Re: [MlMt] show List-Id headers or more direct support for unsubcribe of mailing lists ?

[Mike Brasch]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 21:28, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 10 Jan 2014, at 20:23, Mike Brasch wrote:

This does not work here. The to-field is always empty. Even in 
mailing lists where I had written days ago.


I wasn't quite clear. A test version with this variable is not yet 
released (I added it seconds before sending the reply).


After your post I found a new test release (3932) – I thought it was 
the release you meant. :-)


Ok, I'll waiting.

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Re: [MlMt] Share settings on multiple installs?

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 15:28, Jonathan Clark wrote:

Having tried MlMt for a month and love what it already is, and that 
the
route to even greater things is clear, I'm pleased to commit to it, So 
I'd
like to use it on my college computer as well. Is there a way of 
sharing
app settings (and account settings) over Dropbox, so I can keep the 
two in

sync?


No, you can easily move all the .plist files in `~/Library/Application 
Support/MailMate`, but there is no way to synchronize these. In 
particular, you should never change these files manually while MailMate 
is running.


I've considered ways to synchronize certain settings using IMAP itself, 
in particular, smart mailboxes and tags, but I haven't yet tried 
anything in practice.


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Re: [MlMt] Keymacro to delete the contents of a mailbox?

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 16:24, Kee Hinckley wrote:

I have my Junk mailbox sub-divided by to address, which makes it very 
easy to scan through and delete stuff. I just arrow down through the 
sub virtual mailboxes. However, to make it even faster, it would be 
nice if I could, while the focus is on the mailbox, hit a key which 
deleted all the messages in that mailbox. Currently I have to move to 
the mouse to click on (or select all) the messages, select all, and 
delete.


Is there a way to do that which would let me just arrow through each 
of the virtual mailboxes hitting a delete all in this mailbox key?


I believe the `emptyMailbox:` key binding would work, **but** please be 
careful! I haven't tested if it works as expected and note that it 
deletes messages permanently -- with no way to undo. You don't want it 
to be a key that you can hit accidentally or you could very easily wipe 
out your entire Inbox (or account). By default it shows a requester, but 
this can be suppressed.


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Re: [MlMt] show List-Id headers or more direct support for unsubcribe of mailing lists ?

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 17:07, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

Some system for customizing the displayed message (adding buttons) 
would be nice, but that's not currently possible. What we can do 
though is to create a “Mailing List” bundle with 
“Unsubscribe” and “Go to Archive” commands. Would that be 
sufficient for now?


That would be nice for sure!


Ok, I'll note that I should look into this and I'll notify you when it's 
done. Today it seems I'm getting an avalanche of emails. Maybe you need 
this feature to easily unsubscribe this mailing list ;-)


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Re: [MlMt] Editor/Composer help, How to ident lines of text

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 17:00, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

You are in luck. I implemented this yesterday. Hold down ⌥ when 
clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane 
(r3932) if you want to try it out.


I tried to do this - I don't see any updates (Even with Beta 
selected).


Try again :-) (There is currently no beta version available.) Only the 
public version and a test version. Write me off-list if you still cannot 
make it work.


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Re: [MlMt] show List-Id headers or more direct support for unsubcribe of mailing lists ?

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 20:23, Mike Brasch wrote:

The other way could be automatic guessing derived from the header 
information of the first n mails in current folder (I would expect 
that all users of mailing lists let sort the messages into appropriate 
folders.)


If I see the header, it might be difficult to find the correct 
from-address. Often I used aliases which appears in a slightly 
different version in each mail. One example is al...@provider.de 
appears in header like "X-Remote-Delivered-To: 
al...@123456provider.de". The correct address al...@provider.de 
appears only in the 2nd "Received:"-block.


As long as the Address Pattern (or the list of email addresses) in the 
IMAP account settings are correct then MailMate should be able to find 
the correct from address in most cases. Otherwise, I'm always interested 
in knowing when this doesn't work.


I've inserted a boolean to enable this code, but I haven't tested it. 
You can tell me about any issues when the next test version is out 
:-)


defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmListPostLookupEnabled -bool YES


This does not work here. The to-field is always empty. Even in mailing 
lists where I had written days ago.


I wasn't quite clear. A test version with this variable is not yet 
released (I added it seconds before sending the reply).


Maybe an important detail: I'm using only one mail account. All other 
addresses are either aliases of the main address or forwarding 
addresses of other providers (via Personalities feature of Fastmail). 
All of these addresses are inserted into the email addresses field of 
the account settings.


Ok, then you should have the correct From address for most replies and 
new messages (if there are any messages to derive it from).


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Re: [MlMt] "tagging" messages

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 17:55, Kee Hinckley wrote:

When I started this message, I was thinking of requesting the addition 
of the ability to color messages, but now I'm thinking that perhaps 
what I'd rather have is the ability to associate visual attributes 
with MailMate's existing tags. If I could specify that a tag has a 
color and/or icon associated with it, we could use the existing 
capabilities to visually identify items. "Flagged" messages already 
implicitly do this. But I like the idea of being able to have 
arbitrary icons and colors.


Less clear is what to do when there is more than one tag. You could 
always prioritize them by the order of tags in the attributes panel. 
But it might be nice to combine them in some way. Colors could 
literally be combined, but I don't know if that would really work. 
Icons could show one in the column, and more in the header?


The above is essentially what I have written down about this (but I 
haven't implemented any of it yet). As usual, it's impossible to know 
when it'll happen, but it's certainly not a feature I oppose in any way.


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Re: [MlMt] "tagging" messages

[Jonathan Clark]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 16:55, Kee Hinckley wrote:

One of the things I miss from Mail is the ability to "label" messages 
with a color, so I can easily browse my mail for different kinds of 
messages that I've tagged with filters.


Likewise, and I think from previous conversations, Benny has some plans 
for ways for theming or skinning the app, to give more possibilities. 
And I'm sure colour would be right in there.


I was thinking about that, and I thought about the fact that in that 
sentence I just used the words "label", "color" and "tagged". Those 
are really different concepts (well, perhaps labels and tags are the 
same), but they all combine to mean "make it easy to identify types of 
messages.


When I started this message, I was thinking of requesting the addition 
of the ability to color messages, but now I'm thinking that perhaps 
what I'd rather have is the ability to associate visual attributes 
with MailMate's existing tags. If I could specify that a tag has a 
color and/or icon associated with it, we could use the existing 
capabilities to visually identify items. "Flagged" messages already 
implicitly do this. But I like the idea of being able to have 
arbitrary icons and colors.


I've tried most email clients out there, and the best visual look for me 
is either Sparrow or Airmail. Both have colours associated with tags 
(which can be set by the user), and various different ways of showing 
them. I personally like having a small triangular coloured 'notch' in 
the top right of the message list item (which can be multiline). Or you 
can list the coloured tag(s) at the start of the message subject, like 
Gmail.


Less clear is what to do when there is more than one tag. You could 
always prioritize them by the order of tags in the attributes panel. 
But it might be nice to combine them in some way. Colors could 
literally be combined, but I don't know if that would really work. 
Icons could show one in the column, and more in the header?


Where there are multiple tags and the design only allows one to be 
shown, then I suspect the least frequently-used one should be shown.


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Re: [MlMt] show List-Id headers or more direct support for unsubcribe of mailing lists ?

[Mike Brasch]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 13:22, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


How did it know which list you were writing to?


I think Messenger Pro derived it from the current folder and the 
(manually maintained) list of all mailing lists. Maybe each list entry 
had a path. I don't remember that completely. But it worked. Every time 
I opened a new thread, MP "automagically" filled out the list specific 
"from" and the "to" field. It behaved exactly like in a usenet client.


One way to realise it could be a simple user maintainable list of all 
used mailing lists (the MP-way). This would be absolutely OK for me.


The other way could be automatic guessing derived from the header 
information of the first n mails in current folder (I would expect that 
all users of mailing lists let sort the messages into appropriate 
folders.)


If I see the header, it might be difficult to find the correct 
from-address. Often I used aliases which appears in a slightly different 
version in each mail. One example is al...@provider.de appears in header 
like "X-Remote-Delivered-To: al...@123456provider.de". The correct 
address al...@provider.de appears only in the 2nd "Received:"-block.


I think the first one is the more stable solution. Although it means 
more work for the user. But it is easier for people like me who used 
different addresses for subscribing to mailing lists over the years. 
Currently, if I cannot remember, I have to look into the headers to get 
the correct from-address which is really annoying.


Maybe such a list entry could be generated via context menu on a list 
mail via header fields like "List-post:".


If the currently selected message or mailbox has the information 
needed then it can be done automatically. Actually, this code already 
exists, but it was disabled because it was annoying for some users (I 
forgot the details). MailMate used the `List-Post` header to create 
the new message.


I've inserted a boolean to enable this code, but I haven't tested it. 
You can tell me about any issues when the next test version is out :-)


defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmListPostLookupEnabled -bool YES


This does not work here. The to-field is always empty. Even in mailing 
lists where I had written days ago.


Maybe an important detail: I'm using only one mail account. All other 
addresses are either aliases of the main address or forwarding addresses 
of other providers (via Personalities feature of Fastmail). All of these 
addresses are inserted into the email addresses field of the account 
settings.



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[MlMt] "tagging" messages

[Kee Hinckley]

One of the things I miss from Mail is the ability to "label" messages 
with a color, so I can easily browse my mail for different kinds of 
messages that I've tagged with filters.


I was thinking about that, and I thought about the fact that in that 
sentence I just used the words "label", "color" and "tagged". Those are 
really different concepts (well, perhaps labels and tags are the same), 
but they all combine to mean "make it easy to identify types of 
messages.


When I started this message, I was thinking of requesting the addition 
of the ability to color messages, but now I'm thinking that perhaps what 
I'd rather have is the ability to associate visual attributes with 
MailMate's existing tags. If I could specify that a tag has a color 
and/or icon associated with it, we could use the existing capabilities 
to visually identify items. "Flagged" messages already implicitly do 
this. But I like the idea of being able to have arbitrary icons and 
colors.


Less clear is what to do when there is more than one tag. You could 
always prioritize them by the order of tags in the attributes panel. But 
it might be nice to combine them in some way. Colors could literally be 
combined, but I don't know if that would really work. Icons could show 
one in the column, and more in the header?


A little stream-of-consciousness there, sorry. But I thought I'd bring 
it up to see what people thought.


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Re: [MlMt] Editor/Composer help, How to ident lines of text

[Erik Mueller-Harder]

David Green just wrote:

Have you tried using a code block (preceding line has) ``` as its sole 
content?


Using twiddles (~~~) on preceding and succeeding lines also works fine; 
e.g., the code:


`~~~`
`Hello, World!`
`~~~`

will produce:

~~~
Hello, World!
~~~

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Re: [MlMt] Editor/Composer help, How to ident lines of text

[Erik Mueller-Harder]

If you just continue editing then it clears up without additional 
actions (you can also send and it'll be corrected before sending).


I use ⌘S to save the message any time I want to force an update; works 
a charm.


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Re: [MlMt] Mailmate Message Volume

[Jason Davies]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 6:56, Giovanni Lanzani wrote:

Uh, if it's laggy on your 3013 MacBook Pro, I can't imagine 
performance in mine :)


yeah, it's rubbish news. I had high hopes of that generation of 
quark-based disks and anti-matter RAM...;)

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Re: [MlMt] show List-Id headers or more direct support for unsubcribe of mailing lists ?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 13:13, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 9 Jan 2014, at 13:12, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:


Is there a way to show List-Id* headers for mails that have it ?


Not easily. It is possible to customize the headers view, but it's not 
straightforward and I still expect to eventually replace the headers 
view completely.


okey - i'll wait ;)

I'm especially interested in seeing the mailto: link for 
unsubscribing and for https: urls for archives.


Example:
List-Unsubscribe: 
,


List-Archive: 

Mailmate could even have buttons show up for these directly, but 
thought it would be nice being able to configure the list of headers 
shown for mails I'm viewing

and I could do it myself ;)


Some system for customizing the displayed message (adding buttons) 
would be nice, but that's not currently possible. What we can do 
though is to create a “Mailing List” bundle with “Unsubscribe” 
and “Go to Archive” commands. Would that be sufficient for now?


That would be nice for sure!

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Re: [MlMt] Editor/Composer help, How to ident lines of text

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

No. Most shortcuts in the composer are the standard OS X shortcuts 
though. A few can also be found in the Format menu.


You can find a list of general shortcuts 
[here](http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1343). Look for “Application 
and other OS X shortcuts”.


I am playing with Markdown and now i want to ident selected lines of 
text to diplay as code. I don't want to tab every line. cmd ] does 
not work.


You are in luck. I implemented this yesterday. Hold down ⌥ when 
clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane 
(r3932) if you want to try it out.


I tried to do this - I don't see any updates (Even with Beta selected).

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Re: [MlMt] Initial questions on mailmate

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

No, there is no way to do that currently. The best you can do is 
switch mailbox using ⌘T or [bind a 
key](http://manual.mailmate-app.com/custom_key_bindings) to 
[`selectNextMailbox:`](http://manual.mailmate-app.com/key_binding_selectors).


I tried this but it seem to have no effect.

I used this https://gist.github.com/maxandersen/43e9ec4e8e76de7895bb

All other keybindings works - but pressing Shift+n or Shift+p doesn't 
work.


You have a typo for ⇧N:

"N" = "selectNextMailBox:";

It should be:

"N" = "selectNextMailbox:";


Doh!

That works for me. The other shortcut worked for me without problems. 
Can you re-check?


Note that you must change the setting in the General preferences pane 
to trigger the changes to take effect (I should fix that). You can 
just disable/enable to do that.


yeah it is a bit fiddly - after a few tries it started working. thanks!

Still - having option for having "next unread" to also move to next 
folder would be awesome IMO :)


What I would like is that instead of just nesting per account was 
that you could have them nested per folder the messages actually show 
up in.
Which would be really useful for anyone that has their mails already 
sorted.


Maybe it could make a tree based on a regular expression - i.e. 
.split("/") and not be limited to nesting grouped per 
folder ?


Ok, I get it now. I'll think about it, but obviously this is a 
non-trivial feature to add.


Yeah I know - but useful one ;)

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Re: [MlMt] Editor/Composer help, How to ident lines of text

[David Green]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 6:46, Bram Heerink wrote:

I am playing with Markdown and now i want to ident selected lines of 
text to diplay as code. I don't want to tab every line. cmd ] does not 
work.


Have you tried using a code block (preceding line has) ``` as its sole 
content?


```
This is what it does for me.
Test 1, 2, 3
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[MlMt] Keymacro to delete the contents of a mailbox?

[Kee Hinckley]

I have my Junk mailbox sub-divided by to address, which makes it very 
easy to scan through and delete stuff. I just arrow down through the sub 
virtual mailboxes. However, to make it even faster, it would be nice if 
I could, while the focus is on the mailbox, hit a key which deleted all 
the messages in that mailbox. Currently I have to move to the mouse to 
click on (or select all) the messages, select all, and delete.


Is there a way to do that which would let me just arrow through each of 
the virtual mailboxes hitting a delete all in this mailbox key?


(I love that MailMate has the flexibility that I can even consider this. 
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[MlMt] Share settings on multiple installs?

[Jonathan Clark]

I thought I had seen this mentioned on the mailing lists, but now can't
find it.

Having tried MlMt for a month and love what it already is, and that the
route to even greater things is clear, I'm pleased to commit to it, So I'd
like to use it on my college computer as well. Is there a way of sharing
app settings (and account settings) over Dropbox, so I can keep the two in
sync?

Thanks,

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Re: [MlMt] undo

[David N. Blank-Edelman]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 8:45, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

I think the ideal behavior is that the message returns to the folder 
in its read state. I’ll think about how it can be implemented.


Super, thanks for the response.

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Re: [MlMt] Initial questions on mailmate

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 9 Jan 2014, at 13:07, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

No, there is no way to do that currently. The best you can do is 
switch mailbox using ⌘T or [bind a 
key](http://manual.mailmate-app.com/custom_key_bindings) to 
[`selectNextMailbox:`](http://manual.mailmate-app.com/key_binding_selectors).


I tried this but it seem to have no effect.

I used this https://gist.github.com/maxandersen/43e9ec4e8e76de7895bb

All other keybindings works - but pressing Shift+n or Shift+p doesn't 
work.


You have a typo for ⇧N:

"N" = "selectNextMailBox:";

It should be:

"N" = "selectNextMailbox:";

That works for me. The other shortcut worked for me without problems. 
Can you re-check?


Note that you must change the setting in the General preferences pane to 
trigger the changes to take effect (I should fix that). You can just 
disable/enable to do that.


What I would like is that instead of just nesting per account was that 
you could have them nested per folder the messages actually show up 
in.
Which would be really useful for anyone that has their mails already 
sorted.


Maybe it could make a tree based on a regular expression - i.e. 
.split("/") and not be limited to nesting grouped per 
folder ?


Ok, I get it now. I'll think about it, but obviously this is a 
non-trivial feature to add.


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Re: [MlMt] undo

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 9 Jan 2014, at 15:54, David N. Blank-Edelman wrote:

I have a quick UX question/observation. I can see arguments on both 
sides for this, so I'm curious if this is an intentional choice. I 
often read my mail from the built-in "Unread" smart folder. As I read 
mail, I delete it as I go. Sometimes if I'm not thinking, I'll press 
delete and then a split second later realize "oh, I do want that 
message". I then reach for the undo keystroke (command-Z).


The Undo command at this point will indeed undo the deletion but I 
can't tell because it never returns the message back to the Unread 
folder (i.e. if I want to see the message again I have to switch back 
to, say, the Inbox folder). There's no UI indication that the Undo 
Delete Message command has succeeded and somewhat worse, I don't get 
the message back in front of me immediately which is presumably what I 
want.


I realize that there are two things happening here. First, I've landed 
on a message and that has changed the "Seen" status of the message and 
second, I've deleted the message (presumably that's an IMAP \Deleted 
flag being applied to the message and then hidden from view). The Undo 
is perhaps legitimately just undoing the second operation and so the 
message doesn't deserve to come back to Unread. Still, the heart wants 
what the heart wants and in this case I'd love to see the message back 
under my cursor after an Undo. I realize this is such a little thing 
in such an awesome program but I've now noticed it a number of times 
in my first couple of weeks of using MailMate in earnest so I'd love 
to ask about it.


Benny, would you mind commenting on this?


It's an interesting problem and you described it very well. Originally, 
a message would disappear from the “Unread” mailbox as soon as it 
was marked as read. This is computer-logic, but naturally it didn't work 
well in practice. Instead MailMate now jumps through hoops to avoid 
behaving like that.


I think the ideal behavior is that the message returns to the folder in 
its read state. I'll think about how it can be implemented.


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Re: [MlMt] Editor/Composer help, How to ident lines of text

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 14:11, Bram Heerink wrote:

BTW: Indentation somehow works but the MD parser does not pick this 
up. If you increase indentation it does not show. If I remove the tab 
on the first line and retab the line then the parser picks it up.


This is a different issue (an old problem/bug). It's a temporary display 
problem. If you just continue editing then it clears up without 
additional actions (you can also send and it'll be corrected before 
sending).


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Re: [MlMt] Editor/Composer help, How to ident lines of text

[Bram Heerink]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 14:05, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

> On 10 Jan 2014, at 14:01, Bram Heerink wrote:
>
>> ... and we have a 
>> [crash](https://www.evernote.com/shard/s52/sh/261cea39-5b99-483a-a518-fdee376bef36/ce238b64730987e15c880f25483f87fb)
>
> Ouch. Doesn't seem to be related to recent changes though. Write me off-list 
> with details if you can reproduce it (it's related to handling data received 
> from an IMAP server).

I will if it's reproducible. 

BTW: Indentation somehow works but the MD parser does not pick this up. If you 
increase indentation it does not show. If I remove the tab on the first line 
and retab the line then the parser picks it up.

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Re: [MlMt] ( "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline:" );

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 14:04, Giovanni Lanzani wrote:


( "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline:" );

Is there something I did wrong? All my other shortcuts work.


Remove the `:` from “mainOutline:”. You must have accidentally 
inserted it.


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Re: [MlMt] default search field ?

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 14:03, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

When I click search it always start with "From". I much rather prefer 
it to use "common headers or body" so I don't have to

fine-tune the fields upfront.

Any way to have it use that by default ?


Setup your favorite conditions and then use “Edit ▸ Find ▸ Use as 
Default Search”. (Note that conditions with empty text fields are 
ignored when searching.)


btw. how do I search for just unread in the search ui ? didn't see a 
field for that.


You can double-click in the unread column (avoid clicking on 
reply/forward-arrows). In the conditions of a search you can use 
“Tags/Keywords do not include Seen” (yes, that's not obvious).


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Re: [MlMt] Editor/Composer help, How to ident lines of text

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 14:01, Bram Heerink wrote:

... and we have a 
[crash](https://www.evernote.com/shard/s52/sh/261cea39-5b99-483a-a518-fdee376bef36/ce238b64730987e15c880f25483f87fb)


Ouch. Doesn't seem to be related to recent changes though. Write me 
off-list with details if you can reproduce it (it's related to handling 
data received from an IMAP server).


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[MlMt] ( "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline:" );

[Giovanni Lanzani]

Hi there,

I'm using the following keyboard shortcut in Mailmate

( "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline:" );

to go back to the main view (so that I can scroll messages with the 
arrows). However it seems that, since a couple of days, this is not 
working anymore (Mailmate 3905).


Is there something I did wrong? All my other shortcuts work.

For reference, the whole keybinding file is


{
// Custom key bindings.

// Combo keys
"g" = {
"u" = ( "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline:" );
"j" = ( "markAsNotJunk:");
"c" = ( "showThread:", "showCorrespondence:" );
};
// bold selection
"@b" = (selectWord:, setMark:, swapWithMark:, deleteToMark:, 
insertText:, "**", yank:, insertText:, " ", moveLeft:, insertText:, 
"**", moveRight:, deleteBackward:);

// italicize selection
"@i" = (selectWord:, setMark:, swapWithMark:, deleteToMark:, 
insertText:, "*", yank:, insertText:, " ", moveLeft:, insertText:, "*", 
moveRight:, deleteBackward:);

}

/*
*/



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[MlMt] default search field ?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hey,

When I click search it always start with "From". I much rather prefer it 
to use "common headers or body" so I don't have to

fine-tune the fields upfront.

Any way to have it use that by default ?

btw. how do I search for just unread in the search ui ? didn't see a 
field for that.


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Re: [MlMt] Editor/Composer help, How to ident lines of text

[Bram Heerink]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 13:52, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

>> I am playing with Markdown and now i want to ident selected lines of text to 
>> diplay as code. I don't want to tab every line. cmd ] does not work.
>
> You are in luck. I implemented this yesterday. Hold down ⌥ when clicking 
> “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane (r3932) if you want to 
> try it out.

Benny++

... and we have a 
[crash](https://www.evernote.com/shard/s52/sh/261cea39-5b99-483a-a518-fdee376bef36/ce238b64730987e15c880f25483f87fb)

Will try r3932 for a bit longer.

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Re: [MlMt] Editor/Composer help, How to ident lines of text

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 13:46, Bram Heerink wrote:


Is there a list, manual page, with al the composer hotkeys/commands?


No. Most shortcuts in the composer are the standard OS X shortcuts 
though. A few can also be found in the Format menu.


You can find a list of general shortcuts 
[here](http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1343). Look for “Application and 
other OS X shortcuts”.


I am playing with Markdown and now i want to ident selected lines of 
text to diplay as code. I don't want to tab every line. cmd ] does not 
work.


You are in luck. I implemented this yesterday. Hold down ⌥ when 
clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane (r3932) 
if you want to try it out.


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[MlMt] Editor/Composer help, How to ident lines of text

[Bram Heerink]

Hi there, 

Is there a list, manual page, with al the composer hotkeys/commands?

I am playing with Markdown and now i want to ident selected lines of text to 
diplay as code. I don't want to tab every line. cmd ] does not work.

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Re: [MlMt] show List-Id headers or more direct support for unsubcribe of mailing lists ?

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 9 Jan 2014, at 21:46, Mike Brasch wrote:


On 9 Jan 2014, at 19:51, Kee Hinckley wrote:

MailMate does do a nice job with from addresses though. Every time I 
reply to this list it switches to the address that I previously used 
for


Ah, I forgot: Messenger Pro also automatically filled out the to-field 
(based on the current selected folder). I think in the case of mailing 
lists, mailmate should not "guess" the from-address. The most mailing 
lists accepting the address used for subscribing. And this is the only 
address which is eligible. There is IMHO nothing to guess.


Well, the guess would be based on existing messages written to the 
mailing list and should therefore be correct. But this might need to be 
improved if only received mailing list messages exists (replies would 
work, but I'm not if the first message written to the list is a new 
thread).



This is a feature I miss to this day.

And, if possible, this should also working with the mailing list smart 
list (with subfolders), which I'm using most of the time.


That should work too. (This mailbox is not a special case with respect 
to how it works now.)


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Re: [MlMt] show List-Id headers or more direct support for unsubcribe of mailing lists ?

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 9 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Mike Brasch wrote:

Many years ago (>10 years), my favorite mail client on RISC OS 
(Messenger Pro, mail and usenet client) had speacial features for 
mailing lists. The feel of mailing lists was exactly the same as that 
of Usenet-groups (incl. scoring, kill file etc.). If I, for example, 
created a new thread in a mailing list, MP used automatically the 
correct from-address. This was done via a manually maintained list of 
mailing lists with their standard adresses (post, unsubscribe, help 
etc.).


How did it know which list you were writing to?

I don't know if it will be difficult du do this automatically. It 
would be OK for me to do it manually.


If the currently selected message or mailbox has the information needed 
then it can be done automatically. Actually, this code already exists, 
but it was disabled because it was annoying for some users (I forgot the 
details). MailMate used the `List-Post` header to create the new 
message.


I've inserted a boolean to enable this code, but I haven't tested it. 
You can tell me about any issues when the next test version is out :-)


defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmListPostLookupEnabled -bool YES

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Re: [MlMt] show List-Id headers or more direct support for unsubcribe of mailing lists ?

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 9 Jan 2014, at 13:12, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:


Is there a way to show List-Id* headers for mails that have it ?


Not easily. It is possible to customize the headers view, but it's not 
straightforward and I still expect to eventually replace the headers 
view completely.


I'm especially interested in seeing the mailto: link for unsubscribing 
and for https: urls for archives.


Example:
List-Unsubscribe: 
,


List-Archive: 

Mailmate could even have buttons show up for these directly, but 
thought it would be nice being able to configure the list of headers 
shown for mails I'm viewing

and I could do it myself ;)


Some system for customizing the displayed message (adding buttons) would 
be nice, but that's not currently possible. What we can do though is to 
create a “Mailing List” bundle with “Unsubscribe” and “Go to 
Archive” commands. Would that be sufficient for now?


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Re: [MlMt] Set default Send Later ?

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 11:43, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

> Any way to set default value for Send Later ?
>
> I like to have 10 minutes delay so I can catch errors before they get sent.

Yes, you can do it like this:

defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmSendMessageDelayEnabled -bool YES
defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmSendMessageDelay -integer 600

I expect this to be deprecated some day (and then replaced by something else).

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[MlMt] Set default Send Later ?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Hi,

Any way to set default value for Send Later ? 

I like to have 10 minutes delay so I can catch errors before they get sent.

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Re: [MlMt] Unread flag does not always flip to read

[Bram Heerink]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 11:01, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

> On 10 Jan 2014, at 10:31, Bram Heerink wrote:
>
>> This is de 3rd or 4th time I notice this behaviour in Mailmate. But, reading 
>> an e-mail, when my message -is- selected does -not always- set the unread 
>> flag to read. Do more people notice this?
>
> I have no reports about this. When it happens, can you then reselect the 
> message to mark it read? Or does it require that you explicitly mark the 
> message as read?

Reselecting often works but not always. Explicitly marking as read is what 
works in that situation.

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Re: [MlMt] Unread flag does not always flip to read

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 10:31, Bram Heerink wrote:

This is de 3rd or 4th time I notice this behaviour in Mailmate. But, 
reading an e-mail, when my message -is- selected does -not always- set 
the unread flag to read. Do more people notice this?


I have no reports about this. When it happens, can you then reselect the 
message to mark it read? Or does it require that you explicitly mark the 
message as read?


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Re: [MlMt] Mailmate Message Volume

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 8:11, Alasdair Muckart wrote:

It's significantly faster than my 2009 iMac, that's for sure. 
Searching itself is pretty good but for some reason deleting 
characters out of the search incurs quite a bit of delay. That said, I 
do have quite a lot of mail.


I don't know if there's any delay built into the code when search 
terms are entered and deleted, but waiting for input in the box to 
stop for a a couple of hundred ms might help the perceptual 
responsiveness.


There is a delay, but it's dynamically computed such that the delay is 
longer if searches are slow. Sounds like this might not work well, for 
some reason, when deleting characters. If this is reproducible behavior 
then you can write me off-list and we can try narrowing down the cause 
of this.


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Re: [MlMt] Mailmate Message Volume

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 9 Jan 2014, at 20:51, Andrew Melton wrote:


Are there any numbers available regarding the number of messages in
mailmate and the effect on performance?  I know it will depend on a
multitude of factors, but is there any hard/soft limit on how many 
messages

can be kept in the Inbox or All Mail?


No, there are too many factors involved. For example, it also depends on 
how many and how complicated smart folders you have. (With respect to 
hardware I suspect that lots of free memory is more important than 
anything else if trying to use MailMate with several 100K messages.)


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[MlMt] Unread flag does not always flip to read

[Bram Heerink]

Hi,

This is de 3rd or 4th time I notice this behaviour in Mailmate. But, reading an 
e-mail, when my message -is- selected does -not always- set the unread flag to 
read. Do more people notice this?

~Bram

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Re: [MlMt] Delete everything from this user

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 29 Dec 2013, at 14:43, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 28 Dec 2013, at 16:42, Kee Hinckley wrote:

I find myself frequently double clicking on the user, selecting all, 
hitting delete, hitting escape and continuing to read. It's a really 
fast process and I love it, but I'd like it to be even faster.


Which leads me to a comment and a question.

1. I'm doing this in a smart mailbox that doesn't include Trash, but 
sometimes (but not always) the item I started on stays there and 
doesn't go away (until later when I come back).


This is a known bug, sorry.


I've fixed this for the next update (or I fixed what I believe is the 
same issue). Let me know if you observe it again.


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