website tracker tool
Hi everybody, is there a simple application to track website updates (not RSS) for Maemo. It would be nice if there was an applet to do it. Or should I just go and write my own? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
skype2 ?
Question might be somewhat naive, but does anybody know if there is any chance of skype2 making it to N8x0 devices? It sure would be nice to be able to utilize built-in camera... ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Installing packages onto /media/...
Peter Flynn wrote: > I have a nicely-running N800, but the apps I use are taking up most of > the internal space. I want to add a couple of big ones (TeX is one) and > I have plenty of space on SD cards. Is there a command for package > installation that says, in effect, "install this all in /media/foo/bar > and symlink it back to where you would normally have installed it"? Or > some other way? I guess if I knew how to view the inside of a package I > could work out where all the big stuff is expecting to go, and create > symlinks in those places to the SD cards...or would that make the > installer spit blood when it finds that symlinks exist where it expected > to create new directories? > didn't look into it myself but I think if you find a way to bolt-on unionFS (http://www.filesystems.org/project-unionfs.html) you can achieve that - have a "base" system on built-in flash and the rest on SD or whatever else you feel like. EeePC does that out-of-the box, and I think it's a darn good idea - having stable OS underneath and having easy roll-back plan (just wipe FS stacked on top of "base"). Good luck with your search :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Music Player Exasperation
Hal Vaughan wrote: > Just a note to all who responded or are reading this topic: > > I've gotten a few responses privately, but it seems people are > forgetting to reply to the list instead of to me. > > So far the best solution is that I wrote a Perl script to go through my > entire music collection (which is all in flac, as I've said) and rename > each file so the track number precedes the track title. It works for > now, but there's still a deficiency in media players that it leaves > open. > just in case that didn't come up yet - Canola2 seems to be adequate solution sorting by album etc. using tags. Don't have any Flac files to test, but seems to work properly with MP3s. You can also create playlists that it seems to follow (not much testing on my part though ;) ). ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
kismet package disappearance
Hi everybody, not to re-start flamewars but just to deliver on promise I've made I have contacted Cezary Jackiewicz (eko repo owner) asking him about shutdown. Here's what I've found out: kismet packages were just a pure recompile from obsolete 2007 Debian package with 0 modifications. Cezary is no longer interested in maintaining it. Considering that package was obsolete and just a recompile from Debian he didn't see any harm in taking it offline. He did offer to send [source] package to anybody interested so feel free to contact him directly. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: the hell of Maemo repos
sebastian maemo wrote: > Why should I complain?... I think it's a great idea... when it's done with > care of course... you cannot disable a repository until you confirm that all > packages are correctly transferred... But it's so logical thing that I > really don't understand what all you are talking about... > You've missed the point: Nokia/Maemo.org didn't ask to take down repo - they have asked to move packages over. Owner of the repo made a decision to unplug the repo and abandon packages in it (See Niels email for details). I think it it quite clear what has happened and I can't see how Nokia/Maemo.org is at fault: 1. Mail gets sent out on behalf of Nokia/Maemo.org 2. Repo owner has the impression that none of his packages are in active use 3. Repo owner unplugs the repo 4. User community gets upset with Nokia/Maemo.org Clearly first thing you should do: contact repo owner and clear #2. It is easy to blame Nokia/Maemo.org, but please do this when it's deserved. This case clearly doesn't qualify. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: the hell of Maemo repos
sebastian maemo wrote: > Yes, I was a bit stressed maybe because every semester I have the same > problem when I happen to reflash my Nokia 770 and am unable to find the > fucking packages I need for my fucking unusable tablet... Sorry about that > and my stressed unpolite fucking language... > first of all: why do you reflash your 770? Ever since I've got my 800 I have reflashed it exactly once - to get Diablo. Is there some specific requirement of 770 to reflash it so often? Is that because of the fact that pre-diablo systems can't be upgraded without reflash? Secondly: you seem to know which packages you want/like/use. Why don't you have them handy someplace safe? every linux system I own (which is much more than one) has a "cache" of packages I have installed currently in one form or another so that in case my system/internet/something else goes in flames - I can rebuild safely. You reflash your device - you know you will need packages you have installed currently, why do you not keep copy of them? You seem like an "advanced" kind of person. It's a common sense, considering you've ran into that problem before. Instead of accusing Nokia I would suggest to go to the "source" of the problem and ask repo maintainers for reasons why repo has disappeared and what are the alternative solutions if any. Just going around and blaming the biggest elephant in the zoo is not going to bring back to life your goat that escaped over the fence. Yes, situation with repos is a Zoo and Nokia is the biggest animal there so it is convenient to yell at them at all times, but not always is it their fault. I'm an N800 user. I shot my foot off on more than one occasion just because I've decided to get "adventurous" and include or enable something Nokia has very little (if any) control over. Would I want Nokia to seize control and protect me from myself? No. I want to be able to screw up and learn from it. What you're asking is for Nokia to take full controll. No apples here thankyouverymuch. I like my eco-system exactly the way it is. Repos are responsible for their content and are should answer to their users. Nokia is (as a repo owner) reponsible for content in it's *own* repos and it should remain that way. I applaud their effort consolidating repos, however I don't expect that Nokia will have all repos consolidated. And *that* is up to repo owners. Repo owner took repo offline - ask them. P.S. Sorry for intermixing Nokia and Maemo.org - for simplicity of the argument I think it's quite obvious what I'm trying to say. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: the hell of Maemo repos
Mark Haury wrote: > Everybody who owns one of these tablets is not a developer. according to original poster he was after Kismet. That is not a toy your "average" user would install. He did know what he was asking for. He did know about etiquette on ML and he should've checked the facts before accusing people. Mark, you didn't help the cause - you've inflamed issue too. Sorry, that's the sad truth. I'm involved to a different degree with different Linux and *BSD distributions (porting applications and such) and My first reaction was exactly like Ryan's: why didn't you ask repo owner? Seriously - having no affiliations with Nokia and being far from delusional about Nokia's goals (like any other company) I think that this flame-ball was rolling out for nothing. Eko was responsible for providing service to community. Eko was the one who delivered package in the first place. Eko decided to take it offline without much comment or advising substitute solutions. You SHOULD BE ASKING EKO. Fact that nobody else has a mirror of eko's content is a fault of ... wait for it EKO. I've got my issues with Maemo and Nokia's handling of the platform, but this one has nothing to do with Nokia. It is clearly repo owner's fault/mistake/responsibility. I wouldn't be surprised if repo owner took message from Nokia (no matter how polite it was written) for "cease and desist" message give the fact that his native tongue is polish. Here, I'll ask him for you to get information about why did he not move contents of his repo to Extras. I'll report later with his response. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: What is the best app to read .doc or .ppt files on N810
Mark wrote: > I only know of two ways: > 1) Install Easy Debian and use OOo on the tablet > or > 2) Use Google Docs, which can convert to PDF as well as open the > Microsoft formats > > The former requires a large SD card and is probably very slow, the > latter requires an active Internet connection and isn't as reliable in > dealing with the formatting. YMMV, but I have yet to get Abiword to > open anything other than its own proprietary format - even plain text > or HTML files don't work. > Not nitpicking, but trying to point to a possible resolution: you *do* need an active internet connection to receive your mail - so using Goo-Docs doesn't sound like you'd be going "out of your way". Now to the fun part: depending on your setup (ISP etc.) you may very well automate the task of doc->pdf conversion and stick to email usage on your IT. Here's how (based on my personal experience and currently employed technique for spam filtering on my POP account which is not SPAM filtered by ISP): if you have some machine that is online 24/7 (or close to it) you could easily fetch your mail from that mailbox (either write your own program or use fetchmail/procmail stack on *nix using "keep on server" option) and post-process it using OpenOffice conversion (you can convert files on-the-fly from command line) forwarding resulting PDF back to your email. IT is not designed for heavy lifting, and it shouldn't do it, really. You can use OpenOffice to convert inbound docs to .txt if you want to edit them easily and don't care to lose fancy formatting. Granted that PalmOS devices have proprietary tools to open/edit MS docs but those are different beasts: they employ commercial software whose producer has access to MS resources and can build something workable without reverse-engineering it like OOo and AbiWord folks do. Maybe what you should be looking for is a producer of similar payed-for software for IT? P.S. better yet - if your ISP uses Zimbra for mail they could do PDF conversion on-the-fly server-side out-of-the-box :) P.P.S No I don't work for Zimbra... err... Yahoo ;) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WiFi borked after update
Marius Vollmer wrote: >> True. Perhaps we (as a community) should try pushing this message >> more: red-pill mode is intended as a rescue environment in the event >> of b0rkage; not for every day use (even by power users)? >> > > Yes. What about making red-pill mode non-persistent: on the next start > of the AM, it would be back in blue-pill mode. I think this is a good middle-ground solution for the problem at hand. It would definitely prevent people (like me) from forgetting to exit red-pill once they're done with "uber-tasks" that warrant use of red-pill. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WiFi borked after update
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > One colour pill is for ordinary users. They get packages that are safe > to use. > > The other is for system hackers who know what they're doing. They also > get packages that are not safe to use, in case they need them to do > things the ordinary user wouldn't dream of. > Well I know about colors, but why do you need them at all - that is my question. I don't know of any other distro using similar concepts: Xandros on Eee, Ubuntu, Debian, OpenMoko, Gentoo, RedHat - none is using a concept of two separate modes for installs. I wonder how did it happen that Maemo got those? P.S. remember that this is my curiosity rather than a flamebait or trolling ;) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WiFi borked after update
Ryan Abel wrote: > To anybody reading using Red Pill mode, please don't. If you aren't > absolutely positive of what it's going to do, then you're just going > to get yourself in trouble. You don't need it and you don't want it, > so don't use it. Not trying to spin any flamewars or try to be obnoxious here, however I just have to ask this: "why the need for 2 modes in first place?". I'm taking care of quite a few (read - "much more than 10" ;) ) linux boxes (embedded and otherwise) and none of them has separate modes for package installation - you either install package or you don't. There's nothing in between. What was the motivation to split the two? Is that because Application Manager is not exactly apt-get frontend and does something "extra" that couldn't have been implemented via extension of apt-get/dpkg ? I'm just curious. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WiFi borked after update
Marius Vollmer wrote: >> I know how frustrating it is to have very little details to resolve >> issues, but I was in a hurry, and I needed my N800 in somewhat working >> condition no matter what, so I just took as many "shortcuts" as I >> could at the time just to "get going". Now that I've learned my lesson >> I won't be agreeing to any updates if I don't have an hour or so to >> spend so I can do thing more diligently (including bug reports). >> > > Ah, no, just stay out of red-pill mode for updates. They might take > some time, but they should not need any baby-sitting. It should be one > big download followed by one big installation and a clean reboot. > I'll take your word for it ;) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WiFi borked after update
Marius Vollmer wrote: >> from what I've seen it was downloading packages one-by-one installing as >> it goes. :( >> > > No, that's impossible... The code just doesn't do it this way. Once > the "Installing OS2008 Feature Upgrade" progress bar is shown, the > network should no longer be needed. > I distinctly remember seeing osso* packages in the listing and I caught a glimpse of screen when it was downloading separate packages. It never got to Feature Upgrade. I got to that much later, when I fixed my networking. Come to think of it I'm pretty sure I've got "Operating System Upgrade" and not "Feature Upgrade", but I can't be sure now. >>> So I would say that your upgrade got interrupted by something else than >>> the network going down. Any idea what that might have been? >>> >> Nothing was happening at the time. Sequence was fairly simple: >> 1. turn on the updates (via app manager) >> 2. walk away >> 3. let N800 download/install packages >> 4. come back later >> > > In what state did you find the N800? Was the Application manager still > open, or did you see the home screen? > Application manager was "running" stating that it can't download one of the packages (sorry by now I can't remember which). To which I figured I'll just fire up connection again (mine is configured to "ask" before establishing connection or I fire it up manually whenever I need it) and all I saw was spinner stating that it's "searching" for network and never finding one. > I assume the AM was still open, since otherwise there should have been a > note saying "Update successfully installed". > yep. > If the AM stops the update without rebooting and without giving any > error message, then that's a bug int the AM. > could be, but I never seen that before (I guess because it's the first upgrade of this kind). >> 5. reboot N800 >> 6. live happy. >> >> items 3 and 6 were the ones with the problem: #3 broke several times >> complaining about version mismatches (to which I replied: "ok") >> > > Hmm, a dependency error is not something that you can override. Any > chance that you remember more details about this? > I didn't override much - it just complained that package "X" can't be installed because of missing dependency and offered choices (as I remember it now) of skipping that one or aborting. Since I was already (as I thought at the time) half way through and I was pretty sure that aborting will not roll back transactions and I'll be left with some applications in inconsistent state (required libraries bumped version but not application for example) I figured I'd skip a package or two which will automatically discard updates for all apps depending on that package. In the end I skipped several packages before AM was able to continue, at which point I "left it alone" and when I came back it was sitting there without network connection and with broken connection manager. I know how frustrating it is to have very little details to resolve issues, but I was in a hurry, and I needed my N800 in somewhat working condition no matter what, so I just took as many "shortcuts" as I could at the time just to "get going". Now that I've learned my lesson I won't be agreeing to any updates if I don't have an hour or so to spend so I can do thing more diligently (including bug reports). (by the way - there was no sarcasm in above, in case you were wondering ;) ). ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WiFi borked after update
Laurent GUERBY wrote: > On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 23:37 -0600, Dmitry S. Makovey wrote: > >> Andre Klapper wrote: >> >>> This might be related to the problem: >>> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3749 >>> >>> >> thanks. that was the exact problem. Poking around with autoconnection on >> my N800 made it to connect to nearest known AP, from there I was able to >> continue in terminal. ugh. glad I didn't have to reflash. >> > > Yes same for me (I didn't put it in the report but I removed all non > diablo repo from my source list before apt-get). After the manual > command line cleanup everything seems back to normal (and reboot works > fine). Only thing is that osso-software-version-rx44 is no longer > installed for some reason. just for completeness - I didn't have to remove any repos. just allow N800 do automatic connection to available *known* AP, launch browser and navigate to any page so that connection is auto-made and then # apt-get upgrade resolved issue so that Connection Manager started to function properly again. After that Application manager was able to update OS normally with no side-effects. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WiFi borked after update
Andre Klapper wrote: > This might be related to the problem: > https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3749 > thanks. that was the exact problem. Poking around with autoconnection on my N800 made it to connect to nearest known AP, from there I was able to continue in terminal. ugh. glad I didn't have to reflash. > See comment 5 for a potential workaround. No idea about potential > negative side effects, though. :-/ > > andre > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WiFi borked after update
On Tue, September 30, 2008 10:37, Marius Vollmer said: > Hmm, the Application manager will first download all the needed > packages, and only after that has happened will it start the update > process. So you should have all the packages somewhere. from what I've seen it was downloading packages one-by-one installing as it goes. :( > Look into > > /media/mmc2/.apt-archive-cache > /media/mmc1/.apt-archive-cache > /var/cache/apt/archives. I did, just to find out that it had packages unrelated to base system update. > During a OS update, the network connection will usually be shutdown and > then brought up again, as the relevant packages get updated. But the > Wifi going down should not have any ill effect on the OS update, it > should finish normally. > > So I would say that your upgrade got interrupted by something else than > the network going down. Any idea what that might have been? Nothing was happening at the time. Sequence was fairly simple: 1. turn on the updates (via app manager) 2. walk away 3. let N800 download/install packages 4. come back later 5. reboot N800 6. live happy. items 3 and 6 were the ones with the problem: #3 broke several times complaining about version mismatches (to which I replied: "ok") assuming that there is some error in dependency resolution and it'll get fixed on the second run of update. (The very last event on device was another pop-up with conflict information, but WiFi was gone then so hitting OK didn't do anything except for failure) I couldn't locate WiFi AP anymore so I did #5 thinking that maybe driver version has changed and the whole OS better be reloaded. But that didn't help either. > First try > ># dpkg --configure -a > Does this do anything? Any errors? This might bring your connectivity > back. If it does, try to complete the update, either in the Application > manager or with apt-get upgrade. no errors or any other types of messages. > Rebooting might also help, in case you didn't do that already. I did it twice already - unfortunately a no-go. (Now I regret not having fully developed backup procedure for N800). P.S. I have some extra repositories configured, but I do not use testing or unstable repos that could've broken things so severely. P.S.S. I can try to resuscitate WiFi manually if I only knew how. Looking at the list of packages yet to be updated it seems like my gui might be out-of-sync with other libs? Can I kick in manual config for WiFi just to finish update? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WiFi borked after update
As a follow-up, I've tried:
# apt-get -qq --print-uris dist-upgrade > uris
with subsequent attempt to fetch listed uris on my desktop
# awk '{print "wget -O " $2 " " $1}' < uris > wget-script
# sh +x wget-script
however all the nokia updates refuse to download in this fashion. Is it
possible for somebody to post the batch and let me bulk-download it (see
details on which packages I'm missing in parent post)?
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WiFi borked after update
Today in the morning my N800 happily announced available updates. So I "agreed" to install them. At some point half way through WiFi connection was interrupted so I've been left with packages in inconsistent state (I assume) as my WiFi can't locate any access points anymore spinning into infinity. What are my options in fixing this? (I want to avoid flashing as that would involve lots of backup/restore steps for me). this is what apt reports as not updated yet: # apt-get upgrade --fix-missing Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages will be upgraded: icd2-network-wlan-config initfs-flasher ke-recv kernel-diablo-flasher libbz2-1.0 libconbtui0 libconic0 libcst libcst0 libcurl3 libdbus-glib-1-2 libgtkmozembed libhildon-im-western-plugin-common3 libhildon1 libicd-network-wlan libicd2 libmodest-dbus-client libnspr4 libnss3 libnss3-certs libosso-abook libosso-gnomevfs2-0 libosso-gnomevfs2-common libosso-gnomevfs2-samba libreadline4 libsofia-sip-ua-glib3 libsofia-sip-ua0 libtinymail-1.0-0 libtinymail-camel-1.0-0 libtinymail-gnomevfs-1.0-0 libtinymail-maemo-1.0-0 libtinymailui-1.0-0 libtinymailui-gtk-1.0-0 libxfont1 mce microb-eal microb-engine modest nokia-repository operator-wizard-settings osso-addressbook osso-af-startup osso-af-utils osso-app-killer osso-applet-location osso-applet-screencalibration osso-backup osso-bookmark-menu osso-connectivity-ui osso-connectivity-ui-btsettings osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs osso-connectivity-ui-connmgr osso-connectivity-ui-disclaimer osso-connectivity-ui-gwsettings osso-connectivity-ui-gwwizard osso-connectivity-ui-iapsettings osso-connectivity-ui-statusbar osso-contact-plugin osso-dsp-modules-rx-44 osso-filemanager osso-filemanager-ui osso-ic-gwhwdetect osso-icons-default osso-mission-control osso-pdf-viewer osso-rss-feed-reader osso-speeddial osso-startup-wizard osso-wlan-security promo-applet quiver tablet-browser-controls tablet-browser-daemon tablet-browser-ui telepathy-sofiasip telepathy-stream-engine udhcpc xserver-xomap 78 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 20.6MB of archives. -- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Gtk Entry limit entered chars
Hi everybody, I've noticed that some applications are locking keyboard input only to a subset of characters which greatly simplifies input esp. if you have numeric fields. Default action in Hildon input is to capitalize first letter which also means - no numeric pad so I'd like to change that somehow for certain fields. I've gone through all stuff relative to python:gtk.Entry and found pretty much nothing on it. I suppose there are some hildon helpers for that, but http://maemo.org/development/documentation/apis/3-x/python-maemo-3.x/ doesn't seem to mention them. What am I missing? (I know I could've started to dig into sources of those programs that do limit input to a character subset, however I don't remember now which ones did that and that might be C/C++ app which may or may not affect applicability for python). ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
probably and FAQ item...
I'm stuggling with rather cosmetic issue: icons for my apps on N800 (running diablo). Namely - I can't get it (Maemo desktop) to use decent sized icons of my app (like 48x48 etc.) it seems to be picking up only 26x26 or so. Should I be dropping some hints in .desktop file? My .desktop looks like this: [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Version=0.0.7 Type=Application Name=FuelLog Exec=/usr/bin/fuellog Icon=fuellog and apparently icon is being looked up from /usr/share/pixmaps. What should I write and where to use bigger icons in menus etc. ? ( I provided those in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/NNxNN/fuellog.png but that seem to make no difference whatsoever. ) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
looking for python development shortcuts :)
Hi, I'm trying to apply development skills to Maemo platform and it was relatively easy with python bindings available for everything I need. However I seem to be stuck with following problem: I want to write simple application that would listen for D-BUS even whenever internet connection is established and run certain actions. My present usecase is that GPE-Contacts fails to render ICS files generated by Zimbra server, so I'd like to write python script which upon every internet connection receive data from Zimbra, render it to a form that is acceptable for GPE and submit it via gpesyncd. So as you see I have figured most pieces for myself, except I'm kind of struggling with D-BUS stuff esp. that I can't figure out how to simulate those evens in scratchbox and doing it on actual device is kind of painful (breaking connection so I have to re-ssh in etc. etc. etc.). Any pointers are appreciated. So far I have found those: http://stefans.datenbruch.de/nokia770/ http://maemo.org/development/documentation/apis/3-x/python-maemo-3.x/pyosso_rpc.html http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/python_osso_examples/index.html but I wasn't able to put those together into something coherent to implement as a code :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
