Re: [meteorite-list] Awfully quiet
Hi, all, The archives here makes the MetList very relevant and irreplaceable, in my humble opinion. A lot of knowledge stored there! Links are allowed, so pictures can be attached to posts (indirectly) like that. My only issue is that plain text formatting means that some good messages will miss being posted if not so adjusted. Cheers, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] John Kashuba
Please contact me. Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] LINK
No magic crystals? No holistic candles? I'm with Mike - way to mix garbage in with science! Shame! From: m...@meteoriteguy.com Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 08:32:00 -0700 To: mlbl...@cox.net CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] LINK Why are you selling Alien crap? Is this a meteorite auction or a junk show? It took me 15 minutes to try and download the list due to that. By the way, the 48 lb Canyon Diablo is a Campo Del Cielo. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jan 27, 2014, at 5:54 AM, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: OOOPS http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/AuctionTucson2014.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Animation of Meteorite Strikes throughout History
Hi,All, Here's a very cool animation of meteorite strikes! http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-05/awesome-animated-timeline-shows-eyewitness-accounts-meteorite-blasts-through-history http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-05/awesome-animated-timeline-shows-eyewitness-accounts-meteorite-blasts-through-history The link to the actual animation is within the article's text. Cheers, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Dirk Ross!
Happy birthday, Dirk! Tanjoubi omedetou! Pete From: altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:19:09 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Dirk Ross! Happy Birthday to our bolide-reporter N°1, Dirk Ross, Tokyo! Dirk himself... http://kuerzer.de/DaDirk ...and in his office http://kuerzer.de/DaDirkhisoffice Best! Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is this oriented?
IMHO, if it's got flow lines, it's oriented! Pete Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 20:02:34 -0500 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com CC: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this oriented? I wouldn't describe it as oriented, but that word is in the eye of the beholder I guess. To me, Lafayette is the poster child for orientation and flowlines. I guess you could say this - if you have to ask, it's not. ;) Best regards, MikeG PS - it's a very nice specimen, oriented or not. :) -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/4/13, Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com wrote: Hi List. Can someone look at this picture and tell me if it is oriented? It is a 6.58 gm. whole stone of Millbillillie with 100% crust with flow lines. Top of meteorite is up, and conical tapering to a wide bottom. I bought this years ago and believe the Dealer said it was oriented but have had not much success making contact with the Dealer. I could take it out of the case and take more pics but I am being lazy (shame on me) thus using a picture I already had taken. Thank Guys/Gals. Here is the Link: http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/millbillillie.html?r=20130304181254 Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders www.ctreasurescwonders.com IMCA #0960 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Flu shot before Tucson?
It takes about two weeks for a flu shot to take effect in the body. Pete From: veom...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:13:35 -0500 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Flu shot before Tucson? Hey list, Question in general, and more specifically for list members coming to Tucson: if you haven't gotten one already, is it worth it to get a flu shot before coming to Tucson? -Yinan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Hi, All, More and more I'm seeing the use of the term Unobserved Fall. Is Find obsolete, and observed or unobserved fall is the new vernacular? The old terms seemed straighforward to me, so I'm wondering why the change was necessary. Cheers, Pete From: valpar...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 00:00:11 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Taza Contributed by: Anne Black http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Water cutting question
I do! I fill all my old distilled four litre jugs with tap water and let them sit with the caps off for about seven days. A chemist buddy of mine said it takes about 24 hours for any chlorine and other gasses to dissipate, but with the narrow neck and relatively small cap opening, to be prudent, after a couple of days I give it each jug a shake and leave it again for a few more. Cheers, Pete From: mikest...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:17:37 -0800 To: raremeteori...@yahoo.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Water cutting question Adam, Mike, Carl, and list: The main constituents in pure water that cause corrosion are dissolved gasses. Does anyone de-gas their cutting water? Michael in so. Cal. On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Who knows what chemicals lurk in tap water? By purifying it, you are removing the unknowns. I have seen, for lack of a better term, Lawrencite disease creep up, especially with tap water that contains chlorine which seems to accelerate the problem. I have had no issues cutting with purified water as long as the contact time has been minimized. I guess purifying it could make the water more acidic but I also monitor the PH level and have not seen much of a difference. Other alternative coolants such as mineral oil, pure ethyl alcohol or kerosine do not appeal to me anymore, mainly due to fumes, ignition or the smell left in the specimens. Adam From: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:35 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Water cutting question I have been following the thread on cutting irons in water. My question is, why distilled or purified water rather than tap water? I was under the impression that purified water, i.e. ultrapure water, is much more corrosive than mineralized water like spring water or tap water. In fact, ultrapure water is so corrosive it is often used in clean labs as a cleaning medium for surfaces. Also, the pharmaceutical industry no longer uses stainless steel tubing for ultrapure water because of corrosion -- they use Teflon or polyethylene instead I believe. Wouldn't pure water be worse on iron oxidation than mineral water? I can understand using pure water to cut down on trace element contamination for geochemical srtudies, especially on stones, but I don't see how this helps for keeping irons from rusting. Also, while we are at it, what is the best blade for cutting irons? Thanks, Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Poles Unearth 300 kilo Meteorite
Hi, All, An interesting article: http://phys.org/news/2012-10-poles-unearth-rare-kilo-meteorite.html http://phys.org/news/2012-10-poles-unearth-rare-kilo-meteorite.html Polish geologists have unearthed the largest meteorite ever found in Eastern Europe and are hoping the rare find will provide fresh clues about the composition of the Earth's inner core, they said Wednesday. A cone shape is described - possibly nicely oriented? Cheers, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The $5 Million Meteorite Collection
How many of those gorgeous NWA 5000 displays were created? Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 08:39:03 +0200 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com From: karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de Subject: [meteorite-list] The $5 Million Meteorite Collection The $5 Million Meteorite Collection http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/09/meteorite-collector/ But what about us? “We'll always have the pictures. ;-) Best wishes Martin Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Enstatite Connection to Mercury
Hi, All, I just came across this: Mercury's Surface Resembles Rare Meteorites http://www.space.com/17727-mercury-surface-rare-meteorites.html http://www.space.com/17727-mercury-surface-rare-meteorites.html ...The surface is dominated by minerals high in magnesium and enriched in sulfur, making it similar to partially melted versions of an enstatite chondrite, a rare type of meteorite that formed at high temperatures in low-oxygen conditions in the inner solar system. (The price of enstatites just went up!;)) Unless I've missed it, there hasn't been any connection of angrites to Mercury come out of Messenger's analysed data, correct? It's safe to assume angrites have an unknown source but not Mercury, at this time? Best, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] GPS Advice
Evening, All, This topic comes up from time to time, but quickly becomes dated when new products appear on the market so I know others will benefit from the info, too. I'm looking at the Garmin Etrex 20 handheld GPS, which seems to be a good unit. Does anyone on the List use and endorse this one, or is there something better to consider? My limit is under $200.00 Cheers, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] how many lunar/martian meteorites?
I would be very surprised if there is a more comprehensive Lunar list than at WUStL: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/more_info_lunar.htm http://meteorites.wustl.edu/more_info_lunar.htm Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:05:50 -0700 From: mlbl...@cox.net To: impact...@aol.com; coj...@tiscali.it; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] how many lunar/martian meteorites? Hi Anne, It seems you are getting flack for the not so rare anymore Phraseology, but Rare is a relative term so not worth ongoing Debate. My question is this: Is this one of our top experts willing To put up a web page listing all these lunars and Martians? If Not, would he be willing to email me the list and I will Put up a page and happily give him full credit RSVP Thanks, Michael On 9/5/12 9:20 AM, Met. Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote: Hello Francesco, I just asked a few days ago, and one of our very top experts told me that there are 67 martians and 85 lunars known so far. And there are at least 2 martians and 1 lunar getting classified. There are not so rare anymore! Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc -Original Message- From: Francesco Moser coj...@tiscali.it To: Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:39 am Subject: [meteorite-list] how many lunar/martian meteorites? Hello! Could someone tell me how many different lunar and martian meteorites are now recognized? From the MetBul: Lunar #155 Martian #106 And without the pairings??? For example: there are 6 number from DaG ... but really there are only 2different lunar meteorites! http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites_list_alpha.htm http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/index.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=valids =stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Lunar+ met eoritesmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=0pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=1 http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/index.php?sea=%2Asfor=namesants=falls=val ids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Mar tia n+meteoritesmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=0pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=1 Thanks! Francesco! IMCA #1510 PS: The Norbert Classen web site could give me an answer to my question but seem to be down :( http://www.meteoris.de http://www.meteoris.de/luna/list.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] how many lunar/martian meteorites?
Hi, Mike, I'm not sure if this is the best, but for Martians, I have this one bookmarked: http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/ http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/ and for tektites, I use our own Norm Lehrman's site: http://www.tektitesource.com/ http://www.tektitesource.com/ Cheers, Pete Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:36:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] how many lunar/martian meteorites? From: mlbl...@cox.net To: rsvp...@hotmail.com; impact...@aol.com; coj...@tiscali.it; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Pete, Agreed! Howsabout a similar listing of Martians? Anyone? Michael On 9/5/12 2:12 PM, Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com wrote: I would be very surprised if there is a more comprehensive Lunar list than at WUStL: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/more_info_lunar.htm http://meteorites.wustl.edu/more_info_lunar.htm Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:05:50 -0700 From: mlbl...@cox.net To: impact...@aol.com; coj...@tiscali.it; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] how many lunar/martian meteorites? Hi Anne, It seems you are getting flack for the not so rare anymore Phraseology, but Rare is a relative term so not worth ongoing Debate. My question is this: Is this one of our top experts willing To put up a web page listing all these lunars and Martians? If Not, would he be willing to email me the list and I will Put up a page and happily give him full credit RSVP Thanks, Michael On 9/5/12 9:20 AM, Met. Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote: Hello Francesco, I just asked a few days ago, and one of our very top experts told me that there are 67 martians and 85 lunars known so far. And there are at least 2 martians and 1 lunar getting classified. There are not so rare anymore! Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc -Original Message- From: Francesco Moser coj...@tiscali.it To: Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:39 am Subject: [meteorite-list] how many lunar/martian meteorites? Hello! Could someone tell me how many different lunar and martian meteorites are now recognized? From the MetBul: Lunar #155 Martian #106 And without the pairings??? For example: there are 6 number from DaG ... but really there are only 2different lunar meteorites! http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites_list_alpha.htm http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/index.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=valids =stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Lunar+ met eoritesmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=0pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=1 http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/index.php?sea=%2Asfor=namesants=falls=val ids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Mar tia n+meteoritesmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=0pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=1 Thanks! Francesco! IMCA #1510 PS: The Norbert Classen web site could give me an answer to my question but seem to be down :( http://www.meteoris.de http://www.meteoris.de/luna/list.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (no subject)
Interesting marketing: Buy Finnish, get meteorite? ...If you want a music album you can pay €6.51 or more, but this one is kind of unique: The top five cash-forker-over’s get a piece of an actual meteorite! The Shattered Horizon devs really like their space thing, and are handing out five – I assume pretty small – pieces of the Sikhote-Alin meteorite that fell in Russian in 1947, with display cases and certificates of authenticity. Oh, and you get a t-shirt too. http://www.mcvnordic.com/news/read/buy-finnish-get-meteorite/0102053 http://www.mcvnordic.com/news/read/buy-finnish-get-meteorite/0102053 Cheers, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: (sorry) Meteorite Marketing
Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Interesting marketing: Buy Finnish, get meteorite? ...If you want a music album you can pay €6.51 or more, but this one is kind of unique: The top five cash-forker-over’s get a piece of an actual meteorite! The Shattered Horizon devs really like their space thing, and are handing out five – I assume pretty small – pieces of the Sikhote-Alin meteorite that fell in Russian in 1947, with display cases and certificates of authenticity. Oh, and you get a t-shirt too. http://www.mcvnordic.com/news/read/buy-finnish-get-meteorite/0102053 http://www.mcvnordic.com/news/read/buy-finnish-get-meteorite/0102053 Cheers, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Vernacular of Meteorite
Hi, all, I don't recall this being discussed here before and hopefully I'm not being too anal, but is the definition of meteorite evolving, or is it being used improperly here (and frequently in the past when referring to the ISS and these shields). Cheers, Pete http://rbth.ru/articles/2012/08/20/russian_cosmonauts_to_install_anti-meteorite_shelter_on_iss_17508.html http://rbth.ru/articles/2012/08/20/russian_cosmonauts_to_install_anti-meteorite_shelter_on_iss_17508.html Russian cosmonauts to install anti-meteorite shelter on ISS __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Celebrity Collector: Geoff Notkin
Well written, I thought! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/reyne-haines/geoff-notkin-_b_1684419.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/reyne-haines/geoff-notkin-_b_1684419.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Egypt’s extraterrestrial heritage
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/47631/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/Egypt%E2%80%99s-extraterrestrial-heritage.aspx Some sites are beyond the traditional classification of heritage, yet are worthy of attention and protection, such as Egypt's Kamil Crater which was only even noticed using Google Earth... __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Quickie
Brilliant, Sterling! I believe you've just written the next verse for Monty Python's Galaxy Song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buqtdpuZxvk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buqtdpuZxvk From: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: nf11...@npgcable.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 14:53:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Quickie Jim, List, Whoops! The Sun revolves around the center of our galaxy at about 220 km/sec which suggests a period of about 240,000,000 years. That's the current estimate, although the range of calculated values runs from 225 million years to 250, so the Sun has made 20 orbits so far. Oddly, it's a retrograde (backwards) orbit. What isn't known is the ECCENTRICITY of that orbit. If it's reasonably eccentric, has the Sun plunged down through the Galactic Core region 20 times? The Core is incredibly crowded with stars and dust and molecular clouds and weird sh-..., er, stuff of every kind. It's really crowded in that neighborhood. Look at a picture of a spiral galaxy and you'll see what I mean. The prospect of that particular joyride is a little daunting, at least to me. Every time I read that some geologist or other has detected a 250 million year periodicity in major change on Earth (like orogeny), it bothers me. Now, you know that eight-year-old is going to ask the next question, What does the Galaxy go around? The answer is the barycenter of the Local Group, which is itself in orbit around the barycenter of the Virgo Supercluster, which is itself heading a some good speed toward the Great Attractor, about which we know little... or maybe nothing, except it must be a whopper. If he's the eight-year-old I think he is, he will then ask, Does the Universe go around anything? Sheesh. In 1949, Kurt Gödel published an exact and perfect alternative solution of Einstein's equations in which the Universe rotates (but doesn't have an axis). It also has a number of other truly spooky properties that give me a headache. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del_metric Since then, others have published other exact and perfect solutions of Einstein's equations all of which show rotation. None of these solutions are testable, at least not so far. But you can cut off the eight-year-old with The universe is everything there is, so there's nothing else for it to go around. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Jim Wooddell nf11...@npgcable.com To: Meteorite-List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Quickie It was science week at an elementary school. A third grade teacher was teaching the young kids in his class about the solar system. He came in early one day and moved all the desks to the side of the classroom on each wall. He proceeded to set up the sun and planets using various sized styrofoam balls on stands that represented our sun, planets and moons. It took several hours to set up and filled the center of the class room. Later that morning, after the children arrived, he walked around explaining the orbits, and how things worked. Afterwards the children could ask questions. One young girl asked how the moon went around the earth. So he grabbed the moon and showed her how it went around the earth. Another young student asked how the earth went around the sun. So with the help of the young girl the asked the first question, he show the earth going around the sun at the same time the moon was going around the earth! It took some coordination! One of the brighter students then asked the questionif all these planets go around the sun, then what does the sun go around?? The teacher looked around the room, paused and said, Good Question! Are we having fun yet? Cheers! Jim Jim Wooddell http://k7wfr.us __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter Mill Garmin files
A lot of appreciated work! One day I'll make it to one, hopefully closer to home. A couple of questions: We know now that it's a very fragile carbonaceous - how long before the elements completely obliterate what hasn't yet been recovered? A couple of rains? Also, would it be safe to say that the strewn field indicates a sideways mid-air fanning, instead of a classical linear trail? Cheers, Pete From: rickm...@earthlink.net To: nf11...@npgcable.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 16:59:00 -0700 CC: desertsunb...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter Mill Garmin files Jim...VERY cool! (good advice about Crotalis as well...take heed.) -Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Jim Wooddell nf11...@npgcable.com To: Meteorite-List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: desertsunburn desertsunb...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter Mill Garmin files All, Rob Matson sent me his Google Earth kmz file to share which includes the radar overlay. It is together with the other files below the pictures on this page; http://k7wfr.us/sm/ Thanks Rob! For your viewing pleasure! Enjoy! Jim Jim Wooddell http://k7wfr.us __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NEO LAST NIGHT
My first thought was an iridium flare. Cheers, Pete Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 09:37:37 -0600 From: c...@alumni.caltech.edu To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NEO LAST NIGHT There are no NEOs anywhere near that bright. The only orbiting object that bright is the ISS. Most likely, this was a VERY near Earth object, like an airplane or weather balloon. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 5/9/2012 9:15 AM, Steve Dunklee wrote: Saw an near earth object last night @4:45am central time. First saw it just below polaris in the northern sky with a brightness like Venus at its brightest. where it started was obscured by a roof. It continued in an easternly direction passing the bottom of Cassiopea and faded out just to its left in i think the bottom of ?Draco? Found no postings on heavens above for an astroid passing by so if im first this ones name is Lesa2012. Cheers Steve __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] On the hunt with California's 'meteor zombies'
I've never been on a hunt. What is the chant in place of Braaains!? Cheers, Pete From: dori...@embarqmail.com To: anitawestl...@att.net; nwa...@comcast.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 14:15:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] On the hunt with California's 'meteor zombies' The meteor zombies are looking for stones they believe contains Element 115 (ununpentium) that can be used as Focusing Stones to control zombies in much the same way HAARP uses cell phone towers for mind control of the American population. ;-) Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Anita Westlake anitawestl...@att.net To: Jim Strope nwa...@comcast.net; meteorite central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] On the hunt with California's 'meteor zombies' Meteorite Zombies?? That's a new one on me. Anita - Original Message From: Jim Strope nwa...@comcast.net To: meteorite central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, May 4, 2012 1:28:52 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] On the hunt with California's 'meteor zombies' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17944373 Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite main mass hunting with a blimp
I don't know how accurate this is...(map with recovery information) http://www.sacbee.com/2012/05/04/4464802/interactive-map-see-where-meteorites.html http://www.sacbee.com/2012/05/04/4464802/interactive-map-see-where-meteorites.html From: rickm...@earthlink.net To: m...@meteoriteguy.com; karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; mexicod...@aim.com Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 07:57:51 -0700 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite main mass hunting with a blimp Hi again List...we're expecting 25mph winds starting this afternoon through the weekend. - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: m...@meteoriteguy.com; karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite main mass hunting with a blimp Sounds to me more like a publicity stunt from the blimp company, offered to scientists free for publicity they can get for their blimp rides. Pretty good marketing on the company's part, IMO. As for scientists, pretty sure they are going for free, just their fixed overhead expense will be lost to the government, their grant, private company or whatever combination they work under. Surely they told their bosses they would do it on a weekend, or work the weekend to make it up, it's all funny money anyway and anyways, in their business and all of government in general Work expands so as to fill the time available for its completion., so nothing really lost and they will love their jobs more. Who among us wouldn't go in a heartbeat, come'on. Anyway if they follow the estimate trajectory line they conceivably might see something from a different perspective, like Tunguska :-P, but it really sounds more like they are goofing off. Well, they have the chance to get the last laugh. Scientists routinely use expensive fitted jets to stay aloft many hours during meteor showers just to get better sampling of the action from the higher altitude. I can see where one idea led to another. At least Sky Adventures or whatever it's called will see a spike of business. Best wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de Cc: met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, May 3, 2012 8:09 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite main mass hunting with a blimp My god, these are the people who can't pay a dime or samples but can piss away our taxpayer money on this? My wife is a pilot, I fly with her often, you can not see a 50 gallon barrel from 500 ft up. Good luck with that plan. Must be nice to work on the expense account! Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2012, at 12:33 PM, karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de wrote: Watch out for the blimp ! A new way of hunting the Sutter's Mill 'main mass': Scientists today are mounting a massive search in the Sierra Nevada foothills for meteorite fragments [...] Experts from NASA and the SETI institute are en route to Sacramento this morning aboard a zeppelin provided by Airship Ventures, based at Moffett Field in the Bay Area. They were expected to stop briefly at McClellan Park airfield around 11 a.m., then lift off again to spend the afternoon surveying foothill regions of Placer and El Dorado counties. http://www.sacbee.com/2012/05/03/4463578/scientists-on-the-hunt-for-meteorite.html Track the ship here: http://www.airshipventures.com/about/track-the-ship GOOD LUCK !! Martin Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Why is aluminum foil better for protection?
Good question, Jim! Actually, I asked the same question years ago on the List after I noticed virtually every ASMET specimen displayed on the internet seemed to be in an aluminum pie plate. One Listee advised that this practice is done in their labs only because every tiny speck is easily seen on the aluminum, and thereby less likely anything would be unknowingly discarded. That made sense to me, but like you seeing it in the field didn't, knowing how easily foil tears. Cheers, Pete From: nf11...@npgcable.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 08:50:32 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Why is aluminum foil better for protection? Hi all! Being one that has always doubled plastic bagged finds, I would like to ask why aluminum foil is considered to be better at protecting from contamination? In fact, I witnessed two times where different techniques, aluminum foil and membrane boxes were replaced with plastic bags because there were issues with those techniques and stress to the specimens. And in those cases we did not have to be PhD's to see the stress placed on the specimens. I think this is a very important topic in handling meteorites. 1. At the Sutter Mill fall, I watched NASA employee's handing out small squares of aluminum foil. This foil had been cut in squares about 5 or 6 inches square. It was removed out of a PLASTIC bag and then handed to those that needed it without the use of gloves and then some were folded up and placed in a pocket. So, technically, no one could tell you what was on that foil when a specimen was placed in it. 2. The specimen had already been on the ground in an area that is moist from morning dew, etc. Additionally, it rained! 3. Because people really wanted to see the specimens, the foil was constantly opened and close around the specimen. In one sample I looked at, crumbs were seen in the foil! Note that these appeared very delicate and once these samples were seen by us we all immediately made efforts at protecting them at best we could and gave good instruction on handling. To me, it was clear foil was a bad idea. And I know I can be totally wrong about such things. Most of us there immediately protected the specimens once seen. In fact, we were filmed using good technique in handing a very nice sample, using plastic bags and doubling them. 1. Most people do not handle the inside of a plastic bag. So any contamination from the bag likely remains constant and can probably be predicted if it is that critical. 2. The bags protected the sample by allowing people to view the sample without removing it from the bag as opposed to the aluminum foil constantly being opened and closed. 3. The plastic surface was much more friendly to the surface of the specimens. 4. Moisture in the bags could be better controlled if necessary by use of absorbent. So, how is aluminum foil better??? What do we protect the sample from better by using aluminum foil? Cosmic rays? I am missing something here and I would appreciate a good qualified answer because right now, from what I witnessed, it's a myth that does more harm than good! Anyways, I scored enough fragments and I am happy I did not skunk and I am glad Mike did not get bit by that rattle snake! I talked to a few of the locals and rangers in the area and they all said they do have a lot of rattle snakes in the area and now is when they come out. So those that are still there, be safe! Back home in AZnow, what to do with those fragments! What awesome CAI's!!! Jim Jim Wooddell http://k7wfr.us __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone have info on this eBay item? Dust Moon rock Apollo11
I'm guessing his front garden. I see his history is selling cheap digital cameras. The same old shtick connecting WUSTL and Actlabs to his dirt. Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:14:20 -0400 From: volg...@icx.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone have info on this eBay item? Dust Moon rock Apollo11 Anyone know the 'source' of this material? Dust Moon rock Apollo11 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dust-Moon-rock-Apollo11-/190669605467?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2c64cb4a5b Just wondering?!?! John __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Slide Show just posted by the University of Arizona
Hi, Larry, Very well done! I'd like to hear more about the extrasolar particles discovered. The most I've ever come across at one time is no more than a few sentences. I assume those particles would predate the solar content? Best, Pete Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 04:28:11 -0700 From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Slide Show just posted by the University of Arizona Hello Everyone: University of Arizona News just posted the following slide show about meteorites featuring our own Dolores Hill! http://uanews.org/node/45837 Enjoy. Larry Lebofsky Latest approach to dealing with asteroids... http://www.strath.ac.uk/press/newsreleases/headline_602313_en.html Of course, this could mean, no more meteorites... Pioneering engineers at the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow are developing an innovative technique based on lasers that could radically change asteroid deflection technology. The research has unearthed the possibility of using a swarm of relatively small satellites flying in formation and cooperatively firing solar-powered lasers onto an asteroid – this would overcome the difficulties associated with current methods that are focused on large unwieldy spacecraft. Dr Massimiliano Vasile, of Strathclyde’s Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering, is leading the research. He said: “The approach we are developing would involve sending small satellites, capable of flying in formation with the asteroid and firing their lasers targeting the asteroid at close range. “The use of high power lasers in space for civil and commercial applications is in its infancy and one of the main challenges is to have high power, high efficiency and high beam quality all at the same time. “The additional problem with asteroid deflection is that when the laser begins to break down the surface of the object, the plume of gas and debris impinges the spacecraft and contaminates the laser. However, our laboratory tests have proven that the level of contamination is less than expected and the laser could continue to function for longer than anticipated.� Just over 100 years ago a 2000-kilometer area of vegetation was destroyed when an object believed to be 30-50 metres in diameter exploded in the skies above Tunguska, Siberia. While the likelihood of an immediate threat from a similar asteroid strike remains low, it is widely recognised that researching preventative measures is of significant importance. Dr Vasile added: “The Tunguska class of events are expected to occur within a period of a few centuries. Smaller asteroids collide with Earth more frequently and generally burn in the atmosphere although some of them reach the ground or explode at low altitude potentially causing damage to buildings and people. “We could reduce the threat posed by the potential collision with small to medium size objects using a flotilla of small agile spacecraft each equipped with a highly efficient laser which is much more feasible than a single large spacecraft carrying a multi mega watt. Our system is scalable, a larger asteroid would require adding one or more spacecraft to the flotilla, and intrinsically redundant - if one spacecraft fails the others can continue.� Dr Vasile is now investigating the use of the same concept to remove space debris. The number of objects in orbit classified as debris is ever-increasing and with no widely accepted solution for their removal. Researchers at the University of Strathclyde believe the space-borne lasers could be used to lower the original orbit of the space debris and reduce the congestion. Dr Vasile said: “The amount of debris in orbit is such that we might experience a so called Kessler syndrome – this is when the density becomes so high that collisions between objects could cause an exponentially increasing cascade of other collisions. “While there is significant monitoring in place to keep track of these objects, there is no specific system in place to remove them and our research could be a possible solution. “A major advantage of using our technique is that the laser does not have to be fired from the ground. Obviously there are severe restrictions with that process as it has to travel through the atmosphere, has a constrained range of action and can hit the debris only for short arcs.� The research was carried out in collaboration with the University of Strathclyde’s Institute of Photonics and was presented to the Planetary Society at the end of February.  25 March 2012 DRVann __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Amber Overstock - Buy Amber, Get Free Meteorites! And, FREE MARTIAN MICROS!
Hi, Mike, Doug, and All, It seems that an attraction to meteorites draws a crowd that just likes a variety of old stuff. I, too, am fascinated by amber! Being of Lithuanian heritage, I have a lot at my disposal for examination. Under the stereo microscope, staring at a preserved bubble knowing there is ancient air preserved inside, or multiple star-shaped oak pollen that in my imagination are still viable, is mesmerizing. I have found that maybe one out of twenty pea-size samples I have have some form of tiny critter within it, mostly gnats or similar. One contains what appears to be a midge with a full, bloated abdomen. (I'm just reading up on DNA so I can clone my own dinosaur with the help of a frog from my pond.) I purchased a Baltic amber specimen containing a spider and an ant recently from someone who is a well-established and reputable amber dealer on Ebay. There are no cracks or seams, or any suspicious signs of tampering, but how can I be sure these aren't modern insects implanted? I don't suspect that, but I'd like to hear some opinions what to look out for, for future purchases. Cheers, Pete Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 12:58:47 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: mexicod...@aim.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Amber Overstock - Buy Amber, Get Free Meteorites! And, FREE MARTIAN MICROS! Hi Doug, My amber collection come primarily from an old collection that pre-dates the 1960s. The source I get it from is a long-time partner that I trust more than 50% of the meteorite people I know. What's more, several pieces and lots have sold to universities for amber studies, and all have been verified and genuine unaltered. I'm happy with them, but I just have too much it - over 2 kilos of small to medium pieces - which is many individual pieces because amber doesn't weigh much, I have pieces from over a dozen localities, including rare types like Burmite, New Jersey, Lebanese, etc. Counting copals, the number of localities rises significantly. The Chiapas region is not safe any more, so supply is dwindling from that area. I'll sit down tonight to edit most of the listings and changed the terminology from raw to unsearched or rough. It's about 75 listings, so it will take me a while. But I want to make sure my terminology is correct - unlike the multiple meteorite dealers who insist on referring to desert varnish as fusion crust. LOL Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 4/3/12, MexicoDoug wrote: Hi Mike, listers I just looked at some of your interesting ambar, as I happen to have a resiny spot in my fossilized heart for the stuff, too. Ambar is a difficult subject for casual enthusiasts. So I just wanted to add a couple of tips while you have your ambar for meteorites swap going on. Baltic amber: 90% of tyhe stuff being sold in shows and over the internet is reconstituted, as are most of the inclusions,. basically faked IMO. When buying Baltic, since scrap and tiny pieces can be combined by just melting it together, be sure to understand exactly what you are getting from your supplier and only buy from one you trust. Any of the stuff with that look of bubbles which the non-natural history enthusiast may think looks interesting - those bubbles are caused by reconstitution; etc. Know your supplier. Mexican ámbar. Mike has a cute selection. Bring back lots of memories of hinfections of falling down mudbanks, crumbling mountainsides and collapsing crap everywhere; and foolishly risking life to recover lots of this stuff on site, were were mud falls, bad Mayans aad a host of obstacles all tending to slit your throat if you let down your guard there, including one guy who unsuccessfully did his best to kill me in an old fashioned fight that I didn't start. Sheesh, I think he was from another planet or nuts, thought there are many like him and murders are commonplace. Like I said a lot of fun memories, and all that for basically a waste of time as I haven't sold more than three pieces except many rare insect inclusion stuff (I have piles of this stuff). Attached is a sample of some real raw stuff I happen to have with me at the moment; Mike's stuff almost all labeled as *raw*, should all be labeled as *rough*, it is not raw. The rough stuff you can get an idea how clear the ambar is inside; the raw stuff has a black coating something like fusion crust around it and this crust gets broken when pieces are chipped out of the ground matrix in which they are found. Clear is cool, valued more, but most have not insects, but moss inclusions inside them. The chances of finding any insect of sigicicance from rough stuff is next to impossible. The locals just wet the suface and can see whatever is inside., and then it gets sold as 'unsearched', anyway. Let me tell you, they could find a protozoan inclusion in
[meteorite-list] Smithsonian Meteorite Room
Hi, All, Here's a short introductory video to the Smithsonian meteorite Clean Room: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=furi9DuoQlU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=furi9DuoQlU Cheers, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Speaking of Auctions - Tissint
...for the price of a Ferrari! http://www.chait.com/asp/fullcatalogue.asp?salelot=NH1205+++134+refno=++133235image=0 ...Estimate $200,000-300,000 Cheers, Pete Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 14:54:17 -0700 From: countde...@earthlink.net To: mexicod...@aim.com; meteoritem...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Auction Kings meteorite - $2000 Sikhote Alin Hi List, Most auctioneers and auction bidders wouldn't be able to tell a meteorite from a charcoal briquet. I think the rock in question sold cheap. The seller could have put $2,000 as the reserve and those bidders would have slugged it out to an even higher figure. Why do I say that? Because what they did proved They didn't know market prices, so they were being motivated by mystique, the Public misconception of value due to popular media BS... and finally...good ole competition between each other. Seen it happen a hundred times. It will keep happening until we screw it up by flooding the small auction houses with meteorites and telling everyone when they have paid too much. And if it bothers you to see someone pay more for something than you would. Then ask yourself...Am I upset because I could have been the seller and made that killing? Or am I upset because somebody made a bad buy? I thought so. Regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com Sent: Mar 23, 2012 12:43 PM To: meteoritem...@gmail.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Auction Kings meteorite - $2000 Sikhote Alin Mike G wrote: He opens it and brings out a Sikhote Alin shrapnel about the size of a grapefruit. I'd guess the piece would sell on the meteorite market or eBay for about $250-$300. The owner's desired price of $1000 seemed unrealistic to me. Mike, very entertaining! I think I will start meteorite hunting on eBay. I sure would be easier than in the field if what this is true. A Sikhote the size of a grapefruit, if we use the United States Department of Agriculture's (USDA) definition for an average pink grapefruit size, is ... 3.61 kg. So less eBay and paypal commissions, we must be receiving $218 for these Sikhote grapefruits, because we have an addiction to giving stuff away on eBay. ;-) The problem with I caught a fish and it was *this big* is you are building a story around a supposition you have made, when in fact $1000 may have been a reasonable offering price for the meteorite, or it may not have. Do you think 2.29 kg Campo for $749 is a better deal? http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/campo-del-cielo-iron-meteorite--big-centerpiece-specimen-229kg and a bunch of people who don't know jack about meteorites ???: huh? What does an isolated sales price have to do with knowing about meteorites? Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Mar 23, 2012 10:38 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Auction Kings meteorite - $2000 Sikhote Alin Hi Folks, So last night I was going through the channel guide on cable TV and I saw that a show called Auction Kings was going to have a segment featuring a meteorite. I had never watched this show before, but I was very curious to see what type of meteorite would be shown. Apparently, the show is about a local auction house somewhere (not sure where). People bring in unusual items and the auction house sells them at open auction while the cameras follow the action. The meteorite segment came and here is where the fun begins This guy walks in carrying a Pelican-style case about the size of a camera case. He opens it and brings out a Sikhote Alin shrapnel about the size of a grapefruit. The meteorite had a nice patina, but the shape was not very interesting or sculpted. In other words, it was what most of us would call a lump, but it was obvious from the appearance that it was a genuine Sikhote. First, the auction house guy was impressed because the meteorite had a certificate of authenticity. I thought this was laughable for obvious reasons and a man who runs an auction house should know that 99% of COA's are not worth the paper they are printed on. I can go outside, grab a rock from my driveway, and print up an official-looking COA for it. Next, the owner proceeds to demonstrate that the meteorite is magnetic because a magnet will stick to it and that is one of the key tests to determine if a meteorite is genuine. I'll skip comment on this misconception and use of improper terminology because the real kicker was still to come. So the owner tells the auction house that he is hoping to sell the meteorite to help pay for a vacation to Paris and he wants $1000 for it. Ok, at no point in the show was
Re: [meteorite-list] What private collector has the most localities?
If it weren't for specks, I'd never have the priviledge of owning six Lunars and two Martians, and some other rare types. When you have a decent microscope, size becomes less of an issue. Also, if I sneeze and lose one, replacement won't kill me!;) Pete Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:45:49 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: j...@hc.fdn.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What private collector has the most localities? Hi List, Some very interesting replies, here and in private. I want to thank everyone for indulging me on this question. A couple of thoughts about specimen viability or validity in terms of size. As someone who deals mostly in sub-gram micromounts, I have had a lot of dealings with collectors who purchase tiny micro crumbs and specks. In my experience, I have not met any collectors who acquire tiny specimens by choice. I have never met a collector who could afford a larger specimen, but turned it down to buy a speck. 100% of the time, in my experience, the buyers of sub-gram micros are constrained by economics. I'm sure all of them (myself included) would love to collect only large 1kg specimens, or at least something big enough to see and handle without using tweezers and a loupe. But, many of us have to choose between buying food or gasoline, and buying meteorites, so rather than forgo having a given specimen in our cabinets, we'd like to have *something* represented in our collections, so we purchase low-cost, sub-gram micros. snip... __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I don't know to start looking........
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse.html From: pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:43:15 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] I don't know to start looking Hello list, I don't even know how to beguin this. Sometime between 1967 and 1972 while at an Air Force radar site, there was a complete Solar eclipse that happened at the Kotzebue AFB on the coast of Alaska. I vividly remember the teminator raceing across the tundera toward me. Dogs were barking, chickens squaking and all the animals started to bed down. Then there was the econd terminator, with all the animals going nuts all over again. It was the most thrilling site I've ever seen. Any one that could help me pin down the date and time? Thanls, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Royal Ontario Museum
Hi, All, I've just been informed that the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto classifies meteorites. Does anyone on the List use their services? What meteorites have they classified? I enjoy reading the details in the MetBuls, and I don't recall seeing that institution acknowledged in any classification. Best, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite thief finally arrested at UNM
In his mug shot it looks like he's got a nice, red Behave yourself mark on the centre of his forehead! From: m...@meteoriteguy.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:36:36 -0700 To: a...@unm.edu CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite thief finally arrested at UNM wow, what a scary-looking guy! he belongs in prison, seems he cant get through a day without stealing! Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Feb 23, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Carl Agee a...@unm.edu wrote: A TV-news reporter showed up at the IOM today telling us UNM police had finally tracked down and arrested the guy who stole our Sikhote Alin. He was caught in the act of a another campus burglary yesterday! This story gets another strange twist. Here is the link to the segment broadcast at 5 PM. http://www.kob.com/article/11687/?vid=3302166v=1 -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD Stretch Tektite
Re: http://www.tektites.co.uk/index.html A very informative site, Daniel! Thank you! I particularly thought that the tektite lamp was a beautiful and ingenious use for scrap tektites. (I think there would be a market for more!) I found more details on its creation here: http://www.meteorite-times.com/jims-fragments/tektite-lamp/ Cheers, Pete From: rainte...@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:32:47 -0600 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] AD Stretch Tektite Hello all, I am looking to either trade or sale this nice stretched tektite. These are very rare and hard to find. I am very reluctant to let this piece go but I want to expand my collection. If you have a special tektite or an offer I might be willing to let it go. This tektite is a flattened teardrop that has been stretched. In the stretched areas you can see burst bubbles that have elongated from stretching. It Has some old chips that happened before I acquired the specimen. Found: Khon Kaen Province, Thailand Weight: 50 grams Size: 8.5x 3.5 x 1cm You can see pictures of this stretched specimen at: http://www.meteoritecentral.com/img/list/daniel-s-tektite-side1.jpeg http://www.meteoritecentral.com/img/list/daniel-s-tektite-side2.jpeg To view more of my tektites go to www.tektites.co.uk under private collections and also www.meteorite-times.com. These are not for sale but feel free to ask me any questions. Contact me at rainte...@aol.com Thank You, Daniel Sutherland Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Two SK bolide videos found
Hi, Dirk and List, Here's a short acknowledgement item from NASA reguarding the recent influx of bolides: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2012/22feb_februaryfireballs/ http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2012/22feb_februaryfireballs/ Cheers, Pete Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 20:45:51 -0800 From: drtan...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Two SK bolide videos found Dear List, Just posted videos taken from two different video cameras in SK, Canada from bolide event 21FEB2012. http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/02/mbiq-meteor-bot-internet-query-bot_22.html Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] HELP PLEASE - PECULIAR METEORITE DISCOVERY....
I agree with Mike, Daryl! I'm trying to imagine a scenario of a house on a ravine, a guy finding a rusty lump, and the wife persistently tries to throw the lump out in the garbage(?!) instead of simply heaving it over the fence? Doesn't track. Sounds like a scripted story. Like we say at work - The name's Tucker, not sucker! Pete From: dar...@dof3.com Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 23:10:31 -0500 To: m...@meteoriteguy.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; i...@imcamail.de Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] HELP PLEASE - PECULIAR METEORITE DISCOVERY Hi, I'm not inclined to disagreeit doesn't add up. On Feb 13, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Scam. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: Folks, I need your help; there is a problem here---I'm just not certain as to its nature. A seemingly honest fellow from Sandy Hook, NJ came to my office late today in the hope I could verify what he was told could be a meteorite---and it is. This fellow said that just after he moved in a year ago, he found it on the embankment of his backyard just beyond which is a 75 foot escarpment. The wife said she tried to throw the rusty thing out a couple of times and both times he rescued it from the garbage. It is a medium octahedrite which weighs 4.236 kg. How do I know it's a medium octahedrite? I could make out a feint pattern underneath a veneer of rust on the cut face. Yes, roughly speaking, this fellow found a cut and prepared meteorite in his backyard. The fellow left the specimen in my possession and agreed to allow me to have a sample removed and forwarded for analysis. I advised him there could be a problem here that could be readily determined---and he didn't seem fazed. While I've been accused of being naive, I nonetheless genuinely believe he and his wife are honestbut I just don't get it. Any thoughts here? Northeastern New Jersey. End piece. Medium octahedrite. 4.2 kg. I'll get a pic posted tomorrow. All best and thanks / d, __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] It's about time!
Hopefully, the prosecution will have a decent scientist as a witness to prove to the judge that Curry's rocks aren't meteorites, and importantly that Curry knew it. Maybe one or two from this List have something to offer the court case, considering his history here. We all know he won't plead guilty, and like all con-men I'm sure he's very convincing in his scam to a noob. From: don.giovann...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:23:20 -1000 To: countde...@earthlink.net CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; jimsk...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's about time! Steve Curry's ebay handle uncometeorites is no longer a registered user. Mr. Curry and I had a long, not-very-pretty email exchange a few months back, as I suspect a lot of listees probably did. At the beginning I earnestly suggested that it would only be a matter of time and that for his own best interest.well, I'm preaching to the choir here, any of you who tried to deal rationally with him probably got the same threats and intimidation and insults in return. Anyway, on the one hand it may not be charitable to pile on - on the other hand, for those of you who might want to take this particular opportunity to send him one last love note, as I did, (or wish him good luck with his trial, if you're so inclined) :) can do so at link below (if you're signed in to ebay) ..as a non-registered user now, he may not get these messages, but then again, he may. http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ContactUserNextGenrecipient=uncometeorites DG On Feb 12, 2012, at 8:29 AM, Count Deiro wrote: Yes! This wingnut caused a lot of grief in the community. Hope whoever filed the criminal complaint also goes for a civil suit. Maybe that will finally get rid of him. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: jimsk...@aol.com Sent: Feb 12, 2012 7:36 AM To: jimsk...@aol.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's about time! Link correction: _http://www.kjct8.com/news/30437647/detail.html_ (http://www.kjct8.com/news/30437647/detail.html) In a message dated 2/12/2012 9:33:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, jimsk...@aol.com writes: They finally got Steve Curry. _http://www.kjct8.com/news/3043764/detail.html_ (http://www.kjct8.com/news/3043764/detail.html) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)
Excellent idea, Gary! It would be nice if we had a central storage site where this type of historic data could be saved and easily shared. I've got the Encyclopedia Britannica Ninth Edition, 1890, kicking around here somewhere. I'll follow your lead and try to scan anything relevant and post it. I think aerolite, bolide, and pallasite entries in old publications would be interesting, too. Cheers, Pete Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:54:07 -0500 From: g...@webbers.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Thought you all might be interested in the 1957 Encyclopedia Britannica entry for 'Meteorites'. Click the pictures on the webpage for full size readable photos of the EB pages and closeups of most of the plates. My battery ran out before I got them all. http://www.webbers.com/meteorites/encyclopedia-britannica-1957-meteorites.html Enjoy the time capsule, Gary __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Antique Encyclopedia Entries
(Subject line added) Excellent idea, Gary! It would be nice if we had a central storage site where this type of historic data could be saved and easily shared. I've got the Encyclopedia Britannica Ninth Edition, 1890, kicking around here somewhere. I'll follow your lead and try to scan anything relevant and post it. I think aerolite, bolide, and pallasite entries in old publications would be interesting, too. Cheers, Pete Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:54:07 -0500 From: g...@webbers.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Thought you all might be interested in the 1957 Encyclopedia Britannica entry for 'Meteorites'. Click the pictures on the webpage for full size readable photos of the EB pages and closeups of most of the plates. My battery ran out before I got them all. http://www.webbers.com/meteorites/encyclopedia-britannica-1957-meteorites.html Enjoy the time capsule, Gary __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Etching solution
If I can add my experience to benefit others; many years ago, I used the instructions from the back of Norton's Rocks From Space book to do the nickel test on what later turned out to be a meteorwrong. Full face shield, haz/mat gloves protecting up to my elbows, plastic body bib, a dual charcoal filter vapour respirator, and an 8 kg bucket of sodium bicarbonate standing by. And also wore a toque (Canadian, eh!) I also made sure I had nothing behind me to trip me in case I had to make a hasty retreat. Being a cautious noob, I did the whole procedure outside in an 8'x10' shed, open windows on three sides, a double door wide open, and a big fan set up at a window to exhaust the interior of the shed to the outside. Not seeing results of the cherry red colour right away and since it was late, I turned the fan off and left the samples sitting in the solutions overnight . Next morning with disappointment I saw the negative results and disposed of everything safely. The next day after that I saw that everything metal in that shed started showing signs of corrosion, which continued until every metal surface within that shed was covered in rust! I'm assuming that the corrosive fumes had filled the shed during the calm night regardless of the open windows and door, and had fun. Think what that could do to your lungs! Now I make sure that when doing anything with any type of acid, air is being mechanically vented and I don't leave anything unattended. One further note of experience, when looking at meteorites under a stereoscope microscope, especially slices - even unpolished ones, if you wet them with isopropyl alcohol it will reveal maybe ten-fold the details. I was using an old eye-glass cleaner atomizing sprayer filled with the alcohol and give the specimen a squirt when it started to dry while I was examining it. I started waking up with severe headaches and it eventually dawned on me that I was poisoning myself by not venting the fumes away from me. Now I do my ooo-ing and ah-ing under a big ceiling fan, and have had no problems since. Cheers, Pete From: mar...@westnet.com To: mexicod...@aim.com; meteoritesno...@hotmail.ca; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:32:10 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Etching solution Did a quick search on the internet. Read this tale from the Meteorite Association of Georgia regarding the hazards of mixing nitric acid and ethanol: http://www.meteoriteassociationofgeorgia.org/article-052007.htm. Mark Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts - Original Message - From: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com To: mexicod...@aim.com; meteoritesno...@hotmail.ca; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Etching solution I don't know all of the details of the etching process, but a word of caution - mixing concentrated nitric acid with ethanol can result in an explosion and a fire. I've witnessed the results of the reaction when someone inadvertently mixed the two in a lab years ago. Mark Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: mexicod...@aim.com; meteoritesno...@hotmail.ca; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Etching solution PS - if you don't have a hood or other exhaust, the methyl alcohol could also be dangerous becasue the liver breaks it down into toxins and you will inhale some of it. That's another reason why I use ethanol in the oven, and frankly much more important a reason than saving a few pennies ;-) You can consider the residence time of the toxins in your system to be as long as a week, so if your are doing etxching all day long,and are using methanol nital you definitely need a very well ventilated place, and methanol is sneaky worthy of a CSI episode of an innocent who done it since the syptoms and critical second hit can be stealth and barely naseaous for the first. I know you didn't ask about methyl alcohol, but its good to see the 4 common solcvent benefits/liabilities side by side, at least my take on it. Anyway, you can see why ethyl alcohol iis usually preferred. I just checkethe azeotrophes andisopropyl is only 2.3 C above ethanol mixtures so its ability to remove water would be very similar in the oven, the last thing to look up to decide theoretically approximating the penetrating ability as related to the surface tension of the alcohol (just a guess) what is the bestest alcohol would be to check the surface tension. I just did and all three alcohols are nearly 4 times that of water and within 5% o each other, so I would think that on penetrating ability they are probably all tied and would argue all factors considered
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Class Creation Zones
Hi, Pete, No - what I have in mind is a bit more detailed. It was more along the lines of material distribution in a protoplanetary disk or content evolution (dust/gas) of an accretion/protoplanetary disk, including an indication of temperatures. (It would make an excellent geek tee-shirt!;)) It had this chart's information, with much more content - http://www.physics.unlv.edu/~jeffery/astro/astro1/lec010/disk_001_temperature.png I have a habit of saving pics, links, and PDF files of anything related to astronomy that interests me, but like I say, years ago! Maybe I'll just have to dig out my old hard drives and search them. I appreciate your help, though! I'll let you know if I find it. Best, re-Pete From: petersche...@rcn.com To: rsvp...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Class Creation Zones Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:24:53 -0500 HI Pete, Is this what you are looking for? http://msg-meteorites.co.uk/my-collection/meteorite-artwork/origin-of-meteor ites Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pete Pete Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:28 PM To: meteoritelist meteoritelist Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Class Creation Zones Hi, All, I remember seeing years ago a diagram of the regions around our infant Sun where different classifications of meteorites are thought to be formed; carbonaceous in the outer regions, etc. I would be grateful if anyone could send me the jpeg, or a link to where it is currently hiding from my searches! Cheers, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4763 - Release Date: 01/24/12 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Class Creation Zones
Hi, All, I remember seeing years ago a diagram of the regions around our infant Sun where different classifications of meteorites are thought to be formed; carbonaceous in the outer regions, etc. I would be grateful if anyone could send me the jpeg, or a link to where it is currently hiding from my searches! Cheers, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NEW MARTIAN METEORITE - TISSINT
All these great pictures being shared with us! I'm looking forward for high resolution shots of a slice so we can see some of those crystals! (drool) Thanks, Pete Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:07:25 -0800 From: rockma...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] NEW MARTIAN METEORITE - TISSINT http://www.rocksfromspace.org/Tissint.html __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chondrules! MPOD
Good grief! Apologies to Andreas Koppelt - The proper calendar page link is: http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp?XX=1WYD=MM=1YY=2012 From: rsvp...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:33:05 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Chondrules! MPOD Dear List, A few days ago, one of my submissions to the Meteorite Picture of the Day calendar, 11 January, 2012, was questioned by someone as possibly not being meteoritic. http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp As a contributor I feel I owe it to Paul Swartz, other contributors, and fellow enthusiasts to ensure the calendar integrity hasn’t been compromised by a “wrong”, and until it is properly addressed I feel my contribution will have a black cloud over it. I offered to send Mr. Simms additional pictures, but there was no response. Just as well – I learned early in our common interest that beliefs have to be properly supported with more than just words, and it should be done in the open. Being an “unclassified”, the best evidence I can put forth at this time to confirm that these pictures were indeed of meteorites is additional pictures for your consideration.Please see them here: http://tiny.cc/rosax http://tiny.cc/rosax There are lots, but I am hoping it's enough to definitively confirm their authenticity – and I’m sure you’re all like me and could look at pictures of meteorites all day, anyway. I agree with Mr. Simms that this is an unusual meteorite. Another picture from these stones was posted on the MPOD calendar 26 December, 2011, which shows a beautiful olivine crystal in the matrix. Thanks to Mr. Simms that while taking these additional pictures I’m posting today, I found two more small olivine crystals in other stones, although they are quite a bit smaller in size. If there is still skepticism, please let me know. Pete __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT Mike Simms
Mike Simms, Please contact me off-list. Regards, Pete __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dr. Agee and the Meteorite
Hi, All, Here's a nice Youtube clip from a news channel about the stolen Sikhote-Alin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQVtD-5-12I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQVtD-5-12I I like the reporter's (Scott Daniels) comment starting at the 53 second mark: Missing! A 9,000 gram iron/nickel meteorite, so dense it feels like 50 pounds! Cheers, Pete __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Wine
Mexico Doug mentioned a meteorite corkscrew, Dec 31, 2011 on MPOD... http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodPic.asp?DD=12/31/2011WYD= If someone could convince this guy he should sprinkle a pinch of meteorite in every fermenting barrel, we could get rid of the tons of cutting dust we all have! CHEERS! Pete http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/norwich_man_creates_out_of_this_world_wine_in_chile_1_1172747 http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/norwich_man_creates_out_of_this_world_wine_in_chile_1_1172747 Norwich man creates out of this world wine in Chile Ian Hutcheon, who grew up in Hellesdon, has just launched a new Cabernet Sauvignon wine called Meteorito, which is believed to be the first wine aged with a meteorite formed during the birth of the solar system. It was created at Mr Hutcheon’s Tremonte Vineyard in Chile and at the nearby astronomy centre, Centro Astronomico Tagua Tagua, which the 40-year-old also runs. Mr Hutcheon said: “I have been involved in wines and astronomy for many, many years and I wanted to find some way of combining the two. “When you drink this wine you are drinking elements from the birth of the solar system.” Mr Hutcheon said the meteorite, which is about three inches wide, is from an American collector’s private collection, and that it was formed about 4.5 billion years ago and crashed into the Atacama Desert in northern Chile about 6,000 years ago. He explains on the wine’s label: “The meteorite used in the creation of this wine came from the Asteroid Belt between Mars and Jupiter, and the idea behind submerging it in wine was to give everybody the opportunity to touch something from space, and extra-terrestrial rock, the very history of the Solar System, and feel it via a grand wine.” He said he has so far created about 10,000 litres of the wine, and that since it was launched it has created a lot of attention and even been featured on Chile’s national news. The process of making the first lot of Meteorito began in April 2010 when the grapes were picked from Mr Hutcheon’s mountain vineyard which is planted on an old gold mine and is about 100km south-west of Chile’s capital Santiago. The fruit then went through a process of alcoholic fermentation for about 25 days, before undergoing malolactic fermentation for about 12 months to refine the taste of the wine – it was during this process that the wine was held in a wooden barrel with the ancient meteorite, before being blended with some more Cabernet Sauvignon wine. Mr Hutcheon said he believes the meteorite gives the finished wine a “livelier taste”. The wine is currently sold exclusively at the Centro Astronomico Tagua Tagua and Mr Hutcheon said he would like to export it to other countries including the UK. Mr Hutcheon, who grew up in Clovelly Drive, Hellesdon, spent many years travelling extensively around South America before settling in Chile. In 2007 he launched his own observatory which went on to become Centro Astronomico Tagua Tagua, and in 2013 it will host the International Astronomy Congress. In July 2009 he bought his mountain vineyard. He is married to Karen and has two children – Emilia, almost two, and eight-month-old Max. Mr Hutcheon often returns to Norfolk to visit his parents Brenda and David Hutcheon, who now live in Worstead, and his sister Louise and brothers Paul and Steven also live in the Norwich area. For more information on Mr Hutcheon’s vineyard and astronomy centre visit www.tremonte.cl and www.centroastronomico.com __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Telescope experts
Hi, Pete, All astronomy magazines have regular articles on good telescope purchases for the whole range of price. Personally, I don't recall ever seeing one recommended for under ~$200.00. They will also advise that for a noob, it is best to start with a good pair of binoculars. Personally, I have a less expensive decent telescope, which wasn't cheap, and which rarely gets used since I spent only $70.00 CND on Celestron 15 x 70 binoculars (on sale every summer in Canada - Canadian Tire, for my fellow Canucks), and I'm completely content with them. They have extra-wide field oculars with rubber cups (great, if you need glasses), come with a tripod adapter so you can use it with your camera 'pod, and it goes without saying the versatility. Telescopes are definitely something you should graduate into, not start from. Cheers, Pete Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 00:41:11 -0500 From: bpsun2...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Telescope experts Nah, I would pass on that. Too much central obstruction. Focal length is too short for good planetary views. I'd recommend a good, quality small refractor or tabletop refractor instead, 60mm or bigger. Avoid all the toy scopes. Look for coated(multi-coated is better) achromatic AIR SPACED glass lenses. You can always add a barlow lens later to further correct any color aberrations. __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Display Hardware and Suggestions Needed.
I've always favoured the caliper display over all others, Alex. The nicer ones give that orrery feeling to them, making it a natural for a meteorite display! I've got some 9 brass rings set aside. I thought I'd try to make a model atom with the rings representing the electron orbits, and a choice meteorite as the nucleus. Cheers, Pete Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 07:03:47 +0100 From: g...@gmx.net To: countde...@earthlink.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Display Hardware and Suggestions Needed. Hi Count, I´d like to suggest a caliper stand. Best regards, Alex Berlin/Germany Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 13:38:16 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Von: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Display Hardware and Suggestions Needed. Hello Listees, I have a requirement to diplay a Martian meteorite of 2.1 grams. It's an attractive individual with an oriented black crusted face and a greyish underbelly. I would like very much to mount this specimen so it is on top of a lucite pylon, or metal stand. It will be photographed in the mount. Of course we don't want to damage it. It will be the centerpiece in the middle of a conference table with three or four academics discussing the meteorite on camera. So, although small, it needs to call attention to itself, or look important. If someone sells display hardware that with, or without modification, might work, or has any reccommendations, please contact me off List. I only have a week, or so, to put something together. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wanted: Meteorites from Mercury
Hi, All, I know there's been only scattered remarks about the Messenger mission, but is the current consensus that angrites do not originate from Mercury? Best, Pete From: baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:20:11 -0800 Subject: [meteorite-list] Wanted: Meteorites from Mercury http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/Wanted-Meteorites-from-Mercury-136803313.html Wanted: Meteorites from Mercury By Kelly Beatty Sky Telescope January 6, 2012 During a recent science conference discussing Messenger's results from Mercury, investigator Shoshana Weider (Carnegie Institution of Washington) commented, Short of landing on the surface, picking up a rock, and bringing it home, the instruments on Messenger that characterize chemistry are the best we're going to get. Well, Shoshana, you might still get to hold such a rock someday. According to a 2008 analysis http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0801/0801.4038.pdf by Brett Gladman and Jaime Coffey (University of British Columbia), chunks of Mercury should be lying somewhere on Earth right now. The dynamicists conclude that 2% to 5% of the debris blasted by impacts off the surface of Mercury at or above escape velocity (2.6 miles per second) should reach Earth within 30 million years. Their numbers suggest that Mercurian meteorites should be roughly one third as common as those from Mars, for which the count now stands at 60. Gladman conservatively suggests that at least a half dozen stones should be lying around somewhere on terra firma. Meteorite collectors would value a Mercurian meteorite above all others, likely fetching $5,000 or more per gram, so they've been on the lookout for one. A few years ago, prior to Messenger's arrival, meteoriticists had speculated that the best existing match to Mercury were a rare handful of ancient, basalt-rich stones known as angrites http://research.jsc.nasa.gov/PDF/Ares-1.pdf. But even before Messenger's arrival, ground-based astronomers had concluded that Mercurian surface rocks contained very little iron - strange indeed, given that the innermost planet has an iron core that takes up 80% of its diameter and more than half of its volume! At that time, comments geochemist David Blewett (Applied Physics Laboratory), people were expecting Mercury to have a composition more like a lower-iron version of the lunar highlands. We now know that it's much different than that. After nearly a yearly scrutinizing the planet from orbit, Messenger has confirmed that iron is in short supply at the surface. Instead, the compositional clues suggest that a Mercurian meteorite would be an igneous rock - or perhaps a fused breccia of different rock types - rich in magnesium and volatile elements (especially sulfur and potassium). This closely matches the composition of another rare meteorite group, the aubrites. Also known as enstatite achondrites, aubrites are igneous rocks dominated by the iron-free mineral enstatite (Mg_2 Si_2 O_6 ). But aubrites aren't from the innermost planet. For one thing, they're too reflective - anything coming from Mercury would be much darker, tinted by some yet-to-be-identified compound that's seen widely http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA14492 in Messenger's images. It might also smell faintly of sulfur, appear heavily shocked, exhibit significant exposure to cosmic rays, and might even be slightly magnetic. Such characteristics would certainly have come to the attention of hunters and collectors, and it's safe to say that none of the world's 40,000 well-documented meteorites are from Mercury. Yet dynamical probabilities argue otherwise, so why haven't such samples been found? Gladman and Coffey didn't address how chunks of rock might get blasted off the Mercurian surface, only that the high collision velocities of asteroids and comets should make it easy to do so. Maybe the launch mechanics aren't understood well enough, suggests Jay Melosh, an impact specialist at Purdue University. Perhaps at the very high speeds required for direct transfer, the fragments are simply too small, he says. These ejecta have to be launched from the surface very close to the impact point - and perhaps our current models do not give very good results here. However, Messenger finds that big impacts on Mercury are accompanied by clusters of secondary pits, created by tossed-out debris, that are generally much larger - not smaller - than those around comparable lunar craters. This fact is one of the current big puzzles about the Mercurian cratering record, Melosh concedes. And so the search goes on for what will almost certainly be the most celebrated meteorite discovery since the finding of stones blasted from surfaces of the Moon and Mars a few decades ago. __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at
[meteorite-list] The Moon/ISS
Great photos of the ISS crossing the face of the Moon! It's a shame only a few of us still get a thrill about space, eh? Is it just me, or does the first pic look like the Nostromo coming into orbit around LV-426? ;) Cheers, Pete http://www.universetoday.com/92426/dazzling-photos-of-the-international-space-station-crossing-the-moon/ http://www.universetoday.com/92426/dazzling-photos-of-the-international-space-station-crossing-the-moon/ Dazzling Photos of the International Space Station Crossing the Moon! Has the International Space Station (ISS) secretly joined NASA’s newly arrived GRAIL lunar twins orbiting the Moon? No – but you might think so gazing at these dazzling new images of the Moon and the ISS snapped by a NASA photographer yesterday (Jan. 4) operating from the Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas. Check out this remarkable series of NASA photos above and below showing the ISS and her crew of six humans crossing the face of Earth’s Moon above the skies over Houston, Texas. And see my shot below of the Moon near Jupiter – in conjunction- taken just after the two GRAIL spacecraft achieved lunar orbit on New Year’s weekend. In the photo above, the ISS is visible at the upper left during the early evening of Jan. 4, and almost looks like it’s in orbit around the Moon. In fact the ISS is still circling about 248 miles (391 kilometers) above Earth with the multinational Expedition 30 crew of astronauts and cosmonauts hailing from the US, Russia and Holland. __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ADVERT / MARS - NO RESERVE - Sleeper Alert
Has anyone given a speculative total weight to this fall yet? Best, Pete Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 17:32:50 -0800 From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ADVERT / MARS - NO RESERVE - Sleeper Alert It will be noteworthy to see how this great Martian fall pans out. This time, I am relaxing on the sidelines and watching from afar. There are plenty of dealers willing to part with some right now for those who like to be among the first to own some. I may decide to get involved if the price stabilizes before the Tucson show where I fully expect to see a huge amount of it. The marketing posturing seems subdued or at least delegated to the background for now. Perhaps it will explode onto the market by the time the Tucson show rolls around. Personally, I am hoping that a price war breaks out so that I can add a giant piece of Tata (b) or whatever they may name it to my collection for a reasonable price. Happy Collecting, Adam - Original Message - From: Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com To: Cc: Meteorite-list List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ADVERT / MARS - NO RESERVE - Sleeper Alert As you have pieces at http://www.rocksfromspace.org/MARS.html of around 1g for $500 or $600 then it will be interesting to watch thismany on ebay will not know about those and thus it may make the $1000/g or more.but the pieces on the website will certainly be a bargain then and shouldn't be around for longwill be very interesting to see what the price will settle at for this amazing fall Good luck Darryl. Cheers, Graham On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote: Oh good, I was hoping you didn't remove the auction? I am curious as to just how high it will go. I think it's a good way to see what price the market will set. Not that one eBay auction alone can set a true price - it can give us some idea. Well see, On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: HI, I did not remove the auction, Abe. I made a rookie mistake (in my first eBay auction, ever) and I failed to include the keyword meteorite in the title. The offering is listed on ebay as NEW WITNESSED FALL MARS SHERGOTTITE 0.652g All the best / Darryl On Dec 30, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Guenther wrote: Hi Darryl, I have sold valuable items on eBay but never meteorites so I don't blame you for removing the auction. Too bad though. I was looking forward to bid. I am always nervous too when I do a no reserve auction. You have to have a pretty strong stomach to stick it out to the end but the rewards are high traffic and usually the correct fair market value. Unless of course what you are selling is available in abundance. In which case yours wasn't so you would probably have gotten around the $1k per gram as suggested IMO. Abe Guenther -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Pitt Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 5:16 PM To: Greg Hupé Cc: Meteorite-list List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ADVERT / MARS - NO RESERVE - Sleeper Alert Hi, I think I speak for a lot of us that the recession is far from over. Help me to understand, as you're the expert, I'm at a loss to understand what's strange about having introduced something to collectors on eBay? On Dec 30, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Greg Hupé wrote: It's already at around $190 per gram... I kind of don't think he can retire on $123.88! I thought the recession was over, strange actions from this particular eBay seller... I hope he is OK! -Original Message- From: Ruben Garcia Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 4:37 PM To: Galactic Stone Ironworks Cc: Meteorite-list List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ADVERT / MARS - NO RESERVE - Sleeper Alert It's already at around $190 per gram with two days to go... On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: My New Year's prediction is that this specimen will exceed $1k per gram by auction close. eBay and the market are fickle mistresses. ;) Best regards, MikeG -- * Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone *** On 12/30/11, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: Hi, I thought I might mention I put a small specimen of the new
Re: [meteorite-list] ADVERT - NEW WITNESSED SHERGOTTITE FALL
b for Bodacious Tata? Cheers, Pete Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 23:35:46 -0500 From: bpsun2...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ADVERT - NEW WITNESSED SHERGOTTITE FALL How about Tata (a) Tata (b)? :) Tata (a) a.k.a. NWA 1430 - the IIIAB iron find Tata (b) - the new 2011 martian shergottite fall Just as with Benares (a) - the 1798 LL4 India fall Benares (b) - the Indian iron find yes? __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fake Meteorite Sale
Thieves on ebay - take note! http://www.tuoitrenews.vn/cmlink/tuoitrenews/society/man-seized-for-selling-fake-meteorite-for-95-000-1.56065 http://www.tuoitrenews.vn/cmlink/tuoitrenews/society/man-seized-for-selling-fake-meteorite-for-95-000-1.56065 Man seized for selling fake meteorite for $95,000 Police in District 12, Ho Chi Minh City have detained a man who cheated a woman by selling her a false meteorite for VND2 billion (US$95,000) three months ago. Vo Quang Truc, 45, of District 6, was arrested last Friday in Kien Giang Province, after his victim, Nguyen Ngoc Lan, 39, of District 12, reported the scam to police. Lan told the police that one day in September, Truc and a few associates unexpectedly came to her rented house in Hiep Thanh 2 Ward and said they had bought a meteorite for VND4 billion and were seeking someone to whom they could sell the valuable rock. They also had Lan look for a buyer for them, and promised to reward her for her help after they sold the rock. A friend of Truc later contacted Lan and told her that he wanted to sell a meteorite for VND2 billion. After conceiving a plan buy it and then resell it for a huge profit, Lan phoned Truc and asked him to go along with her to have a look at the meteorite. After the seller – one of Truc’s mates – showed Lan a piece of strange rock that he took out form a safe, Truc pretended to examine it carefully and then confirmed that it was a genuine meteorite. Lan then paid the dealer VND2 billion and took the stone home. She later had the stone verified by experts in precious stones and was told what she had bought was just a piece of normal stone. The district police launched an investigation following Lan’s report, and they recently received a tip that Truc was temporarily living in Kien Giang Province. On December 23rd, the police coordinated with their counterparts in the province’s Chau Thanh District and seized Truc. Truc pleaded guilty of cheating Lan, and said he was given VND400 million ($19,000) from the amount Lan had paid to his gang, and he had spent all of it. The police are hunting for Truc’s accomplices __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MPOD access errors
Hi, Paul and List, And I thought it was just me! ha! I'm using IE9, and it started about five or six days ago, for me. I can get to the calendar and the POD when I go through the MetList archives, and click on the link when you post it, Paul. http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html It's not the full page, but it'll do, for now. I use this link to get a full screen daily POD, but if you try to use the calendar function, the 500 error comes up. The comet to view past pics works, though, so if you've got the patience... I hope this helps someone. http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodPic.asp http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodPic.asp Merry Christmas! Pete From: valpar...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 12:38:55 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] MPOD access errors Hello Listees. I've gotten a few emails about a 500 error when trying to access the MPOD link. I'm not sure what's happening because, as we programmers like to say, it works for me. There is a lot of page caching on the Internet, whereby servers will save a copy of a page and serve it up when a request for it comes in, rather than letting the request pass through all the way to the MPOD server. This speeds up access but assumes the latest page is in the cache. If you encounter this problem, click the refresh button on your browser. If it still fails, please let me know what the error message was and ** what browser ** and ** what version ** of the browser you are using. The MPOD web site uses a small amount of JavaScript - nothing fancy, just something to make the programming and maintenance easier. If you do not have JavaScript enabled in your browser it may cause problems. Follow this link http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp?XX=1 and scroll down. The level of JavaScript you are running will be displayed just below the calendar on the left side. Also, I've had one report of the 500-error with the Chrome web browser. FireFox worked OK on the same machine. If you experience this, I'd appreciate whatever details you can send. Thanks and Merry Christmas. Paul Swartz IMCA 5204 __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] LOSS OF METEORITE BY UPS
Appropriate to this recent thread, in case you haven't seen it yet - how FedEx delivers these days: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/21/fedex-delivery-man_n_1162743.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/21/fedex-delivery-man_n_1162743.html ...and the employee didn't lose his job over this! Conclusion: They're all the same! If USPS ever ceases to exist, we're all doomed! Merry Christmas, Pete From: nf11...@npgcable.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:42:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] LOSS OF METEORITE BY UPS Hello Count and the List! Stuff like this happens from time to time. I am in the middle of a research project where meteorite samples are going every which way. One of them, sent off for a thin section, was not delivered for unknown reasons and then it went into a USPS loop, bouncing between Los Angeles, San Bernardino, Phoenix and it seems like it may never end. I was worried I may never see that one again. The USPS system is an excellent system until something out of the ordinary happens, then their network simply falls apart. This one finally resolved itself and I finally got it backbut I sure was sweating bullets over it. USPS simply refuses to take ownership of these issues when they occur. After several trips to the local office, after filing a formal compliant, only then was it resolved. Stuff happens. Detailed Results: Delivered, December 10, 2011, 10:59 am, LOS ANGELES, CA 90034 Sorting Complete, December 10, 2011, 8:19 am, LOS ANGELES, CA 90034 Processed through USPS Sort Facility, December 10, 2011, 4:23 am, LOS ANGELES, CA 90052 Depart USPS Sort Facility, December 09, 2011, PHOENIX, AZ 85043 Processed through USPS Sort Facility, December 08, 2011, 8:22 pm, PHOENIX, AZ 85043 Processed through USPS Sort Facility, December 04, 2011, 6:54 pm, LOS ANGELES, CA 90052 Processed through USPS Sort Facility, December 02, 2011, 9:04 pm, SAN BERNARDINO, CA 92403 Addressee Unknown, November 25, 2011, 5:39 pm, LOS ANGELES, CA Out for Delivery, November 25, 2011, 8:52 am, LOS ANGELES, CA 90034 Sorting Complete, November 25, 2011, 8:42 am, LOS ANGELES, CA 90034 Arrival at Post Office, November 25, 2011, 4:18 am, LOS ANGELES, CA 90034 Arrive USPS Sort Facility, November 24, 2011, 1:55 am, LOS ANGELES, CA 90052 Depart USPS Sort Facility, November 22, 2011, SAN BERNARDINO, CA 92403 Processed through USPS Sort Facility, November 22, 2011, 8:21 pm, SAN BERNARDINO, CA 92403 Acceptance, November 22, 2011, 9:02 am, PARKER, AZ 85344 I really hope your issue is resolved. But, you are not alone! Happy Holidays! Jim Jim Wooddell https://k7wfr.us __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] LOSS OF METEORITE BY UPS
Hi, All, An added note of advice, I always wondered why Adam Hupe' shipped tiny, sometimes almost weightless, pieces of meteorite in a relatively huge 3 1/2 x 3 1/2 x 6 box, until I heard similar stories like this in the past and it dawned on me. An box this size is not easily concealed in clothing by a postal/courier employee, and would discourage all but the most determined thief. Was this intentional, Adam, and has it proven beneficial, in your experience? I haven't sold any meteorites yet, but when I do I'll be shipping in similar containers. Merry Christmas, Pete Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:43:17 -0500 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: countde...@earthlink.net CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] LOSS OF METEORITE BY UPS Hi Count, That really stinks - to put it poetically. ;) It also reinforces my belief that UPS blows. I had numerous problems with them in the past and their customer service is horrible. I'd rather burn a package than give it to them. I haven't used UPS in about 5 years now and I will never use them again. If for some reason I cannot ship via USPS (such as a customer requests an alternate method), then I use Fed Ex. Count - I wouldn't expect much sympathy or any sort of action to rectify the situation on the behalf of UPS. You'll get a lot of nice talk and smooth words, but no action. Well, I hope your meteorite eventually shows up. I've been waiting over 8 weeks now for a valuable package from Canada and it is gone - I'm not sure who stole it, Canada Post or USPS. But, this is one of only a small handful of problems I have had with USPS over the years of shipping thousands of packages. By contrast, I have only used UPS about 10 times, and almost every time there was some sort of problem. Best regards, MikeG -- * Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone *** On 12/19/11, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Seasons Greetings Listees, Whish I had lee distressing news to share. It seems that UPS has lost my shipment of a CAT MOUNTAIN __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Comet Lovejoy in SOHO's LASCO C3 Camera
Amazing video! In both the zip and AVI videos, there is a small speck preceding the comet into the sun. Is this a lens glitch? Cheers, Pete From: nf11...@npgcable.com To: desertsunb...@yahoogroups.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:03:51 -0700 CC: meteor...@meteorobs.org Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Comet Lovejoy in SOHO's LASCO C3 Camera Hi all! Rob Matson has been busy updating the files of the Comet LoveJoy and his latest ones are here. These are updated since my first post and much larger in size! Rob says, it covers almost two days of data, and it only missing one gap of about 3 hours. The AVI is a tad bit over 25mb so be warned! Get them while they are there! This is very impressive Y'all outta give Rob some atta-boys for this!! Enjoy! Zipped (~9mb): https://k7wfr.us/RobertMatson/Comet_Lovejoy_SOHO_C3.zip AVI (~25mb): https://k7wfr.us/RobertMatson/Comet_Lovejoy_SOHO_C3.avi Jim Jim Wooddell https://k7wfr.us __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Murchison Keeps on Giving
http://news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/23097.aspx http://news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/23097.aspx $1.38 million to pick 'large' pieces of supernova grit out of meteorite Tour de force experiment to reveal how elements that make up our bodies and our planet were forged December 12, 2011 By Diana Lutz Joe Angeles/WUSTL Ernst Zinner, and Ann Nguyen, then a doctoral student in earth and planetary sciences, study a grain of stardust in the NanoSIMS (Secondary Ion Mass Spectrometer) lab at Washington University in St. Louis. Ernst K. Zinner, PhD, research professor of physics and earth and planetary sciences in Arts Sciences has received a three-year, $1,380,000 grant from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) to study presolar grains in a sample of the Murchison meteorite, a primitive meteorite that fell to Earth near the town of Murchison, Australia, in 1969. Presolar grains are literally tiny bits of stars — stardust — that were born and died billions of years ago, before the formation of the solar system. From a generous chunk of the meteorite, Zinner hopes to extract exceptionally large grains that came from supernovae, giant stars that exploded at the ends of their lives. The larger grains will allow him to make more comprehensive measurements and, in turn, achieve a clearer understanding of what happened in these long-extinct stars -- where most of the elements that make up our bodies and our Earth were forged. Until the 1960s, most scientists believed that the early solar system got so hot that presolar material could not have survived intact. However, in the mid-1960s, researchers started finding unusual isotopic ratios of the noble gases neon and xenon in certain types of meteorites. The fact that these volatile gases were still there suggested that they were trapped in very refractory (heat-resistant) mineral grains. In 1987, Ed Anders and his co-workers at the University of Chicago and Zinner and his colleagues at WUSTL succeeded in identifying diamond and silicon carbide as the noble gas carriers. This was achieved by dissolving meteorites in acid, a method described by Anders as burning down the haystack to find the needle.” Wikimedia Commons A piece of the Murchison meteorite on display at the National Museum of Natural History in Washington, D.C. Ernst Zinner will be studying roughly 100 grains of supernova dust he will extract from half a kilogram of the meteorite by dissolving the rest in acids. Presolar grains are very small, typically only a few millionths of a meter across, so sophisticated instruments are needed to study them. Zinner will be using an ion microprobe, a type of Secondary Ion Mass Spectrometer, or SIMS, instrument that achieves high spatial resolution by using a finely focused ion beam. Zinner himself developed many of the techniques that allow the microprobe to perform such precise analytical work. SIMS works by sandblasting a sample and passing the electrically charged debris that comes flying off through electric and magnetic fields that sort it by mass. The masses, in turn, identify individual elements and their isotopes. The isotopic compositions of the grains allow the scientists to understand the evolution of the stars from which the grains originated, especially the nuclear processes that created the elements of which the grains consist. “What I want to do in this project,” Zinner says, “is to locate as many supernova grains as possible that are large enough that we can do measurements of many different elements. “Presolar grains have survived in the Murchison meteorite,” Zinner says, “because it is primitive, or unprocessed. It is a piece of an asteroid that was small enough that the rock never melted or separated according to density. “We’ll extract the silicon carbide grains by using a series of acids to dissolve away the rest of the meteorite. It’s a simple process,” he says, “but it took 20 years to figure out it was possible. “We’ll start with half a kilogram of Murchison, which is a lot,” he says. “Usually people don’t want to give you more than a few grams of a meteorite. But fortunately quite a lot of material fell at Murchison, about 200 kilograms, so we could obtain a large amount of it.” Scott Messenger A silicon carbide grain is only a few microns across, smaller than a yeast cell or red blood cell, but it has traveled across space and time bearing the secrets of its parent star within it. The silicon carbide grains are only a small fraction of the meteorite, and Zinner wants to select only the biggest of them, those that are five microns in diameter or bigger. Once he has his big grains, he’ll separate those originating from supernova from those originating in red giants. This will be done by isotopic analysis, he explains. One of the silicon isotopes is mostly made in supernovae, he says, and by looking at the silicon isotopic composition, the ion probe can
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Launches Most Capable and Robust Rover to Explore Mars (MSL)
MOST excellent! Way-to-go, NASA! See you in August, Curiosity! From: baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:23:11 -0800 Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Launches Most Capable and Robust Rover to Explore Mars (MSL) Nov. 26, 2011 Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov Guy Webster Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-354-6278 guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov RELEASE: 11-397 NASA LAUNCHES MOST CAPABLE AND ROBUST ROVER TO EXPLORE MARS CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. -- NASA began a historic voyage to Mars with the Nov. 26 launch of the Mars Science Laboratory (MSL), which carries a car-sized rover named Curiosity. Liftoff from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station aboard an Atlas V rocket occurred at 10:02 a.m. EST. We are very excited about sending the world's most advanced scientific laboratory to Mars, NASA Administrator Charles Bolden said. MSL will tell us critical things we need to know about Mars, and while it advances science, we'll be working on the capabilities for a human mission to the Red Planet and to other destinations where we've never been. The mission will pioneer precision landing technology and a sky-crane touchdown to place Curiosity near the foot of a mountain inside Gale Crater on Aug. 6, 2012. During a nearly two-year prime mission after landing, the rover will investigate whether the region has ever offered conditions favorable for microbial life, including the chemical ingredients for life. The launch vehicle has given us a great injection into our trajectory, and we're on our way to Mars, said MSL Project Manager Peter Theisinger of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, Calif. The spacecraft is in communication, thermally stable and power positive. The Atlas V initially lofted the spacecraft into Earth orbit and then, with a second burst from the vehicle's upper stage, pushed it out of Earth orbit into a 352-million-mile (567-million-kilometer) journey to Mars. Our first trajectory correction maneuver will be in about two weeks, Theisinger said. We'll do instrument checkouts in the next several weeks and continue with thorough preparations for the landing on Mars and operations on the surface. Curiosity's ambitious science goals are among the mission's many differences from earlier Mars rovers. It will use a drill and scoop at the end of its robotic arm to gather soil and powdered samples of rock interiors, then sieve and parcel out these samples into analytical laboratory instruments inside the rover. Curiosity carries 10 science instruments with a total mass 15 times as large as the science-instrument payloads on the Mars rovers Spirit and Opportunity. Some of the tools are the first of their kind on Mars, such as a laser-firing instrument for checking rocks' elemental composition from a distance, and an X-ray diffraction instrument for definitive identification of minerals in powdered samples. To haul and wield its science payload, Curiosity is twice as long and five times as heavy as Spirit or Opportunity. Because of its one-ton mass, Curiosity is too heavy to employ airbags to cushion its landing as previous Mars rovers could. Part of the MSL spacecraft is a rocket-powered descent stage that will lower the rover on tethers as the rocket engines control the speed of descent. The mission's landing site offers Curiosity access for driving to layers of the mountain inside Gale Crater. Observations from orbit have identified clay and sulfate minerals in the lower layers, indicating a wet history. Precision landing maneuvers as the spacecraft flies through the Martian atmosphere before opening its parachute make Gale a safe target for the first time. This innovation shrinks the target area to less than one-fourth the size of earlier Mars landing targets. Without it, rough terrain at the edges of Curiosity's target would make the site unacceptably hazardous. The innovations for landing a heavier spacecraft with greater precision are steps in technology development for human Mars missions. In addition, Curiosity carries an instrument for monitoring the natural radiation environment on Mars, important information for designing human Mars missions that protect astronauts' health. The mission is managed by JPL for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. The rover was designed, developed and assembled at JPL. NASA's Launch Services Program at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida managed the launch. NASA's Space Network provided space communication services for the launch vehicle. NASA's Deep Space Network will provide spacecraft acquisition and mission communication. For more information about the mission, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/msl For more information about the Deep Space Network,
[meteorite-list] Dr. Randy Korotev
Continuing to educate us... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQO335Y3zXo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQO335Y3zXo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Diamonds and meteorites - NWA 6871 and its Gump Diamond
By coincidence, here's something for the ladies: http://racked.com/archives/2011/10/06/harrods-is-offering-to-blowdry-your-hair-for-500-will-do-so-with-diamond-dust-and-meteorites.php http://racked.com/archives/2011/10/06/harrods-is-offering-to-blowdry-your-hair-for-500-will-do-so-with-diamond-dust-and-meteorites.php Cheers, Pete Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:56:03 -0700 From: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; meteoritem...@gmail.com; sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Diamonds and meteorites - NWA 6871 and its Gump Diamond Here are some much higher quality images that were taken at App State today of the diamond found in NWA 6871. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSC00606.jpg http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSC00608.jpg http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSC00610.jpg I think I may have sent the last email as rich text, here is a repeat of the previous one... I have found a rather large diamond inside the newly classified NWA 6871 ureilite meteorite (provsional) While it may be small for a diamond, I have not seen any holdable diamonds from meteorites or read about them, as this one is. Its only about the size of the ball in a ball point pen and weighs roughly .025g but is a stunning sight and was found in a slice of a very shocked and unusual ureilite. I though some of you may like to see it. I am calling it the Gump Diamond as it is the shinning example that meteorites are like a box of chocolates, you never know what your gonna get Close up of diamond http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF5281.jpg Diamond with scale cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF5332-1.jpg More to come on this awesome find soon. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com; Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 10:27 AM Subject: Diamonds and meteorites - NWA 6871 and its Gump Diamond Hi to all, hope everyone is doing well. I have some very neat news to share with you all... I have found a rather large diamond inside the newly classified NWA 6871 ureilite meteorite (provsional) While it may be small for a diamond, I have not seen and holdable meteorites or read about them, as this one is. Its only about the size of the ball in a ball point pen and weighs roughly .025g but is a stunning sight and was found in a slice of a very shocked and unusual ureilite. I though some of you may like to see it. I am calling it the Gump Diamond as it is the shinning example that meteorites are like a box of chocolates, you never know what your gonna get Close up of diamond http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF5281.jpg Diamond with scale cube http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF5332-1.jpg More to come on this awesome find soon. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com; Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 2:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Gold and Iridium content of meteorites(especiallyirons) I have not seen visible gold in meteorites but I have seen them with copper in them that is visible and more recently, something more exciting. More to come on this soon. Hope everyone is doing good! Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Gold and Iridium content of meteorites(especiallyirons) Hi Gang, I was just curious about exactly how much gold is bound up inside a meteorite with a higher than average content, like the one in this example. Personally, I share the same sentiment as most of you - it would be heresy to destroy a meteorite to extract something that is available here on
Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found.
Not being from the US, I'm a little confused by the article referring to Clinton: Roberts figures that when Clinton lost his bid for re-election in 1980,... and:A long-lost, highly valuable Moon rock brought back from the Apollo 17 mission has turned up in the files of Bill Clinton. It should read Carter, right? From: dori...@embarqmail.com To: bcmeteori...@gmail.com; countde...@earthlink.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 11:45:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found. According to the lamestream media, all meteorites are worth millions of dollars. Larger ones are worth billions! Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: Bob Falls bcmeteori...@gmail.com To: 'Count Deiro' countde...@earthlink.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found. Interesting!! I wonder how large the lunar sample is that is worth millions of dollars according to the article?? Best Regards, Bob Falls -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Count Deiro Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:33 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found. Hi Listees, Interesting. I don't think anyone knew it was missing. http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/weird/Long-Lost-Moon-Rock-Turns-Up-In-Clinton-Papers-13033986 3.html Best, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found.
Disregard! I've been informed that this was during Clinton's governor era. I read the article again, and it's articulated in the second paragraph. I should have read it slower. Thanks, Gar! Pete From: rsvp...@hotmail.com To: dori...@embarqmail.com; bcmeteori...@gmail.com; countde...@earthlink.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 11:52:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found. Not being from the US, I'm a little confused by the article referring to Clinton: Roberts figures that when Clinton lost his bid for re-election in 1980,... and:A long-lost, highly valuable Moon rock brought back from the Apollo 17 mission has turned up in the files of Bill Clinton. It should read Carter, right? From: dori...@embarqmail.com To: bcmeteori...@gmail.com; countde...@earthlink.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 11:45:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found. According to the lamestream media, all meteorites are worth millions of dollars. Larger ones are worth billions! Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: Bob Falls bcmeteori...@gmail.com To: 'Count Deiro' countde...@earthlink.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found. Interesting!! I wonder how large the lunar sample is that is worth millions of dollars according to the article?? Best Regards, Bob Falls -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Count Deiro Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:33 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Long Lost Moon Rock Found. Hi Listees, Interesting. I don't think anyone knew it was missing. http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/weird/Long-Lost-Moon-Rock-Turns-Up-In-Clinton-Papers-13033986 3.html Best, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wanted: NWA 6392
Hello, All, If anyone has a small slice of NWA 6392 for sale - less than 10 gms, please contact me off-List. Cheers, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT Juno Looks Back Home
Hi, All, While there's a lull, here's one of the most awing astrophotos I've ever seen: Jupiter-Bound Space Probe Captures Earth And Moon PASADENA, Calif. – On its way to the biggest planet in the solar system -- Jupiter, NASA's Juno spacecraft took time to capture its home planet and its natural satellite -- the moon. http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-271cid=release_2011-271msource=11271tr=yauid=9405191 http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-271cid=release_2011-271msource=11271tr=yauid=9405191 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene
Here's a better site, without the hype: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ From: majbaerm...@web.de To: elemen...@peconic.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 20:59:17 +0200 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene Hi Michael, I've friends in NYC too, even close to Hudson River - last news were that they got evacuated. I'm with them in my thoughts and wish not only them but all citizens of and around Big Apple all the best. Have a try here: http://edition.cnn.com/ Best, Matthias - Original Message - From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:49 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene Hello everyone I have dear friends in NY and Long Island. Do someone know a truly reliable website to follow Irene ? Thank you very much ! Michael B. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 6415 (20110827) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 6415 (20110827) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky
With this crap currently selling for a minimum $1.00 US per gram, no doubt the culprit(s) are wondering which engine block to melt next. In this case, crime seems to pay. Cheers, Pete From: linton...@earthlink.net To: mexicod...@aim.com Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:46:21 -0700 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky Greetings listoids. Doug, I believe you've introduced an important distinction, upon which I've been intending on opining. Like you said, a meteorwrong by most definitions is *natural* material than can be confused with an authentic meteorite out in the field. Shirokovsky, on the other hand, was a deliberate fake. A man-made concoction for the sole purpose of fraud. (Based on what I've read here.) I can understand the interest in a legitimate meteorwrong - I bought a piece of Mendota myself - but, in my opinion, Shirokovsky does not deserve to be in that category. I would be no more likely to purchase a sample, than to intentionally purchase counterfeit currency. It has about the same worth. But while I have to agree with Adam's point of view on this, I can somewhat understand the opposing views. Respect them, anyway. Interestingly though, most all of those in favor of collecting it, already have it in their collections. A case of sour grapes, in reverse? ;^) Just my two cents. Actual value may vary. Linton - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: raremeteori...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky Adam wrote: I see Shirokovsky as being off topic I agree and would keep my mouth shut iof I thought it were an innocent scam that was over and reparations made. Since I agree with Adam as such this will be my only post, since what is on topic, interestingly, is clarifying that it is not a eteorwrong*.. - a meteorwrong by most definitions is natural material than can be confused with an authentic meteorite out in the field. This is not that case, this is the case of the apple colored moldavites faked on eBay. This is a *PSEUDOMETEORITE* and that term is doing it a favor, and we should IMO all be very clear about that for the mutual benefit of all of our collections and future material that could enter them. Shirokovsky may elicit the Pavlovian Dogs salivation in collectors that haven't been soiled by it. You know - save that salivation for the real stuff, Shirokovsky isn't even in the category of a blow-up meteorite doll. There is nothing technologically interesting about Shirokovsky, the matrix is nothing better than you can find in a cheap faux bead shop, and why people think it would have an etch pattern is beyond me. The only reason to have it is because when you drive by an accident on the highway and see an accident with blood and guts, you have to stop and cause everyone else a traffic jam as you gawk. And then you have to tell everyone else, yes, look I have a piece of that corpse on the road, look at me! I wouldn't feel this way at all if the story were all closed and those who have lost hundreds of thousands of dollars (yes, the amount is correct) were ok and the crooks in jail. But the collective memory seems to mean nothing even if we can learn from our past. Everything would be cool in the collectible category if there were a fixed amount of Shirokovsky out there. It is not all accounted for and it gives someone else the idea of manufacturing other meteorites; why, instead of getting locked up for stealing from several collectors and causing all kinds of business heartache beyond the active imagination of many listmembers, the message is clear. Make a Shitpkovsky fake, if you get caught, be nowhere to be found and burn the people who trusted you, cause a great deal of pollutuion that everyone else has to clean up (the equivalent of the Exxon Valdez, and we all cleaned it up), and then appear 10 years later selling more of it like war memorabilia from the dark side and getting people to actually argue it is a good thing to have in collections. Huuumpt. I still remember being at a function 3 years ago where the big meteorite dealer insisted to an ignorant crowd that his many Shirokovsky pseudometeorites. He sold them for $25/g and many just three years ago painted me as someone who didn't know since he was the expert (ha). Here's what the serious problem is: the material was all controlled before by the dealer terrorists and collector rapists. If you bought a piece of this suckerite from one of the original good faith dealers, you did a fine thing to help bail them out and had the cute thing to discuss it in a charitable show and tell. But - Now assigning a collection value to new material all you are doing is having money
Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky
Adam wrote: If you want a piece of a recycled old Ford motor block in your collection, that is your business. Not to be too anal, but wouldn't something like Karkhov Russian tractor block be more accurate? ;) Cheers, Pete Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:38:17 -0700 From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky I guess collecting artifacts has made me leery about fakes. Get caught with one fake artifact and it will put your entire collection in question. It is best to get artifacts papered and destroy any that have been killed by an independent authenticator. I see Shirokovsky as being off topic since it is not a meteorite and is was only produced in order to defraud honest collectors out of their hard earned money. If you want a piece of a recycled old Ford motor block in your collection, that is your business. To me, it is garbage and so are the people who produced it! Adam - Original Message - From: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 1:50 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky Hello All, Shirokovsky is terrestrial, it is a pseudo-meteorite, it is man-made! - does not contain typical accessory phases of stony-iron meteorites - accessory phases completely atypical - Olivine has a terrestrial oxygen isotopic composition - Pt/Ir ratio similar to that of terrestrial Cu-Ni ore deposits - has never been in space (noble gases no cosmic component!) - absence of cosmic-ray tracks corroborates noble gas study results (= bestätigen) - Olivine TL spectra similar to terrestrial peridotites Conclusion: Shirokovsky is manufactured, man-made! As for its nickel contents, see also the entry in the (online) Met.Bull. ... and, yes, I have a thin 2.7 gr slice of Shirokovsky with translucent olivines. I got that pseudo-pallasite in 2003 from Eric Olson. It doesn't pollute my collection but it sure looks a bit pale-faced when sitting next to a genuine pallasite like Esquel, Brenham, Admire, etc. Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Man To Trade Found Meteorite For Harley D
Maybe there are more... Should things develop favourably, we may be witnessing the start of another American pallasite rush. From: mqfow...@mac.com Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:33:48 -0500 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: mqfow...@mac.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Man To Trade Found Meteorite For Harley D My thoughts exactly. Looks like a weathered pallasite. At least to my eye a closer inspection seems warranted. Grind off a little window, and the answer should be much clearer! Mike Fowler Chicago Dunno for sure, but certainly reminds me of an Imilac or similar pallasite of comparable size. There appears to be weathered olivine in a metallic matrix. gary On Aug 17, 2011, at 4:46 AM, Robert Woolard wrote: Thanks for the post, Pete. Just out of curiosity, what IS the general consensus on this object from those of you who have watched the video? I would be very interested in reading your opinions. Thanks in advance for any and all responses. Sincerely, Robert Woolard __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Man To Trade Found Meteorite For Harley D
Hi, All, An amusing news item: http://www.todaysthv.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=169055 http://www.todaysthv.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=169055 Don't hold your breath, Jimmy me boy! Video of object included in story. The web has already twisted this story where the trade has already been done. Oh, well - we all know the saying; any publicity is good publicity. Cheers, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite found in Xinjiang
Is it just the angle, or does one of those graffiti words look English? 46 second mark, similar to BOLATEEK in caps. Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 21:09:46 +0200 From: karm...@email.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite found in Xinjiang And this one is for the purists among you ;-) http://newscontent.cctv.com/news.jsp?fileId=113849 It even has a shotlist Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: karmaka karm...@email.de Gesendet: 20.07.2011 16:29:58 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite found in Xinjiang A new blog entry: http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=desl=zh-CNtl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fye61611666.blog.163.com%2Fblog%2Fstatic%2F103269955201162093955569%2F site: 2900 meters above sea level on a mountain top, in ' ancient glacial landscape' This could hint at the mountain ranges east and west of Urumqi But is this still in the prefecture of Altay? Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: karmaka karm...@email.de Gesendet: 20.07.2011 13:04:34 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite found in Xinjiang A TV news report is available now: http://v.ku6.com/show/NUekK2QFPy8piN-j.html Can anyone translate what is said? Best wishes Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: karmaka karm...@email.de Gesendet: 19.07.2011 16:27:54 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite found in Xinjiang Here you can read more information (in google-translation) http://translate.google.de/translate?js=nprev=_thl=deie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1sl=zh-CNtl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Ftech.qq.com%2Fa%2F20110719%2F000299.htm original site: http://tech.qq.com/a/20110719/000299.htm Best regards Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Gesendet: 19.07.2011 16:14:32 An: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite found in Xinjiang It looks like the Fukang main mass has just been found! 25 tons of Pallasite! It will probably be chopped into little pieces, exported as iron ore to get around Chinese law and put on the market soon judging from how they have managed their resources in the past. Now, they will have real meteorite specimens to offer instead of magnetite. It will be interesting to see how they deal with it and its final disposition. In my opinion, it belongs in a museum but their new-found love for capitalism will probably dictate otherwise. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Teaching Aid for Meteorites
Hi, All, I came across this helpful NASA pdf for a game suitable for kids and media outlets wanting to learn about meteorites: http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/549425main_ESS8_SpaceRocks_C8.pdf http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/549425main_ESS8_SpaceRocks_C8.pdf I know there are several Listees that give presentations. Apologies if it's already been posted. Cheers __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT James Webb Space Telescope
Bummer! Does anyone have Bill Gates' phone number? http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/07/07/canadian-developed-space-telescope-nixed-by-u-s-congress/ http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/07/07/canadian-developed-space-telescope-nixed-by-u-s-congress/ Canadian developed space telescope nixed by U.S. Congress By Amy Chung and Max Harrold OTTAWA — Space researchers were reeling Thursday over a decision in the U.S. Congress to axe funding for the James Webb Space Telescope — a Canadian and European joint effort with NASA that would peer deeper into space. Canada has earmarked $147 million for the project. The U.S. House of Representatives Appropriations Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice and Science approved a yearly spending bill earlier in the day that includes no money for the JWST — the successor to the Earth-orbiting Hubble Telescope that was launched in 1990. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rare Earth Magnets
Hi, All, A recent update to last year's thread about rare earth magnets becoming rarer... http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2010-October/070115.html http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2010-October/070115.html News item: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14009910 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14009910 4 July 2011 Japan finds rare earths in Pacific seabed Japanese researchers say they have discovered vast deposits of rare earth minerals, used in many hi-tech appliances, in the seabed. The geologists estimate that there are about a 100bn tons of the rare elements in the mud of the Pacific Ocean floor. At present, China produces 97% of the world's rare earth metals. Analysts say the Pacific discovery could challenge China's dominance, if recovering the minerals from the seabed proves commercially viable. ... __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] test
test __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (no subject)
Hi, All, Is there any particular stone meteorite that has a high content of troilite and a low content of free metal? Cheers, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Stones with High Troilite, Low Metal
Sorry about that - once more with a subject: Hi, All, Is there any particular stone meteorite that has a high content of troilite and a low content of free metal? Cheers, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stones with High Troilite, Low Metal
Thank you all for your responses. You're right, Doug, too ambiguous a question. I have an unclassified NWA, which I've sliced and polished. There are so many interesting features that it is the type that you never get tired of looking at under the microscope. It has what appears to be the remains of transformed chondrules; four total in about 2cm^2 surface. Three look like bit-remains of brecciated chondrules, grey and white. The other looks like a typical barred chondrule that has become completely crystallised, and has the schiller effect. A very fine grained matrix, no observable free metal as in nickel/iron, and what *appears* to be typical troilite scattered throughout. Low attraction to a neodymium magnet. The fusion crust is relatively fresh, with no chert. Quite different from the others I've got, so I was hoping to read and possibly view images of similar. As I said, there are no silver metal flecks, only the dull yellow troilite-looking areas. Is it possible for nickel/iron to have this appearance, too? I had mentally eliminated that due to the low magnet attraction, but I've got lots to learn. Cheers, Pete To: meteoritem...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:13:26 -0400 From: mexicod...@aim.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stones with High Troilite, Low Metal Mike G wrote As far as which mets have an abundance of troilite but little free metal, I cannot think of any right off-hand. Why not Albareto, which is rather low metal 'transitional'. And of course the type specimen for troilite. That would satisfy a specific rock that may or may not randomly have gotten more or less than its allotment of troilite without a handy database to sort. Pete - it would be satisfactory for many readers (or maybe just me, I guess I can't speak for the main mass) that you mention a little more about what you are after, than a generic question that is so wide open to interpretation. Might actually stimulate more discussion and be educational. For example do you mean to exclude pentlandite, and why; what's up with the question? Do you just want a meteorites oxidized in excess sulfur and/or low oxygen ... bla bla bla Kindest regards Doug -Original Message- From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com To: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2011 3:50 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stones with High Troilite, Low Metal Hi List, On rare occasion I have seen troilite nodules for sale, but not as often as graphite nodules. Recently, Ruben Garcia offered up a spectacular-looking graphite nodule. As far as which mets have an abundance of troilite but little free metal, I cannot think of any right off-hand. If it's relatively-pure troilite you are after, you might check with one of the big sellers of Campo (like Bob C.). I'm sure anyone who has tons of Campo laying around might have a troilite nodule or two. Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/26/11, MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote: Lunar and Martian basalts are about 1% troilite and not very magnetic if you would like that to be a free metal consideration/measure. If not, you could always scrape off some meteoritic shale or go for highly oxidized high troilite containing iron meteorites ... like Campo or Canyon etc. -Original Message- From: Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2011 2:55 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Stones with High Troilite, Low Metal Sorry about that - once more with a subject: Hi, All, Is there any particular stone meteorite that has a high content of troilite and a low content of free metal? Cheers, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust
Isn't this thread becoming a little ridiculous? From: mikest...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 14:36:39 -0700 To: j...@hc.fdn.com CC: scho...@mybluelight.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust Welcome to America, where it's ok to lie (about meteorites, or wars even), but text a picture of your anatomy consensually to one person and it's a national scandal and they're calling for your resignation. -Michael in so. Cal. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 1:44 PM, John Lutzon j...@hc.fdn.com wrote: Journalistic integrityis an Oxymoron John - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Steve Schoner scho...@mybluelight.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust Sad. And it confirms that the media deserves it's spot in the Meteorite Hall of Shame. The rarest thing on Earth - meteorites? No, it's journalistic integrity. Last time I checked, journalistic integrity is selling for $20,000,000/gram. News is no longer meant to inform, it's packaged to sell advertising. Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/25/11, Steve Schoner scho...@mybluelight.com wrote: Now this story is on CNN (Communist News Network)for all to see. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2011/06/25/mo.stolen.moon.dust.ksdk?hpt=hp_c2 Amazing lies. Terry Slezak should sue for defamation of character, being accused of theft of a so called National Treasure, 42 years later. When all the while this 1 piece of tape he OPENLY sold 10 years ago in a major auction of space artifacts, was then cut into maybe 250 tiny wedges by its buyer Florian Noller, and OPENLY sold world wide since that time even till now, sans the so called Black Market This aged Missouri Prosecutor needs to find the real Black Market traders, like the drug lords that currently fill St. Louis, or seek another job. Steve Schoner IMCA #4470 -- Original Message -- From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Steve Schoner scho...@mybluelight.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 09:37:17 -0400 Hi Steve, Phil, List, This is an incredible waste of taxpayer funds. I wonder how many tens of thousands of dollars these investigations cost? Is it really worth a ton of public money to recover a few milligrams of lunar dust? Afterall, NASA has kilos of this stuff under lock and key. It's not like science is suffering because someone is offering a piece of dusty tape on auction. This is yet another example of government idiocy, backwards priorities, and frivolous spending of taxpayer money. The agents involved should be ashamed of themselves and they should spend their time looking for real criminals. I'd love to have some of Florian's tape, and if I will buy some if I can ever afford it. And I invite the feds to come and try to take it. Notice I said try, because it will take a Seal Team to retrieve it from my possession. ;) Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/25/11, Steve Schoner scho...@mybluelight.com wrote: Phil, Yes it was and still is legal... At least until this agent decided to act. Florian Noller at Spaceflori.com has been selling this openly for TEN YEARS. And not on the Black Market Mr Noller purchased that strip of tape and other space related items in widely publicised space memorabilia auction in Germany in 2001. NASA was aware of it then, did an investigation of it and it was of no consequence then,and the auction proceeded without this tape being confiscated or the auction of it halted. Spaceflori.com sold tiny triangles of it, hundreds of them over the last 10 years, and these were even advertised openly at Collectspace.com. See:
[meteorite-list] Canada Post Strike OVER!
For anyone with transactions hung up by the strike, it's just been ended by Parliament. http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/06/25/canada-post-back-to-work-bill-the-hill-sleepover-continues/ http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/06/25/canada-post-back-to-work-bill-the-hill-sleepover-continues/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites
http://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/21/decos-technology-group-headquarters-by-inbo-architects/ http://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/21/decos-technology-group-headquarters-by-inbo-architects/ Dutch Building Looks Like It Landed on the Surface of Mars Sam Biddle—Architecture firms tend to use their offices as a giant business card they can work inside. Decos' is no exception—except it looks like an astronaut base, not a Dutch headquarters. Their inspiration? A meteorite impact. Snip __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites
VERY cool! It is right that meteorites inspire people! ;) I have a plan that if I ever win a lottery, I'll score all the biggest Campo's and S/A's on the market and have a room with them suspended from the ceiling and on pedestals of varying heights. ...Then dim the lights for the laser planetarium show... Cheers, Pete From: meteori...@online.nl To: rsvp...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:22:30 +0200 Cool isn't it? I was asked by the owner if I could get them a 100 kilo Campo. This one is placed in a position in the building where the sun will shine through a tube like construction on the meteorite exactly on the moment the astronomical summer begins. How cool is that? Best, Jan IMCA #9833 Holland - Original Message - From: Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites http://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/21/decos-technology-group-headquarters-by-inbo-architects/ http://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/21/decos-technology-group-headquarters-by-inbo-architects/ Dutch Building Looks Like It Landed on the Surface of Mars Sam Biddle—Architecture firms tend to use their offices as a giant business card they can work inside. Decos' is no exception—except it looks like an astronaut base, not a Dutch headquarters. Their inspiration? A meteorite impact. Snip __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photos Enisisheim 2011 Meteorite Show - France
Great pics, Mirko! Judging from the photos, it was the perfect time to be in France. How was the market? Did you notice a change in customer volume? In vendors? Prices? Bulk of NWA's? I've never sold a meteorite (bought lots, though!) but I think it would be valuable information to hear how the market is holding up these days, there and with the last Tuscon exhibits. Cheers, Pete Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:37:05 +0100 From: m_gr...@yahoo.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Photos Enisisheim 2011 Meteorite Show - France Dear list members, just back from the Ensisheim show. Here the links to the 7 photo pages on my website. I hope you enjoy the photos. http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f09109c603/index.php http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910dc524/index.php http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910dd630/index.php http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910e4f3d/index.php http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910e534a/index.php http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910e5957/index.php http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f091159471/index.php Best regards, Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mercury data
Hi, Sterling and All, Here's an interesting little article I came across in Nature: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v473/n7347/full/nature10092.html http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v473/n7347/full/nature10092.html Unbound or distant planetary mass population detected by gravitational microlensing I know they've suspected wandering stars in the past, but now planets! If there's these big ones, what's to say there aren't smaller ones? Best, Pete From: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: a...@unm.edu; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 17:59:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mercury data Thanks, Carl. That's was what I was hoping for. There are two Theories of Mercury --- the old one, that Mercury formed from inner disk materials, all iron and refractories, and the new one, that Mercury suffered a Giant Impact' which added its iron to the Mercurian core but blasted Mercury's crust off to be lost. Sometimes the Giant Impact Theory is interpreted as a much-larger Mercury that lost much of its crust to a series of Pretty Dam Big Impacts that contributed no iron but blasted Mercury's crust off to be lost just the same. The old All Iron And Refractories theory seems, at first glance, to be dead, but wait! there's still a heart beat. The Crust is not The Planet. If Mercury has been pasted through the ages by errant asteroids and comets from Out-System that have been tossed down into high eccentricity orbits, that crust of volatiles could be the accretion of 4 billion years of Jupiter's trash toss-out. There's a lot wrong with this idea. It's hard to deliver material to Mercury without splashing it right off into the grip of the Sun's powerful gravity, and it would take a lot of material to pave a planet miles deep. Perhaps the anomalous crust was delivered by the Late Bombardment? Sulfur, visible as yellow swirls, streaks and patches surrounding the pits that burped it, got up and screamed Volatiles! even before those scans were released. It's just like Io, but a lot hotter. It can't accumulate like it does on Io Still, if Mercury is still boiling out sulfur after billions and billions of years, it must have started with a LOT of volatiles. Recent images of Mercury can be found at: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/messenger/multimedia/mercury_images_coll_archive_1.html Maybe Mercury formed farther from the Sun and migrated inwards... It's a whole new solar system. Jumpin' Jupiter wandering back and forth . Now, we have Migrating Mercury. The problem is migrated from where? Where do huge-iron-cored terrestrial planets with scads of volatiles form? It's really hard to think of any spot that provides vast amounts of both. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 11:16 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Mercury data Of course it's still early days on understanding the Mercury data coming back from Messenger, but I think there are a few simple things that can be said about the two geochemical graphs that were part of the press release. The major element graph of Al/Si versus Mg/Si clearly shows that the measured Mercurian surface is similar to basaltic and mantle rocks from the Earth. They plot along the Earth array and look to be a bit more olivine-rich than mid-ocean ridge basalts, but not as olivinerich as mantle peridotites, perhaps more like Archean Earth komatiites. The measured Mercurian surface is NOT delpleted in aluminum, like Martian basalts or Angrites. Also, Messenger is clearly not measuring rocks like the lunar anorthositic highlands. The major element that is still missing from this puzzle is iron. The data do not say anything about the FeO content of the Mercurian surface -- this is a pretty big deal, and until that is known it will difficult to know exactly what we are looking at -- let alone if there is a match for any known meteorite type. The potassium/thorium plot shows that Mercury is a lot like the other terrestrial planets in terms of volatile element content. It seems to be closest to the K/Th of Mars which is quite surprising, since Mars is thought to be the most volatile rich of the rocky planets. This runs counter to the idea that the inner solar system is chemically zoned with volatile elements concentrated out at Mars and lower in towards the Sun. But who knows? Maybe Mercury formed farther from the Sun and migrated inwards. There was a brief mention of substantial amounts of sulfur, but no data in the multimedia press release, so it would be interesting to know what they mean by substantial amounts. Also, why do they think it is in the form of sulfide and not sulfate?
Re: [meteorite-list] Mercury question
I love it when scientific consensus gets turned on its head with facts! (My first astronomy book, Golden Library of Knowledge, The Moon, 1959, has three theories for the creation of lunar craters; volcanic, meteorite, and the bubble theory - popping bubbles while in a molten state) I'm assuming that angrites are slowly being discounted from Mercury origin? Cheers, Pete From: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:20:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mercury question Carl, List, Only one Mercury question? What is revealed from the first bulk composition scans is that Mercury surface, and presumably its crust, is composed of high-potassium non-feldspar rocks. In a word, Mercury is nothing like it's supposed to be. Mercury appears to have been made (the rock part) from high-volatile stuff, a notion that stands everything everybody has ever thought about Mercury on its head. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrBCExa2Rgwfeature=player_embedded Being non--field-geologically literate, I would like somebody on the List to post a list of Earthly high-potassium non-feldspar rocks rich in sulfur. I suppose that would be a bunch of high-potassium metallic sulfides, because one of the things we're seeing is a lot of sulfur on the surface of Mercury. Those yellow markings and stains in the photos? I don't think anybody ever thought Mercury would be a place rich in volatiles -- completely illogical. Welcome to the Real World... When I started out every book said the craters on the Moon were volcanoes. We spent a noticeable amount of the time we were actually ON the Moon looking for the evidence for lunar volcanoes. There aren't any volcanoes on the Moon. In one of the early Messenger flyby's there was a featured imaged called Spider crater. I posted here that I was pretty sure it was a caldera volcano. Now it appears that a lot of the craters on Mercury MAY be volcanoes. It would ironic (at the least) if we were to go from Moon volcanoes that are really impacts all the way to Mercury impacts that are really volcanoes! http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/17/science/space/17mercury.html Even better would be if Mercurian volcanoes were caused by impacts, because every geophysicist on Earth rejects the notion that impacts could cause volcanoes (and flood basalts). As long as we are going to be wrong about most things, why not be wrong about everything? (I love that NYTimes headline Close Up, Mercury Is Less Boring. Well, Earth Monkeys, at least it's not as boring as the NYTimes... Oh, the other thing is that the magnetic field of Mercury is bigger (stronger) at one pole than the other pole, just in case there's not already enough weirdness. I have an easy explanation; Mercury's core is EGG-SHAPED. Huh? Or two imperfectly merged cores of differing sizes from a giant impact that did not completely differentiate after the event. And let's not even get close to the question of how a volatile-rich planet with a huge iron core could FORM this close to the Sun... Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 5:41 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Mercury question List, I have a question. With this new data from MESSENGER about the surface composition of Mercury; http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/news_room/details.php?id=174 What does this mean it terms of what a meteorite would be expected to look like? Would it be metallic -ish? Anyone, Thanks. Carl Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT Nice Supplemental News Group - ROCKETS!
Hi, All, The List is a little quiet these days, so I'll use the lull to suggest a good supplemental news group to this one, if you have any interest in rockets. Historical, current, and future prospects, *anything* relating to rockets and astronauts - worldwide. There is also a large archive with some great reads. Like this List, its loaded with friendly experts, professionals, and knowledgeable amateurs. No ads, free, no intimate information required, and only sporadic posts so it won't fill your inbox. http://www.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo/fpspace http://www.friends-partners.org/mailman/listinfo/fpspace For any noobs that might not be aware, a very relevant newsgroup, which I think is a must to sign up to, is another similar newsgroup enthusiastic for meteors: http://lists.meteorobs.org/mailman/listinfo/meteorobs http://lists.meteorobs.org/mailman/listinfo/meteorobs Cheers, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT Shuttle/ISS Docked
A great, rare shot of Endeavour recently docked with the ISS (the 'full size' download lets you zoom in quite nicely): http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1969.html http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1969.html Enjoy it while we can! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Spitzer Sees Crystal Rain in Infant Star Outer Clouds
The full article is at the link. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/spitzer/news/spitzer20110526.html http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/spitzer/news/spitzer20110526.html Spitzer Sees Crystal Rain in Infant Star Outer Clouds 05.26.11 PASADENA, Calif. -- Tiny crystals of a green mineral called olivine are falling down like rain on a burgeoning star, according to observations from NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope. This is the first time such crystals have been observed in the dusty clouds of gas that collapse around forming stars. Astronomers are still debating how the crystals got there, but the most likely culprits are jets of gas blasting away from the embryonic star. You need temperatures as hot as lava to make these crystals, said Tom Megeath of the University of Toledo in Ohio. He is the principal investigator of the research and the second author of a new study appearing in Astrophysical Journal Letters. We propose that the crystals were cooked up near the surface of the forming star, then carried up into the surrounding cloud where temperatures are much colder, and ultimately fell down again like glitter. .../ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA busts woman selling a moon rock
Apologies if this has been recently posted. I'm only posting the first little bit of the article. Here's the source, which would be easier to read there: http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-052511a.html http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-052511a.html May 25, 2011 — A woman's attempt to sell a purported $1.7 million moon rock was thwarted last week when the buyer she met with turned out to be an undercover agent working for NASA. The sting, which according to the Riverside County (Calif.) Sheriff's Dept. came after several months of investigation, took place at a Denny's restaurant in Lake Elsinore, Calif., about 70 miles southeast of Los Angeles. The woman, who authorities did not identify, was detained but not arrested pending the moon rock being verified as being of lunar origin. It's possible this is a moon rock, but it has to be tested first, Gail Robinson, deputy inspector general at NASA, told the Los Angeles Times. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Video of Lunar and Martian Meteorites
Hi, all, I'm not that knowledgeable about YouTube, but if a common heading is agreed upon, couldn't all the videos be found in one place there for free? Best, Pete Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 18:40:41 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: n...@chladnis-heirs.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Video of Lunar and Martian Meteorites Hi Martin and List, I am downloading the video now. :) Just a quick idea - would it be possible to add a video section to the Encyclopedia of Meteorites for members to upload videos such as these? Or, would that chew up too much bandwidth? Best regards, MikeG --- Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 On 5/3/11, Chladnis Heirs n...@chladnis-heirs.com wrote: Hello there, as it seems, that videos presenting meteorites from all sides are appreciated by you, let us show a little one we made a while ago from some of our planetaries. We animated a little intro to set the stones in a context. Well, here it is, the production from the Chladni Studios. ;-) http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/Filme/pl-meteorites.mp4 (has 77MB) Hope, you'll like it. Martin Stefan Chladni's Heirs Munich - Berlin Fine Meteorites for Science Collectors http://www.chladnis-heirs.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Orrery Screensaver
Hi, all, It appears that the first digital orrery I posted a couple of months ago is available for downloading as a screensaver now. Some expressed an interest in a screensaver like this, back then. Unless I'm blind, I didn't see any download options then. Here's the link: http://www.dynamicdiagrams.com/work/orrery/ http://www.dynamicdiagrams.com/work/orrery/ When the screensaver is activated, it stays fully functional with the mouse until the keyboard is used. Cheers, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Another Digital Orrery
Hi, all, Here is another excellent digital orrery I recently came across: www.solarsystemscope.com/ www.solarsystemscope.com/ For the benefit of those that missed the first one I posted, look here: http://dd.dynamicdiagrams.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/orrery_2006.swf http://dd.dynamicdiagrams.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/orrery_2006.swf I'm grateful these are being shared with us! A great screen to stare at while deep in thought ;) Cheers, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: Re-posting Another Digital Orrery
Sorry about that. Here's the proper link for the first one so cut and past is unnecessary: http://www.solarsystemscope.com/ http://www.solarsystemscope.com/ Hi, all, Here is another excellent digital orrery I recently came across: www.solarsystemscope.com/ www.solarsystemscope.com/ For the benefit of those that missed the first one I posted, look here: http://dd.dynamicdiagrams.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/orrery_2006.swf http://dd.dynamicdiagrams.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/orrery_2006.swf I'm grateful these are being shared with us! A great screen to stare at while deep in thought ;) Cheers, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Black-Market Trinkets From Space April 5, 2011
Would it be worth the effort to submit a freelance science article, instead? If not to the NYT, there are lots of other magazines that might be willing publishers. I think there's too much to be said in a rebuttal letter. Best, Pete From: rickm...@earthlink.net To: dar...@dof3.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:22:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Black-Market Trinkets From Space April 5, 2011 Darryl and List, Now I'm even more offended by the NYT. The audacity of the NYT to edit a letter-to-the-editor is the ultimate shame. What a crock of s**t. Darryl, however, what they did publish of your original letter was a great back-atcha and you shouldn't be embarrased. Congrats are in order for you. This of course, should make us all wonder what they'll do with Anne's letter. Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt To: Meteorite-list List Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 10:27 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Black-Market Trinkets From Space April 5,2011 The Letter to the Editor referred to was, of course, edited. It was also written prior to the receipt of emails from Drs. Agee and Harvey in which they disavowed the use of their quotes. The New York Times is my local paper and the publication of this article has been terribly embarrassing. This was the the letter I hoped they would publish Begin forwarded message: From: Darryl Pitt Date: April 5, 2011 11:39:18 AM EDT To: lett...@nytimes.com Cc: sciti...@nytimes.com Subject: Black-Market Trinkets From Space April 5, 2011 To The Editor: Your article “Black-Market Trinkets From Space” offers a highly misleading portrait of private meteorite hunters, characterizing them as “looters” whose endeavors have had a negative impact on scientific research. On the contrary, private collectors are not the bane of science, but are most often important contributors to new research. Consider that as a result of the harvesting done by Bedouins, Berbers and others, 32 distinct specimens of Mars and 43 distinct specimens of the Moon, as well as other exotic samples, have been discovered in the hot deserts since the mid-1990s---all of which have undergone study. Conversely, not one such specimen was recovered by scientists in these regions before this time, and since then scientists have recovered only four such specimens. In fact, it has been argued there is no other scientific discipline where researchers have been aided as much by the private sector than in the study of meteorites. Darryl Pitt New York City __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Black-Market Trinkets From Space April 5, 2011
That should be too much to be said FOR a rebuttal letter. ;) From: rsvp...@hotmail.com To: rickm...@earthlink.net; dar...@dof3.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:28:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Black-Market Trinkets From Space April 5, 2011 Would it be worth the effort to submit a freelance science article, instead? If not to the NYT, there are lots of other magazines that might be willing publishers. I think there's too much to be said in a rebuttal letter. Best, Pete From: rickm...@earthlink.net To: dar...@dof3.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:22:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Black-Market Trinkets From Space April 5, 2011 Darryl and List, Now I'm even more offended by the NYT. The audacity of the NYT to edit a letter-to-the-editor is the ultimate shame. What a crock of s**t. Darryl, however, what they did publish of your original letter was a great back-atcha and you shouldn't be embarrased. Congrats are in order for you. This of course, should make us all wonder what they'll do with Anne's letter. Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt To: Meteorite-list List Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 10:27 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Black-Market Trinkets From Space April 5,2011 The Letter to the Editor referred to was, of course, edited. It was also written prior to the receipt of emails from Drs. Agee and Harvey in which they disavowed the use of their quotes. The New York Times is my local paper and the publication of this article has been terribly embarrassing. This was the the letter I hoped they would publish Begin forwarded message: From: Darryl Pitt Date: April 5, 2011 11:39:18 AM EDT To: lett...@nytimes.com Cc: sciti...@nytimes.com Subject: Black-Market Trinkets From Space April 5, 2011 To The Editor: Your article “Black-Market Trinkets From Space” offers a highly misleading portrait of private meteorite hunters, characterizing them as “looters” whose endeavors have had a negative impact on scientific research. On the contrary, private collectors are not the bane of science, but are most often important contributors to new research. Consider that as a result of the harvesting done by Bedouins, Berbers and others, 32 distinct specimens of Mars and 43 distinct specimens of the Moon, as well as other exotic samples, have been discovered in the hot deserts since the mid-1990s---all of which have undergone study. Conversely, not one such specimen was recovered by scientists in these regions before this time, and since then scientists have recovered only four such specimens. In fact, it has been argued there is no other scientific discipline where researchers have been aided as much by the private sector than in the study of meteorites. Darryl Pitt New York City __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce...
Hi, all, The American female pronounces BRACHINITE with the CH like a K. The UK female is ch as in church. I haven't seen the phonetics anywhere on the net, or books I have. I would appreciate the proper pronunciation. Cheers, Pete From: mikebevmur...@gmail.com To: valpar...@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:11:27 -0600 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce... I posted this once before but since you are working on these pronunciations now...A friend of ours came from Willamette, OR. She says Willamette is pronounced Wil lam it, with emphasis on the second syllable. Mike On Apr 10, 2011, at 10:54 AM, wrote: I'm compiling a pronunciation guide that I'll post to the list. Any help is greatly appreciated and feel free to send more meteorite names. I found some help scanning the MetList archives for the last year: http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html Paul Swartz Agoult (Morocco) Begaa (Morocco) Brahin (Belarus) Djoumine (Tunisia) D'Orbigny (Argentina) Gao Guenie (Burkina Faso) Gujba (Nigeria) Huckitta (Australia) I've heard hoo-KEET-ah and HUCK-i-tuh Huaytiquina (Argentina) Isheyevo (Russia) Jackalsfontein (South Africa) Jalu (Libya) Juvinas (France) Kainsaz (Russia) Kapoeta (Sudan) L'aigle (France) LAY-gluh from a 3/13/10 post Majuba 005 (Nevada) Mbale (Uganda) Muonionalusta (Sweden) Orgueil (France) OR-gooey from a 3/13/10 post Oum Dreyga (Western Sahara) Pillistfer (Estonia) Pultusk (Poland) Quijingue (Brazil) Rupota (Tanzania) Sayh al Uhaymir (Oman) Sikhote-alin (East Russia) http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=sikhote-alin (holy cow!) Tatahouine (Tunisia) Tuxtuac (Mexico) Uruacu (Brazil) HK told me oor-ooh-ah-SOO __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 8, 2011
Hello, all, If I was the curator of that museum, I would clean all that paint off this meteorite, keeping only the original markers for the nostalgic value. Cheers, Pete Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 21:05:26 -0700 From: mich...@rocksfromspace.org To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 8, 2011 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/April_8_2011.html --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
