Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail are not going out from mailman...

[Nitin Bhadauria]

Dear Sir,

I found the problem the "Bounce processing" option was disabled. The 
mailman send the mail to 500 rcpt at once because of the 20 user are 
says User unknown in virtual mailbox table so all the 500 mails are keep 
bouncing between mailman and postfix.


Thanks
Nitin Bhadauria

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Nitin Bhadauria wrote:
  
One of my list with 6000 users is not sending mail to all the users of a 
same domain, I search over the logs of postfix and the only error i 
found is some of the user on the domain are not accepting the mails


reply: '550 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in 
virtual mailbox table\r\n'
reply: retcode (550); Msg: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Recipient address rejected: 
User unknown in virtual mailbox table




And do you see mail being accepted for the users who don't receive it.

The most likely cause of this is the recipient domain is accepting the
mail and then discarding it as spam (or delivering it to the users'
spam or bulk folders). See the FAQ at .


  
Is it possible that mailman is not sending mails to all the users on the 
domain or mails are send domain wise so all the mail stuck. Any way i 
didn't find any thing in the qfiles.




and followed up:

  
When i check the qfiles they are empty but if i restart mailman it start 
sending all pending mails again is that any where else mailman store 
pending mails request ...



No.

As far as the main delivery path is concerned, incoming mail is placed
in a queue entry in qfiles/in. That queue entry is picked up by
IncomingRunner and is processed through a pipeline of handlers and
ultimately queued in qfiles/out for delivery. That entry is picked up
by OutgoingRunner which delivers messages with from one to hundreds of
recipients via SMTP to your Postfix. At that point (after delivery is
complete), it writes the 'post' log entry and the 'smtp' log entry
( smtp to list for nnn recips, completed in nn.nnn
seconds).

When the above log entry is written, the mail has all been passed to
Postfix and is no longer in Mailman except for things like archives
and digests. If any SMTP errors occur between Mailman and Postfix,
they are logged in 'smtp-failure' and if retryable, the message with
the failed recipient list is queued in qfiles/retry where it will be
picked up by RetryRunner and requed in qfiles/out after a delay.

If there are no files in qfiles/in/, qfiles/out/ or qfiles/retry,
Mailman is done with message delivery, and it's all in Postfix.
Restarting Mailman can't affect that message unless it is being
processed by a runner at the time of restart in which case, there may
be a .bak file in a queue which will be reprocessed when Mailman
restarts.

  


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and SMS

[Brad Knowles]

Rick Bragg wrote:


Is there a way to thin down Mailman to work nicely with SMS?  I would
like to set up a system similar to Twitter. Has anyone done this at all?


Your biggest problem here is not Mailman.  Your biggest problem is that all 
mail-to-SMS gateways that are in operation, especially including the 
official gateways that are operated by the carriers, literally throw away 
billions and billions of SMS messages per day, simply because they're 
overloaded -- too much spam.


The highest level of service that the carriers provide regarding SMS 
messages are those messages which are sent from one handset to another.  And 
even there they toss away billions and billions of SMS messages per day.



So, do you really want to be shouting into hurricane force winds?


Solve the back-end SMS problems on the carriers, and then you can worry 
about whether it makes sense to try to do any of the rest.  Otherwise, why 
bother?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and SMS

[Mark Sapiro]

Carl Zwanzig wrote:

>In a flurry of recycled electrons, Rick Bragg wrote:
>
>> It is very important that all web pages be totally customizable, and
>> mobile screen friendly, and also that all text message text be very
>> short and also totally customizable.
>
>They are all customizable, provided that you don't mind hacking the
>python code that generates many of them. Not a project for the faint-
>hearted, IMHO.


But only template customizations survive package upgrades.

The situation will improve in Mailman 3. Actually, it was intended that
the main thrust of Mailman 2.2 be an improved web UI, but that part of
2.2 appears stalled at the moment.

This thread would probably fit better on mailman-developers
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and SMS

[Carl Zwanzig]

In a flurry of recycled electrons, Rick Bragg wrote:

> It is very important that all web pages be totally customizable, and
> mobile screen friendly, and also that all text message text be very
> short and also totally customizable.

They are all customizable, provided that you don't mind hacking the
python code that generates many of them. Not a project for the faint-
hearted, IMHO.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman and SMS

[Rick Bragg]

Hello,

Is there a way to thin down Mailman to work nicely with SMS?  I would
like to set up a system similar to Twitter. Has anyone done this at all?

I know it is a stretch for Mailman. Also other middle-ware software is
needed for the web-app part.  

It is very important that all web pages be totally customizable, and
mobile screen friendly, and also that all text message text be very
short and also totally customizable.

It seems that Mailman only allows "some" customizations. It is also very
important that updates (via apt-get for example) work without killing
the customizations.

Please let me know your thoughts about it.

Thanks!
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Developers Guide?

[Mark Sapiro]

Kelly Jones wrote:

>It took me a long time to figure out that Mailman's 'virgin' directory
>was for messages that Mailman created itself. Is stuff like this
>documented somewhere? Is there a developer's guide to Mailman out
>there?


UTSL

There's really nothing beyond that. Mailman 3 will be better.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Formatting the html inside of article.html

[Edward Ned Harvey]

> >By any chance, can you tell me a simple change, to fix the In-Reply-To
> >problem?
> 
> 
> Yes, it's very simple. See
>  coders/mailman/2.1/revision/1017>.

Awesome.  You're the best.  :-)
And I'm glad to see the other "bugfix" in there too, addition of "Re: "
because that's exactly what I just did myself over here.  :-)

I don't know if this is something you'd like to include, but here's another
thing I just did:

Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py:
Approx Line 473:
 emailurl = self.email
 d["author_html"] = self.quote(author)
 d["email_url"] = url_quote(emailurl)
+d["list_email_html"] = self.quote(self._mlist.GetListEmail())
+d["list_email_url"] = url_quote(self._mlist.GetListEmail())
 d["datestr_html"] = self.quote(i18n.ctime(int(self.date)))
 d["body"] = self._get_body()
 d['listurl'] = self._mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1)


templates/en/article.html
Approx Line 12:
  
  
%(subject_html)s
-%(author_html)s
+Reply To: %(author_html)s
 %(email_html)s

+Reply To: %(listname)s
+%(list_email_html)s
+   
 %(datestr_html)s
 


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[Mailman-Users] Mailman Developers Guide?

[Kelly Jones]

It took me a long time to figure out that Mailman's 'virgin' directory
was for messages that Mailman created itself. Is stuff like this
documented somewhere? Is there a developer's guide to Mailman out
there?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Formatting the html inside of article.html

[Mark Sapiro]

Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
>
>I am looking at the "&In-Reply-To=" of the email url.  I know you said this
>was a bug fixed in 2.1.10, however, due to selinux messing around with the
>"apache" and "mailman" users' processes, I spent about a day or two trying
>to build my own mailman unsuccessfully.  I reverted to 2.1.9 from rpm (on
>centos 5.1). Which is the latest released rpm build.
>
>I am hoping the bug fix is really easy, like "change line 202 in pipermai.py
>from self._in_reply_to = message['in-reply-to'] to blahblahblah"
>...  I am familiar with svn, but not bzr ... I'm hoping I don't need to
>learn bzr for this...  But I'll do that if it's the only way...
>
>By any chance, can you tell me a simple change, to fix the In-Reply-To
>problem?


Yes, it's very simple. See
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Formatting the html inside of article.html

[Edward Ned Harvey]

> The '%' character is the leadin for interpolation in templates. Thus if
> you want a literal % in a template, you have to double it - %%58%%20.

Thanks, that's very helpful - 

Next question - 

I am looking at the "&In-Reply-To=" of the email url.  I know you said this
was a bug fixed in 2.1.10, however, due to selinux messing around with the
"apache" and "mailman" users' processes, I spent about a day or two trying
to build my own mailman unsuccessfully.  I reverted to 2.1.9 from rpm (on
centos 5.1). Which is the latest released rpm build.

I am hoping the bug fix is really easy, like "change line 202 in pipermai.py
from self._in_reply_to = message['in-reply-to'] to blahblahblah"
...  I am familiar with svn, but not bzr ... I'm hoping I don't need to
learn bzr for this...  But I'll do that if it's the only way...

By any chance, can you tell me a simple change, to fix the In-Reply-To
problem?

Thanks again...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Post by non-member to a members-only list

[Carl Zwanzig]

In a flurry of recycled electrons, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I'm getting this message but yet the person posting IS a member.  Any ideas?

Did it ever work for them? Has their email address changed recently? 

AFAIK If they're subscribed & receiving mail as [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the 
server is sending the mail as [EMAIL PROTECTED], it'll be rejected. 
(I ran into this myself a few years ago.)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscribe Digest members

[Mark Sapiro]

Mel Sojka wrote:

>I know it must be somewhere in the wiki but have yet to find it and 
>google went everywhere else. I have a long list of both regular and 
>digest members how can I mass subscribe the digest members or even 
>better both combined?


If you have command line access, use bin/add_members.

Through the web you need to first set Digest options ->
digest_is_default to Digest and then mass subscribe the digest
members. Then set Digest options -> digest_is_default back to Regular
and mass subscribe the regular members.

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[Mailman-Users] Mass Subscribe Digest members

[Mel Sojka]

I know it must be somewhere in the wiki but have yet to find it and 
google went everywhere else. I have a long list of both regular and 
digest members how can I mass subscribe the digest members or even 
better both combined?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam Problem

[Mark Sapiro]

Donald J. Organ IV wrote:

>I seem to be getting spam sent through mailman 
>
>I have the following lists setup 
>
>LIPHP ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and mailman 
>
>mailman shouldnt actually be sending any where 
>
>The MTA is exim4 
>
>something sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] is being accepted and looks like sending 
>some spam through it. I dont believe [EMAIL PROTECTED] is doing this. 
>
>Can anyone help me?? 


Not without more information. Can you post the complete headers from
one of the spam messages. Then perhaps we can see where the mail is
coming from.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Post by non-member to a members-only list

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm getting this message but yet the person posting IS a member.  Any 
ideas?


Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list


They must be posting to the list from a different address than the one they 
are subscribed as.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML table code broken via Mailman

[Edward Salm, PhD]

Thanks to everyone. All problems solved.

That is, after I sent the message and found out my host had a 500/hour
limit. *(@&*(#&[EMAIL PROTECTED] They raised it temporarily, and it was just 
sent.

Whew.

This was my first time working with mailman. It was a little quirky, but
everything worked out.

Again, thanks for your patience and diligence.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML table code broken via Mailman

[Edward Salm, PhD]

The email programs that sent the mail both Apple Mail and Thunderbird, so it
appears that Microsoft is not the only culprit. I would have assumed
(perhaps incorrectly) that Thunderbird uses "standards".

I have just contacted my webhost, hostforweb.com, regarding the
Personalization option, as well as cron/disbaled.

We're getting closer!


On 10/5/08 3:21 AM, "Lloyd Tennison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Outlook and Outlook Express adds the translating, but most other email
> clients do not.  
> 
> As to Personalization:
> 
> Look at Non-Digest Options, the second option should be:
> 
> Should Mailman personalize each non-digest delivery? This is often useful for
> announce-only lists, but read the details  section for a discussion of
> important performance issues.
> (Details for personalize)
> 
> No
> Yes
> Full Personalization
> 
> Full Personalization is preferred if you want to track, as that uses full
> VERP.
> 
> Note: Some hosts do not have that option enabled.  Many will enable it if you
> ask.  It is a simple configuration change that takes seconds to do.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce

[Edward Salm, PhD]

I am using the cPanel version of Mailman, as someone pointed out earlier.
This is at my webhost, and I do not have such access to those logs.

What cPanel does give me is a graphical user interface. It shows that bogus
user that I subscribed manually as having the status of "nomail (Reason
[b])" which I assume to mean bounce. It would have to be a hard bounce, as
it was a non-existent email address.

A screen shot of that interface as mentioned, is here:

http://www.lambdaent.com/pub/mailman/membership.jpg



On 10/4/08 11:49 PM, "Lloyd Tennison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What do the bounce logs say about that user? Did the bounce register?  Not
> all hard or soft bounces can be determined.  I actually scan my mail logs
> for hard bounces and delete them even faster than Mailman would.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Edward Salm, PhD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "mailman-users@python.org" 
> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:19:03 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce
> 
>> bounce_score_threshold = 1.0
>> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0
>> 
>> It's been 24 hours and the bogus user is still there.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML table code broken via Mailman

[Edward Salm, PhD]

=3d is the escape code for a "=". That is "direct" HTML as translated.
Regular HTML was used, so that part you were incorrect.

However...
You were right on the money about the footer! Wow, that did it. Thank you.

What do you mean "full personalization"? I don't know what you are referring
to?


On 10/4/08 11:41 PM, "Lloyd Tennison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Two problems:
> 
> 1.   You have image(s) sent in the email.  They ideally are better sourced to
> a server. (It also make the email smaller and transmits faster.)
> 2.   You are adding a footer to a mime message.  That will quite often create
> havoc with the message.  Make the footer part of the standard HTML coding,
> and you should be fine.  See
> http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030707
> 
> Also, whatever you are using to create the HTML code is creating errors.
> 
> < forward>>
> 
> Get something that makes the code directly, and does not add all the "3D" and
> change your "<" and ">" codes, as a start.
> 
> I aways recommend to use full personalization, too, in Mailman.  Without it
> the bounce processing does not work as well.


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[Mailman-Users] Spam Problem

[Donald J. Organ IV]

I seem to be getting spam sent through mailman 

I have the following lists setup 

LIPHP ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and mailman 

mailman shouldnt actually be sending any where 

The MTA is exim4 

something sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] is being accepted and looks like sending 
some spam through it. I dont believe [EMAIL PROTECTED] is doing this. 

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[Mailman-Users] Post by non-member to a members-only list

[bryon]

Hello all,

I'm getting this message but yet the person posting IS a member.  Any ideas?

Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list
Bryon


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Formatting the html inside of article.html

[Mark Sapiro]

Edward Ned Harvey wrote:

>Hey, I'm not sure exactly what and how the escape sequences are getting
>processed when generating an archived article out of article.html.
>
> 
>
>I want to have something like this as the end result:
>
>Reply To: %(author_html)sHREF="mailto:%(email_url)s?Subject=RE: %(subject_url)s...
>
>The key is the Colon-Space after "RE" .
>
>Normally I would escape that %58%20 but the system is trying to process my
>%58% or something like that.  What would be the proper way to escape the
>Colon-Space in there?


The '%' character is the leadin for interpolation in templates. Thus if
you want a literal % in a template, you have to double it - %%58%%20.


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[Mailman-Users] Formatting the html inside of article.html

[Edward Ned Harvey]

Hey, I'm not sure exactly what and how the escape sequences are getting
processed when generating an archived article out of article.html.

 

I want to have something like this as the end result:

Reply To: %(author_html)shttp://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail are not going out from mailman...

[Mark Sapiro]

Nitin Bhadauria wrote:
>
>One of my list with 6000 users is not sending mail to all the users of a 
>same domain, I search over the logs of postfix and the only error i 
>found is some of the user on the domain are not accepting the mails
>
>reply: '550 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in 
>virtual mailbox table\r\n'
>reply: retcode (550); Msg: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Recipient address rejected: 
>User unknown in virtual mailbox table


And do you see mail being accepted for the users who don't receive it.

The most likely cause of this is the recipient domain is accepting the
mail and then discarding it as spam (or delivering it to the users'
spam or bulk folders). See the FAQ at .


>Is it possible that mailman is not sending mails to all the users on the 
>domain or mails are send domain wise so all the mail stuck. Any way i 
>didn't find any thing in the qfiles.


and followed up:

>When i check the qfiles they are empty but if i restart mailman it start 
>sending all pending mails again is that any where else mailman store 
>pending mails request ...

No.

As far as the main delivery path is concerned, incoming mail is placed
in a queue entry in qfiles/in. That queue entry is picked up by
IncomingRunner and is processed through a pipeline of handlers and
ultimately queued in qfiles/out for delivery. That entry is picked up
by OutgoingRunner which delivers messages with from one to hundreds of
recipients via SMTP to your Postfix. At that point (after delivery is
complete), it writes the 'post' log entry and the 'smtp' log entry
( smtp to list for nnn recips, completed in nn.nnn
seconds).

When the above log entry is written, the mail has all been passed to
Postfix and is no longer in Mailman except for things like archives
and digests. If any SMTP errors occur between Mailman and Postfix,
they are logged in 'smtp-failure' and if retryable, the message with
the failed recipient list is queued in qfiles/retry where it will be
picked up by RetryRunner and requed in qfiles/out after a delay.

If there are no files in qfiles/in/, qfiles/out/ or qfiles/retry,
Mailman is done with message delivery, and it's all in Postfix.
Restarting Mailman can't affect that message unless it is being
processed by a runner at the time of restart in which case, there may
be a .bak file in a queue which will be reprocessed when Mailman
restarts.

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[Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Mail are not going out from mailman...]

[Nitin Bhadauria]

When i check the qfiles they are empty but if i restart mailman it start 
sending all pending mails again is that any where else mailman store 
pending mails request ...


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[Mailman-Users] Mail are not going out from mailman...

[Nitin Bhadauria]

Dear All,

One of my list with 6000 users is not sending mail to all the users of a 
same domain, I search over the logs of postfix and the only error i 
found is some of the user on the domain are not accepting the mails


reply: '550 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in 
virtual mailbox table\r\n'
reply: retcode (550); Msg: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Recipient address rejected: 
User unknown in virtual mailbox table


Is it possible that mailman is not sending mails to all the users on the 
domain or mails are send domain wise so all the mail stuck. Any way i 
didn't find any thing in the qfiles.


Please help me out ...

Thanks
Nitin
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