Re: [MBZ] Demineralised water (was Zerex G-05) in cars that don't need it
I think Marshall's argument was that the coolant is designed to the correct pH when mixed with tap water...something about buffering...and if you used distilled water, it would not balance right. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think that was what he said. Apologies to Marshall if I'm not remembering correctly. Since water is different everywhere, pH and mineral wise, I can't see how that argument works. Oh yeah, he also said (and we all agreed) that the pH of distilled water is acidic and that is bad. I argued that with distilled water, you have a known starting point and can formulate the coolant accordingly. -Chris dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would be in tap water that would make it better than distilled? Chlorine and fluoride? Around here we get a good dose of heavy metals, PCB's, any who knows what else from lake Erie. Oh, and don't forget the yearly outbreak of E-Coli when they close Edgewater Park. -Dave Walton 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300 On 9/10/06, Christopher McCann wrote: It was distilled water. Marshall and I went back and forth on this for a while. The conclusion was that two maps were produced of the US - one from MBUSA and the other from the USGS. If you live in an area with high mineral content in the water (I forget what concentration), then use distilled. I'm in Kansas City, and I use distilled - HIGH mineral content hear. Other places it is not necessary. Marshall was pretty adamantly against distilled, but MBUSA, in their newsletter to Indy's recommended it for areas with high mineral content water...actually, I think they recommended it everywhere. Marshall argued that the coolant was not oroginally designed for distilled water. I countered that the formula may have been changed the rec may have been rethought for some reason. THAT question was never resolved. Chris OK Don wrote: Marshal gave us a detailed analysis of why not (or was it distilled water?) a while back. I don't remember the details, but I think it came down to 'if it's safe to drink, it's OK for the car'. If in doubt, the bottled drinking water sounds like a very good solution. On 9/9/06, Desert Rat wrote: Same issue here Hendrik, although our high mineral content with natural hot water is great for the pools. For that reason, I use store bought drinking water for my radiators and batteries. Read somewhere not to use demineralized water. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 216K, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K, little blue klatter box -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, One Banger - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 216K, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K, little blue klatter box -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, One Banger - Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Sep 11 00:15:46 2006 Received: from 70-184-22-178.atlasok.com ([70.184.22.178] helo=[192.168.0.100]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GMZSj-0008Up-Qt for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:15:46 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:15:37 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cheap 116(?) gasser in Iowa
Re: [MBZ] Demineralised water (was Zerex G-05) in cars that don't need it
Christopher McCann wrote: Since water is different everywhere, pH and mineral wise, I can't see how that argument works. Oh yeah, he also said (and we all agreed) that the pH of distilled water is acidic and that is bad. I argued that with distilled water, you have a known starting point and can formulate the coolant accordingly. I think in most municipal water systems the tap water is slightly basic, to reduce corrosion in pipes. Federal regulations require a range of 6.5 to 8.5, IIRC. Once upon a time, VW blamed hard tap water in the U.S. for head corrosion problems and head gasket leaks on Vanagons, and recommended that only distilled water be used with their special coolant. I have my doubts, though. I tend to think the corrosion was secondary -- the head gaskets would start weeping and this would lead to corrosion of the head sealing surface and a bigger leak.
Re: [MBZ] Demineralised water (was Zerex G-05) in cars that don't need it
Hendrik Riessen wrote: While we are talking cool juice, is it alright to use demineralised water in conjuntion with coolant? Sure. I know peole who won't use anything but distilled, for exactly the reasons you mention.
[MBZ] Demineralised water (was Zerex G-05) in cars that don't need it
While we are talking cool juice, is it alright to use demineralised water in conjuntion with coolant? The tap water in Adelaide is notoriously full of all sorts of crap, I'd drink it but am worried it will leave all sorts of stuff in the cooling system. - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Zerex G-05 in cars that don't need it So by MB stuff you mean the actual stuff from the dealer, not a supposedly suitable replacement such as G-05? Supposedly G05 _is_ the MB stuff. So the answer to your other question is color. I get it at NAPA. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 8/09/2006
Re: [MBZ] Demineralised water (was Zerex G-05) in cars that don't need it
Same issue here Hendrik, although our high mineral content with natural hot water is great for the pools. For that reason, I use store bought drinking water for my radiators and batteries. Read somewhere not to use demineralized water. On 9/9/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While we are talking cool juice, is it alright to use demineralised water in conjuntion with coolant? The tap water in Adelaide is notoriously full of all sorts of crap, I'd drink it but am worried it will leave all sorts of stuff in the cooling system. - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Zerex G-05 in cars that don't need it So by MB stuff you mean the actual stuff from the dealer, not a supposedly suitable replacement such as G-05? Supposedly G05 _is_ the MB stuff. So the answer to your other question is color. I get it at NAPA. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 8/09/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500SEL 143K Stardust 1996 Sidekick 57K Kermit 1992 500SL 109K The Flying Plum
Re: [MBZ] Demineralised water (was Zerex G-05) in cars that don't need it
Marshal gave us a detailed analysis of why not (or was it distilled water?) a while back. I don't remember the details, but I think it came down to 'if it's safe to drink, it's OK for the car'. If in doubt, the bottled drinking water sounds like a very good solution. On 9/9/06, Desert Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same issue here Hendrik, although our high mineral content with natural hot water is great for the pools. For that reason, I use store bought drinking water for my radiators and batteries. Read somewhere not to use demineralized water. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Demineralised water (was Zerex G-05) in cars that don't need it
It was distilled water. Marshall and I went back and forth on this for a while. The conclusion was that two maps were produced of the US - one from MBUSA and the other from the USGS. If you live in an area with high mineral content in the water (I forget what concentration), then use distilled. I'm in Kansas City, and I use distilled - HIGH mineral content hear. Other places it is not necessary. Marshall was pretty adamantly against distilled, but MBUSA, in their newsletter to Indy's recommended it for areas with high mineral content water...actually, I think they recommended it everywhere. Marshall argued that the coolant was not oroginally designed for distilled water. I countered that the formula may have been changed the rec may have been rethought for some reason. THAT question was never resolved. Chris OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marshal gave us a detailed analysis of why not (or was it distilled water?) a while back. I don't remember the details, but I think it came down to 'if it's safe to drink, it's OK for the car'. If in doubt, the bottled drinking water sounds like a very good solution. On 9/9/06, Desert Rat wrote: Same issue here Hendrik, although our high mineral content with natural hot water is great for the pools. For that reason, I use store bought drinking water for my radiators and batteries. Read somewhere not to use demineralized water. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 216K, Wulf -1982 300Dt, 117K, little blue klatter box -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, One Banger - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Sep 10 20:11:21 2006 Received: from web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.69.20]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GMVeC-000351-OC for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:11:21 + Received: (qmail 9730 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2006 20:11:11 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [24.145.164.15] by web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:11:11 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:11:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Frybird; why? (was: Re: To Veggie or Not) X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:11:21 - A co-worker of mine got the frybrid system for his 300D. It was great, then we hired him and his commute dropped to about a mile. System switched to VO 2 blocks from work. He ended up selling it to a priest with a 240D who has a 350 mile commute every weekend. Chris LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have considered spending the $$$ to buy frybrid for my 240D. The only issue is this -- my commute to work is about one mile, so by the time I could switch over to veggie I'd have arrived. Instead, I now drive my 50 mpg VW diesel to and from work, and let the Benz sit in the garage waiting for weekend road trips around Iowa. (And no, those miles don't justify the expense of going veggie.) D. On 9/9/06, ernest breakfield wrote: (i'm somewhat hesitant to ask this of someone who has the cult-oil Amsoil in their very e-mail address, but i'll bite anyway;) you say Frybird is the best; in light of the many opinions here and elsewhere to the contrary, would you care to explain why you'd say that? cheers! e Frybrid systems are the best hands down, PERIOD. Yeah the searching part is the hardest if I'm going to buy a 190D 5Sp. R- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list
Re: [MBZ] Demineralised water (was Zerex G-05) in cars that don't need it
Mix them if you have hard water, that will limit the minerals and not be as bad as distilled.. On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:34:46 -0500, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was distilled water. Marshall and I went back and forth on this for a while. The conclusion was that two maps were produced of the US - one from MBUSA and the other from the USGS. If you live in an area with high mineral content in the water (I forget what concentration), then use distilled. I'm in Kansas City, and I use distilled - HIGH mineral content hear. Other places it is not necessary. Marshall was pretty adamantly against distilled, but MBUSA, in their newsletter to Indy's recommended it for areas with high mineral content water...actually, I think they recommended it everywhere. Marshall argued that the coolant was not oroginally designed for distilled water. I countered that the formula may have been changed the rec may have been rethought for some reason. THAT question was never resolved. Chris -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (236 kmi) '82 300CD (160 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work
