Re: [Mailman-Users] About SMTPDirect
Thank you. As I said, the MTA is listening lo localhost. It is relaying perfectly fine a mailing list using listserv, without a hitch. Thanks for answering, though. Best, elena -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] About SMTPDirect
After having experimented with zillions of possibilities, I went to google with this query SMTPDirect does not work and, much to my surprise, found three pages of messages on that subject. From SMTPDirect.py, I copy these lines... # We have to play tricks so that the list object # isn't locked while delivery occurs synchronously. ... # MTA not responding, or other socket problems, or any other kind of # SMTPException. In that case, nothing got delivered Well, I simply state this for the benefit of mailman developers who might be here. The tricks played do not suffice, in some cases. My MTA is well set. Postfix is delivering listserv out of the box. No problem there. I have checked the python library (2.2 version), and I see that I have all that SMTPDirect is calling for. Still, after checking everything that I was told to check (perms, etcetera), SMTPDirect does not work. It does exactly what one of the commented-out lines says: MTA not responding, or other socket problems, or anyj other kind of SMTPException. All gets queued, nothing gets delivered. I believe the problem (and the fix) is far from transparent. I'll await eagerly the release of a future version of mailman where this problem (three pages of msgs in google about it...) might have been fixed. Many thanks, best, elena -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] README.POSTFIX
I too decided to dump sendmail, and installed and now have Postfix running just fine. However, I am having problems getting mailman to marry Postfix. First of all, when I run /usr/local/mailman/bin/genaliases I get /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases.pag /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases.dir I never get /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases.db This does not *seem* to be a problem, however, since postfix finds mailman, the messages get delivered to the digest.mbox of the appropriate list (mailman list, in this case), etcetera. The main problem is that I am back to square one. The Outgoing runner never picks up the message; it never spews it back to the list. It simply gets queued and added to the digest.mbox. By the way, Postfix is working just great with listserv, so I know that Postfix is fine, but Iwould much rather have mailman than listserv. Yes, I have entered MTA = 'Postfix' in the mm_cfg.py file. I just don't get it to deliver... :-( Any help will be much appreciated. Best, elena -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Problem solved: it was the MTA
Well, I reasoned that mailman was working just fine, save for the fact that it was not delivering any messages. I went to Mailman/Defaults.py and there I learned that the makers of mailman, in an over-protective move, commented out Sendmail as the Delivery_Module, and put SMTPDirect instead. All that is fine, except that there should be a warning about this somewhere in the INSTALL docs. I do know about the security problems with Sendmail, and I am applying myself to patching my installation this afternoon. But, from the point of view of mailman, once the correct Delivery_Module was specified in Defaults.py, it works fast as a whistle. I am glad: the work paid off. I am mad: I hate it when something as basic as 'Sendmail' is commented out because You shouldn't be running sendmail in the first place. Fine, but tell me about it in the README file. I say it here in case another newbie writes in the future with the same difficulty. Many thanks to all who bothered with my problem. Best, elena -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem solved: it was the MTA
ugh, you must be a developer... :-) (just in case, here comes another one ;-)) My problem was that mailman received all fine, queued all fine, and never delivered a thing. Obviously my sendmail was running. When I changed DELIVERY_MODULE from SMTPDirect to Sendmail, it worked just fine. Now, I do not understand this: First you wrote: That's a pretty strong warning against using this in production. And then you wrote: There is nothing wrong with using sendmail as your MTA with mailman. Lots of people do this (despite sendmail's horrid .cf file, IMO ;). So, my problem (one of my many problems :-)) is that, I suppose, I do not know what the hell is SMTPDirect, except that it is not something standard in Solaris 8, because I have the full distribution. Now, might mailman work if I just put SMTP instead of SMTPDirect? Any comments? As for all the warnings you cited, right, I read them. I read them *after* I discovered what the problem was, which took me 24 hours... My only point is that I would not see anything wrong if the README file, the one we read when we install the thing, had said: By the way, take a look at Defaults.py. It may well be that your sistem does not use SMTPDirect bla bla bla. Best, elena -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem solved: it was the MTA
So, I got this: #telnet localhost 25 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mafalda.math.indiana.edu ESMTP Sendmail bla bla bla versions Well, let me play with the fun parts :-) Best, elena -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem solved: it was the MTA
Thank you, Todd, for acting so irate ;-) about my bypassing the warnings and setting up sendmail in the raw as opposed to going to it via SMTPDirect. I guess I have demonstrated to be truly a newbie but... there is hope for me. I decided to look into the sendmail.cf file, and it turns out that somehow the rest of sendmail (including listserv) was working fine, but mailman was pickier, and wanted the canonical domain of the host given there, in full. The canonical name was not there; instead, only the short name was given (it said mafalda instead of mafalda.math.indiana.edu). I edited sendmail.cf Dj$w.$m and now I can go back to having SMTPDirect. Nifty. Many thanks, best, elena -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem solved: it was the MTA
No, it was not a typo, just an ellipsis :-) I am very careful when it comes to changing things. I read that changes are not to go into Defaults, and I made the changes in mm_cfg.py. I just omitted the gory details :-) (that what I put in mm_cfg.py in the end becomes Defaults). But you are right, I should have been more precise. Best, elena -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] From a newbie
Thanks, Jon. Here I answer your questions. Yes, mailmanctl is running---I checked it. Mar 10 19:22:50 2003 (9611) BounceRunner qrunner started. Mar 10 19:22:50 2003 (9610) ArchRunner qrunner started. Mar 10 19:22:51 2003 (9613) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Mar 10 19:22:51 2003 (9612) CommandRunner qrunner started. Mar 10 19:22:52 2003 (9614) NewsRunner qrunner started. Mar 10 19:22:52 2003 (9615) OutgoingRunner qrunner started. Mar 10 19:22:52 2003 (9616) VirginRunner qrunner started. Yes, I am subscribed to the list---here is from the subscribe log: Mar 10 19:03:43 2003 (9552) argentina-feca: new [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mar 10 19:03:43 2003 (9552) argentina-feca: new [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Web-admin pages show up just fine. They show that I am subscribed. They also show that my preference is to receive copy of my own postings, so if I am sending mail to the list, mailman should spit out a copy back to me. Finally, when I go to the Moderation page, that page shows that there is no pending business. # ./version Using Mailman version: 2.1.1 I am also using the latest stable python for Solaris (downloaded it and installed it just for mailman). I'll keep looking. I'll recheck perms... Maybe the directories and subdirectories are not rightly set. They are: # ls -l total 38 drwxrwsr-x 11 elenamailman 1536 Mar 10 18:52 Mailman drwxrwsr-x 4 elenamailman 512 Mar 10 18:50 archives drwxrwsr-x 2 elenamailman 1024 Mar 10 19:00 bin drwxrwsr-x 2 elenamailman 512 Mar 10 18:50 cgi-bin drwxrwsr-x 2 elenamailman 512 Mar 11 03:27 cron drwxrwsr-x 2 elenamailman 512 Mar 10 19:22 data drwxrwsr-x 2 elenamailman 512 Mar 10 18:50 icons drwxrwsr-x 4 elenamailman 512 Mar 10 19:02 lists drwxrwsr-x 2 elenamailman 512 Mar 11 09:06 locks drwxrwsr-x 2 elenamailman 512 Mar 10 19:01 logs drwxrwsr-x 2 elenamailman 512 Mar 10 18:50 mail drwxrwsr-x 18 elenamailman 512 Mar 10 18:52 messages drwxrwsr-x 6 elenamailman 512 Mar 10 18:50 pythonlib drwxrwsr-x 10 elenamailman 512 Mar 10 18:56 qfiles drwxrwsr-x 2 elenamailman 512 Mar 10 19:04 scripts drwxrwsr-x 2 elenamailman 512 Mar 10 18:50 spam drwxrwsr-x 21 elenamailman 512 Mar 10 18:52 templates drwxrwsr-x 4 elenamailman 512 Mar 10 18:52 tests I ran bin/check_perms, and it said No problems found. Best, and thanks, elena (no threats, you see... :-)) -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Outgoing runner not running?
OK, here is the situation now. I re-started the qrunner (mailmanctl restart), and I note that the OutgoingRunner qrunner is not listed. Is that a symptom of something? Mar 11 12:59:05 2003 (10832) BounceRunner qrunner started. Mar 11 12:59:05 2003 (10833) VirginRunner qrunner started. Mar 11 12:59:06 2003 (10834) CommandRunner qrunner started. Mar 11 12:59:06 2003 (10837) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Mar 11 12:59:06 2003 (10836) ArchRunner qrunner started. Mar 11 12:59:06 2003 (10835) NewsRunner qrunner started. No errors in the error log. Here is the syslog: Mar 11 12:52:03 mafalda sendmail[10789]: [ID 801593 mail.info] MAA10788: to=|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Sent In effect, the digest mbox shows that the message was received, and it appears in the digest. It has got to be that the Outgoing Runner is not running. And that happens because... ! Many thanks for any help you can give, best, elena -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Mailman-Users] Can someone tell me how do their locks behave?
I have been tweaking with things, and have gotten the following behavior. If I completely stop mailman, and then start it, I get *one* message delivered. A lock forms, like this: -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 53 Mar 12 2003 master-qrunner -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 53 Mar 12 2003 master-qrunner.mafalda.11448 Now that process number corresponds to: 8 S mailman 11448 1 0 40 20?827? 14:29:42 ? 0:00 /usr/local/bin/python ./mailmanctl that is, it corresponds to the start of *this* session of mailman. Is this normal behavior? What can possibly trigger the fact that *one* message will get delivered upon mailmanctl start, and then nothing? Please forgive my insistence. Best, elena -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] From a newbie
Hi Jon, Here is the logs directory. # ls -ltr total 20 -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman 454 Mar 11 13:37 subscribe -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman0 Mar 11 14:06 error -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman 98 Mar 11 14:08 post -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman 963 Mar 11 14:29 smtp -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman0 Mar 11 15:52 vette -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman 6756 Mar 11 16:16 qrunner I did not have a vette file, so I created with cp /dev/null vette vette and error give nothing. post gives the sole message that was delivered: Mar 11 14:08:04 2003 (11306) post to mailman from [EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1825, success smtp shows other messages that were received, and that form part of digest.mbox, though they were never delivered: # more smtp Mar 10 18:56:41 2003 (9505) [EMAIL PROTECTED] smtp for 1 recips, comple ted in 0.420 seconds Mar 10 19:22:53 2003 (9615) [EMAIL PROTECTED] smtp for 1 recips, comple ted in 0.724 seconds Mar 11 13:28:38 2003 (10957) [EMAIL PROTECTED] smtp for 1 recips , completed in 0.275 seconds Mar 11 14:07:44 2003 (11299) [EMAIL PROTECTED] smtp for 1 recips , completed in 0.821 seconds Mar 11 14:08:04 2003 (11306) [EMAIL PROTECTED] smtp for 2 recips, completed in 0.739 s econds Mar 11 14:08:22 2003 (11316) [EMAIL PROTECTED] smtp for 1 recips , completed in 0.373 seconds Mar 11 14:29:48 2003 (11454) [EMAIL PROTECTED] smtp for 1 recips , completed in 0.693 seconds qrunner shows a completely normal qrunner. I am beginning to suspect that, with so much tweaking, I may have corrupted permissions. check_perms still says No problems found. I wonder whether anyone can look into the Mailman and the tests directories (just for random sampling) and say whether their permissions are 755 or 775. I think I am looking at a re-install, without really knowing what to do differently. :-( Many thanks, elena Mailman directory (in part): drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Mar 10 18:52 Archiver -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman 1608 Mar 10 18:50 Autoresponder.py -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman 1117 Mar 10 18:52 Autoresponder.pyc -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman12108 Mar 10 18:50 Bouncer.py -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman10639 Mar 10 18:52 Bouncer.pyc drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Mar 10 18:52 Bouncers drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Mar 10 18:52 Cgi drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Mar 10 18:52 Commands -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman51978 Mar 10 18:50 Defaults.py -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman19587 Mar 10 18:52 Defaults.pyc -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman 5644 Mar 10 18:50 Deliverer.py tests directory (in part) -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 2279 Mar 10 18:52 EmailBase.py -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 1878 Mar 10 18:52 TestBase.py drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1536 Mar 10 18:52 bounces -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman 1358 Mar 10 18:52 fblast.py drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Mar 10 18:52 msgs -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman 2521 Mar 10 18:52 onebounce.py -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 2430 Mar 10 18:50 paths.py -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 7288 Mar 10 18:52 test_bounces.py -r -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] From a newbie
Before committing suicide :-), I felt that life was wonderful enough to ask the question to all of you and then, if no solution, I guess suicide will have to be my answer :-) I have installed mailman (in a Sparc Ultra-5 running Solaris 8) by now 4 times. It works to perfection... for the first message. It does the first message... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Your new mailing list: mailman From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:55:59 -0500 X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: mailman.mafalda.math.indiana.edu X-List-Administrivia: yes The mailing list `mailman' has just been created for you. . . blah blah and thereafter, it does anything it pleases EXCEPT... sending any messages at all. Yes, I subscribed myself as a member. I checked the permissions. I looked into the qrunner log, saw that it had caught a SIGTERM, and re-started it. So far, this is that log: Mar 10 18:56:51 2003 (9499) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 9500, sig: None, sts: 15, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) Mar 10 18:56:51 2003 (9499) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 9502, sig: None, sts: 15, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) Mar 10 18:56:51 2003 (9499) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 9501, sig: None, sts: 15, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) Mar 10 18:56:51 2003 (9499) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 9504, sig: None, sts: 15, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) Mar 10 18:56:51 2003 (9499) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 9506, sig: None, sts: 15, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) Mar 10 18:56:51 2003 (9499) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 9505, sig: None, sts: 15, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) Mar 10 19:22:50 2003 (9611) BounceRunner qrunner started. Mar 10 19:22:50 2003 (9610) ArchRunner qrunner started. Mar 10 19:22:51 2003 (9613) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Mar 10 19:22:51 2003 (9612) CommandRunner qrunner started. Mar 10 19:22:52 2003 (9614) NewsRunner qrunner started. Mar 10 19:22:52 2003 (9615) OutgoingRunner qrunner started. Mar 10 19:22:52 2003 (9616) VirginRunner qrunner started. I checked the syslog, and this is what it says, for example: Mar 10 14:34:11 mafalda sendmail[3464]: [ID 801593 mail.info] OAA03464: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=664, class=0, pri=30664, nrcpts=1, msgid=[EMAIL PROTECTED], proto=ESMTP, relay=inca.math.indiana.edu [129.79.147.77] Mar 10 14:34:12 mafalda sendmail[3465]: [ID 801593 mail.info] OAA03464: to=|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post argentina-feca, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, stat=Sent which I interpret it to mean that the message was accepted and, theoretically, sent. Indeed, it was sent to the queue. Then, silence. It's like a black hole. Anyone can lend me a hand? I don't know where else to look or what to do---I am at a loss. Many thanks. Best, elena -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
