[meteorite-list] Kepler's Law -- correction
Hi Bob, > Orbital Mechanics! Woo Hoo! Let's see if I can oil up my > rusty memory of those bygone days in Physics Class ... > Take an asteroid with a semimajor axis of 3 AU (Astronomical > Units, the Earth-Sun distance, 93 million miles). This is > about average for the main belt. So we imagine a circular > orbit with a radius of 279 million miles. The circumference > would be 2Pi(r), or 1.75 billion miles. Kepler's Law gives > us the time it takes this critter to orbit the Sun. > P = Ka^3 where P = Period, K is a constant dependent on > the mass of the star, and a = the semimajor axis of the > orbit. Close -- the semi-major axis should be raised to the 3/2 power. > Since our star is the Sun, K is defined to have the value > of 1 (don't worry about units - they all work out). For > an a = 3 AU, the period is 27 years (3 cubed). So using the corrected equation, the actual period is the square-root of 27, or ~5.2 years... --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sacrifice
Steve Yes stating the prices created media attention. I was told that newspapers charge $50,000 dollars for a full page ad. Image that I had about two full pages and about 100,000 people who read all my articles. The Cleveland Plain Dealer alone has 300,000 readers. Purdue University was flooded with calls by people who thought they had a meteorite and Purdue is checking out a few.I was flooded with emails and calls. Purdue was very happy. By stating the prices ( the guy I work for owns $10,000 in posters. He did the Farrah Facwett poster. Anyway he told me that he would sell the posters for 1 million. I thought he is crazy. Then I realized he is a salesman and thats his "opinion" He generated sales over $120,000,000 million dollars from that poster.) I feel I created more people who will want to become collectors thus driving up the demand etc. I had nothing for X mass and felt the Lord lead me to this. It was the best X mass I have ever had:) We will recover Plymouth because it comes down to making a great sacrifice. The landowners told me at most some one only came back 3 times to search for Plymouth on 70 acres. Later at the end of this month after checking out a certain rumor to see if it is true or not. I will move to Plymouth and look over every inch of that property. I will survey it into 50 by 50 blocks and will have to go thru about 1,500 squares. No one wrote a book on how to do meteorites. I read in Nininger's book how one was put down a well. So I'm pursuing this too. Tons of people wrote saying you can't do that. They meant that THEY can't do it. I will not lie steal or cheat but I will use everything else to win...The rich people understand this stuff. They know that your THINKING a minds et emotions creates wealth and poverty As for light traveling 3/8 of inch this list has a lot of people on it that deal with this stuff. I need to know this for another meteorite project:) I t does bother me your bummed out and have to hunt meteorites in Indiana and that I made it harder for the rest... __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Specimen
Joseph, Thanks for the advice...I have a limited budget at this time, and am working through a list I have created of meteorites that my son and I like and would like to own. To be truthful I never dreamed of collecting meteorites until he took an interest in them when we stumbled on Meteoritecentral on night while surfing the net. I have found that the only way to be happy collecting anything is to collect what you like...not what your think would be good to collect. My wife and I sell collectibles and antiques on Ebay full time and deal with collectors who seem to drive themselves to distraction trying to complete a collection a certain way. I am doing it because I have loved Space since the 60's during my childhood. I am fascinated by meteorites and share this fascination with my 8 year old son. I have been blessed with a child that is "gifted". He is 2 grades above his grade level in most of his classes, and challenging him is not easy. He loves everything about Space and our Universe. We decided on the Allende together. We have 2 small Sikhotes, a nickel size slice of etched Gibeon that was donated to us, a couple of nice slices of Brahin, an unclassified Moroccan stone, a Slice of a Saharan and a big yellow Nantan. We are awestruck with the incredible odds that they defy just getting here and surviving to be found. It is something we enjoy together, that neither of us needs any particular skills to enjoy. I think it is important to make an impact in a childs life. I have been to his school to share our little wonders with his classmates, it was really cool to see the looks on all their faces. I tried to answer their questions, which was fairly easy since they are second grade students and none of the questions were too technical, let each of them hold all of them...probably one of the highpoints of my life. They sent home 28 thank you cards that they made and it was a real thrill. So you see we are hooked. Someday he will have something he can hold and remember growing up with his dad and spending time with me. Our collection will probably never be anything that great and hopefully one of the greatest treasures to him. Bright Blessings, Mark M. - Original Message - From: Joseph Murakami To: Mark Miconi Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Specimen Try Hartman's site http://www.meteorite1.com/ for the membrane boxes...the 1" size is reasonable, but the bigger ones get expensive real quickly. I would like to just comment to you that if you're interested in expanding your collection a lot, a strategy for what you want to collect becomes very important real quicklyotherwise, you can easily spend 5-10 thousand dollars and end up with a not-too-impressive collection. Do your research at the various sites 'n dealers from Meteorite Exchange http://www.meteorite.com/ and compare the sizes and prices of the specimens. You'll find that certain meteorites are relatively much cheaper than others...this also means that larger sizes are much more affordable...so for an impressive Carbonaceous chondrite of good size, there is no better specimen than an Allende. You can often trade up by unloading a specimen (if you bought it at a decent price) on Ebay, but that's a hassle. Therefore, I'd be careful about not picking up too many smallish specimens before deciding what you want to collect. Might I suggest aspiring for a nice Sikhote Alin, a good slice of Gibeon, a whole Campo del Cielo, but only a few L's and H's and LL's, probably the Saharans/African specimens that are available are a wonderful deal at less than $1/gram... Collectors begin to see that terrestrial weathering really takes away from the beauty of many specimens...so desert finds that are weathered, rusted are much less desirable... Good luck on you collection. Allende's are personally my favorite carbonaceous chondrite, CAI's and all... Joseph Honolulu From: Mark Miconi To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 3:03 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] New Specimen I just purchased a 1.5g slice of Allende for my personal collection. I can not wait to have it arrive. It is not a big piece but it is another named and classified sample for my small collection. I know this has been asked before ...where can I get a membrane box for it? I think this would be the best way to display it due to its size...or lack there of. Thanks in advance...Mark M.
[meteorite-list] Photos from Tucson
Hello All- I've put up a page with a few pictures from Tucson. Follow the link under my name and go to the bottom of the page. Bob Holmes www.meteoritebiz.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: 85 AD -2002 AD
Orbital Mechanics! Woo Hoo! Let's see if I can oil up my rusty memory of those bygone days in Physics Class (I'll jump in here and try to be helpful, since Mr. Nowak has kindly decided to not push the religious discussion brought up earlier). >The asteroid belt to my knowledge is 168,000,000 >million miles away from the Earth. If the average >speed of the meteoroid coming out of the belt where 10 >mph that would mean in 24 hours it traveled 240 miles >one week 1680 miles one year 87600 miles. In 100 years >876 miles To do 168,000,000 miles would take about >1917 years. So If I found a meteorite in 2002 the >meteoroid had to start itís journey in 85 A.D. (if >using AD - Anno Domini is to heavy for this list let >me know) I wanted to present this write up as a sales >pitch to the general public. Is this on or off track?? 10 mph is far,far too slow. Without using any serious equations, we can ballpark this. Take an asteroid with a semimajor axis of 3 AU (Astronomical Units, the Earth-Sun distance, 93 million miles). This is about average for the main belt. So we imagine a circular orbit with a radius of 279 million miles. The circumference would be 2Pi(r), or 1.75 billion miles. Kepler's Law gives us the time it takes this critter to orbit the Sun. P = Ka^3 where P = Period, K is a constant dependent on the mass of the star, and a = the semimajor axis of the orbit. Since our star is the Sun, K is defined to have the value of 1 (don't worry about units - they all work out). For an a = 3 AU, the period is 27 years (3 cubed). So our rock has to travel 1.75 billion miles in 27 years. There are 8760 hours in a year, or 237,000 hours in 27 years. 1.75 billion miles/237,000 hours gives us a speed of about 7380 mph. But this is all just to get us in the ballpark. It's the speed of a rock with a perfectly circular orbit with a 3 AU radius. It looks like Mr. Nowak wants the meteoroid to intersect the Earth's orbit and enter the atmosphere. Now we have elliptical orbits to deal with, since the rock will cross Earth's orbit and also spend time in the main belt. For this, the rock will have different speeds at different places in its orbit (in accordance with Kepler's Law of Equal Areas). To calculate this more exactly, one will need more information about the rock's orbit. Typically, meteoroids enter the atmosphere at over 30,000 mph, if that helps. >Here is another one that crossed my mind. If light >travels 18600 miles per second. How long will it >take in TIME for light to travel 3/8 of an inch??? You mean 186,000 miles per second for the speed of light. There are 5280 feet per mile (I think), 12 inches per feet. (186,000)x(5280)x(12) = 1.18 x 10^10 inches per light second. This is distance per unit time, but you want time per unit length, so just invert this quantity. (1)/(1.18 x 10^10) = 8.48 x 10^-11 seconds to travel one inch. Multiply this by 3/8 to get 3.18 x 10^-11 seconds. Unless I dropped a decimal somewhere, that should be correct. But why 3/8 of an inch? Hm Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ "I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion." -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Me, Einstein & Meteorites!
A suggestion: Go out and buy a copy of the book "Driving Mr. Albert: A trip across America with Einstein's Brain." It's a very bizarre true story about the Pathologist who removed Einstein's brain at his autopsy and kept it in various pieces in jars in his closet. >Message: 2 >Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From: "Julien Courtois" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:01:36 +0100 >Subject: [meteorite-list] Me, Einstein & Meteorites! > >Hello list, > >First of all, the very exciting new: I realized this week that I might live >now in the very same appartment that Mr. Albert Einstein occupied exactly >100 years ago (during 4 months). Same adress, same floor, not sure which >appartement (the local Einstein museum is checking that for me)! The >relativity theory wasn't developed here, but just 300 meters aways in 1905! > >Now the question: Did Mr. Einstein had an interest in meteorites? > >Regards, > >Julien Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ "I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion." -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Specimen
Ron, Thank you for your generous offer. I want to thank everyone on the list for their shared excitement and help. Thanks again Ron. Mark M. - Original Message - From: capricorn89 To: Mark Miconi Cc: James Hartman Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Specimen Hello Mark, Send me your address and I will be pleased to send you a complimentary membrane box for your Allende. Ron Hartman www.meteorite1.org - Original Message - From: Mark Miconi To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 5:03 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] New Specimen I just purchased a 1.5g slice of Allende for my personal collection. I can not wait to have it arrive. It is not a big piece but it is another named and classified sample for my small collection. I know this has been asked before ...where can I get a membrane box for it? I think this would be the best way to display it due to its size...or lack there of. Thanks in advance...Mark M.
[meteorite-list] Thank You
Thank You. That is the most intelligent answer I have ever gotten yet on the belt and meteorite time travel. Very down to Earth on how you presented the information. Rick __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Venus / Mercury Meteorites
Hi Rick, Might I suggest you check the list archives as we have been over that territory before. You can put in a search for Venus Meteorites and it should come up. Other wise I would be glad to try to find it in my archives :-( --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteoroids from the asteroid belt to earth
Hi Rick, > The asteroid belt to my knowledge is 168,000,000 > million miles away from the Earth. I assume you're talking about the closest part of the "belt", or maybe the average distance. The belt is actually VERY wide, so some parts of it are quite a bit closer than others. And of course, there are many hundreds of asteroids in earth-crossing orbits: orbits that are elliptical, with their perihelions closer to the sun than earth, but their aphelions further than Mars. But continuing with your thought: > If the average speed of the meteoroid coming out of the belt > where 10 mph that would mean in 24 hours it traveled 240 miles > one week 1680 miles one year 87600 miles. In 100 years 876 > miles To do 168,000,000 miles would take about 1917 years. So > If I found a meteorite in 2002 the meteoroid had to start it's > journey in 85 A.D. (if using AD - Anno Domini is to heavy for > this list let me know) I wanted to present this write up as > a sales pitch to the general public. Is this on or off track?? Quite a bit off track, I'm afraid. What you're neglecting is that meteorites nudged out of the belt by either impacts or close encounters with one another cannot just make a bee-line for earth. They still have to follow gravitational laws. This means that any meteoroid on an intercept trajectory with the earth must follow an elliptical path (or hyperbolic, but I won't unnecessarily complicate this) with the sun at one focus of the ellipse. The velocity of the meteoroid along its trajectory varies considerably depending on its distance from the sun. If a meteroid has an aphelion in the Main Belt, and a perihelion inside or at the same distance as the earth's roughly circular orbit, the closing velocity between the two during an "intercept" will be quite considerable -- over 10 kilometers per second. The point I'm getting at is that "average velocity" doesn't really tell the story very well. If a meteoroid coming from the asteroid belt is going to hit the earth on a particular orbit, it will do so in less than 3 years transit time. (For manmade satellites we call this a "Hommann Transfer"). If instead, the meteoroid happens to miss the earth on one orbit, then it has to go all the way back out to the asteroid belt before making another attempt. Obviously everything has to be right in this cosmic pinball game for an impact to occur, so these earth-crossing rocks can orbit for hundreds, thousands, even millions of years before their orbits line up just so. Cheers, Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More Tucson prices
Dear Eric, List; My best apple green nephrite jade is $1.90 a gram, and not counting NWA's is about as equally rare as U.S. meteorites. Dave Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Since there has been some discussion of meteorite prices lately I thought >I would put a little perspective on meteorite prices. Listed below are >prices I saw today at the Tucson show of some common gemstones. I have >coverted all the prices to $/gm for an easier comparison to current meteorite >prices. I did not look for either high or low prices I just wrote down a >bunch of what I saw. Keep in mind the price of your favorite meteorite when >you read the list. > >Cubic zircon $5 /gm >Ametrine $15 - $25 >Citrine $175 to $635 >Peridot $170 to $320 >Spinel $175 to $635 >Green Tourmaline $225 >Blue Tourmaline $300 >Grossular garnet $600 to $750 >Mali Garnet $800 to $900 >Tanzanite $875 to $1250 > > Note that I did not have to list diamond, emerald, ruby, sapphire, etc >to get to Martian and Lunar prices. Prices are low on meteorites because >there is little demand for them not because there is a huge supply of them. >If you want the value of your meteorites to go up all you have to do is >convince women that meteorites are better than jewelry, chocolate or flowers >for valentine's day. That may be a tough sell, I haven't even convinced my >wife of that yet ;-) So is a 5 carat (1 gram) Mali garnet worth 2-3 >kilograms of unclassified NWA? The market says it is. Would you trade hot >desert Martian straight across for tourmalines? Hardly seems like a fair >trade, but check the prices. > Just thought everybody might like a different slant on meteorite prices. > >Eric Olson >http://www.star-bits.com > >__ >Meteorite-list mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] More Tucson prices
Since there has been some discussion of meteorite prices lately I thought I would put a little perspective on meteorite prices. Listed below are prices I saw today at the Tucson show of some common gemstones. I have coverted all the prices to $/gm for an easier comparison to current meteorite prices. I did not look for either high or low prices I just wrote down a bunch of what I saw. Keep in mind the price of your favorite meteorite when you read the list. Cubic zircon $5 /gm Ametrine $15 - $25 Citrine $175 to $635 Peridot $170 to $320 Spinel $175 to $635 Green Tourmaline $225 Blue Tourmaline $300 Grossular garnet $600 to $750 Mali Garnet $800 to $900 Tanzanite $875 to $1250 Note that I did not have to list diamond, emerald, ruby, sapphire, etc to get to Martian and Lunar prices. Prices are low on meteorites because there is little demand for them not because there is a huge supply of them. If you want the value of your meteorites to go up all you have to do is convince women that meteorites are better than jewelry, chocolate or flowers for valentine's day. That may be a tough sell, I haven't even convinced my wife of that yet ;-) So is a 5 carat (1 gram) Mali garnet worth 2-3 kilograms of unclassified NWA? The market says it is. Would you trade hot desert Martian straight across for tourmalines? Hardly seems like a fair trade, but check the prices. Just thought everybody might like a different slant on meteorite prices. Eric Olson http://www.star-bits.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 85 AD -2002 AD
Hi Rick, I believe that it is 0.003175 of a second to travel 9.525 mm or 3/8 inch. Jim BTW it is 186,000 miles or 300,000 meters per second The speed of light in vacuum is exactly 299,792,458 m/s (metres per second) - Original Message - From: "Rick Nowak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 6:17 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] 85 AD -2002 AD > The asteroid belt to my knowledge is 168,000,000 > million miles away from the Earth. If the average > speed of the meteoroid coming out of the belt where 10 > mph that would mean in 24 hours it traveled 240 miles > one week 1680 miles one year 87600 miles. In 100 years > 876 miles To do 168,000,000 miles would take about > 1917 years. So If I found a meteorite in 2002 the > meteoroid had to start it's journey in 85 A.D. (if > using AD - Anno Domini is to heavy for this list let > me know) I wanted to present this write up as a sales > pitch to the general public. Is this on or off track?? > > > Here is another one that crossed my mind. If light > travels 18600 miles per second. How long will it > take in TIME for light to travel 3/8 of an inch??? > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Online Magazine
Hello List, Paul and I were a little sadden at the announcement by our friend John Walters that Voyage Magazine would no longer be published. We felt that doing something to keep the valuable material it contained flowing to the meteorite community was important. So we are going to be creating an online magazine at our website. We already have many articles that been submitted. But this will be an large expansion of that idea. We have contacted some of the authors that participated in Voyage and have received some answers back that they are willing to contribute in this format as well. This will be of course a free service offered as an additional forum for those with something meteoric on their minds. I have been the editor and designer of an online magazine as part of my work for 7 years. That publication has just in the last month been terminated. I hope I can bring some of that experience to this new adventure. We will keep you posted as plans progress. Yours, James Tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] meteorite.com The Meteorite Exchange PMB #455, Post Office Box 7000 Redondo Beach, CA, 90277-8710,U.S.A ( __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Book "Meteorite Hunting and Trapping"
Since their is alot of down time in meteorite recovery. My prime focus in meteorites ( bringing a meteorite on the market instead of buying one is more lucrative) I wanted to write a book on meteorites. the main focus would be "recovery" Norton's book is tops but I get really bummed out when I go to the bookstore and can't find any great books on meteorites. So in order to check and double check my stuff I will be posting alot of questions etc. If anyone would like to add anything let me know. I hope this book creates more $$$ for everyone by creating more meteorite collectors. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] IN3 - Meteorite Recovery
We are attempting to find the meteor that set off earthquake station IN3. We visted the area last week. This area is really farmed area. For some one not to have come across this in the last 12 years is amazing. I asked the newspaper in Columbus Indiana and Hope if they would print up a story and offered a cash reward for anyone that comes forward with a meteorite. since the event took place in the winter I feel the meteor did not create a crater but rather flatted itself out. Later that night it started snowing covering up the scaare on the Earth. On December 26 1988 between 0620 and 0625 GMT (0120-0125 EST ) Many people observed a very bright fireball over south-central Indiana.The object was seen as far as Northern Georgia and central Michigan. The fireball ( with colors ranging from white to orange to red ) was brighter than the full moon and reported to light the area " like daylight". Some people observed a bright flash, and lasting 2-3 seconds, while others others reported 3 or more flashes.NE of Nashville and S of Franklin, Indiana, flashes were accompanied by many as 2 sounds ( "booms and "thunder"). A faint sound like distant thunder, occurred 3 minutes after the bright flash in Whitehall, 11 km W of Bloomington. "Rippling, roaring" sounds were reported from the Columbus and Seymour areas. Alan Johnson a professor of materials science at U of L, said reports of blue and green flashes indicate the object might have been man-made."Blue and green flashes generally means copper is present," he said. "Meteors are generally iron or rock, while copper is used in spacecraft." The meteor/debris triggered a seismic recording at earthquake station IN3. No other stations recorded the event. Azimuth is not possible but projections place the meteor/debris at 9.24 km ( 5.7147 miles) with margin of error at +/- .5 km ( 0.310686 miles). Most line of sight observations indicate the falling object disappeared in the area of Seymour Indiana. Numerous newspaper articles were printed pertaining to this event with no results. No one has brought forth any meteorites/debris. According to Thorne Lay Associate Professor Seismology Director UM Seismological Lab "This is a very unusual recording if it indeed corresponds to a meteorite impact. I have never seen a confirmed fall seismogram." Meteor/debris search was conducted near Seymour. IMS is using only the station's recording which cannot error in judgment nor is it false or misleading in reporting what took place at 1:24 A.M. Newspapers articles did not produce any recovery results since 1988. IMS has no knowledge of anyone checking a 5.7147 +/- or minus search radius around the station. IMS is conducting a mail survey search. Followed up by door to door search if need be. IMS feels either meteorites or possible Russian/American space debris will be recovered since the meteor/debris hit the ground and would have to be of significant weight to set off IN3 5.7147 miles away.IMS hopes to make the possible first seismic/meteorite recovery. Anyone that wishes to get involed contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMS wishes to personally thank Nelson Shaffer of the Indiana Geological Survey for this invaluable information . __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Seeking -Mass Meteor 2/9/02
I contacted MEMA which directed recovery efforts that later turned out to be a metor that was seen around 2:14 PM 2/9/02. I also contacted everyone possible in the newspaper articles. The newspapers did not want to print up anymore articles on the story. I was able to send out a Meteor flight form to the Fire Captain that saw the event. This will give us two flight reports. I also contacted every earthquake station around the Pittsfield area. I hope to be able to contact the nearest newspaper to the end point and see if anyone will come forward. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 1 Gram of Lunar wanted
Does anyone have a 1 gram of lunar for sale? If so how much?? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Highest price paid for a meteorite gram
Which meteorite is the most expansive per gram and what is the current price per gram right now?? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorites NOT attracted to a magnet
Which meteorites would NOT be attracted to a magnet. Lunar and Mars meteorites to my knowledge anymore out their?? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Venus / Mercury Meteorites
To my knowledge no meteorites have been found froom the planets Venus and Mercury. Each has craters on their surfaces. Venus is also closer than Mars. Any ides opinions if Venus or Mercury meteorites will ever be found?? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 85 AD -2002 AD
The asteroid belt to my knowledge is 168,000,000 million miles away from the Earth. If the average speed of the meteoroid coming out of the belt where 10 mph that would mean in 24 hours it traveled 240 miles one week 1680 miles one year 87600 miles. In 100 years 876 miles To do 168,000,000 miles would take about 1917 years. So If I found a meteorite in 2002 the meteoroid had to start its journey in 85 A.D. (if using AD - Anno Domini is to heavy for this list let me know) I wanted to present this write up as a sales pitch to the general public. Is this on or off track?? Here is another one that crossed my mind. If light travels 18600 miles per second. How long will it take in TIME for light to travel 3/8 of an inch??? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is This All Olivine
Dear Listees I hang my head in shame for not reading all of the postings before spamming Dave David Freeman wrote: > Dear Mark, > Only the gem variety is called peridot. > Dave F. > > Mark Miconi wrote: > > >Wouldn't/isn't terrestrial Olivine called Peridot anyway? > > > >Mark > >- Original Message - > >From: Dave Mouat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: DiamondMeteor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Cc: meteorite-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:42 AM > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is This All Olivine > > > > > >>Mohamed > >>I'm not sure what you mean by the word "large" as in "Olivine is rarely > >> > >found in > > > >>large sizes" but in ultramafic rock exposures (some classic localities in > >> > >Oman, > > > >>by the way) we can find pure unserpentinized olivine in masses the size of > >> > >the > > > >>Hoba meteorite (60 tons) and larger. We find entire mountains of > >> > >serpentinized > > > >>to somewhat serpentinized olivine. So, the presence of olivine would not > >> > >be > > > >>diagnostic of a meteoritic origin. Isotopic (and other chemical) analyses > >> > >would > > > >>be diagnostic. > >>Dave > >> > >>DiamondMeteor wrote: > >> > >>>Dear List; > >>>I found few rocks that look all composed of Olivine,, and I have read > >>> > >before > > > >>>that Olivine is rarely found in large sizes. I have measured its > >>> > >specific > > > >>>gravity and found it to be around 3.3 (Olivine: 3.2), its hardness and > >>> > >also > > > >>>its color is close to Olivine. > >>>Some rocks have very thin fusion crust. > >>>Please have a look,, and I would be delighted to hear your openion. > >>>http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/olv.htm > >>> > >>>Best Regards > >>>Mohamed > >>>-- > >>>http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/index.html > >>>=== > >>>"As vision grows expression becomes difficult.", AnNiffari > >>> > >>>__ > >>>Meteorite-list mailing list > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >>> > >> > >>__ > >>Meteorite-list mailing list > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > > > > > >__ > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is This All Olivine
Peridot is the name for gem quality olivine Dave Mark Miconi wrote: > Wouldn't/isn't terrestrial Olivine called Peridot anyway? > > Mark > - Original Message - > From: Dave Mouat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: DiamondMeteor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: meteorite-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:42 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is This All Olivine > > > Mohamed > > I'm not sure what you mean by the word "large" as in "Olivine is rarely > found in > > large sizes" but in ultramafic rock exposures (some classic localities in > Oman, > > by the way) we can find pure unserpentinized olivine in masses the size of > the > > Hoba meteorite (60 tons) and larger. We find entire mountains of > serpentinized > > to somewhat serpentinized olivine. So, the presence of olivine would not > be > > diagnostic of a meteoritic origin. Isotopic (and other chemical) analyses > would > > be diagnostic. > > Dave > > > > DiamondMeteor wrote: > > > > > Dear List; > > > I found few rocks that look all composed of Olivine,, and I have read > before > > > that Olivine is rarely found in large sizes. I have measured its > specific > > > gravity and found it to be around 3.3 (Olivine: 3.2), its hardness and > also > > > its color is close to Olivine. > > > Some rocks have very thin fusion crust. > > > Please have a look,, and I would be delighted to hear your openion. > > > http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/olv.htm > > > > > > Best Regards > > > Mohamed > > > -- > > > http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/index.html > > > === > > > "As vision grows expression becomes difficult.", AnNiffari > > > > > > __ > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Willamete meteorite
Hey Graham Not a bad suggestion. I thought I'd hang out at Seven Feathers Casino (on Grande Ronde property and how many scores of miles from Oregon City??) Dave Graham Christensen wrote: > Hello people, > I heard that the Willamete meteorite may have been carried down to the > states from Canada by the glaciers. Therefore the meteorite should be > returned to Canada. And since I am Canadian I will take it off your hands > for you :) Or, we can take it even further. Get NASA to build a rocket and > launch the meteorite back to the original place of residence, the asteroid > belt. > > Just being silly ;) > > Graham Christensen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter > > _ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Returning Meteorites
AMEN, I could not have expressed it better- GRANT ELLIOTT Bob Martino wrote: > > All, > > If *ANYONE* has a claim to a meteorite in a museum in the United States it > would be the nation of Greenland. The natives there clearly knew of > Ahnighito and venerated it as a sacred object before Perry absconded with > it (No such proof exists for Willamette, to my knowledge). If the > Greenland government demanded that Cape York be returned, I for one would > strongly support their claim (albeit saddened at the loss to my country). > For the Opportunistic Historical Revisionist Indian Tribes, however, I feel > quite the opposite. Being culturally sensitive is one thing, but giving in > to Politically Correct cultural extortion is something else. > > Of course, you are all free to disagree. And those who own pieces of > Willamette are free to do with them what they want. I just wish that they > would want to send a free pound or two my way. :) > > > Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? >http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ > "I look up to the heavens > but night has clouded over > no spark of constellation > no Vela no Orion." -Enya > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] simply H5? NO... H5-impact melt!
vincent jacques a écrit: > That was a great spectacle > http://users.skynet.be/meteorite.be/Collection/Rammya1.jpg. > You can see more information about Rammya at: > http://users.skynet.be/meteorite.be/Rammya.html A "spectacle" that leaves you breathless. WOW !!! Gotta get some sleep now - it's 01:30 hrs here :-( ... and my new NWA 066 will accomapany me :-) Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Magnetic properties
Tracy wrote: > I would be interested in the results of a study on > the paleomagnetic memory of meteorites. Who did it? They did it: MORDEN S.J. (1992) The magnetic properties of the Millbillillie eucrite: Palaeointensity results and evidence for a dynamo-type magnetising field (Meteoritics 27-3, 1992, A264): The palaeointensity results indicate that the rock cooled in a strong magnetic field; an internal dynamo-type magnetising field is preferred over external fields (solar wind or impact-generated) for dynamical reasons. On the assumption that a body similar to 4 Vesta is the Howardite-Eucrite-Diogenite parent body, the high palaeointensity results could argue for an iron core for such a body. Reference: FITZGERALD M.J. (1980) Trans. R. Soc. Aust. 104, 201-207. MORDEN S.J. (1992) Magnetic study of the Millbillillie (eucrite) achondrite: Evidence or a dynamo-type magnetising field (Meteoritics 27-5, 1992, 560-567). TERHO M. et al. (1996) Weathering and shock on magnetic properties of H5 chondrites (abs. Meteoritics 31, 1996, A140). YAGI K. et al. (1987) Petrology and Magnetic Properties Of Chiang Khan, Thailand, Meterorite (Meteoritics 22-4, 1987, 536-537). COLLINSON D.W. (1987) Magnetic properties of the Olivenza chondrite. Possible implications for its evolution and an early solar system magnetic field (Meteoritics 22-4, 1987, 361). COLLINSON D.W. (1989) Magnetic properties of the Estherville mesosiderite (Meteoritics 24-4, 1989, 259). COLLINSON D.W. (1991) Magnetic properties of the Estherville mesosiderite (Meteoritics 26-1, 1991, 001-010). COLLINSON D.W. et al. (1992) Magnetic properties of some achondrite meteorites and implications for their evolution (Meteoritics 27-3, 1992, A211). COLLINSON D.W.(1997) Magnetic properties of Martian meteorites: Implications for an ancient Martian magnetic field (Meteoritics 32-6, 1997, 803). NAGATA T.et al. (1976) Magnetic characteristics of some Yamato meteorites - Magnetic classification of stone meteorites (Mem. Natl. Inst. Polar Res. Spec. Issue 10, 30-58). NAGATA T. (1979) Magnetic classification of Antarctic stony meteorites - III (Mem. Natl. Inst. Polar Res. Spec. Issue 12, 223-237). NAGATA T. et al. (1986) Magnetic properties of tetrataenite-rich meteorites (Mem. Natl. Inst. Polar Res. Special Issue 41, 364-381). GUSKOVA E.G. (1984) Magnetism of achondrites (in Meteoritika 43, 1984, pp. 155-160, abs. Meteoritics 22-3, 1987, 305). FRANCK S. (1997) SNC meteorites and the magnetic field strength history of Mars (Meteoritics 32-4, 1997, A044). LANG B. et al. (1994) Magnetic Properties of the Metal Phase of the Lowicz Mesosiderite (Meteoritics 29-4, 1994, A489). KNUDSEN J.M. (1992) Magnetic phases in SNC meteorites and on Mars (Meteoritics 27-3, 1992, A244). WASILEWSKI P. (1987) Magnetic record in chondrite meteorites - Microstructure, magnetism, and the FeNi phase diagram (Meteoritics 22-4, 1987, 523-524). ROCHETTE P. et al. (2001) Implications of pyrrhotite being the major magnetic carrier in SNCs (MAPS 36-9, 2001, A176). ROCHETTE P. et al. (2001) Magnetic classification of ordinary chondrites (MAPS 36-9, 2001, A176). __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] simply H5? NO... H5-impact melt!
Hello Five years ago, I 'm traded several kilos of meteorites for a very fragmented meteorite. It show a strange aspect with very deep regmaglypts. In my request, it was studied by NHMV. According to Dr.Kurat, it is a extraordinary H5, traversed by numerous shocks veins and melted parts . Unfortunately, the analyses were limited to the non-melted parts of the meteorite. This meteorite was recognized under the name of Rammya. The shape of the stone, and the many fragments which I cut show that all the mass is completely molten. Some days ago, I decided to cut a section through the principal mass... That was a great spectacle http://users.skynet.be/meteorite.be/Collection/Rammya1.jpg. You can see more information about Rammya at : http://users.skynet.be/meteorite.be/Rammya.html I search Brad Sampson ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.angelfire.com/me2/meteorites) , is what somebody would have of his news? I wait meteorites from him since 1 year :-(( !!! It's a swindlerb ??!! VincentRejoignez le plus grand service de messagerie au monde avec MSN Hotmail. Cliquez ici __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] have mercy for meteorite memory!
I would be interested in the results of a study on the paleomagnetic memory of meteorites. Who did it, and what specifically was found about ALH8001, and the initial energy state of the solar system/universe? or what did you expect to find? Unfortunately, I expect that many meteorite hunters will continue to use the magnet as a base test for determing whether a suspect rock is a meteorite. It's cheap, easy, and saves time and effort if you have to decide whether a rock is worth packing out of an inacessible location. There would have to be some fairly compelling hard data to eliminate one of the first tests of meteoricity (is that a word?) Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] SNCs
Jamie inquired: > I am just curious. Does anyone know why it seems Shergottites are > more common than Nakhlites or Chassignites? It just seems that if > a new Martian meteorite is found, you can almost bet it will be a > shergottite. Is it just that they had a better chance of surviving > the journey from impact on mars to the fall through our atmo- > sphere? Steven responded: > There could be any number of reasons for that. The impactor that sent > the SNCs on their way here could have hit an area composed dominantly > of shergottite type rocks or if there were multiple impacts, the distri- > bution of the types of SNCs could be telling us something of the distri- > bution of rock types on Mars. As the SNCs are closely related in physical > properties, if not mineralogically, I don't think it tells anything about > re-entry survival characteristics. McSWEEN H.Y. Jr. (2002) The Leonard Medal Address: The rocks of Mars, from far and near (MAPS 37-1, 2002, pp. 007-025): "Similarities in the Phobos-2 VISNIR spectra of Syrtis Major and that of basaltic shergottites previously led to suggestions that shergottite-like basalts may be c o m m o n volcanic rocks on Mars (Mustard and Sunshine, 1995; Mustard et al., 1997)." References: McSWEEN Jr. H.Y. (2001) The rocks of Mars, from far and near (MAPS 36-9, 2001, A129). McSWEEN H.Y. Jr. (2002) The Leonard Medal Address: The rocks of Mars, from far and near (MAPS 37-1, 2002, pp. 007-025). Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Science Fair Again. Sigh!
Mike Tettenborn sighed: > Once again my budding scientist son has decided to work with meteorites in > his science fair. I am thrilled at this but I may have to donate a 1.2 gram > sample of Murchison. Organic Clues in Carbonaceous Meteorites (April, 1979, Sky & Telescope, pp. 330-332) C.R. Pellegrino and J.A. Stoff, Rockville Centre, New York On September 28, 1969, an ancient rock mass slammed into the upper atmosphere somewhere above Australia. It slid, danced, and leaped through the air, then exploded over the town of Murchison. For several days thereafter residents and scientists recovered curious shards of grayish matter from fields, roadsides, and rooftops. The pieces resembled dried carbon-rich clay and crumbled with similar ease. Upon closer examination, their matrix appeared to be studded with tiny glasslike spheres. When these were sectioned and viewed under a microscope, concentric layers of material, not unlike those distinctive patterns recognized in pearls, became visible. Further analysis revealed unexpected traces of water (as high as 10 percent by weight) locked inside the stony fragments. The 20th specimen then known of that most puzzling and sought after of all meteorite types, the carbonaceous chondrite, had arrived. Nearly three years later, scientists at NASA's Ames Research Center in California confirmed the presence of 17 different fatty acids and 18 amino acids in fragments of the Murchison meteorite. These highly complex substances are composed of organic elements and, when woven properly together, comprise the foundations of cellular life. But one very important question soon arose: were these substances truly indigenous to the meteorite, or did the meteorite, upon its penetration into our atmosphere, begin to "breathe in" earthly contaminants? After all, a mere fingerprint on its surface would have contributed most of the common amino acids known here on Earth. During the three-year investigation that followed its arrival, the Murchison meteorite was examined and compared closely with another carbonaceous chondrite that had fallen near Murray, Kentucky, 19 years earlier. The results were impressively similar. Of the 18 amino acids detected in the two meteorites, the 12 most abundant are seldom if ever associated with the living tissues of terrestrial plants and animals. The remaining six (valine, alanine, glycine, proline, aspartic acid, and glutamic acid) are prominent in earthly proteins, but relatively scarce in carbonecous chondrites. The first of a long series of paradoxes had begun to emerge. The meteorites may have originated in an age when the "dust" of the solar nebula was falling together into little bodies that became celestial vacuum cleaners, ever increasing in girth as they continued to sweep up debris in their path. Some, like our own earth, accumulated great mass. Their interiors began to heat up. Gases, steam, and vaporized rock held fast to their shifting skin: the primordial atmospheres were born. Whether the result of a cataclysm involving the collision of ancient worlds or simply a collection of discarded planetary scraps left hanging about the sun, a thin belt of solar driftwood - the asteroids -spreads wide between Mars and Jupiter. It is from this belt that most meteorites seem to originate. The presence of organized elements and hydrocarbons in some of these meteorites leaves several unanswered questions. These substances seem to have no business being out there in the first place. If they are native to the meteorites, then we are faced with a perplexing fact: these carbon compounds were somehow lifted, against entropy, to a highly ordered state from vast numbers of random dissociated, inanimate atoms, and gathered up and arranged in their present condition of seemingly improbable symmetry. Given only the extreme temperatures, damaging radiation, and near emptiness of outer space, it is not likely that this kind of clustering could have proceeded in objects so small as stones, boulders, or even asteroids (nor that it should be reproduced so agreeably among individual samples). Detailed comparisons with earthly tissues seem only to sharpen the contrasts between terrestrial proteins and the kinds of molecular ornamentation typically recovered from carbonaceous chondrites. That the history of these compounds differs from our own is underscored by important eccentricities in their molecular structure. It is generally believed by organic chemists that when the earth was still in its infancy, when its vapors had condensed into newly formed seas and its shroud of air lacked destructive oxidizing agents, the first organic acids were probably assembled in two very distinct varieties. Valine, for example, possibly occurred as mirror images of itself, much in the same way as your right and left hands are mirror images, or isomers, of each other. In those days before the dawn of living self-replicating matter, both "right-handed" and "left-handed" molecules migh
[meteorite-list] Chemical Composition of Murchison
Mike Tettenborn wrote: > Can anyone supply the chemical composition of Murchison? Hello Mike and List, I was waiting for Greg Shanos to make his contribution but as we haven't heard from him yet, let me send you an attachment entitled "INTERSTELLAR INVENTORY" but it's not from me but a post Greg sent to the list on Monday, 9 November 1998. Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Licked? Hot Desert Meteorites
OK, I'll admit it Steven I also sniff Murchison. Matter of fact I routinely check the smell of meteorites just to see if there is one. Just the other day I received a Sikhote-Alin from Ivan K. Upon sniffing it I'm certain that I smelled the distinctive fragrance of cigarette smoke! And I've got an Allende from Bob Haag from long ago that still smells like a cross between gunpowder and car exhaust. Who knows what'll turn up next? ;-) Bob > And how many of us---come on show your hands---ever sniffed a > Murchison---especially after Haag described in his catalog, a specimen that: > "had been sealed in a jar for ten years, and when I opened it, the smell of > alcohol and ether almost put me under."? Kinky. ;-) > > Best and smiles to you all, > > Steven L. Sachs > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Licked? Hot Desert Meteorites
Hmmm, licked might have been a bit too much. But then didn't some of the natives from the area where the (Mbale?) meteorite was found...actually eat some of the meteorites as a cure for Aids? And how many of us---come on show your hands---ever sniffed a Murchison---especially after Haag described in his catalog, a specimen that: "had been sealed in a jar for ten years, and when I opened it, the smell of alcohol and ether almost put me under."? Kinky. ;-) Best and smiles to you all, Steven L. Sachs __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Science Fair Again. Sigh!!!!!
In a message dated 2/16/2002 12:07:13 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And,... does anyone have about a gram of crumbs they are willing to sell? I really want to keep my slice and would rather buy some smaller fragments to smash up and use. Hello Mike, I would be glad to gather up the crumbs at the bottom of the box of Murchison, and mail them to you in a gelcap for free. It is a lot less than one gram, but if every dealer with a box of Murchison pieces did that you would have a full gram in no time. Anne Black IMCA #2356 www.IMPACTIKA.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Science Fair Again. Sigh!!!!!
Mike: Murchison, small fragments, how much do you need? I'll donate them for your son's project. Russ K., NEMS At 02:05 PM 02/16/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hello All, > >Once again my budding scientist son has decided to work with meteorites in >his science fair. I am thrilled at this but I may have to donate a 1.2 gram >sample of Murchison. > >He decided to study the effect of phosphate levels on the growth of algae >and was about to start when the latest issue of meteorite arrived. In it is >a wonderful article "Meteorites, and the Origins and Future of Life." In >the article the author describes tests where algae and plants are grown >using meteorite based soil samples. I showed this to Alex and he instantly >thought of doing such an experiment for his science fair project since he >already has the algae culture started. > >Can anyone supply the chemical composition of Murchison? Paicularily >nutrient levels (phosphates etc.) > >Can anyone supply other information regarding meteorites and the supporting >of tertestrial life? > >And,... does anyone have about a gram of crumbs they are willing to sell? I >really want to keep my slice and would rather buy some smaller fragments to >smash up and use. > >Thanks, > >Mike Tettenborn >Owen Sound, Ontario > > > >__ >Meteorite-list mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re have mercy on the meteorites !
Pierre and list I find that very interesting . I met someone yesterday who with radionics "nuetrilized " what he assumed was a meteorite in a field of a farmer. Of coarse I was keenly interested and somewhat skeptical, first of all that it even might prove to be a meteorite and seondly that anything was done to destroy its energy field Time will tell , because I asked for a piece of this "meteorite '' which he was reluctant to tell me about as to its where abouts but if I can gain the farmers confidence of not letting his farm become a public attraction ,I may get access and if it is a meteorite, pocession ? I asked this individual if he could restore the energy field of this rock he said no My guess is then that Pierre you are right these rare earth magnets might certainly be disrupting the energy of meteorites making one aspect of their study obsolete This could be interesting I will follow with interest what others in the list might say Perhaps "pet rocks" do have a personality ? Simon
Re: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites
Right now Keith V. (the arizona Viking) is Laughing REAL HARD! jake Jake Delgaudio The Nature Source Meteorites and Fossils Queensbury, NEW YORK 12804 website: www.nature-source.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone:(518) 761-6702 Fax; (518) 798-9107 Proud member of: The Meteoritical Society and The Paleontological Suppliers of America IMCA#4262 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD-Willamette Sale
Hi all: I have some available, email me off list and I will tell you what I have left. Going fast. matt morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites
Rhett: << A meteorite, any meteorite be it NWA or classic historical fall of an extremely rare type, is worth however much someone will pay for it. >> Careful. I made exactly the same observation a year or so ago, and ended up in a much-too-long dialog with a DEALER (believe it or not) who vehemently disputed this seemingly self-evident statement. Gregory __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] have mercy for meteorite memory!
Dear meteorite fans I do not want to hurt your personal belief and spoil the passionate relationship you have with meteorites. However I appeal to your compassion to stop a disastrous habit: blessing a newly found meteorite by touching it with a magnet. Although this magical ritual is recommended by Nininger and every subsequent grand masters, it is both pointless rationally and evil spiritually: its unavoidable consequence (especially with the modern rare earth strong magnets) is to fully erase the magnetic memory of the meteorite (just like when you approach the magnet to a floppy disk), severely wounding the meteorite soul and threatening the scientific study of this meteorite. The so called paleomagnetic study of the magnetic memory of meteorite can lead to various important subjects such as the source of energy in the early solar system or the low temperature transfer of ALH84001 from Mars to Earth. I personally checked that all desert finds SNC had their paleomagnetic signal erased, thus diminishing their scientifc interest. In terms of rational benefit for the meteorite hunter I do not see the value of the magnet ceremony: a lot of rare meteorites (angrite, HED, SNC, R and CM chondrites, some LL and aubrites) are not attracted by a magnet. Increasing the strength of the magnet leads to the attraction of terrestrial basalts. Even the use of the magnet for separating ordinary from rare type is flawn: E, CR and CH, Ureilite, Winowaite and so on are also strongly magnetic... If one is really interested as using magnetic properties to classify meteorites, a compass can do the job qualitatively and for quantitative work a magnetic susceptibility probe worth 1200 $ (or a metal detector!) makes a much better job than the magnet without erasing the paleomagnetic signal. So please have mercy, for the sake of meteorite soul and paleomagnetic research! Think that the early solar system music is recorded in this rock; keep this music for the future even if you cannot play it for yourself! Pierre __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] My Tucson Experience
Greetings Listees! Just wanted to say that my experience this year in Tucson was very enjoyable again. I was able to attend Mr. Bloods Auction on Friday evening, the Big Birthday Bash Saturday evening and also Darryl Pitts Auction Sunday morning! The first 2 events I was basically chatting with people that I haven`t seen in a year, but Sunday morning I had my eyes on a few things. Being that I mainly collect Carbonaceous Chondrites, I was looking at the Cold Bokkeveld CM2 and also the Efremovka CV3, but was subsequently out bid on both of these, but was successful on the 3g. piece of Ningqiang CK-ANOM and also a great 79.41g. piece of Kainsaz CO3.2! Last year people were trying to find some shade from the hot sun, but this year there was a chill in the air and the sun was more than welcomed! The only other meteorite that I purchased this year was a cool 9.55g. partslice of NWA 723 a CV3.5 from Bruno and Carine of La Memoire de la Terre and also much needed membrane boxes. The rest of the time was spent just browsing around, socializing and enjoying the sun before returning to the cold of Northern Indiana. Hope to see everyone again next year and also those who could not make it this year. As Rob Elliott always says, Cheers! Dave Schultz p.s. I also want to thank Mike Farmer for getting me started (addicted) to collecting these cosmic wonders! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites
Steve, Well said yourself and thank you for your public outreach to the next generation of collectors, dealers and tax payers. I just hope that our fellow list members are doing the same. It is a worthy investment of time and a great use for those ol' unclassified NWAs! Regards, Greg Redfern IMCA #5781 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 12:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites Greg, Bernd, and list, Nicely said. I echo your words and would like to add that I have acquired a number of "no name" / "no coordinates" NWA's the last couple of years. And while I would love to own a pricey SNC or Lunar sample that is larger than a Corn Flake, budget restraints dictate otherwise. Yes...it's too bad that many NWA's will go unclassified, will never see the inside of a Meteoritical Bulletin, and may be the orphaned child of the classified / pedigreed specimens. But when you go to class of third graders and talk about the wonderful mysteries of meteorites, do they really care about location coordinates, complex petrology classifications? And for that matter, would one want to bring a pricey Camel Donga or Allende to the class for all to touch and feel? That's the beauty of the NWA's. They're cheapthey can be touched, carressed, picked at, dropped, licked, by the students, and did I mention cheap? Best of allthey're meteorites. The sample you bring to class...can stay with the class. That is why I think the much maligned unclassified NWA's have their place. Every science classroom, whether elementary, middle school, of high school in our nation should have a meteorite. Cheap NWA's could make that a reality. (sorry...starting to sound like a politician's platform) Best to all, Steven L. Sachshttp://www.geocities.com/gangwise/meteorite.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Science Fair Again. Sigh!!!!!
Hello All, Once again my budding scientist son has decided to work with meteorites in his science fair. I am thrilled at this but I may have to donate a 1.2 gram sample of Murchison. He decided to study the effect of phosphate levels on the growth of algae and was about to start when the latest issue of meteorite arrived. In it is a wonderful article "Meteorites, and the Origins and Future of Life." In the article the author describes tests where algae and plants are grown using meteorite based soil samples. I showed this to Alex and he instantly thought of doing such an experiment for his science fair project since he already has the algae culture started. Can anyone supply the chemical composition of Murchison? Paicularily nutrient levels (phosphates etc.) Can anyone supply other information regarding meteorites and the supporting of tertestrial life? And,... does anyone have about a gram of crumbs they are willing to sell? I really want to keep my slice and would rather buy some smaller fragments to smash up and use. Thanks, Mike Tettenborn Owen Sound, Ontario __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Returning Meteorites
All, If *ANYONE* has a claim to a meteorite in a museum in the United States it would be the nation of Greenland. The natives there clearly knew of Ahnighito and venerated it as a sacred object before Perry absconded with it (No such proof exists for Willamette, to my knowledge). If the Greenland government demanded that Cape York be returned, I for one would strongly support their claim (albeit saddened at the loss to my country). For the Opportunistic Historical Revisionist Indian Tribes, however, I feel quite the opposite. Being culturally sensitive is one thing, but giving in to Politically Correct cultural extortion is something else. Of course, you are all free to disagree. And those who own pieces of Willamette are free to do with them what they want. I just wish that they would want to send a free pound or two my way. :) Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ "I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion." -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites
<< "...they can be touched, carressed, picked at, dropped, ***LICKED***, by the students...">> Steve, Would you like to expand on ***this***? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites
I agree 100%. Meteorites are worth what you're willing to pay for them, and if you're in it not for the love of these "heavenly messengers" but to speculate, don't be surprised if your "investments" periodically go south. I just bought a crumb of a meteorite (Honolulu) that I had been wishing for for a LONG time. I paid more than someone else would have (I KNOW I did, I bought it on ebay!) but now I have a very special meteorite and am happy to have it. Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] SNCs
At 11:29 AM 2/16/2002 -0600, Jamie Ekholm wrote: >I am just curious. Does anyone know why it seems Shergottites are more >common than Nakhlites or Chassignites? It just seems that if a new >Martian meteorite is found, you can almost bet it will be a >Shergottite. Is it just that they had a better chance of surviving the >journey from impact on mars to the fall through our atmosphere? > >Jamie There could be any number of reasons for that. The impactor that sent the SNCs on their way here could have hit an area composed dominantly of shergottite type rocks or if there were multiple impacts, the distribution of the types of SNCs could be telling us something of the distribution of rock types on Mars. As the SNCs are closely related in physical properties, if not mineralogically, I don't think it tells anything about re-entry survival characteristics. Anyone else got any ideas? Steven Singletary 54-1224 Dept. Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences M.I.T. Cambridge, MA 02139 Tel - 617.253.6398 Fax - 617.253.7102 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites
Greg, Bernd, and list, Nicely said. I echo your words and would like to add that I have acquired a number of "no name" / "no coordinates" NWA's the last couple of years. And while I would love to own a pricey SNC or Lunar sample that is larger than a Corn Flake, budget restraints dictate otherwise. Yes...it's too bad that many NWA's will go unclassified, will never see the inside of a Meteoritical Bulletin, and may be the orphaned child of the classified / pedigreed specimens. But when you go to class of third graders and talk about the wonderful mysteries of meteorites, do they really care about location coordinates, complex petrology classifications? And for that matter, would one want to bring a pricey Camel Donga or Allende to the class for all to touch and feel? That's the beauty of the NWA's. They're cheapthey can be touched, carressed, picked at, dropped, licked, by the students, and did I mention cheap? Best of allthey're meteorites. The sample you bring to class...can stay with the class. That is why I think the much maligned unclassified NWA's have their place. Every science classroom, whether elementary, middle school, of high school in our nation should have a meteorite. Cheap NWA's could make that a reality. (sorry...starting to sound like a politician's platform) Best to all, Steven L. Sachshttp://www.geocities.com/gangwise/meteorite.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] SNCs
I am just curious. Does anyone know why it seems Shergottites are more common than Nakhlites or Chassignites? It just seems that if a new Martian meteorite is found, you can almost bet it will be a Shergottite. Is it just that they had a better chance of surviving the journey from impact on mars to the fall through our atmosphere? Jamie
[meteorite-list] Strange light
I thought meteor showers were annular events and I never knew they only occurred over certain areas. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites
Hello all I no have problems, I collect all meteorites, is this NWA, DaG's, Sahara etchistorical, fall's, found's etcbut no like the prices of the meteorites go in ruin. I repeat, is no possible a CR2, year ago minimum you buy for $200/gr. now you pay under $30/gr., under this way the total market go to the ruin. If I buy a CR2 from a moroccan person for only $8/gr. - example - is good for me, but I no sale this for $16/gr., I sale for $150 or $200. Under this way, at few time you find lunars for a price of a rare eucrite - type $300/gr. - and SNC for a normaly achondrite, and this is no good. Regards matteo --- Rhett Bourland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I couldn't agree more with Bernd's statements here > concerning people always > worrying and bickering about prices of meteorites. > Plain and simple, how > much is a certain meteorite worth? However much > someone will pay for it. > You don't get much more of an open market than with > meteorites. I recently > bought a piece of Lodran (thanks Steve Arnold!) that > cost a bit more than > I'm used to spending. Commercially speaking, was it > worth it? Probally not > but I really don't care because I didn't have any of > this type of meteorite > in my collection. Am I going to get angry at Steve > because he charged a lot > for it and call him greedy and say he's just so evil > for it? OF COURSE > NOT!!! I gave him a little more money than I would > have prefferred but much > much much more importantly I got a piece of this > rare meteorite that I've > been wanting for quite some time. Hey, for all > that, I'm actually happy to > kick in a little bit of a reward for him there for > getting such an amazing > and rare meteorite. > I'm mostly a collector but do sell a few meteorites > from time to time and > have some on my asteroidmodels.com site right now. > Admittedly, some of them > are rather pricey but others are right at market > value (market value being > what I see most other people charging) if not below > it. For obvious reasons > I don't want to go into details about how much or > how I aquired all of these > but I will say that some of my larger proffits have > come from meteorites > that sold out in a day or two. Am I evil and greedy > because I made a decent > proffit from them? I don't think so because the > people that bought them > certainly seemed happy enough to have the pieces I > sold them even though > they may have payed a bit more than the average > meteorite. In fact, some of > the people who bought them have also bought some of > the other meteorites > that I've had for sale and they always seem happy > enough to just have the > meteorites that they get. > My point in this email is this; if you're going to > argue about anything > concerning the NWA's argue about lack of a detailed > recovery vs. volume of > meteorites now in our collective possessions. Don't > argue about who's the > greedier dealer. Its simple, A meteorite, any > meteorite be it NWA or > classic historical fall of an extremely rare type, > is worth however much > someone will pay for it. If you think a meteorite > costs too much don't buy > it. Some of the pricier pieces in my collection I'm > sure dealers have made > some pretty good money off of me but I really > couldn't care less because > that just means that I have another wonderful rock > from another world that I > wouldn't be able to own without them. > My 2 cents, > Rhett Bourland > www.asteroidmodels.com > www.asteroidmodels.com/personal > www.meteoritecollectors.org > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Bernd > Pauli HD > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 6:02 AM > To: LABENNE METEORITES > Cc: dean bessey; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites > > > Luc a écrit: > > > ... and about the NWA, those returned recently > from Marocco > > say that the quantity they saw in not so bigger > that before. > > > Bonjour Luc, Hello List, > > I was just reading Christian Pinter's article about > the 2001 Mineral and > Gem Show in Munic in Meteorite, Feb 2002, Vol. 8, > No. 1, pp. 38-39, > when your post arrived here. There are three remarks > in Christian's > article that I would like to share with all of us: > > 1. Bruno: > > "But today there is only one tenth of what > had been found in Morocco two years ago." > > 2. Ahmed Pani: > > "There is really less material coming from the > Sahara now." > > 3. Erich Haiderer: > > "There is still enough out there for decades to > come." > > > For me there are not good or bad meteorites, there > are well documented or > > poorly documented meteorites, well preserved or > weathered meteorites, nice > > or bad looking meteorites and scientifically > important or not meteorites, > with > > all the intermediate states. > > I absolutely agree with the above words! Very often > conversations about > our love for meteorites oscillate between how >
RE: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites
I couldn't agree more with Bernd's statements here concerning people always worrying and bickering about prices of meteorites. Plain and simple, how much is a certain meteorite worth? However much someone will pay for it. You don't get much more of an open market than with meteorites. I recently bought a piece of Lodran (thanks Steve Arnold!) that cost a bit more than I'm used to spending. Commercially speaking, was it worth it? Probally not but I really don't care because I didn't have any of this type of meteorite in my collection. Am I going to get angry at Steve because he charged a lot for it and call him greedy and say he's just so evil for it? OF COURSE NOT!!! I gave him a little more money than I would have prefferred but much much much more importantly I got a piece of this rare meteorite that I've been wanting for quite some time. Hey, for all that, I'm actually happy to kick in a little bit of a reward for him there for getting such an amazing and rare meteorite. I'm mostly a collector but do sell a few meteorites from time to time and have some on my asteroidmodels.com site right now. Admittedly, some of them are rather pricey but others are right at market value (market value being what I see most other people charging) if not below it. For obvious reasons I don't want to go into details about how much or how I aquired all of these but I will say that some of my larger proffits have come from meteorites that sold out in a day or two. Am I evil and greedy because I made a decent proffit from them? I don't think so because the people that bought them certainly seemed happy enough to have the pieces I sold them even though they may have payed a bit more than the average meteorite. In fact, some of the people who bought them have also bought some of the other meteorites that I've had for sale and they always seem happy enough to just have the meteorites that they get. My point in this email is this; if you're going to argue about anything concerning the NWA's argue about lack of a detailed recovery vs. volume of meteorites now in our collective possessions. Don't argue about who's the greedier dealer. Its simple, A meteorite, any meteorite be it NWA or classic historical fall of an extremely rare type, is worth however much someone will pay for it. If you think a meteorite costs too much don't buy it. Some of the pricier pieces in my collection I'm sure dealers have made some pretty good money off of me but I really couldn't care less because that just means that I have another wonderful rock from another world that I wouldn't be able to own without them. My 2 cents, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bernd Pauli HD Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 6:02 AM To: LABENNE METEORITES Cc: dean bessey; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites Luc a écrit: > ... and about the NWA, those returned recently from Marocco > say that the quantity they saw in not so bigger that before. Bonjour Luc, Hello List, I was just reading Christian Pinter's article about the 2001 Mineral and Gem Show in Munic in Meteorite, Feb 2002, Vol. 8, No. 1, pp. 38-39, when your post arrived here. There are three remarks in Christian's article that I would like to share with all of us: 1. Bruno: "But today there is only one tenth of what had been found in Morocco two years ago." 2. Ahmed Pani: "There is really less material coming from the Sahara now." 3. Erich Haiderer: "There is still enough out there for decades to come." > For me there are not good or bad meteorites, there are well documented or > poorly documented meteorites, well preserved or weathered meteorites, nice > or bad looking meteorites and scientifically important or not meteorites, with > all the intermediate states. I absolutely agree with the above words! Very often conversations about our love for meteorites oscillate between how exotic, common, or historical they are, and, on the other hand we complain (!) about the decreasing prices and monetary values of our Hot Desert meteorites. One list member wrote to me in a private mail that prices for historical falls like - say, Juvinas, Steinbach, etc. - will never decrease as much as the prices for those classified or unclassified NWAs. Again our views are shifting towards the financial investigation and away from our enthusiasm for those "heavenly messengers". A lunar is a lunar, a Martian is a Martian. I for my part collect meteorites because I love them, not because I want to investigate and make profits - after all I am not a dealer but a collector. When we started collecting these asteroidal "crumbs" many years ago, we said: "Oh, if I only had a eucrite in my collection!" Now some of us will say: "A eucrite would be OK ... what? It's a NWA! ... and there are no coordinates, no total weight, ... ah, we
RE: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites
Amen, Bernd! I am very new to collecting meteorites but have loved them since my very earliest days - a walk to the bottom of Meteor Crater and a passion for astronomy will do that to you. It is as I said to Mark Miconi recently, how incredible it is to own and touch a piece of the Universe. I am sure that all list members would love to travel beyond our planet's atmosphere - but never, ever will. So, the very best next thing is to bring a piece of another world into your own home and hold it in your hands. Couple that with the ability to actually SEE the world it came from through a telescope and "now your talkin'!" Hold a piece of NWA 482 and then look at the Moon - no doubt as to where it came from. Look at an HST shot of Mars and then look at DAG 476 - "it ain't from this planet, that's for sure". Peer at the celestial dot that is Vesta and then look at a AEUC from Australia - how alien but also how beautiful. It's beyond my wildest dreams to be able to do so. Last thought. Commercialization of these items is the only reason why we are able to own them. Our passion, scientific inquiries, and careful possession of these celestial treasures is what gives them meaning. I know that we will never lose sight of that. Warmest Regards Fellow List Members, Greg Redfern IMCA #5781 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bernd Pauli HD Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 7:02 AM To: LABENNE METEORITES Cc: dean bessey; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites Luc a écrit: > ... and about the NWA, those returned recently from Marocco > say that the quantity they saw in not so bigger that before. Bonjour Luc, Hello List, I was just reading Christian Pinter's article about the 2001 Mineral and Gem Show in Munic in Meteorite, Feb 2002, Vol. 8, No. 1, pp. 38-39, when your post arrived here. There are three remarks in Christian's article that I would like to share with all of us: 1. Bruno: "But today there is only one tenth of what had been found in Morocco two years ago." 2. Ahmed Pani: "There is really less material coming from the Sahara now." 3. Erich Haiderer: "There is still enough out there for decades to come." > For me there are not good or bad meteorites, there are well documented or > poorly documented meteorites, well preserved or weathered meteorites, nice > or bad looking meteorites and scientifically important or not meteorites, with > all the intermediate states. I absolutely agree with the above words! Very often conversations about our love for meteorites oscillate between how exotic, common, or historical they are, and, on the other hand we complain (!) about the decreasing prices and monetary values of our Hot Desert meteorites. One list member wrote to me in a private mail that prices for historical falls like - say, Juvinas, Steinbach, etc. - will never decrease as much as the prices for those classified or unclassified NWAs. Again our views are shifting towards the financial investigation and away from our enthusiasm for those "heavenly messengers". A lunar is a lunar, a Martian is a Martian. I for my part collect meteorites because I love them, not because I want to investigate and make profits - after all I am not a dealer but a collector. When we started collecting these asteroidal "crumbs" many years ago, we said: "Oh, if I only had a eucrite in my collection!" Now some of us will say: "A eucrite would be OK ... what? It's a NWA! ... and there are no coordinates, no total weight, ... ah, well I think I had better buy a Stannern eucrite. Thus I won't lose my money! And now a quick glance at Stannern in my database: Stannern: brecciated; monomict; noncumulate And, as a comparison, one of those Hot Desert meteorites: Sahara 98110: brecciated; monomict Any difference? OK, I know the Sahara 98110 does have coordinates which the Labennes will disclose at a later time, but do coordinates make a eucrite a eucrite? A scientifical approach to this problem would be different (see my post re: "NWA meteorites blessing or omen? / Wed, 13 Feb 2002) but, again, I am not a meteoriticist, I am a collector! Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Willamette Meteorite Donation
It will for me. Matt - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Matt Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "meteorite-list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Willamette Meteorite Donation > GREETINGS LIST, > A simple question: Will it stop there???- GRANT ELLIOTT > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Me, Einstein & Meteorites!
Hello list, First of all, the very exciting new: I realized this week that I might live now in the very same appartment that Mr. Albert Einstein occupied exactly 100 years ago (during 4 months). Same adress, same floor, not sure which appartement (the local Einstein museum is checking that for me)! The relativity theory wasn't developed here, but just 300 meters aways in 1905! Now the question: Did Mr. Einstein had an interest in meteorites? Regards, Julien __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites
Luc a écrit: > ... and about the NWA, those returned recently from Marocco > say that the quantity they saw in not so bigger that before. Bonjour Luc, Hello List, I was just reading Christian Pinter's article about the 2001 Mineral and Gem Show in Munic in Meteorite, Feb 2002, Vol. 8, No. 1, pp. 38-39, when your post arrived here. There are three remarks in Christian's article that I would like to share with all of us: 1. Bruno: "But today there is only one tenth of what had been found in Morocco two years ago." 2. Ahmed Pani: "There is really less material coming from the Sahara now." 3. Erich Haiderer: "There is still enough out there for decades to come." > For me there are not good or bad meteorites, there are well documented or > poorly documented meteorites, well preserved or weathered meteorites, nice > or bad looking meteorites and scientifically important or not meteorites, with > all the intermediate states. I absolutely agree with the above words! Very often conversations about our love for meteorites oscillate between how exotic, common, or historical they are, and, on the other hand we complain (!) about the decreasing prices and monetary values of our Hot Desert meteorites. One list member wrote to me in a private mail that prices for historical falls like - say, Juvinas, Steinbach, etc. - will never decrease as much as the prices for those classified or unclassified NWAs. Again our views are shifting towards the financial investigation and away from our enthusiasm for those "heavenly messengers". A lunar is a lunar, a Martian is a Martian. I for my part collect meteorites because I love them, not because I want to investigate and make profits - after all I am not a dealer but a collector. When we started collecting these asteroidal "crumbs" many years ago, we said: "Oh, if I only had a eucrite in my collection!" Now some of us will say: "A eucrite would be OK ... what? It's a NWA! ... and there are no coordinates, no total weight, ... ah, well I think I had better buy a Stannern eucrite. Thus I won't lose my money! And now a quick glance at Stannern in my database: Stannern: brecciated; monomict; noncumulate And, as a comparison, one of those Hot Desert meteorites: Sahara 98110: brecciated; monomict Any difference? OK, I know the Sahara 98110 does have coordinates which the Labennes will disclose at a later time, but do coordinates make a eucrite a eucrite? A scientifical approach to this problem would be different (see my post re: "NWA meteorites blessing or omen? / Wed, 13 Feb 2002) but, again, I am not a meteoriticist, I am a collector! Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Pelisson,s. METEORITE GODS
Just some correction on these informations, As you know, all the SAHXXX meteorites are our find from a location that we don't want to disclose at present time and for example the Sahara 99555 is the stone number 555 found in the year 1999. It's an official identification number which was used by our family and published in the meteoritic bulletin(Labenne family = Marc, Luc and Jim Labenne, not three brothers but two broters, me and Jim, Marc is our father). In the past we sold many unclassified individuals with 99XXX and 00XXX even if some are probably from the same large shower paired with the SAH98222 (a brecciated L6 with ringwoodite). The raison is that we have collected thousands of meteorites but only the "best" was classified. If a dealer have a analysis result and classification of one of these stones, it will be a pleasure to communicate the coordonates we have in our data base (except the degree). Yes, you'll find the list of the official meteorites named "Sahara x" in the different publication of the Meteoritical Bulletin and yes only few was classified and published but note that hundreds of samples are in different laboratories (the main part in Münster in Germany) still waiting that some researcher have interest in classified "ordinary chondrite" !! So we have sold also individuals with a sample removed and in this case the sample still wait classification... I'm sure the quantity of meteorites discovered is now go down because, even if the desert area in the world are large, there are not so many good place easy to visit to organized suystematic research. From our view, our best place we know in the Sahara (not disclosed) are almost empty, only few more good places exist in Libya but not easily accessible, the Dhofar and SAU places in Oman were a very good place (we have found twelve individual Lunar meteorites) but seem now almost empty and about the NWA, those returned recently from Marocco say that the quantity they saw in not so bigger that before. Now it' s the time to acquire the rare and common stuff from hot desert at a very good price, for example you'll find classified chondrites with black fusion crust (SAU001) at only $250 by kilo, thin slices (1mm thick) of SNC at $300/g and Lunar at $1500/g (1g minimal order). In my opinion in probably one more year when only few new meteorites will appear on the market (if you compare with the hundred of new meteorites now), the prices will increase. For me there are not good or bad meteorites (the bad supposely from Marocco/NWA and the good from USA or other places), there are well documented or poorly documented meteorites, well preserved or weathered meteorites, nice or bad looking meteorites and scientificaly important or not meteorites, with all the intermediate state. Meteoriticaly, Luc Labenne for Labenne Meteorites, Visit our new web site at http://ww.lunar-meteorite.com http://www.labenne-meteorites.com A 16:21 12/02/02, dean bessey a écrit : >As many of you know I have sold artifacts for longer than I have sold >meteorites. One of the ploys that some slimy artifact dealers do is to tell >anybody who brings them something for them to authtenticate is to tell them >that it is a fake. That way they think that the potential nieve customer >will feel that he is a very knowledgable dealer and in the future only buy >stuff from him. I once had a dealer do that to me with an egyptian artifact >with prominance from a famous collection that was shown to several experts >including one of the worlds leading experts of artifats with the British >Museum. >Meteorite dealers might try this also. I had a customer who bought a common >chondrite from morocco from me once who contacted another dealer who said >that he would classify it for him (Since my understanding is that Marvin >Kilgore is the only dealer who can classify meteorites you know that they >story is fishy already because it wasnt kilgore who did this) and then told >him that it was not a meteorite. >What does this have to do with the Pelissons? Absolutely nothing. However it >is an example of slimy tactics that certain dealers use when they try to >undermine some aspect of a business that they dont like (Such as competation >for instance). >Here is a letter written by the Pelissons to some collector asking if they >could authtenticate a desert meteorite. I make no comments here (Dont want >Art mad at me) but the slime speaks for itself. The Pellisons are of course >technically right in what they say here. Its just that one would think from >reading the Pelisson letter that desert meteorites are nothing short of a >scam that wouldent be touched by serious dealers or researshers. The >Pellisons are distorting facts to put down a part of the sahara meteorite >business that they dont like. It should be noted that this letter was not >written to a customer of mine and was given to me by another dealer. >This
