Re: [MBZ] Now PV Re: Italian tune up with a turbo CIUIHBshDy
You mean 10 deg F? On Mar 21, 2016 4:04 PM, "clay via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Box solar is not the bestest for pool heating. I used to sell a system > that used coiled black tubing that did a bang up job of kicking up pool > therms. You want lots of surface area and time under the photons for > caloric increase. The tubes were 0.5" to 2cm OD, depending on load, coiled > into 8' circles with 0.25 inch gaps. Mount on a southern rooftop in series > of four to how many you could fit. Plumb it into the outlet end of the > filtration system, upgrade the pump by 0.5HP to 1HP to get the head > needed. Plumb back in a few feet down stream from the heater. On a > cloudless day you can boost temps by 10*c in a few hours. > > > > clay > > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap > 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers > > > > > > > > > On Mar 21, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > > I have a solar blanket but it's a PIA to take it on and off. Also, the > > pool is irregularly shaped so the cover is in two pieces. :( > > > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> Them are easy. You can make your own with a couple sheets of plywood and > >> black plastic tubing... > >> Google DIY Pool heater. > >> Actually they make little floaty pillow things that will help heat the > >> pool too. > >> -Curt > >> > >> From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com> > >> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> > >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:23 PM > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Now PV Re: Italian tune up with a turbo > CIUIHBshDy > >> > >> I'd also like to install solar hot water for my income-draining pool... > >> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Dad installed 100w of solar at camp last summer, he's going to double > that > >> in the spring, in the summer time it meets our limited needs, in the > fall > >> not so much. I think we should go directly to 300w but he likes to try > to > >> do stuff on the cheap... > >> At our house we really only have one small roof that has good solar > >> exposure, I intend to put solar hot water on it but we require a roof > and > >> furnace upgrade before we get there. With all of those upgrades I > expect to > >> cut our oil usage by 1/3 at least if not 1/2. Those savings should pay > for > >> all of the upgrades in 5-7 years. From a straight energy standpoint PV > is > >> still kinda fishy solar hot water makes good sense... > >> -Curt > >> > >> From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com> > >> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:01 PM > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Now PV Re: Italian tune up with a turbo > CIUIHBshDy > >> > >> Maryland is one of the most solar-friendly states. Pepco MUST buy every > >> kilowatt produced, even if it exceeds personal usage. They cut the > >> homeowner a check after 12 months if that's the case. I'm going to go > all > >> in. > >> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> Southern states are generally pretty lame about PV, their politicians > are > >> in the pocket of the electric companies. > >> The electric utilities need to fix their rectal/cranial inversions and > >> realize they're electron distribution companies not providers anymore. > PV > >> prices are coming down rapidly and point of use creation makes way more > >> sense than a few big plants. We'll still need base load generation for > >> decades but they can't drag their heels on solar or they risk going the > way > >> of newspapers... > >> -Curt > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now PV Re: Italian tune up with a turbo CIUIHBshDy
Box solar is not the bestest for pool heating. I used to sell a system that used coiled black tubing that did a bang up job of kicking up pool therms. You want lots of surface area and time under the photons for caloric increase. The tubes were 0.5" to 2cm OD, depending on load, coiled into 8' circles with 0.25 inch gaps. Mount on a southern rooftop in series of four to how many you could fit. Plumb it into the outlet end of the filtration system, upgrade the pump by 0.5HP to 1HP to get the head needed. Plumb back in a few feet down stream from the heater. On a cloudless day you can boost temps by 10*c in a few hours. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Mar 21, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > I have a solar blanket but it's a PIA to take it on and off. Also, the > pool is irregularly shaped so the cover is in two pieces. :( > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Them are easy. You can make your own with a couple sheets of plywood and >> black plastic tubing... >> Google DIY Pool heater. >> Actually they make little floaty pillow things that will help heat the >> pool too. >> -Curt >> >> From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com> >> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Now PV Re: Italian tune up with a turbo CIUIHBshDy >> >> I'd also like to install solar hot water for my income-draining pool... >> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >> Dad installed 100w of solar at camp last summer, he's going to double that >> in the spring, in the summer time it meets our limited needs, in the fall >> not so much. I think we should go directly to 300w but he likes to try to >> do stuff on the cheap... >> At our house we really only have one small roof that has good solar >> exposure, I intend to put solar hot water on it but we require a roof and >> furnace upgrade before we get there. With all of those upgrades I expect to >> cut our oil usage by 1/3 at least if not 1/2. Those savings should pay for >> all of the upgrades in 5-7 years. From a straight energy standpoint PV is >> still kinda fishy solar hot water makes good sense... >> -Curt >> >> From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com> >> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Now PV Re: Italian tune up with a turbo CIUIHBshDy >> >> Maryland is one of the most solar-friendly states. Pepco MUST buy every >> kilowatt produced, even if it exceeds personal usage. They cut the >> homeowner a check after 12 months if that's the case. I'm going to go all >> in. >> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Southern states are generally pretty lame about PV, their politicians are >> in the pocket of the electric companies. >> The electric utilities need to fix their rectal/cranial inversions and >> realize they're electron distribution companies not providers anymore. PV >> prices are coming down rapidly and point of use creation makes way more >> sense than a few big plants. We'll still need base load generation for >> decades but they can't drag their heels on solar or they risk going the way >> of newspapers... >> -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now PV Re: Italian tune up with a turbo CIUIHBshDy
I was reading an article about grid collapse. The way the grid is run now there is a greater chance of mass blackouts due to minor failures in the system that cascade as power is shunted to lines that are unable to handle the capacity. Having the option to pull the switch and go off grid would be a nice way to weather that calamity. PNW was selling electrons to CA while the brown outs were going on. Local utility was making big bank on the spot market for months. All the Eco power is not base load, so creates chaos as it tries to get on the grid. The propellor farms sit idle at times while hearty winds are blowing to either appease the hydro producers or for lack of ability to move electrons where the need is greater. Three big grids in North America. Providing power to most of urban Canada, USA and a bunch of Mexico. East, West, and TX. We need to find a better way. clay On Mar 21, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > Southern states are generally pretty lame about PV, their politicians are in > the pocket of the electric companies. > The electric utilities need to fix their rectal/cranial inversions and > realize they're electron distribution companies not providers anymore. PV > prices are coming down rapidly and point of use creation makes way more sense > than a few big plants. We'll still need base load generation for decades but > they can't drag their heels on solar or they risk going the way of > newspapers... > -Curt > > From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 12:12 PM > Subject: [MBZ] Fwd: Now PV Re: Italian tune up with a turbo CIUIHBshDy > > banned again... > > > Forwarded Message > Subject: Now PV Re: [MBZ] Italian tune up with a turbo > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 12:02:04 -0400 > From: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > > > > I had thought about it when I was putting the addition on the house but > we live in the woods so insolation is fairly limited through most of the > day. SC finally passed a law a coupla years ago where residential solar > made sense though the (state-owned) power company puts various fees on > it. I belong to a rural co-op, not sure what their deal is. > > --R > > On 3/21/16 11:01 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: >> Good incentives for wind and solar manufacturers and installers, though. >> >> BTW - anyone install solar PV (photovoltaic) panels on their roof top yet? >> . >> >> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> Oregon is a beautiful place, but... >>>> It's pretty amazing how folks vote for their own detriment, time, and >>>> time again >>>> >>> Oregon is a strange place. A largely rural state, politically it >>> is dominated by the knot of folks in the Portland/Salem corridor, >>> and they're as left-leaning as they come. >>> >>> Watch Portlandia some time. >>> >>> -- Jim > > _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
