Re: [MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
All I know is what I've read or heard from reliable sources. To give you some idea of what goes on in PR management, a newsletter said that the police had to be called to maintain order at a meeting of board members and residents, and that future meetings would request police presence; or something to that effect. Since you seem to be interested, here are the BYLAWS of the PINE RIDGE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION. A quick glance didn't reveal any reference to an HOA although there may be one or two. If there are two HOAs, rest assured that state government will not complain since this is a majority Republican county with powerful Republicans in the legislature. It takes a while for city people to get used to Florida backwoods politics. (grin) http://www.pineridgeassn.com/By%20Laws%20adopted%205.22.13.pdf Gerry.who is not necessarily an accurate source of information for anything beyond his property lines. On 3/27/2014 8:26 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I thought you said it had an HOA? If so, there is only one board regardless of who owns what. Dan On Mar 27, 2014, at 8:21 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: This is sort of a unique subdivision which has two ruling bodies; one of which was formed in rebellion against the other. The owner of the subdivision (which is probably most of the vacant lots) is Prudential Insurance company. I get newsletters from two. This subdivision is so large, the post office is thinking about assigning it a separate zip code. About the only time someone will be accosted about a broken rule is if a neighbor complains. The advantage of having nearly all one acre lots is that people are seldom bothered by their neighbors. One resident described it as Having all the advantages of living in the country without the disadvantages of living in the city. Winn Dixie, restaurants, drug stores, etc. are ten minutes from me; a mall is 20 minutes, Walmart 15 minutes. It's the best place I've ever lived. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Ridge,_Citrus_County,_Florida http://pineridgeflorida.com/ Gerry On 3/27/2014 9:39 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Gerry, If the property is in Florida and there is an HOA in place under Florida law they can potentially fine, or if there is no provision for fines in the bylaws, pay to have the work done then either file a lien or a foreclosure action against the owner. This takes no votes on the part of the membership and would be a direct decision of the Board. Makes no difference if the owner is a bank or an individual. I would point out that banks usually take a dim view of liens being placed on their properties, and once done so, are usually quick to resolve any issues. At least that has been my experience as an HOA board member dealing with such. We have a bank owned property in our neighborhood that has yet to go to a short sale despite the bank attempting to do so on several occasions. It's in poor shape and has even has some vandalism from what we can see. At last week's Board meeting we directed the management company to have the property cleaned up and secured, as well as filing for abandonment with the County, which is a pretty severe action. If the County considers it abandoned, we can attach the property and pretty much do what we want with it until the bank settles all costs we have incurred. Pretty severe action, but we got tired listening to the bank's promises that it was going to be cleaned up and sold, none of which they have followed through with. We'll recoup our costs including management and attorney's fees for all of this before they can sell it. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 27, 2014, at 9:25 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: The HOA where my daughter lives managed to force one lot owner to go in and clean out dead wood and underbrush. Different state, but i think if the HOA was aggressive, they could do it. That would solve the problem, but there is so much of the undeveloped parts owned by people up north; not to mention the huge areas that belong to Prudential Insurance, it would be something of a nightmare trying to get everyone to comply. Gerry ___ All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.comwrote: There were 2,355 households out of which . 22.0% were non-families. 18.4% of all households were made up of individuals I'm suprised the 'non families' are not up in arms against the wiki boys (c: Well, they're vastly outnumbered by the people who are not individuals. Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
Well, they're vastly outnumbered by the people who are not individuals. Best, -Tim ROFLMAO... ( ps, is that ok, PC wise ?? ) On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:10 PM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote: On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.comwrote: There were 2,355 households out of which . 22.0% were non-families. 18.4% of all households were made up of individuals I'm suprised the 'non families' are not up in arms against the wiki boys (c: Well, they're vastly outnumbered by the people who are not individuals. Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
Interesting! I'll send a copy to the subdivision president. ThanksGerry On 3/26/2014 2:50 PM, Richard Hattaway wrote: Not a real problem to have a controlled burn in an area like that. We had one last year. I was super impressed. The NC Forestry Service pulled it off, had a whole bunch of guys in yellow suits and stuff, and trucks everywhere, and one big yellow helicopter. The helicopter shot fire balls, like a video game, every 50 yards or so, and the guys running the fire line started with the wind to their backs, using what looked like tomato sprayers, but fire came out and brush disappeared. They burned 75 acres, and were done in less than 2 hours. Prep included a fire brake done with a track hoe/plow/bush machine. It cuts a swath about 10 yards wide, and wider when the trees might allow the fire to skip over. This monster would cut down trees in the way, and plow the earth under them to some where around 2 feet.. big bottom plow attached to a digger/grader type.. sorta a bulldozer on steroids with a plow behind (c: I have pictures. Don't know how to attach them here. (c: Cheers Richard On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: You have native gooseberries?? WTF. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:00 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: On 3/26/2014 10:09 AM, Dieselhead wrote: The local restrictions here are probably necessary because of constant dry conditions and the subdivision being heavily forested with houses built among the trees. The underbrush is like tinder. Gerry Y'all need to do controlled burns to eliminate the fuel and eliminate some of the brush. It does an excellent job around here with the state promoted invasive weed, multiflora rose. The fire kills them dead. They have a lot of oil in the bark, and it burns slowly, but nicely. Natives like oak and hickory and gooseberries thrive on the burned areas. Around here DNR provides training and planning for controlled burn. Either that or go out and pick up and burn or mulch/compost the underbrush fuel. ___ I wish we could do controlled burns, but I don't think you could do it in a large wooded subdivision of mostly one to five acre lots and a lot of standing dead trees on lots that don't have houses. I would guess that not more than one fourth of the lots have houses, and most of the remaing undeveloped lots are being held for investment and/or sale at very high prices. I don't believe the homeowners association could legally force the undeveloped lot owners to keep their wooded lots clear of underbrush. I keep my wooded lot clear of underbrush but many don't. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
On 3/26/2014 1:01 PM, Dieselhead wrote: ___ I wish we could do controlled burns, but I don't think you could do it in a large wooded subdivision of mostly one to five acre lots and a lot of standing dead trees on lots that don't have houses. I would guess that not more than one fourth of the lots have houses, and most of the remaing undeveloped lots are being held for investment and/or sale at very high prices. I don't believe the homeowners association could legally force the undeveloped lot owners to keep their wooded lots clear of underbrush. I keep my wooded lot clear of underbrush but many don't. Gerry Dieselhead wrote: The HOA where my daughter lives managed to force one lot owner to go in and clean out dead wood and underbrush. Different state, but i think if the HOA was aggressive, they could do it. That would solve the problem, but there is so much of the undeveloped parts owned by people up north; not to mention the huge areas that belong to Prudential Insurance, it would be something of a nightmare trying to get everyone to comply. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
Gerry, If the property is in Florida and there is an HOA in place under Florida law they can potentially fine, or if there is no provision for fines in the bylaws, pay to have the work done then either file a lien or a foreclosure action against the owner. This takes no votes on the part of the membership and would be a direct decision of the Board. Makes no difference if the owner is a bank or an individual. I would point out that banks usually take a dim view of liens being placed on their properties, and once done so, are usually quick to resolve any issues. At least that has been my experience as an HOA board member dealing with such. We have a bank owned property in our neighborhood that has yet to go to a short sale despite the bank attempting to do so on several occasions. It's in poor shape and has even has some vandalism from what we can see. At last week's Board meeting we directed the management company to have the property cleaned up and secured, as well as filing for abandonment with the County, which is a pretty severe action. If the County considers it abandoned, we can attach the property and pretty much do what we want with it until the bank settles all costs we have incurred. Pretty severe action, but we got tired listening to the bank's promises that it was going to be cleaned up and sold, none of which they have followed through with. We'll recoup our costs including management and attorney's fees for all of this before they can sell it. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 27, 2014, at 9:25 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: The HOA where my daughter lives managed to force one lot owner to go in and clean out dead wood and underbrush. Different state, but i think if the HOA was aggressive, they could do it. That would solve the problem, but there is so much of the undeveloped parts owned by people up north; not to mention the huge areas that belong to Prudential Insurance, it would be something of a nightmare trying to get everyone to comply. Gerry ___ All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
This is sort of a unique subdivision which has two ruling bodies; one of which was formed in rebellion against the other. The owner of the subdivision (which is probably most of the vacant lots) is Prudential Insurance company. I get newsletters from two. This subdivision is so large, the post office is thinking about assigning it a separate zip code. About the only time someone will be accosted about a broken rule is if a neighbor complains. The advantage of having nearly all one acre lots is that people are seldom bothered by their neighbors. One resident described it as Having all the advantages of living in the country without the disadvantages of living in the city. Winn Dixie, restaurants, drug stores, etc. are ten minutes from me; a mall is 20 minutes, Walmart 15 minutes. It's the best place I've ever lived. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Ridge,_Citrus_County,_Florida http://pineridgeflorida.com/ Gerry On 3/27/2014 9:39 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Gerry, If the property is in Florida and there is an HOA in place under Florida law they can potentially fine, or if there is no provision for fines in the bylaws, pay to have the work done then either file a lien or a foreclosure action against the owner. This takes no votes on the part of the membership and would be a direct decision of the Board. Makes no difference if the owner is a bank or an individual. I would point out that banks usually take a dim view of liens being placed on their properties, and once done so, are usually quick to resolve any issues. At least that has been my experience as an HOA board member dealing with such. We have a bank owned property in our neighborhood that has yet to go to a short sale despite the bank attempting to do so on several occasions. It's in poor shape and has even has some vandalism from what we can see. At last week's Board meeting we directed the management company to have the property cleaned up and secured, as well as filing for abandonment with the County, which is a pretty severe action. If the County considers it abandoned, we can attach the property and pretty much do what we want with it until the bank settles all costs we have incurred. Pretty severe action, but we got tired listening to the bank's promises that it was going to be cleaned up and sold, none of which they have followed through with. We'll recoup our costs including management and attorney's fees for all of this before they can sell it. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 27, 2014, at 9:25 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: The HOA where my daughter lives managed to force one lot owner to go in and clean out dead wood and underbrush. Different state, but i think if the HOA was aggressive, they could do it. That would solve the problem, but there is so much of the undeveloped parts owned by people up north; not to mention the huge areas that belong to Prudential Insurance, it would be something of a nightmare trying to get everyone to comply. Gerry ___ All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
I thought you said it had an HOA? If so, there is only one board regardless of who owns what. Dan On Mar 27, 2014, at 8:21 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: This is sort of a unique subdivision which has two ruling bodies; one of which was formed in rebellion against the other. The owner of the subdivision (which is probably most of the vacant lots) is Prudential Insurance company. I get newsletters from two. This subdivision is so large, the post office is thinking about assigning it a separate zip code. About the only time someone will be accosted about a broken rule is if a neighbor complains. The advantage of having nearly all one acre lots is that people are seldom bothered by their neighbors. One resident described it as Having all the advantages of living in the country without the disadvantages of living in the city. Winn Dixie, restaurants, drug stores, etc. are ten minutes from me; a mall is 20 minutes, Walmart 15 minutes. It's the best place I've ever lived. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Ridge,_Citrus_County,_Florida http://pineridgeflorida.com/ Gerry On 3/27/2014 9:39 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Gerry, If the property is in Florida and there is an HOA in place under Florida law they can potentially fine, or if there is no provision for fines in the bylaws, pay to have the work done then either file a lien or a foreclosure action against the owner. This takes no votes on the part of the membership and would be a direct decision of the Board. Makes no difference if the owner is a bank or an individual. I would point out that banks usually take a dim view of liens being placed on their properties, and once done so, are usually quick to resolve any issues. At least that has been my experience as an HOA board member dealing with such. We have a bank owned property in our neighborhood that has yet to go to a short sale despite the bank attempting to do so on several occasions. It's in poor shape and has even has some vandalism from what we can see. At last week's Board meeting we directed the management company to have the property cleaned up and secured, as well as filing for abandonment with the County, which is a pretty severe action. If the County considers it abandoned, we can attach the property and pretty much do what we want with it until the bank settles all costs we have incurred. Pretty severe action, but we got tired listening to the bank's promises that it was going to be cleaned up and sold, none of which they have followed through with. We'll recoup our costs including management and attorney's fees for all of this before they can sell it. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 27, 2014, at 9:25 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: The HOA where my daughter lives managed to force one lot owner to go in and clean out dead wood and underbrush. Different state, but i think if the HOA was aggressive, they could do it. That would solve the problem, but there is so much of the undeveloped parts owned by people up north; not to mention the huge areas that belong to Prudential Insurance, it would be something of a nightmare trying to get everyone to comply. Gerry ___ All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
Wow that's a big place.. and only two entrances. I bet the traffic at shift change can be challenging. However, I think I saw in the wiki article that the median age is in the 60's .. 70% of the people were over 45. So maybe not so crowded at the gate (c: There were 2,355 households out of which . 22.0% were non-families. 18.4% of all households were made up of individuals I'm suprised the 'non families' are not up in arms against the wiki boys (c: On Thursday, March 27, 2014 8:21 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: This is sort of a unique subdivision which has two ruling bodies; one of which was formed in rebellion against the other. The owner of the subdivision (which is probably most of the vacant lots) is Prudential Insurance company. I get newsletters from two. This subdivision is so large, the post office is thinking about assigning it a separate zip code. About the only time someone will be accosted about a broken rule is if a neighbor complains. The advantage of having nearly all one acre lots is that people are seldom bothered by their neighbors. One resident described it as Having all the advantages of living in the country without the disadvantages of living in the city. Winn Dixie, restaurants, drug stores, etc. are ten minutes from me; a mall is 20 minutes, Walmart 15 minutes. It's the best place I've ever lived. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Ridge,_Citrus_County,_Florida http://pineridgeflorida.com/ Gerry On 3/27/2014 9:39 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Gerry, If the property is in Florida and there is an HOA in place under Florida law they can potentially fine, or if there is no provision for fines in the bylaws, pay to have the work done then either file a lien or a foreclosure action against the owner. This takes no votes on the part of the membership and would be a direct decision of the Board. Makes no difference if the owner is a bank or an individual. I would point out that banks usually take a dim view of liens being placed on their properties, and once done so, are usually quick to resolve any issues. At least that has been my experience as an HOA board member dealing with such. We have a bank owned property in our neighborhood that has yet to go to a short sale despite the bank attempting to do so on several occasions. It's in poor shape and has even has some vandalism from what we can see. At last week's Board meeting we directed the management company to have the property cleaned up and secured, as well as filing for abandonment with the County, which is a pretty severe action. If the County considers it abandoned, we can attach the property and pretty much do what we want with it until the bank settles all costs we have incurred. Pretty severe action, but we got tired listening to the bank's promises that it was going to be cleaned up and sold, none of which they have followed through with. We'll recoup our costs including management and attorney's fees for all of this before they can sell it. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 27, 2014, at 9:25 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: The HOA where my daughter lives managed to force one lot owner to go in and clean out dead wood and underbrush. Different state, but i think if the HOA was aggressive, they could do it. That would solve the problem, but there is so much of the undeveloped parts owned by people up north; not to mention the huge areas that belong to Prudential Insurance, it would be something of a nightmare trying to get everyone to comply. Gerry ___ All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
[MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
The local restrictions here are probably necessary because of constant dry conditions and the subdivision being heavily forested with houses built among the trees. The underbrush is like tinder. Gerry Y'all need to do controlled burns to eliminate the fuel and eliminate some of the brush. It does an excellent job around here with the state promoted invasive weed, multiflora rose. The fire kills them dead. They have a lot of oil in the bark, and it burns slowly, but nicely. Natives like oak and hickory and gooseberries thrive on the burned areas. Around here DNR provides training and planning for controlled burn. Either that or go out and pick up and burn or mulch/compost the underbrush fuel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
On 3/26/2014 10:09 AM, Dieselhead wrote: The local restrictions here are probably necessary because of constant dry conditions and the subdivision being heavily forested with houses built among the trees. The underbrush is like tinder. Gerry Y'all need to do controlled burns to eliminate the fuel and eliminate some of the brush. It does an excellent job around here with the state promoted invasive weed, multiflora rose. The fire kills them dead. They have a lot of oil in the bark, and it burns slowly, but nicely. Natives like oak and hickory and gooseberries thrive on the burned areas. Around here DNR provides training and planning for controlled burn. Either that or go out and pick up and burn or mulch/compost the underbrush fuel. ___ I wish we could do controlled burns, but I don't think you could do it in a large wooded subdivision of mostly one to five acre lots and a lot of standing dead trees on lots that don't have houses. I would guess that not more than one fourth of the lots have houses, and most of the remaing undeveloped lots are being held for investment and/or sale at very high prices. I don't believe the homeowners association could legally force the undeveloped lot owners to keep their wooded lots clear of underbrush. I keep my wooded lot clear of underbrush but many don't. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
You have native gooseberries?? WTF. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:00 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: On 3/26/2014 10:09 AM, Dieselhead wrote: The local restrictions here are probably necessary because of constant dry conditions and the subdivision being heavily forested with houses built among the trees. The underbrush is like tinder. Gerry Y'all need to do controlled burns to eliminate the fuel and eliminate some of the brush. It does an excellent job around here with the state promoted invasive weed, multiflora rose. The fire kills them dead. They have a lot of oil in the bark, and it burns slowly, but nicely. Natives like oak and hickory and gooseberries thrive on the burned areas. Around here DNR provides training and planning for controlled burn. Either that or go out and pick up and burn or mulch/compost the underbrush fuel. ___ I wish we could do controlled burns, but I don't think you could do it in a large wooded subdivision of mostly one to five acre lots and a lot of standing dead trees on lots that don't have houses. I would guess that not more than one fourth of the lots have houses, and most of the remaing undeveloped lots are being held for investment and/or sale at very high prices. I don't believe the homeowners association could legally force the undeveloped lot owners to keep their wooded lots clear of underbrush. I keep my wooded lot clear of underbrush but many don't. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
___ I wish we could do controlled burns, but I don't think you could do it in a large wooded subdivision of mostly one to five acre lots and a lot of standing dead trees on lots that don't have houses. I would guess that not more than one fourth of the lots have houses, and most of the remaing undeveloped lots are being held for investment and/or sale at very high prices. I don't believe the homeowners association could legally force the undeveloped lot owners to keep their wooded lots clear of underbrush. I keep my wooded lot clear of underbrush but many don't. Gerry The HOA where my daughter lives managed to force one lot owner to go in and clean out dead wood and underbrush. Different state, but i think if the HOA was aggressive, they could do it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Restrictions/fire hazards
Not a real problem to have a controlled burn in an area like that. We had one last year. I was super impressed. The NC Forestry Service pulled it off, had a whole bunch of guys in yellow suits and stuff, and trucks everywhere, and one big yellow helicopter. The helicopter shot fire balls, like a video game, every 50 yards or so, and the guys running the fire line started with the wind to their backs, using what looked like tomato sprayers, but fire came out and brush disappeared. They burned 75 acres, and were done in less than 2 hours. Prep included a fire brake done with a track hoe/plow/bush machine. It cuts a swath about 10 yards wide, and wider when the trees might allow the fire to skip over. This monster would cut down trees in the way, and plow the earth under them to some where around 2 feet.. big bottom plow attached to a digger/grader type.. sorta a bulldozer on steroids with a plow behind (c: I have pictures. Don't know how to attach them here. (c: Cheers Richard On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: You have native gooseberries?? WTF. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:00 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: On 3/26/2014 10:09 AM, Dieselhead wrote: The local restrictions here are probably necessary because of constant dry conditions and the subdivision being heavily forested with houses built among the trees. The underbrush is like tinder. Gerry Y'all need to do controlled burns to eliminate the fuel and eliminate some of the brush. It does an excellent job around here with the state promoted invasive weed, multiflora rose. The fire kills them dead. They have a lot of oil in the bark, and it burns slowly, but nicely. Natives like oak and hickory and gooseberries thrive on the burned areas. Around here DNR provides training and planning for controlled burn. Either that or go out and pick up and burn or mulch/compost the underbrush fuel. ___ I wish we could do controlled burns, but I don't think you could do it in a large wooded subdivision of mostly one to five acre lots and a lot of standing dead trees on lots that don't have houses. I would guess that not more than one fourth of the lots have houses, and most of the remaing undeveloped lots are being held for investment and/or sale at very high prices. I don't believe the homeowners association could legally force the undeveloped lot owners to keep their wooded lots clear of underbrush. I keep my wooded lot clear of underbrush but many don't. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
