Re: [MBZ] Need a key everything works good , As is car 1998 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 500 Roadster 2D, $4, 500
The facelift R129 and W140 are equally affected, and yes, EIS uses RFID from the key or fob to allow the car to start and be driven. As I understand EIS, and I typically avoid anything related to it, in these cars there are 8 “slots” for keys in the system. Obviously, the keys supplied with the car are the first. Every time a new key is added, it takes up a “slot,” meaning that once you get a total of 8 different keys made, you’re done, not that this would be a consideration for nearly all drivers/owners. There are plenty of people who can “clone” a Mercedes key like this. Where the problem lies is in the future - as I understand it, when EIS “sees” another “new” key, but not an “official” new key, it locks out all the remaining slots, but will allow the clone to work. Any slots left over are no longer available. So cloning a key could certainly do the job for most, but it’s a one-time, last ditch, "I better not lose this key” situation. If anyone has corrections or additions to this process, I’m all ears. I’ve had it explained to me casually by a dealer tech once, so that’s what I’m going from. -D > On May 8, 2024, at 9:53 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > MB (or DBAG) needs to make the tech open source ad let the matrix build new > analogs. It’s basically some kind of RFID or coded RF signal. I’m not sure > the 129 key itself is actually coded but obviously the fob has something in > it. > > My buddy had some little box that could read the RF signal from a later Benz > fob and duplicate it in another fob “blank” you can buy on Amazon or wherever > but the issue seems to be the tech in these particular fobs although I’m not > sure. Cars with the earlier EIS needed that unit to make a duplicate but I > think later cars like the keyless go versions are just a RF code that can be > copied and written. He said he could make them for me if I got the virgin > blanks. Once flashed the fob can’t be reused. He made me a new key for the > R500, those blanks are like $10. I found the keyless go blank for $40 or $50 > from some vendor, he said they were on eBay and Amazon too but I searched and > it wasn’t clear what was what. > > He told me that basically if the key is close to the cloning device the key > can be copied which has all kinds of issues with theft etc. so if he would be > sitting next to someone who has a key in pocket or purse he could clone the > key in just a couple minutes. Scary huh? > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >> On May 8, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> That seems even sillier. If MB can make the cars, then they can make the >> parts including keys if they want to. >> >> There must also be some form of work-around possible. >> >> Randy >> >> >>> On 08/05/2024 11:31 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>> I’m sure Jamie could provide background if he had time, but as I understand >>> it, they couldn’t find a vendor who would/could make them. >>> >>> -D >>> > On May 8, 2024, at 9:15 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: That is truly ridiculous. Mercedes should step up and make things like that readily available. Randy > On 08/05/2024 11:09 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > Fobs are for sure, not sure about the “Mickey Mouse” hard key with the > RFID chips in it. Same with W140s and W163s, too. > > -D > >>> On May 8, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes >>> wrote: >> I think keys for R129s are pretty much unobtainium. Plus it looks rough. >> >> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1549645479227404 >> >> -- >> --FT >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need a key everything works good , As is car 1998 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 500 Roadster 2D, $4, 500
Is there no tuner community for MB? In the VW world I can contact Malone and have the "tune out" the immobilizer for my car if I so desire. This is done mostly to allow transplanting the engine into a non-VW chassis like putting a TDI in a Jeep, but AFAIK can be done for any VW. I can also buy aftermarket keys for VWs, for most years anyway, that can pretty easily be coded to my car with a cheap USB cable. I'm surprised how little aftermarket support there is for MB. -Curt On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:54:23 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: MB (or DBAG) needs to make the tech open source ad let the matrix build new analogs. It’s basically some kind of RFID or coded RF signal. I’m not sure the 129 key itself is actually coded but obviously the fob has something in it. My buddy had some little box that could read the RF signal from a later Benz fob and duplicate it in another fob “blank” you can buy on Amazon or wherever but the issue seems to be the tech in these particular fobs although I’m not sure. Cars with the earlier EIS needed that unit to make a duplicate but I think later cars like the keyless go versions are just a RF code that can be copied and written. He said he could make them for me if I got the virgin blanks. Once flashed the fob can’t be reused. He made me a new key for the R500, those blanks are like $10. I found the keyless go blank for $40 or $50 from some vendor, he said they were on eBay and Amazon too but I searched and it wasn’t clear what was what. He told me that basically if the key is close to the cloning device the key can be copied which has all kinds of issues with theft etc. so if he would be sitting next to someone who has a key in pocket or purse he could clone the key in just a couple minutes. Scary huh? --FT Sent from iFōn > On May 8, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > That seems even sillier. If MB can make the cars, then they can make the > parts including keys if they want to. > > There must also be some form of work-around possible. > > Randy > > >> On 08/05/2024 11:31 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> I’m sure Jamie could provide background if he had time, but as I understand >> it, they couldn’t find a vendor who would/could make them. >> >> -D >> On May 8, 2024, at 9:15 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> That is truly ridiculous. Mercedes should step up and make things like >>> that readily available. >>> >>> Randy >>> On 08/05/2024 11:09 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: Fobs are for sure, not sure about the “Mickey Mouse” hard key with the RFID chips in it. Same with W140s and W163s, too. -D >> On May 8, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes >> wrote: > I think keys for R129s are pretty much unobtainium. Plus it looks rough. > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1549645479227404 > > -- > --FT >>> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need a key everything works good , As is car 1998 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 500 Roadster 2D, $4, 500
MB (or DBAG) needs to make the tech open source ad let the matrix build new analogs. It’s basically some kind of RFID or coded RF signal. I’m not sure the 129 key itself is actually coded but obviously the fob has something in it. My buddy had some little box that could read the RF signal from a later Benz fob and duplicate it in another fob “blank” you can buy on Amazon or wherever but the issue seems to be the tech in these particular fobs although I’m not sure. Cars with the earlier EIS needed that unit to make a duplicate but I think later cars like the keyless go versions are just a RF code that can be copied and written. He said he could make them for me if I got the virgin blanks. Once flashed the fob can’t be reused. He made me a new key for the R500, those blanks are like $10. I found the keyless go blank for $40 or $50 from some vendor, he said they were on eBay and Amazon too but I searched and it wasn’t clear what was what. He told me that basically if the key is close to the cloning device the key can be copied which has all kinds of issues with theft etc. so if he would be sitting next to someone who has a key in pocket or purse he could clone the key in just a couple minutes. Scary huh? --FT Sent from iFōn > On May 8, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > That seems even sillier. If MB can make the cars, then they can make the > parts including keys if they want to. > > There must also be some form of work-around possible. > > Randy > > >> On 08/05/2024 11:31 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> I’m sure Jamie could provide background if he had time, but as I understand >> it, they couldn’t find a vendor who would/could make them. >> >> -D >> On May 8, 2024, at 9:15 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> That is truly ridiculous. Mercedes should step up and make things like >>> that readily available. >>> >>> Randy >>> On 08/05/2024 11:09 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: Fobs are for sure, not sure about the “Mickey Mouse” hard key with the RFID chips in it. Same with W140s and W163s, too. -D >> On May 8, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes >> wrote: > I think keys for R129s are pretty much unobtainium. Plus it looks rough. > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1549645479227404 > > -- > --FT >>> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need a key everything works good , As is car 1998 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 500 Roadster 2D, $4, 500
That seems even sillier. If MB can make the cars, then they can make the parts including keys if they want to. There must also be some form of work-around possible. Randy On 08/05/2024 11:31 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: I’m sure Jamie could provide background if he had time, but as I understand it, they couldn’t find a vendor who would/could make them. -D On May 8, 2024, at 9:15 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: That is truly ridiculous. Mercedes should step up and make things like that readily available. Randy On 08/05/2024 11:09 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: Fobs are for sure, not sure about the “Mickey Mouse” hard key with the RFID chips in it. Same with W140s and W163s, too. -D On May 8, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: I think keys for R129s are pretty much unobtainium. Plus it looks rough. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1549645479227404 -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need a key everything works good , As is car 1998 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 500 Roadster 2D, $4, 500
I’m sure Jamie could provide background if he had time, but as I understand it, they couldn’t find a vendor who would/could make them. -D > On May 8, 2024, at 9:15 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > That is truly ridiculous. Mercedes should step up and make things like that > readily available. > > Randy > >> On 08/05/2024 11:09 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> Fobs are for sure, not sure about the “Mickey Mouse” hard key with the RFID >> chips in it. Same with W140s and W163s, too. >> >> -D >> On May 8, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> I think keys for R129s are pretty much unobtainium. Plus it looks rough. >>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1549645479227404 >>> >>> -- >>> --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need a key everything works good , As is car 1998 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 500 Roadster 2D, $4, 500
That is truly ridiculous. Mercedes should step up and make things like that readily available. Randy On 08/05/2024 11:09 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: Fobs are for sure, not sure about the “Mickey Mouse” hard key with the RFID chips in it. Same with W140s and W163s, too. -D On May 8, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: I think keys for R129s are pretty much unobtainium. Plus it looks rough. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1549645479227404 -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need a key everything works good , As is car 1998 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 500 Roadster 2D, $4, 500
Fobs are for sure, not sure about the “Mickey Mouse” hard key with the RFID chips in it. Same with W140s and W163s, too. -D > On May 8, 2024, at 7:47 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > I think keys for R129s are pretty much unobtainium. Plus it looks rough. > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1549645479227404 > > -- > --FT > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Need a key everything works good , As is car 1998 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 500 Roadster 2D, $4, 500
I think keys for R129s are pretty much unobtainium. Plus it looks rough. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1549645479227404 -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
