Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

[MG via Mercedes]

As far as I can remember the transaxle was the same. The only 
difference was the axles themselves. The reduction box was there 
more to give better power from the same engine because of the 
weight carrying capabilities of the bus.


We used to drive from Westchester up to the Catskills a lot of 
weekends to get flagstones out of the rivers and sides of the 
hills up there. We would load the back of the bus from the rear 
seat all the way to the front wall up to the level of the seat 
with those slabs. All were neatly stacked in. Dad and I built a 
large patio at the back of the house with those.


Needless to say the bus (both 64 and the 67 when we bought that 
new) went really slow going up the hills coming back loaded. 
Trick was to pick up as much speed as possible on the downhill 
run without running off the road in the curves. Good training for 
road racing. Learned all about using the whole road in a curve 
from the outside to the inside and back to the outside over both 
lanes on your side of the four-lane. Not as much traffic back 
then as there is now.


All of those old VWs did good offroad due to the engine and 
transaxle being in the back. They were after all developed during 
WWII for that very purpose.


Attached is a picture of an original ca/trailer developed by VW 
back then for the recovery of the original buses and cars if they 
broke down during testing. They also made 4x4 versions of the bug 
used as military command cars.


Manfred




Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 21:41:57 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 

I was just guessing base on memories that are nearly 50 years 
old.  I was surprised when I discovered them at the time, and 
when I started researching (at the time) I thought I came across 
something that said they were 1:1 and just there to increase 
ground clearance.


That would suggest that the transaxles for the bus were different 
from the car, as they would have factored into the final drive?


Only bus I ever had, and during a period of time when I was not 
what one would considered ?clear headed?, so I?m not surprised I 
was unaware of this.  Understand that my barn door bus was 
painted dark green and had ?Der Party Vagon? airbrushed in white 
Old English lettering on the sides, courtesy of a good friend who 
frequented our home shop for the air supply to do her airbrush art.


I will say that with the set of snow wires off my Mom?s 1974 
Impala Custom Coupe on the rear wheels that bus would go just 
about anywhere.  I off roaded in it regularly, both on purpose 
and not on purpose.


'nuf said.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s a pretty close approximation.  Just lose the skateboards.

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

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‎http://youtu.be/uWiYphJUS7Q

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Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Hippie Martha!   Whoda thunk it?



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
October 3, 2016 at 8:45 PM
I would add that my bus had a 1200cc mill in it, and it would go for 
what seemed like weeks on a tank of gas. No gauge, just the sump. Knob 
in the center console as I recall. Engine started to sputter, pull out 
the knob and you were good for another 30-40 miles or more.


Had a cool overhead console, too. Originally there was an air duct 
there to send air from under the roof at the front of the cab to the 
passenger area. I took the cover off this and put some gauges and a 
stereo up there.


Peace, man.





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Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would add that my bus had a 1200cc mill in it, and it would go for what 
seemed like weeks on a tank of gas.  No gauge, just the sump.  Knob in the 
center console as I recall.  Engine started to sputter, pull out the knob and 
you were good for another 30-40 miles or more.

Had a cool overhead console, too.  Originally there was an air duct there to 
send air from under the roof at the front of the cab to the passenger area.  I 
took the cover off this and put some gauges and a stereo up there.

Peace, man.


> On Oct 3, 2016, at 9:41 PM, Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com> wrote:
> 
> I was just guessing base on memories that are nearly 50 years old.  I was 
> surprised when I discovered them at the time, and when I started researching 
> (at the time) I thought I came across something that said they were 1:1 and 
> just there to increase ground clearance.
> 
> That would suggest that the transaxles for the bus were different from the 
> car, as they would have factored into the final drive?
> 
> Only bus I ever had, and during a period of time when I was not what one 
> would considered “clear headed”, so I’m not surprised I was unaware of this.  
> Understand that my barn door bus was painted dark green and had “Der Party 
> Vagon” airbrushed in white Old English lettering on the sides, courtesy of a 
> good friend who frequented our home shop for the air supply to do her 
> airbrush art.
> 
> I will say that with the set of snow wires off my Mom’s 1974 Impala Custom 
> Coupe on the rear wheels that bus would go just about anywhere.  I off roaded 
> in it regularly, both on purpose and not on purpose.
> 
> 'nuf said.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh hey that reminds me:http://www.vintagebus.com/busfaq.html
>> contradicts Dan's contention that they weren't reduction boxes. I wonder if 
>> he's had some different gears to have it not reduce? I found another site 
>> that even lists the gearing options that could be had...
>> -Curt
>> 
>> From: MG via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
>> Cc: trainpain2...@aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus
>> 
>> That's what I did for my Mom years ago with an 84 bus. It also 
>> had a 5 speed transmission. She loved it. Used crow about blowing 
>> away some old guy in a big boat Cadillac that was just stumbling 
>> along at 45 or 50 in a 55 zone. Said she never would have been 
>> able to do that with the old engine in it.
>> 
>> Manfred
>> 
>> 
>>> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:36:54 + (UTC)
>>> From: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> 
>>> The split window busses had gear reduction boxes at the rear wheels for 
>>> extra gearing and aren't bad around town. Put a 2000cc Porsche engine in 
>>> one for a real sleeper...
>>> Curt
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Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I was just guessing base on memories that are nearly 50 years old.  I was 
surprised when I discovered them at the time, and when I started researching 
(at the time) I thought I came across something that said they were 1:1 and 
just there to increase ground clearance.

That would suggest that the transaxles for the bus were different from the car, 
as they would have factored into the final drive?

Only bus I ever had, and during a period of time when I was not what one would 
considered “clear headed”, so I’m not surprised I was unaware of this.  
Understand that my barn door bus was painted dark green and had “Der Party 
Vagon” airbrushed in white Old English lettering on the sides, courtesy of a 
good friend who frequented our home shop for the air supply to do her airbrush 
art.

I will say that with the set of snow wires off my Mom’s 1974 Impala Custom 
Coupe on the rear wheels that bus would go just about anywhere.  I off roaded 
in it regularly, both on purpose and not on purpose.

'nuf said.

Dan



> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Oh hey that reminds me:http://www.vintagebus.com/busfaq.html
> contradicts Dan's contention that they weren't reduction boxes. I wonder if 
> he's had some different gears to have it not reduce? I found another site 
> that even lists the gearing options that could be had...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: MG via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
> Cc: trainpain2...@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus
> 
> That's what I did for my Mom years ago with an 84 bus. It also 
> had a 5 speed transmission. She loved it. Used crow about blowing 
> away some old guy in a big boat Cadillac that was just stumbling 
> along at 45 or 50 in a 55 zone. Said she never would have been 
> able to do that with the old engine in it.
> 
> Manfred
> 
> 
>> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:36:54 + (UTC)
>> From: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> 
>> The split window busses had gear reduction boxes at the rear wheels for 
>> extra gearing and aren't bad around town. Put a 2000cc Porsche engine in one 
>> for a real sleeper...
>> Curt
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Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Oh hey that reminds me:http://www.vintagebus.com/busfaq.html
contradicts Dan's contention that they weren't reduction boxes. I wonder if 
he's had some different gears to have it not reduce? I found another site that 
even lists the gearing options that could be had...
-Curt

  From: MG via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: trainpain2...@aol.com
 Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus
   
That's what I did for my Mom years ago with an 84 bus. It also 
had a 5 speed transmission. She loved it. Used crow about blowing 
away some old guy in a big boat Cadillac that was just stumbling 
along at 45 or 50 in a 55 zone. Said she never would have been 
able to do that with the old engine in it.

Manfred


> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:36:54 + (UTC)
> From: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> 
> The split window busses had gear reduction boxes at the rear wheels for extra 
> gearing and aren't bad around town. Put a 2000cc Porsche engine in one for a 
> real sleeper...
> Curt


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Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

[MG via Mercedes]

All the Buses up to the beginning of the 68 model had a reduction 
gear box at the wheels. It was never a 1:1 in there. The axle had 
a smaller gear and the wheel hub had a slightly bigger gear. I 
did way too much work on those things not to remember that.


Manfred



Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 20:43:40 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 

I had a 59 barn door van and it didn?t have gear reduction at the wheels as I 
recall, just 1:1 gearing to increase the ride height.  I?m not aware that these 
had gear reduction, but it?s been a long time since I wrenched on one.

Dan




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Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

[MG via Mercedes]

That's what I did for my Mom years ago with an 84 bus. It also 
had a 5 speed transmission. She loved it. Used crow about blowing 
away some old guy in a big boat Cadillac that was just stumbling 
along at 45 or 50 in a 55 zone. Said she never would have been 
able to do that with the old engine in it.


Manfred



Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:36:54 + (UTC)
From: Curt Raymond 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 

The split window busses had gear reduction boxes at the rear wheels for extra 
gearing and aren't bad around town. Put a 2000cc Porsche engine in one for a 
real sleeper...
Curt



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Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

could be.. or a flat 4 with very low testosterone and high estrogen 
showing Harley Davidson Syndrome.



Fred Moir via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
September 29, 2016 at 11:17 PM
Twin stacks = V8 ??


Fred Moir.
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Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>

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Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

The split window busses had gear reduction boxes at the rear wheels 
for extra gearing and aren't bad around town. Put a 2000cc Porsche 
engine in one for a real sleeper...

Curt

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On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: That's hilarious. I wonder 
whether it could climb any hill except in 1st

gear, no matter how gentle.
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September 29, 2016 at 2:48 PM
That's hilarious. I wonder whether it could climb any hill except in 1st
gear, no matter how gentle.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 04:17:00 + Fred Moir via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Twin stacks = V8 ??

No.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Twin stacks = V8 ??


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Sent: 30 September 2016 00:36
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Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

The split window busses had gear reduction boxes at the rear wheels for extra 
gearing and aren't bad around town. Put a 2000cc Porsche engine in one for a 
real sleeper...
Curt

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  On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   That's hilarious.  I wonder whether it 
could climb any hill except in 1st
gear, no matter how gentle.
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Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I had a 59 barn door van and it didn’t have gear reduction at the wheels as I 
recall, just 1:1 gearing to increase the ride height.  I’m not aware that these 
had gear reduction, but it’s been a long time since I wrenched on one.

Dan


> On Sep 29, 2016, at 8:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The split window busses had gear reduction boxes at the rear wheels for extra 
> gearing and aren't bad around town. Put a 2000cc Porsche engine in one for a 
> real sleeper...
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
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>  On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
> Mercedes wrote:   That's hilarious.  I wonder whether 
> it could climb any hill except in 1st
> gear, no matter how gentle.
> 
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The split window busses had gear reduction boxes at the rear wheels for extra 
gearing and aren't bad around town. Put a 2000cc Porsche engine in one for a 
real sleeper...
Curt

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That's hilarious.  I wonder whether it could climb any hill except in 1st
gear, no matter how gentle.

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