cannot >>>>> wait. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Josh de Lioncourt >>>>> …my other mail provider is an owl… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >>>>> Music: http://stage19music.com >>>>> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >>>>> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >>>>> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read. >>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kind regards, BEN. >>>> >>>> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >>>> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >>>> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kind regards, BEN. >> >> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > HI, > > YOU ARE MISSING THE FEATURE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO FIX APPLICATIONS THAT > ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE. ...Which I only saw mention of in the OS X section, not in the iPhone section. Not to say it won't be possible. And this feature likely won't fix apps that simply expose nothing (or very little) to VO in the first place. All that said, my understanding is that iPhone apps, like most modern OS X apps, use a common set of development tools and standard controls. This should mean that most will be at least somewhat accessible from the start. No? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Michael Reiser wrote: > > The new iphone will be supported on varizon, which is cdma. I've seen you post this assertion twice, but I've seen it announced nowhere except in the rumor mill. Care to give some corroborating links on this? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Jessi and list, I'm totally in the same boat as far as wanting to be one of the first. I never have been the first on the band wagon, but man would it be cool! I have been frequenting the Apple store here in Manhattan enough so that the employees are starting to recognize me, so besides convincing them that VoiceOver DOES work, it would be great to spend some time with an iPhone there and tell them what I think. Eliza On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Jessi and Goldina wrote: > > yeah I know. exactly. although the e71 is pretty sleak too. I'm really > curious to see how the touch screen will work! that's another reason > why I want it. I'm a cutting edge kinda girl lol. I wanna be one of > the first blind people to pull out my iphone and use a touch screen > device!!! it'll be one of those "how do they do it?" moments lol. I'm > just so excited about where this is going! I wanna jump in! > but I do love my e71 and I just got it in january with a talks > upgrade!! so I dunno how I'd get an IPhone. although I'm on the right > carrier that has them, so hmmm. > On 9-Jun-09, at 1:00 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > >> >> I know exactly what you mean (smiles) >> I want the sleekness and I could probably get used to the touch, but >> really, if you disregard the touch screen I really don't see many >> advantages that would justifie me spending that amount of money. >> But it is a i phone. >> >> On 09/06/2009, Jessi and Goldina wrote: >>> >>> I'm in the same position. I love my e71 to death!!! it's a great >>> phone!!! but an IPhone!!! just the thought of it is like wow! >>> On 8-Jun-09, at 4:37 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I can't diside if I should get one or not. >>>> The idea of knowing where abouts things are on the screen is a good >>>> one - i've missed being able to know that since i've lost my site. >>>> However, I really don't see the advantage of a iphone over my e71. >>>> >>>> On 09/06/2009, glenn wrote: >>>>> Hello >>>>> Does anyone know of any demonstration videos showing the addition >>>>> of >>>>> Voiceover? >>>>> Any word whether Voiceover will be available for the ipod touch? >>>>> >>>>> Glenn >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: Josh de Lioncourt >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll >>>>> have to >>>>> get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just >>>>> tremendous. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I absoltuely >>>>> cannot >>>>> wait. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Josh de Lioncourt >>>>> …my other mail provider is an owl… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >>>>> Music: http://stage19music.com >>>>> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >>>>> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >>>>> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read. >>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kind regards, BEN. >>>> >>>> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >>>> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >>>> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kind regards, BEN. >> >> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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HI, YOU ARE MISSING THE FEATURE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO FIX APPLICATIONS THAT ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE. REGARDS, ALEX, On 9-Jun-09, at 5:56 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > Assuming of course that the developer wants to. Essentially, you'll > end up with the exact same situation you have on every other platform > where a screenreader exists, its going to be down to the developers to > make there applications accessable. > To be honest, using a touch screen is nice, knowing where abouts > things are on the screen is nice, but it'll be the developers of the > third party apps that will diside if the i phone has a strong > following in the blind communitty or not. > > > On 09/06/2009, Dan Eickmeier wrote: >> >> And what about that gps application that was demonstrated as part of >> the WWDC keynote. All the developer of that would have to do is make >> that accessible with VO on the iPhone? I'm assuming? >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:44 AM, Larry Wanger wrote: >> >>> >>> And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main >>> drivers >>> behind your decision aren't what's accessible to you in the phone >>> market, its what phone offers you what you need. And that my >>> friend is >>> what this is all about. You have another choice. >>> >>> Just as an FYI, you don't need iTunes once you get this set up. You >>> need iTunes to get speech and other accessibility functions >>> working on >>> the phone for sure. But, after that, all bets are off. I know for a >>> fact that there are 3rd party products out there that can allow >>> you to >>> sync your iPhone without ever using iTunes. In fact, I use one of >>> those 3rd party products to sync up my Samsung right now. So, iTunes >>> is not required. >>> >>> A BRF/Daisey reader, in due time I suspect. I'm sure that will >>> happen. >>> Like anything else, a developer just needs to step forward and do >>> it. >>> >>> GPS solution for the blind? Who says that MobileGeo couldn't be >>> written for the OS/phone platform? And, like the Windows based >>> phones, >>> I'm sure that through blue tooth you could use an independent GPS >>> receiver as most of us do now. >>> >>> It is interesting that they don't mention Braille and I wonder about >>> that feature as well. I don't use it but could see that being of >>> value. So, maybe its in the works. >>> >>> However, nothing you've thrown out here seems impossible and, just >>> like everyone else, you have a choice about what platform and phone >>> you use. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: >>> Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started pouring and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour the second one... OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket licence in the trash any time soon. First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man. An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So forget it for the time being at least. So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read anything about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on ocasion. So it's really exciting to see the support coming along. I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for half an hour. But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these features are tested and true. So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do get... ITunes. You need ITunes to sync your calendar and contacts? ...seriously? What happened to ISync? Forget it. I can't wait to get rid of my IPod, because the software I tried to replace ITunes for syncing my music doesn't work and I'm sick of the whole mess. Why would I want to buy another device that forces me to ITunes to sync my calendar and contacts? No thank you. ITunes is getting the old command option delete as soon as this IPod is gone. Not that I have anything against the IPod. It's a beautiful machine. My only problems with it are that it dumps my library every time the battery dies, and ITunes crashes whenever it tries to sync. Oh, and ITunes doesn't update my library properly, and it won't let me change the settings for ripping/encoding cd's, and it corupts my library every three months or so and makes me start all over again, and it fills my screen with all kinds of clutter I don't need, and Oh yeh, I
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Hi Larry, I don't think any of it is impossible. I'd be really surprized if it wasn't in the works somewhere already actually. It's going to take really firm development on it to get me to switch. Besides, I read oh, 20/30 messages this morning from wow'm zow'm enthusiasts who were going to rush right out and buy one. Some one had to step up and say, "Woe... Hold the phone a minute". Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 9-Jun-09, at 8:44 AM, Larry Wanger wrote: > > And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main drivers > behind your decision aren't what's accessible to you in the phone > market, its what phone offers you what you need. And that my friend is > what this is all about. You have another choice. > > Just as an FYI, you don't need iTunes once you get this set up. You > need iTunes to get speech and other accessibility functions working on > the phone for sure. But, after that, all bets are off. I know for a > fact that there are 3rd party products out there that can allow you to > sync your iPhone without ever using iTunes. In fact, I use one of > those 3rd party products to sync up my Samsung right now. So, iTunes > is not required. > > A BRF/Daisey reader, in due time I suspect. I'm sure that will happen. > Like anything else, a developer just needs to step forward and do it. > > GPS solution for the blind? Who says that MobileGeo couldn't be > written for the OS/phone platform? And, like the Windows based phones, > I'm sure that through blue tooth you could use an independent GPS > receiver as most of us do now. > > It is interesting that they don't mention Braille and I wonder about > that feature as well. I don't use it but could see that being of > value. So, maybe its in the works. > > However, nothing you've thrown out here seems impossible and, just > like everyone else, you have a choice about what platform and phone > you use. > > > > > > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > >> >> Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started >> pouring >> and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of >> coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some >> anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour the >> second one... >> >> OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket licence >> in >> the trash any time soon. >> >> First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man. >> An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in >> exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So forget >> it for the time being at least. >> >> So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read anything >> about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to >> have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on >> ocasion. So it's really exciting to see the support coming along. >> I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for half an >> hour. But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps >> system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these >> features are tested and true. >> >> So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do >> get... ITunes. You need ITunes to sync your calendar and >> contacts? ...seriously? What happened to ISync? Forget it. I >> can't >> wait to get rid of my IPod, because the software I tried to replace >> ITunes for syncing my music doesn't work and I'm sick of the whole >> mess. Why would I want to buy another device that forces me to >> ITunes >> to sync my calendar and contacts? No thank you. ITunes is getting >> the old command option delete as soon as this IPod is gone. Not that >> I have anything against the IPod. It's a beautiful machine. My only >> problems with it are that it dumps my library every time the battery >> dies, and ITunes crashes whenever it tries to sync. Oh, and ITunes >> doesn't update my library properly, and it won't let me change the >> settings for ripping/encoding cd's, and it corupts my library every >> three months or so and makes me start all over again, and it fills my >> screen with all kinds of clutter I don't need, and Oh yeh, I >> generally >> hate being forced into using software that I don't like... Fwew! >> >> So basicly I'll wait till I can have the functionality that I have on >> my I-Paq, especially gps navigation, braille support, and copy and >> paste file transfers. >> >> Another thing the IPhone didn't have previously which I hope they've >> fixed now is cdma support. It's got to have cdma support to be really >> viable here where CDMA is king. I'm using gsm, and would be more ore >> less happy with it if my carrier didn't lie to me, price gouge me, >> and >> go behind my back at every turn. I am counting down the days left on >> my contract so I can c
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The same thing is about to happento our beloved Symbian. Of all the apps i've tried to install on my E66, some have workt partially but most have never worked at all, and now, even programs that come with the phone, such as Calendar and in some cases the mail app has stopped working and i wonder if the screen readers for symbian can or want to catch up. 'nough ranting. /Krister 9 jun 2009 kl. 15.57 skrev Ignasi Cambra: > > Well, and the same goes for Windows Mobile. I have tried apps for that > platform many times which aren't read by Mobile Speak at all. > On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:56 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > >> >> Assuming of course that the developer wants to. Essentially, you'll >> end up with the exact same situation you have on every other platform >> where a screenreader exists, its going to be down to the developers >> to >> make there applications accessable. >> To be honest, using a touch screen is nice, knowing where abouts >> things are on the screen is nice, but it'll be the developers of the >> third party apps that will diside if the i phone has a strong >> following in the blind communitty or not. >> >> >> On 09/06/2009, Dan Eickmeier wrote: >>> >>> And what about that gps application that was demonstrated as part of >>> the WWDC keynote. All the developer of that would have to do is >>> make >>> that accessible with VO on the iPhone? I'm assuming? >>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:44 AM, Larry Wanger wrote: >>> And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main drivers behind your decision aren't what's accessible to you in the phone market, its what phone offers you what you need. And that my friend is what this is all about. You have another choice. Just as an FYI, you don't need iTunes once you get this set up. You need iTunes to get speech and other accessibility functions working on the phone for sure. But, after that, all bets are off. I know for a fact that there are 3rd party products out there that can allow you to sync your iPhone without ever using iTunes. In fact, I use one of those 3rd party products to sync up my Samsung right now. So, iTunes is not required. A BRF/Daisey reader, in due time I suspect. I'm sure that will happen. Like anything else, a developer just needs to step forward and do it. GPS solution for the blind? Who says that MobileGeo couldn't be written for the OS/phone platform? And, like the Windows based phones, I'm sure that through blue tooth you could use an independent GPS receiver as most of us do now. It is interesting that they don't mention Braille and I wonder about that feature as well. I don't use it but could see that being of value. So, maybe its in the works. However, nothing you've thrown out here seems impossible and, just like everyone else, you have a choice about what platform and phone you use. On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > > Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started > pouring > and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of > coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some > anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour > the > second one... > > OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket > licence > in > the trash any time soon. > > First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind > man. > An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me > in > exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So > forget > it for the time being at least. > > So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read > anything > about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to > have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on > ocasion. So it's really exciting to see the support coming along. > I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for > half an > hour. But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a > gps > system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these > features are tested and true. > > So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do > get... ITunes. You need ITunes to sync your calendar and > contacts? ...seriously? What happened to ISync? Forget it. I > can't > wait to get rid of my IPod, because the software I tried to > replace > ITunes for syncing my music doesn't work and I'm sick of the whole > mess. Why would I want to buy another device that forces me to > ITunes > to sync my calendar and contacts? No thank you. ITunes is > getting >
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oh I know!!! it's amazing the mac may not be for everybody, but it is most certainly for me!! On 9-Jun-09, at 2:28 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > > 9 jun 2009 kl. 09.41 skrev Jessi and Goldina: > >> oh, such an exciting time to be a mac user! > > I couldn't agree more. I'm so glad i jumped on the Mac train when i > did. I can't believe what Apple is doing for us. > /Krister > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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yeah I know. exactly. although the e71 is pretty sleak too. I'm really curious to see how the touch screen will work! that's another reason why I want it. I'm a cutting edge kinda girl lol. I wanna be one of the first blind people to pull out my iphone and use a touch screen device!!! it'll be one of those "how do they do it?" moments lol. I'm just so excited about where this is going! I wanna jump in! but I do love my e71 and I just got it in january with a talks upgrade!! so I dunno how I'd get an IPhone. although I'm on the right carrier that has them, so hmmm. On 9-Jun-09, at 1:00 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > I know exactly what you mean (smiles) > I want the sleekness and I could probably get used to the touch, but > really, if you disregard the touch screen I really don't see many > advantages that would justifie me spending that amount of money. > But it is a i phone. > > On 09/06/2009, Jessi and Goldina wrote: >> >> I'm in the same position. I love my e71 to death!!! it's a great >> phone!!! but an IPhone!!! just the thought of it is like wow! >> On 8-Jun-09, at 4:37 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >> >>> >>> I can't diside if I should get one or not. >>> The idea of knowing where abouts things are on the screen is a good >>> one - i've missed being able to know that since i've lost my site. >>> However, I really don't see the advantage of a iphone over my e71. >>> >>> On 09/06/2009, glenn wrote: >>>> Hello >>>> Does anyone know of any demonstration videos showing the addition >>>> of >>>> Voiceover? >>>> Any word whether Voiceover will be available for the ipod touch? >>>> >>>> Glenn >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: Josh de Lioncourt >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM >>>> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll >>>> have to >>>> get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just >>>> tremendous. >>>> >>>> >>>> The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I absoltuely >>>> cannot >>>> wait. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Josh de Lioncourt >>>> …my other mail provider is an owl… >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >>>> Music: http://stage19music.com >>>> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >>>> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >>>> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read. >>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kind regards, BEN. >>> >>> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >>> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >>> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >> > > > -- > Kind regards, BEN. > > email: bmustillr...@gmail.com > msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com > web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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I agree with Dan. I think more apps will be accessible in time. now that people are finding out about voiceover on the IPhone, just like on the mac, they'll start writing apps with accessibility in mind. and who knows, maybe some apps are accessible already just cuz of how they're written? I wanna be able to have my IPhone listen to a song and tell me what song it is!!! lol. that sounds uber cool On 9-Jun-09, at 1:17 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > An interestng artical: > http://twittermail.com/tweet/MzAxMTUzOA > > John brings up a valid point here when he states that apple are > implying that most of the apps from the app store won't work. > First of all, don't get me wrong, I think this is a wonderfull step > forward in accessabilitty of touch devices, but the apps are pretty > much what makes the i phone the i phone. > I know I sound like a spoilt kid, but I want to be able to wave my > phone around to the sounds of a light saber and to be able to mimick a > wind instrument by blowing into the phone. There not the best examples > of apps that would be hard to use, but I really do feel that in this > situation, it will be the early adopters that will loos out here when > apple release a new version of voice over that will require more > processing power. > > > On 09/06/2009, ben mustill-rose wrote: >> I know exactly what you mean (smiles) >> I want the sleekness and I could probably get used to the touch, but >> really, if you disregard the touch screen I really don't see many >> advantages that would justifie me spending that amount of money. >> But it is a i phone. >> >> On 09/06/2009, Jessi and Goldina wrote: >>> >>> I'm in the same position. I love my e71 to death!!! it's a great >>> phone!!! but an IPhone!!! just the thought of it is like wow! >>> On 8-Jun-09, at 4:37 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I can't diside if I should get one or not. >>>> The idea of knowing where abouts things are on the screen is a good >>>> one - i've missed being able to know that since i've lost my site. >>>> However, I really don't see the advantage of a iphone over my e71. >>>> >>>> On 09/06/2009, glenn wrote: >>>>> Hello >>>>> Does anyone know of any demonstration videos showing the >>>>> addition of >>>>> Voiceover? >>>>> Any word whether Voiceover will be available for the ipod touch? >>>>> >>>>> Glenn >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: Josh de Lioncourt >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll >>>>> have to >>>>> get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just >>>>> tremendous. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I absoltuely >>>>> cannot >>>>> wait. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Josh de Lioncourt >>>>> …my other mail provider is an owl… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >>>>> Music: http://stage19music.com >>>>> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >>>>> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >>>>> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read. >>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kind regards, BEN. >>>> >>>> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >>>> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >>>> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kind regards, BEN. >> >> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >> > > > -- > Kind regards, BEN. > > email: bmustillr...@gmail.com > msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com > web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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That is true and I forgot to mention that. YOu can use a version of the Marc Space app and of course now I'm drawing a blank, but there is support for the iPhone in this app and it costs I believe $40. So, yes, there are other options beyond iTunes. On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:44 AM, Larry Wanger wrote: > > And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main drivers > behind your decision aren't what's accessible to you in the phone > market, its what phone offers you what you need. And that my friend is > what this is all about. You have another choice. > > Just as an FYI, you don't need iTunes once you get this set up. You > need iTunes to get speech and other accessibility functions working on > the phone for sure. But, after that, all bets are off. I know for a > fact that there are 3rd party products out there that can allow you to > sync your iPhone without ever using iTunes. In fact, I use one of > those 3rd party products to sync up my Samsung right now. So, iTunes > is not required. > > A BRF/Daisey reader, in due time I suspect. I'm sure that will happen. > Like anything else, a developer just needs to step forward and do it. > > GPS solution for the blind? Who says that MobileGeo couldn't be > written for the OS/phone platform? And, like the Windows based phones, > I'm sure that through blue tooth you could use an independent GPS > receiver as most of us do now. > > It is interesting that they don't mention Braille and I wonder about > that feature as well. I don't use it but could see that being of > value. So, maybe its in the works. > > However, nothing you've thrown out here seems impossible and, just > like everyone else, you have a choice about what platform and phone > you use. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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The new iphone will be supported on varizon, which is cdma. Will be interesting to see if other companies are supported. I've read that the iphone does have a builtin gps app and since they say that the built in apps are accessible, the gps might be. I'm sure braille can be supported with bluetooth, bet that will come soon if not already. Mike On Jun 9, 2009, at 7:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > > Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started pouring > and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of > coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some > anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour the > second one... > > OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket licence in > the trash any time soon. > > First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man. > An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in > exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So forget > it for the time being at least. > > So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read anything > about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to > have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on > ocasion. So it's really exciting to see the support coming along. > I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for half an > hour. But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps > system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these > features are tested and true. > > So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do > get... ITunes. You need ITunes to sync your calendar and > contacts? ...seriously? What happened to ISync? Forget it. I can't > wait to get rid of my IPod, because the software I tried to replace > ITunes for syncing my music doesn't work and I'm sick of the whole > mess. Why would I want to buy another device that forces me to ITunes > to sync my calendar and contacts? No thank you. ITunes is getting > the old command option delete as soon as this IPod is gone. Not that > I have anything against the IPod. It's a beautiful machine. My only > problems with it are that it dumps my library every time the battery > dies, and ITunes crashes whenever it tries to sync. Oh, and ITunes > doesn't update my library properly, and it won't let me change the > settings for ripping/encoding cd's, and it corupts my library every > three months or so and makes me start all over again, and it fills my > screen with all kinds of clutter I don't need, and Oh yeh, I generally > hate being forced into using software that I don't like... Fwew! > > So basicly I'll wait till I can have the functionality that I have on > my I-Paq, especially gps navigation, braille support, and copy and > paste file transfers. > > Another thing the IPhone didn't have previously which I hope they've > fixed now is cdma support. It's got to have cdma support to be really > viable here where CDMA is king. I'm using gsm, and would be more ore > less happy with it if my carrier didn't lie to me, price gouge me, and > go behind my back at every turn. I am counting down the days left on > my contract so I can cut my rediculous sell phone bill. There are way > more CDMA carriers here than gsm though, in fact there are only two > gsm carriers here and they are both owned by the same company which is > universally hated here. It's not just me this time. So, we have to > have cdma support if we want to make the IPhone attractive to the %75 > of us who don't use a gsm carrier here in ontario, and probably the > rest of canada as well. Right now, the only supported platform that > runs on CDMA unless the new IPhone comes with CDMA support is windows > mobile and mobile speak pocket/smartphone. So that's what technology > companies here are going to keep selling. When orator and the > blackberry support comes it's going to be CDMA supported as well, and > so we might go with that for people who don't want advanced screen > reader features. > > It is nice to see the stride finally taken in this area though. Apple > accessibility is making finominal products, but the detracters will > never stop complaining that this that or the other device isn't > accessible, so Apple must be falling behind on it's committments or > they aren't really serious. It's not for me, but I bet a number of > people who don't mind gsm carriers are going to be thrilled and it > would be fun to get one for demo purposes. > > Have fun, > > erik burggraaf > A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. > Phone: 888-255-5194 > Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com > > On 8-Jun-09, at 4:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > >> >> Read. >> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group
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Well, and the same goes for Windows Mobile. I have tried apps for that platform many times which aren't read by Mobile Speak at all. On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:56 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > Assuming of course that the developer wants to. Essentially, you'll > end up with the exact same situation you have on every other platform > where a screenreader exists, its going to be down to the developers to > make there applications accessable. > To be honest, using a touch screen is nice, knowing where abouts > things are on the screen is nice, but it'll be the developers of the > third party apps that will diside if the i phone has a strong > following in the blind communitty or not. > > > On 09/06/2009, Dan Eickmeier wrote: >> >> And what about that gps application that was demonstrated as part of >> the WWDC keynote. All the developer of that would have to do is make >> that accessible with VO on the iPhone? I'm assuming? >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:44 AM, Larry Wanger wrote: >> >>> >>> And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main >>> drivers >>> behind your decision aren't what's accessible to you in the phone >>> market, its what phone offers you what you need. And that my >>> friend is >>> what this is all about. You have another choice. >>> >>> Just as an FYI, you don't need iTunes once you get this set up. You >>> need iTunes to get speech and other accessibility functions >>> working on >>> the phone for sure. But, after that, all bets are off. I know for a >>> fact that there are 3rd party products out there that can allow >>> you to >>> sync your iPhone without ever using iTunes. In fact, I use one of >>> those 3rd party products to sync up my Samsung right now. So, iTunes >>> is not required. >>> >>> A BRF/Daisey reader, in due time I suspect. I'm sure that will >>> happen. >>> Like anything else, a developer just needs to step forward and do >>> it. >>> >>> GPS solution for the blind? Who says that MobileGeo couldn't be >>> written for the OS/phone platform? And, like the Windows based >>> phones, >>> I'm sure that through blue tooth you could use an independent GPS >>> receiver as most of us do now. >>> >>> It is interesting that they don't mention Braille and I wonder about >>> that feature as well. I don't use it but could see that being of >>> value. So, maybe its in the works. >>> >>> However, nothing you've thrown out here seems impossible and, just >>> like everyone else, you have a choice about what platform and phone >>> you use. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: >>> Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started pouring and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour the second one... OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket licence in the trash any time soon. First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man. An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So forget it for the time being at least. So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read anything about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on ocasion. So it's really exciting to see the support coming along. I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for half an hour. But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these features are tested and true. So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do get... ITunes. You need ITunes to sync your calendar and contacts? ...seriously? What happened to ISync? Forget it. I can't wait to get rid of my IPod, because the software I tried to replace ITunes for syncing my music doesn't work and I'm sick of the whole mess. Why would I want to buy another device that forces me to ITunes to sync my calendar and contacts? No thank you. ITunes is getting the old command option delete as soon as this IPod is gone. Not that I have anything against the IPod. It's a beautiful machine. My only problems with it are that it dumps my library every time the battery dies, and ITunes crashes whenever it tries to sync. Oh, and ITunes doesn't update my library properly, and it won't let me change the settings for ripping/encoding cd's, and it corupts my library every three months or so and makes me start all over again, and it fills my screen with all kinds of clutter I don't n
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I think on the Apple website it said that all programs that come with the iPhone are accessible, and it specified "including google maps". If google maps is truly accessible, a GPS solution can't be that hard to get to work... On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: > > And what about that gps application that was demonstrated as part of > the WWDC keynote. All the developer of that would have to do is make > that accessible with VO on the iPhone? I'm assuming? > On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:44 AM, Larry Wanger wrote: > >> >> And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main >> drivers >> behind your decision aren't what's accessible to you in the phone >> market, its what phone offers you what you need. And that my friend >> is >> what this is all about. You have another choice. >> >> Just as an FYI, you don't need iTunes once you get this set up. You >> need iTunes to get speech and other accessibility functions working >> on >> the phone for sure. But, after that, all bets are off. I know for a >> fact that there are 3rd party products out there that can allow you >> to >> sync your iPhone without ever using iTunes. In fact, I use one of >> those 3rd party products to sync up my Samsung right now. So, iTunes >> is not required. >> >> A BRF/Daisey reader, in due time I suspect. I'm sure that will >> happen. >> Like anything else, a developer just needs to step forward and do it. >> >> GPS solution for the blind? Who says that MobileGeo couldn't be >> written for the OS/phone platform? And, like the Windows based >> phones, >> I'm sure that through blue tooth you could use an independent GPS >> receiver as most of us do now. >> >> It is interesting that they don't mention Braille and I wonder about >> that feature as well. I don't use it but could see that being of >> value. So, maybe its in the works. >> >> However, nothing you've thrown out here seems impossible and, just >> like everyone else, you have a choice about what platform and phone >> you use. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started >>> pouring >>> and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of >>> coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some >>> anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour >>> the >>> second one... >>> >>> OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket licence >>> in >>> the trash any time soon. >>> >>> First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man. >>> An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in >>> exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So forget >>> it for the time being at least. >>> >>> So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read anything >>> about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to >>> have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on >>> ocasion. So it's really exciting to see the support coming along. >>> I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for half >>> an >>> hour. But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps >>> system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these >>> features are tested and true. >>> >>> So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do >>> get... ITunes. You need ITunes to sync your calendar and >>> contacts? ...seriously? What happened to ISync? Forget it. I >>> can't >>> wait to get rid of my IPod, because the software I tried to replace >>> ITunes for syncing my music doesn't work and I'm sick of the whole >>> mess. Why would I want to buy another device that forces me to >>> ITunes >>> to sync my calendar and contacts? No thank you. ITunes is getting >>> the old command option delete as soon as this IPod is gone. Not >>> that >>> I have anything against the IPod. It's a beautiful machine. My only >>> problems with it are that it dumps my library every time the battery >>> dies, and ITunes crashes whenever it tries to sync. Oh, and ITunes >>> doesn't update my library properly, and it won't let me change the >>> settings for ripping/encoding cd's, and it corupts my library every >>> three months or so and makes me start all over again, and it fills >>> my >>> screen with all kinds of clutter I don't need, and Oh yeh, I >>> generally >>> hate being forced into using software that I don't like... Fwew! >>> >>> So basicly I'll wait till I can have the functionality that I have >>> on >>> my I-Paq, especially gps navigation, braille support, and copy and >>> paste file transfers. >>> >>> Another thing the IPhone didn't have previously which I hope they've >>> fixed now is cdma support. It's got to have cdma support to be >>> really >>> viable here where CDMA is king. I'm using gsm, and would be more >>> ore >>> less happy with it if my carrier didn't lie to me, price goug
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I will not get rid of my MSP license either, but the fact is that here in Spain we only have GSM carriers, and none of them is really hated by people. If VO on the iPhone works as well as VO on the Mac, I will simply get an iPhone the next time I need to purchase a cell phone. I like VO, I don't have anything against iTunes and I don't really need braille support at this point. I just love how things work on my Mac, and I think the iPhone works pretty much the same way. My HTC PDA crashes more often than it should, and most of all, I know that whenever there is an update to the iPhone OS, VO will probably be updated with it so I don't need to bother about it. And then there is the fact that my MSP license lets me use the software until version 2.99 only, so when 3.0 comes out I'll have to pay for it again, and probably I'll buy a new phone around then too. So really, I might just get the iPhone after VO has been running on it for a while, and I know for sure that it works well. Ignasi On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > > Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started pouring > and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of > coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some > anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour the > second one... > > OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket licence in > the trash any time soon. > > First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man. > An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in > exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So forget > it for the time being at least. > > So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read anything > about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to > have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on > ocasion. So it's really exciting to see the support coming along. > I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for half an > hour. But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps > system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these > features are tested and true. > > So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do > get... ITunes. You need ITunes to sync your calendar and > contacts? ...seriously? What happened to ISync? Forget it. I can't > wait to get rid of my IPod, because the software I tried to replace > ITunes for syncing my music doesn't work and I'm sick of the whole > mess. Why would I want to buy another device that forces me to ITunes > to sync my calendar and contacts? No thank you. ITunes is getting > the old command option delete as soon as this IPod is gone. Not that > I have anything against the IPod. It's a beautiful machine. My only > problems with it are that it dumps my library every time the battery > dies, and ITunes crashes whenever it tries to sync. Oh, and ITunes > doesn't update my library properly, and it won't let me change the > settings for ripping/encoding cd's, and it corupts my library every > three months or so and makes me start all over again, and it fills my > screen with all kinds of clutter I don't need, and Oh yeh, I generally > hate being forced into using software that I don't like... Fwew! > > So basicly I'll wait till I can have the functionality that I have on > my I-Paq, especially gps navigation, braille support, and copy and > paste file transfers. > > Another thing the IPhone didn't have previously which I hope they've > fixed now is cdma support. It's got to have cdma support to be really > viable here where CDMA is king. I'm using gsm, and would be more ore > less happy with it if my carrier didn't lie to me, price gouge me, and > go behind my back at every turn. I am counting down the days left on > my contract so I can cut my rediculous sell phone bill. There are way > more CDMA carriers here than gsm though, in fact there are only two > gsm carriers here and they are both owned by the same company which is > universally hated here. It's not just me this time. So, we have to > have cdma support if we want to make the IPhone attractive to the %75 > of us who don't use a gsm carrier here in ontario, and probably the > rest of canada as well. Right now, the only supported platform that > runs on CDMA unless the new IPhone comes with CDMA support is windows > mobile and mobile speak pocket/smartphone. So that's what technology > companies here are going to keep selling. When orator and the > blackberry support comes it's going to be CDMA supported as well, and > so we might go with that for people who don't want advanced screen > reader features. > > It is nice to see the stride finally taken in this area though. Apple > accessibility is making finominal products, but the detracters will > never stop complaining that this that or the other device isn't > accessible, so A
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Well said, Ben. Most developers of software on the mac, have developed with accessibility in mind, or if they haven't, they've listened to our concerns , and look how the mac has taken off in the blind community.I'd think the iPhone will do the same in my opinion. I'd give it a little time however, like I did with the mac. When Tiger was out innitially, I really wasn't sure what Apple was going to do with Voiceover in the long term, so I waited until the release of Leopard, when I'd heard Apple had put in Braille support, (I've never had any kind of Braille Display however), and aditional web navigation keystrokes to enhance the web browsing experience, I just had to get a Mac. I had had it with Windows at the time, and had heard so many bad reports about Vista, and people were just having tons of issues with it, that I figured the mac would be the ideal thing to switch to. So I think if we give the iPHone some time to mature as an accessible product, it'll really take off like the Mac has. Somebody has to take the plunge however, dive in, and try one. Personally however, like I did with the Mac,I think i'm going to give it time, and wait to hear what others are saying about it from an accessibility point of view. On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:56 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > Assuming of course that the developer wants to. Essentially, you'll > end up with the exact same situation you have on every other platform > where a screenreader exists, its going to be down to the developers to > make there applications accessable. > To be honest, using a touch screen is nice, knowing where abouts > things are on the screen is nice, but it'll be the developers of the > third party apps that will diside if the i phone has a strong > following in the blind communitty or not. > > > On 09/06/2009, Dan Eickmeier wrote: >> >> And what about that gps application that was demonstrated as part of >> the WWDC keynote. All the developer of that would have to do is make >> that accessible with VO on the iPhone? I'm assuming? >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:44 AM, Larry Wanger wrote: >> >>> >>> And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main >>> drivers >>> behind your decision aren't what's accessible to you in the phone >>> market, its what phone offers you what you need. And that my >>> friend is >>> what this is all about. You have another choice. >>> >>> Just as an FYI, you don't need iTunes once you get this set up. You >>> need iTunes to get speech and other accessibility functions >>> working on >>> the phone for sure. But, after that, all bets are off. I know for a >>> fact that there are 3rd party products out there that can allow >>> you to >>> sync your iPhone without ever using iTunes. In fact, I use one of >>> those 3rd party products to sync up my Samsung right now. So, iTunes >>> is not required. >>> >>> A BRF/Daisey reader, in due time I suspect. I'm sure that will >>> happen. >>> Like anything else, a developer just needs to step forward and do >>> it. >>> >>> GPS solution for the blind? Who says that MobileGeo couldn't be >>> written for the OS/phone platform? And, like the Windows based >>> phones, >>> I'm sure that through blue tooth you could use an independent GPS >>> receiver as most of us do now. >>> >>> It is interesting that they don't mention Braille and I wonder about >>> that feature as well. I don't use it but could see that being of >>> value. So, maybe its in the works. >>> >>> However, nothing you've thrown out here seems impossible and, just >>> like everyone else, you have a choice about what platform and phone >>> you use. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: >>> Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started pouring and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour the second one... OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket licence in the trash any time soon. First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man. An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So forget it for the time being at least. So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read anything about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on ocasion. So it's really exciting to see the support coming along. I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for half an hour. But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until th
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Damn, I guess I'm just going to have to purchase a Macbook or Macbook Pro. To bad Apple couldn't release a trackpad that could be used in place of the mouse. I guess I'll have to get an iPhone as well, but you know I hope one will come to Verizon Wireless since I would prefer to stick with them do to coverage in our area. On Jun 9, 2009, at 3:41 AM, Jessi and Goldina wrote: > > ooh this is exciting!! sounds like snow leopard is gonna be > awesome! I think it's nifty how they're integrading all that stuff > with the track pad into snow leopard too. it seems like that's the new > direction they're taking things!!! I can't wait to see how this > works! oh, such an exciting time to be a mac user! > On 8-Jun-09, at 7:23 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> HI, >> >> Note: I do not have a Snow Leopard build. However, here is a link my >> LAn tech gave me for a good article from Apple about Voiceover and >> Snow Leopard. >> >> Read: >> >> http://www.apple.com/macosx/accessibility/ >> >> . >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 8-Jun-09, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >> >>> >>> Read. >>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Well what I really hope is that Verizon Wireless will pickup the iPhone and instead of CDMA support, the newer standard VZW is going with will be supported, which will be like GSM, but even better. Like having the benefits of GSM and CDMA combined and hopped up a few notches. As far as iTunes and the iPod, well sorry you have so much trouble. I myself have been using a Nano and I've had very good success with it. Matter of fact I've run it down on many occasions and just plugging it back in has been enough to charge it without loosing any content etc. On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > > Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started pouring > and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of > coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some > anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour the > second one... > > OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket licence in > the trash any time soon. > > First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man. > An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in > exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So forget > it for the time being at least. > > So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read anything > about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to > have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on > ocasion. So it's really exciting to see the support coming along. > I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for half an > hour. But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps > system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these > features are tested and true. > > So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do > get... ITunes. You need ITunes to sync your calendar and > contacts? ...seriously? What happened to ISync? Forget it. I can't > wait to get rid of my IPod, because the software I tried to replace > ITunes for syncing my music doesn't work and I'm sick of the whole > mess. Why would I want to buy another device that forces me to ITunes > to sync my calendar and contacts? No thank you. ITunes is getting > the old command option delete as soon as this IPod is gone. Not that > I have anything against the IPod. It's a beautiful machine. My only > problems with it are that it dumps my library every time the battery > dies, and ITunes crashes whenever it tries to sync. Oh, and ITunes > doesn't update my library properly, and it won't let me change the > settings for ripping/encoding cd's, and it corupts my library every > three months or so and makes me start all over again, and it fills my > screen with all kinds of clutter I don't need, and Oh yeh, I generally > hate being forced into using software that I don't like... Fwew! > > So basicly I'll wait till I can have the functionality that I have on > my I-Paq, especially gps navigation, braille support, and copy and > paste file transfers. > > Another thing the IPhone didn't have previously which I hope they've > fixed now is cdma support. It's got to have cdma support to be really > viable here where CDMA is king. I'm using gsm, and would be more ore > less happy with it if my carrier didn't lie to me, price gouge me, and > go behind my back at every turn. I am counting down the days left on > my contract so I can cut my rediculous sell phone bill. There are way > more CDMA carriers here than gsm though, in fact there are only two > gsm carriers here and they are both owned by the same company which is > universally hated here. It's not just me this time. So, we have to > have cdma support if we want to make the IPhone attractive to the %75 > of us who don't use a gsm carrier here in ontario, and probably the > rest of canada as well. Right now, the only supported platform that > runs on CDMA unless the new IPhone comes with CDMA support is windows > mobile and mobile speak pocket/smartphone. So that's what technology > companies here are going to keep selling. When orator and the > blackberry support comes it's going to be CDMA supported as well, and > so we might go with that for people who don't want advanced screen > reader features. > > It is nice to see the stride finally taken in this area though. Apple > accessibility is making finominal products, but the detracters will > never stop complaining that this that or the other device isn't > accessible, so Apple must be falling behind on it's committments or > they aren't really serious. It's not for me, but I bet a number of > people who don't mind gsm carriers are going to be thrilled and it > would be fun to get one for demo purposes. > > Have fun, > > erik burggraaf > A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. > Phone: 888-255-5194 > Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com > > On 8-Jun-09, at 4:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > >> >> Read. >> http:
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Assuming of course that the developer wants to. Essentially, you'll end up with the exact same situation you have on every other platform where a screenreader exists, its going to be down to the developers to make there applications accessable. To be honest, using a touch screen is nice, knowing where abouts things are on the screen is nice, but it'll be the developers of the third party apps that will diside if the i phone has a strong following in the blind communitty or not. On 09/06/2009, Dan Eickmeier wrote: > > And what about that gps application that was demonstrated as part of > the WWDC keynote. All the developer of that would have to do is make > that accessible with VO on the iPhone? I'm assuming? > On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:44 AM, Larry Wanger wrote: > >> >> And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main drivers >> behind your decision aren't what's accessible to you in the phone >> market, its what phone offers you what you need. And that my friend is >> what this is all about. You have another choice. >> >> Just as an FYI, you don't need iTunes once you get this set up. You >> need iTunes to get speech and other accessibility functions working on >> the phone for sure. But, after that, all bets are off. I know for a >> fact that there are 3rd party products out there that can allow you to >> sync your iPhone without ever using iTunes. In fact, I use one of >> those 3rd party products to sync up my Samsung right now. So, iTunes >> is not required. >> >> A BRF/Daisey reader, in due time I suspect. I'm sure that will happen. >> Like anything else, a developer just needs to step forward and do it. >> >> GPS solution for the blind? Who says that MobileGeo couldn't be >> written for the OS/phone platform? And, like the Windows based phones, >> I'm sure that through blue tooth you could use an independent GPS >> receiver as most of us do now. >> >> It is interesting that they don't mention Braille and I wonder about >> that feature as well. I don't use it but could see that being of >> value. So, maybe its in the works. >> >> However, nothing you've thrown out here seems impossible and, just >> like everyone else, you have a choice about what platform and phone >> you use. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started >>> pouring >>> and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of >>> coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some >>> anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour the >>> second one... >>> >>> OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket licence >>> in >>> the trash any time soon. >>> >>> First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man. >>> An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in >>> exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So forget >>> it for the time being at least. >>> >>> So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read anything >>> about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to >>> have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on >>> ocasion. So it's really exciting to see the support coming along. >>> I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for half an >>> hour. But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps >>> system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these >>> features are tested and true. >>> >>> So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do >>> get... ITunes. You need ITunes to sync your calendar and >>> contacts? ...seriously? What happened to ISync? Forget it. I >>> can't >>> wait to get rid of my IPod, because the software I tried to replace >>> ITunes for syncing my music doesn't work and I'm sick of the whole >>> mess. Why would I want to buy another device that forces me to >>> ITunes >>> to sync my calendar and contacts? No thank you. ITunes is getting >>> the old command option delete as soon as this IPod is gone. Not that >>> I have anything against the IPod. It's a beautiful machine. My only >>> problems with it are that it dumps my library every time the battery >>> dies, and ITunes crashes whenever it tries to sync. Oh, and ITunes >>> doesn't update my library properly, and it won't let me change the >>> settings for ripping/encoding cd's, and it corupts my library every >>> three months or so and makes me start all over again, and it fills my >>> screen with all kinds of clutter I don't need, and Oh yeh, I >>> generally >>> hate being forced into using software that I don't like... Fwew! >>> >>> So basicly I'll wait till I can have the functionality that I have on >>> my I-Paq, especially gps navigation, braille support, and copy and >>> paste file transfers. >>> >>> Another thing the IPhone didn't have previously which I hope they've >>> fixed now is cdma support. It's got to hav
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And what about that gps application that was demonstrated as part of the WWDC keynote. All the developer of that would have to do is make that accessible with VO on the iPhone? I'm assuming? On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:44 AM, Larry Wanger wrote: > > And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main drivers > behind your decision aren't what's accessible to you in the phone > market, its what phone offers you what you need. And that my friend is > what this is all about. You have another choice. > > Just as an FYI, you don't need iTunes once you get this set up. You > need iTunes to get speech and other accessibility functions working on > the phone for sure. But, after that, all bets are off. I know for a > fact that there are 3rd party products out there that can allow you to > sync your iPhone without ever using iTunes. In fact, I use one of > those 3rd party products to sync up my Samsung right now. So, iTunes > is not required. > > A BRF/Daisey reader, in due time I suspect. I'm sure that will happen. > Like anything else, a developer just needs to step forward and do it. > > GPS solution for the blind? Who says that MobileGeo couldn't be > written for the OS/phone platform? And, like the Windows based phones, > I'm sure that through blue tooth you could use an independent GPS > receiver as most of us do now. > > It is interesting that they don't mention Braille and I wonder about > that feature as well. I don't use it but could see that being of > value. So, maybe its in the works. > > However, nothing you've thrown out here seems impossible and, just > like everyone else, you have a choice about what platform and phone > you use. > > > > > > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > >> >> Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started >> pouring >> and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of >> coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some >> anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour the >> second one... >> >> OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket licence >> in >> the trash any time soon. >> >> First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man. >> An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in >> exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So forget >> it for the time being at least. >> >> So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read anything >> about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to >> have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on >> ocasion. So it's really exciting to see the support coming along. >> I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for half an >> hour. But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps >> system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these >> features are tested and true. >> >> So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do >> get... ITunes. You need ITunes to sync your calendar and >> contacts? ...seriously? What happened to ISync? Forget it. I >> can't >> wait to get rid of my IPod, because the software I tried to replace >> ITunes for syncing my music doesn't work and I'm sick of the whole >> mess. Why would I want to buy another device that forces me to >> ITunes >> to sync my calendar and contacts? No thank you. ITunes is getting >> the old command option delete as soon as this IPod is gone. Not that >> I have anything against the IPod. It's a beautiful machine. My only >> problems with it are that it dumps my library every time the battery >> dies, and ITunes crashes whenever it tries to sync. Oh, and ITunes >> doesn't update my library properly, and it won't let me change the >> settings for ripping/encoding cd's, and it corupts my library every >> three months or so and makes me start all over again, and it fills my >> screen with all kinds of clutter I don't need, and Oh yeh, I >> generally >> hate being forced into using software that I don't like... Fwew! >> >> So basicly I'll wait till I can have the functionality that I have on >> my I-Paq, especially gps navigation, braille support, and copy and >> paste file transfers. >> >> Another thing the IPhone didn't have previously which I hope they've >> fixed now is cdma support. It's got to have cdma support to be really >> viable here where CDMA is king. I'm using gsm, and would be more ore >> less happy with it if my carrier didn't lie to me, price gouge me, >> and >> go behind my back at every turn. I am counting down the days left on >> my contract so I can cut my rediculous sell phone bill. There are >> way >> more CDMA carriers here than gsm though, in fact there are only two >> gsm carriers here and they are both owned by the same company which >> is >> universally hated here. It's not just me this time. So, we have to >> have cdma support if we want to make the IPhone att
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And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main drivers behind your decision aren't what's accessible to you in the phone market, its what phone offers you what you need. And that my friend is what this is all about. You have another choice. Just as an FYI, you don't need iTunes once you get this set up. You need iTunes to get speech and other accessibility functions working on the phone for sure. But, after that, all bets are off. I know for a fact that there are 3rd party products out there that can allow you to sync your iPhone without ever using iTunes. In fact, I use one of those 3rd party products to sync up my Samsung right now. So, iTunes is not required. A BRF/Daisey reader, in due time I suspect. I'm sure that will happen. Like anything else, a developer just needs to step forward and do it. GPS solution for the blind? Who says that MobileGeo couldn't be written for the OS/phone platform? And, like the Windows based phones, I'm sure that through blue tooth you could use an independent GPS receiver as most of us do now. It is interesting that they don't mention Braille and I wonder about that feature as well. I don't use it but could see that being of value. So, maybe its in the works. However, nothing you've thrown out here seems impossible and, just like everyone else, you have a choice about what platform and phone you use. On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > > Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started pouring > and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of > coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some > anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour the > second one... > > OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket licence in > the trash any time soon. > > First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man. > An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in > exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So forget > it for the time being at least. > > So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read anything > about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to > have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on > ocasion. So it's really exciting to see the support coming along. > I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for half an > hour. But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps > system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these > features are tested and true. > > So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do > get... ITunes. You need ITunes to sync your calendar and > contacts? ...seriously? What happened to ISync? Forget it. I can't > wait to get rid of my IPod, because the software I tried to replace > ITunes for syncing my music doesn't work and I'm sick of the whole > mess. Why would I want to buy another device that forces me to ITunes > to sync my calendar and contacts? No thank you. ITunes is getting > the old command option delete as soon as this IPod is gone. Not that > I have anything against the IPod. It's a beautiful machine. My only > problems with it are that it dumps my library every time the battery > dies, and ITunes crashes whenever it tries to sync. Oh, and ITunes > doesn't update my library properly, and it won't let me change the > settings for ripping/encoding cd's, and it corupts my library every > three months or so and makes me start all over again, and it fills my > screen with all kinds of clutter I don't need, and Oh yeh, I generally > hate being forced into using software that I don't like... Fwew! > > So basicly I'll wait till I can have the functionality that I have on > my I-Paq, especially gps navigation, braille support, and copy and > paste file transfers. > > Another thing the IPhone didn't have previously which I hope they've > fixed now is cdma support. It's got to have cdma support to be really > viable here where CDMA is king. I'm using gsm, and would be more ore > less happy with it if my carrier didn't lie to me, price gouge me, and > go behind my back at every turn. I am counting down the days left on > my contract so I can cut my rediculous sell phone bill. There are way > more CDMA carriers here than gsm though, in fact there are only two > gsm carriers here and they are both owned by the same company which is > universally hated here. It's not just me this time. So, we have to > have cdma support if we want to make the IPhone attractive to the %75 > of us who don't use a gsm carrier here in ontario, and probably the > rest of canada as well. Right now, the only supported platform that > runs on CDMA unless the new IPhone comes with CDMA support is windows > mobile and mobile speak pocket/smartphone. So that's what technology > companies here are going to keep selling. When orator and the
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Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started pouring and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour the second one... OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket licence in the trash any time soon. First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man. An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So forget it for the time being at least. So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read anything about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on ocasion. So it's really exciting to see the support coming along. I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for half an hour. But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these features are tested and true. So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do get... ITunes. You need ITunes to sync your calendar and contacts? ...seriously? What happened to ISync? Forget it. I can't wait to get rid of my IPod, because the software I tried to replace ITunes for syncing my music doesn't work and I'm sick of the whole mess. Why would I want to buy another device that forces me to ITunes to sync my calendar and contacts? No thank you. ITunes is getting the old command option delete as soon as this IPod is gone. Not that I have anything against the IPod. It's a beautiful machine. My only problems with it are that it dumps my library every time the battery dies, and ITunes crashes whenever it tries to sync. Oh, and ITunes doesn't update my library properly, and it won't let me change the settings for ripping/encoding cd's, and it corupts my library every three months or so and makes me start all over again, and it fills my screen with all kinds of clutter I don't need, and Oh yeh, I generally hate being forced into using software that I don't like... Fwew! So basicly I'll wait till I can have the functionality that I have on my I-Paq, especially gps navigation, braille support, and copy and paste file transfers. Another thing the IPhone didn't have previously which I hope they've fixed now is cdma support. It's got to have cdma support to be really viable here where CDMA is king. I'm using gsm, and would be more ore less happy with it if my carrier didn't lie to me, price gouge me, and go behind my back at every turn. I am counting down the days left on my contract so I can cut my rediculous sell phone bill. There are way more CDMA carriers here than gsm though, in fact there are only two gsm carriers here and they are both owned by the same company which is universally hated here. It's not just me this time. So, we have to have cdma support if we want to make the IPhone attractive to the %75 of us who don't use a gsm carrier here in ontario, and probably the rest of canada as well. Right now, the only supported platform that runs on CDMA unless the new IPhone comes with CDMA support is windows mobile and mobile speak pocket/smartphone. So that's what technology companies here are going to keep selling. When orator and the blackberry support comes it's going to be CDMA supported as well, and so we might go with that for people who don't want advanced screen reader features. It is nice to see the stride finally taken in this area though. Apple accessibility is making finominal products, but the detracters will never stop complaining that this that or the other device isn't accessible, so Apple must be falling behind on it's committments or they aren't really serious. It's not for me, but I bet a number of people who don't mind gsm carriers are going to be thrilled and it would be fun to get one for demo purposes. Have fun, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 8-Jun-09, at 4:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > Read. > http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Listen to the keynote from WWDC at www.apple.com. It's a rather lengthy presentation but really interesting. At some point they specify exactly in which countries the iPhone will be sold, and when it's coming out. In Spain it's coming out this month. On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > I wonder when it will be released in Sweden. I already plan on how to > sell my E66.:-) I couldn't agree more with Josh, i'm in shock and so > excited. I wonder how the sound quality of the Iphones phone is. Well > it's gonna be cool anyways, if only i could be sure it would be sold > here as well. > /Krister > > > 9 jun 2009 kl. 00.54 skrev Josh de Lioncourt: > >> >> I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll have >> to get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just >> tremendous. >> >> The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I absoltuely >> cannot wait. >> >> >> >> Josh de Lioncourt >> …my other mail provider is an owl… >> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >> Music: http://stage19music.com >> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >> >> On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >> >>> >>> Read. >>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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9 jun 2009 kl. 09.41 skrev Jessi and Goldina: > oh, such an exciting time to be a mac user! I couldn't agree more. I'm so glad i jumped on the Mac train when i did. I can't believe what Apple is doing for us. /Krister --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I wonder when it will be released in Sweden. I already plan on how to sell my E66.:-) I couldn't agree more with Josh, i'm in shock and so excited. I wonder how the sound quality of the Iphones phone is. Well it's gonna be cool anyways, if only i could be sure it would be sold here as well. /Krister 9 jun 2009 kl. 00.54 skrev Josh de Lioncourt: > > I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll have > to get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just > tremendous. > > The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I absoltuely > cannot wait. > > > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > >> >> Read. >> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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wdodles http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html OK serious question if someone could answer me off list though since not quite on topic. Where might I go to sell my mobilespeak pocket license? I'm ready to turn in my win mobile for an iPhone! Justin On Jun 8, 2009, at 8:42 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: > I've been looking in to whether or not VO and some of the newer > features of software version 3.0 will run on the older iPhones. It > sounds like the hardware between the new iPhone and the iPhone 3G > aren't that different. However, I can't tell for sure about iPhones > older than that. My wife has the model that came out just before > the 3G did and it looks like she's upgrading so I may try to use her > older phone. Not sure if that will work. > > What I have found out is that the new iPhone is not priced as neatly > as they claim it is. Those under more recent contracts with At&T > will need to pay much more for the new phone. > > So, for example, my wife and I have 2 year contracts. I priced out > the new iPhone if I purchase one on my line and its $499 for the > 32GB model. Meanwhile, my wife got her iPhone in April of last year > and can get an upgrade price of $299 for the new phone. I don't > understand this arrangement because I don't even have an iPhone and > I purchased my Samsung Blackjack II 2 months before she got her > iPhone. > > In any case, the software comes out on the 17th and we'll see what I > can do with it. > > > > > On Jun 8, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I think it will be. >> >> They will be upgradable for $10 for all the firmware. Unfortunately >> they did add CPU power, ... So who knows about VO running on the >> older phones. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 8-Jun-09, at 8:07 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >> >>> Well, I'm guessing it will be...I mean wouldn't it be part of the >>> OS? We'll have to wait and see... >>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 9:52 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: >>> >>>> The iPhone 3.0 software update will be available on June 17 from >>>> what I heard. I don't know though if voice over will be included >>>> in that. >>>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>> >>>>> Oh, and now that I think about it, does anyone know if existing >>>>> iPod touch or iPhones can be upgraded to the new system? They >>>>> all have the necessary touch screen, so hypothetically VO should >>>>> be able to work on them, unless Apple added a lot of processing >>>>> power and memory to the new iPhones, which makes accessibility >>>>> viable... >>>>> >>>>> Ignasi >>>>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 7:28 PM, glenn wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello >>>>>> Does anyone know of any demonstration videos showing the >>>>>> addition of Voiceover? >>>>>> Any word whether Voiceover will be available for the ipod touch? >>>>>> >>>>>> Glenn >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: Josh de Lioncourt >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll >>>>>> have to get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is >>>>>> just tremendous. >>>>>> >>>>>> The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I >>>>>> absoltuely cannot wait. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh de Lioncourt >>>>>> …my other mail provider is an owl… >>>>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >>>>>> Music: http://stage19music.com >>>>>> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >>>>>> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >>>>>> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Read. >>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
An interestng artical: http://twittermail.com/tweet/MzAxMTUzOA John brings up a valid point here when he states that apple are implying that most of the apps from the app store won't work. First of all, don't get me wrong, I think this is a wonderfull step forward in accessabilitty of touch devices, but the apps are pretty much what makes the i phone the i phone. I know I sound like a spoilt kid, but I want to be able to wave my phone around to the sounds of a light saber and to be able to mimick a wind instrument by blowing into the phone. There not the best examples of apps that would be hard to use, but I really do feel that in this situation, it will be the early adopters that will loos out here when apple release a new version of voice over that will require more processing power. On 09/06/2009, ben mustill-rose wrote: > I know exactly what you mean (smiles) > I want the sleekness and I could probably get used to the touch, but > really, if you disregard the touch screen I really don't see many > advantages that would justifie me spending that amount of money. > But it is a i phone. > > On 09/06/2009, Jessi and Goldina wrote: >> >> I'm in the same position. I love my e71 to death!!! it's a great >> phone!!! but an IPhone!!! just the thought of it is like wow! >> On 8-Jun-09, at 4:37 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >> >>> >>> I can't diside if I should get one or not. >>> The idea of knowing where abouts things are on the screen is a good >>> one - i've missed being able to know that since i've lost my site. >>> However, I really don't see the advantage of a iphone over my e71. >>> >>> On 09/06/2009, glenn wrote: >>>> Hello >>>> Does anyone know of any demonstration videos showing the addition of >>>> Voiceover? >>>> Any word whether Voiceover will be available for the ipod touch? >>>> >>>>Glenn >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: Josh de Lioncourt >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM >>>> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll >>>> have to >>>> get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just tremendous. >>>> >>>> >>>> The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I absoltuely >>>> cannot >>>> wait. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Josh de Lioncourt >>>> …my other mail provider is an owl… >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >>>> Music: http://stage19music.com >>>> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >>>> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >>>> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Read. >>>>http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kind regards, BEN. >>> >>> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >>> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >>> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >>> >>> > >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Kind regards, BEN. > > email: bmustillr...@gmail.com > msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com > web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) > -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
