Re: [mkgmap-dev] Limit the number of highway shields in basecamp and gps

[Joris Bo]

Hello Gerd,

Thx a lot, problem solved
I recompiled with the rules from the default style and shields are displayed 
reasonable again.

Some months ago I copied this part from 'Generic New Style on 
garmin.openstreetmap.nl'


Gr Joris



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Hi Joris,

sorry, don't understand this. Do you use these rules in your style or do you 
propose to use them ?
They seem to duplicate the highway shields.
Please compare with the rules in the default style:
# Display highway shield for mayor roads if they have a ref and make them 
searchable by their name (highway=motorway | highway=trunk) & ref=* { name 
'${ref|highway-symbol:hbox}'; addlabel '${name}' } highway=primary & ref=* { 
name  '${ref|highway-symbol:box}'; addlabel '${name}' } (highway=secondary | 
highway=tertiary) & ref=* { name '${ref|highway-symbol:oval}'; addlabel 
'${name}' }

Gerd


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Bo 
Gesendet: Montag, 12. März 2018 09:54:19
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and gps

Hallo Gerd



Changing the detailed-level in basecamp does help but has also impacts on the 
rest. It's actually shifting the 'problem' to a different zoomlevel.

Basecamp or  my Oregon decides where to show such shields but no idea which 
mechanism is used to calculate such and if its possible to influence that 
behaviour when building the map..



Example

Screenshot shows city of Bilbao (N43° 17.489' W3° 00.430') in northern Spain at 
basecamp level 'Average'

Motorway, Trunks and primary all have different highway shield s

For example:  Having 2 to 4 shields of N-634 would be enough.



highway = motorway {name '${ref | highway-symbol:hbox} ${name}' | '${ref | 
highway-symbol:hbox}' | '${name}'}

highway = motorway {name '${ref | highway-symbol:hbox} ${name}' | '${ref | 
highway-symbol:hbox}' | '${name}'}

highway = trunk {name '${ref|highway-symbol:hbox} ${name}' | 
'${ref|highway-symbol:hbox}' | '${name}'; addlabel '${name} (${ref})'}

highway = trunk {name '${ref|highway-symbol:hbox} ${name}' | 
'${ref|highway-symbol:hbox}' | '${name}'; addlabel '${name} (${ref})'}

highway = primary {name '${ref|highway-symbol:box} ${name}' | 
'${ref|highway-symbol:box}' | '${name}'; addlabel '${name} (${ref})'}

highway = primary {name '${ref|highway-symbol:box} ${name}' | 
'${ref|highway-symbol:box}' | '${name}'; addlabel '${name} (${ref})'}

highway = secondary | highway = tertiary {name '${ref|highway-symbol:oval} 
${name}' | '${ref|highway-symbol:oval}' | '${name}'; addlabel '${name} 
(${ref})'}

highway = secondary | highway = tertiary {name '${ref|highway-symbol:oval} 
${name}' | '${ref|highway-symbol:oval}' | '${name}'; addlabel '${name} 
(${ref})'}





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Hi Joris,



the ony switch that I know is the "map detail (level)" (ranges from lowest to 
highest). No idea if that helps.

If not, please provide the location of such an area.



Gerd





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Hello



Is there a way to limit the number (or extend the distance) of highway shields 
in basecamp?

On some zoomlevels the usage of ${ref | highway-symbol:hbox}' generates so many 
boxes, making the map difficult to read.





Thx

Joris



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Re: [mkgmap-dev] Limit the number of highway shields in basecamp and gps

[Andrzej Popowski]

Hi Joris,

> Is there a way to limit the number (or extend the distance) of highway
> shields in basecamp?

Try to change setting in BaseCamp, menu Edit -> Options -> Display - Labels.

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Re: [mkgmap-dev] Limit the number of highway shields in basecamp and gps

[Joris Bo]

Hello Gerd,

Sorry for the confusion
I was sloppy pasting the lines form my search window instead of the style file 
its self
That's why there are 4 times 2 of the same lines

They also where different from the default, (can't remember me changing it)
So first í'll reverse them back to the default and test again also with @Arndt  
suggestion
of the basecamp slider under options.

Then see what happens on the Oregon gps


Thx again
Gr Joris Bovens






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Onderwerp: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Limit the number of highway shields in basecamp and 
gps

Hi Joris,

sorry, don't understand this. Do you use these rules in your style or do you 
propose to use them ?
They seem to duplicate the highway shields.
Please compare with the rules in the default style:
# Display highway shield for mayor roads if they have a ref and make them 
searchable by their name (highway=motorway | highway=trunk) & ref=* { name 
'${ref|highway-symbol:hbox}'; addlabel '${name}' } highway=primary & ref=* { 
name  '${ref|highway-symbol:box}'; addlabel '${name}' } (highway=secondary | 
highway=tertiary) & ref=* { name '${ref|highway-symbol:oval}'; addlabel 
'${name}' }

Gerd


Von: mkgmap-dev  im Auftrag von Joris 
Bo 
Gesendet: Montag, 12. März 2018 09:54:19
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Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] Limit the number of highway shields in basecamp   
and gps

Hallo Gerd



Changing the detailed-level in basecamp does help but has also impacts on the 
rest. It's actually shifting the 'problem' to a different zoomlevel.

Basecamp or  my Oregon decides where to show such shields but no idea which 
mechanism is used to calculate such and if its possible to influence that 
behaviour when building the map..



Example

Screenshot shows city of Bilbao (N43° 17.489' W3° 00.430') in northern Spain at 
basecamp level 'Average'

Motorway, Trunks and primary all have different highway shield s

For example:  Having 2 to 4 shields of N-634 would be enough.



highway = motorway {name '${ref | highway-symbol:hbox} ${name}' | '${ref | 
highway-symbol:hbox}' | '${name}'}

highway = motorway {name '${ref | highway-symbol:hbox} ${name}' | '${ref | 
highway-symbol:hbox}' | '${name}'}

highway = trunk {name '${ref|highway-symbol:hbox} ${name}' | 
'${ref|highway-symbol:hbox}' | '${name}'; addlabel '${name} (${ref})'}

highway = trunk {name '${ref|highway-symbol:hbox} ${name}' | 
'${ref|highway-symbol:hbox}' | '${name}'; addlabel '${name} (${ref})'}

highway = primary {name '${ref|highway-symbol:box} ${name}' | 
'${ref|highway-symbol:box}' | '${name}'; addlabel '${name} (${ref})'}

highway = primary {name '${ref|highway-symbol:box} ${name}' | 
'${ref|highway-symbol:box}' | '${name}'; addlabel '${name} (${ref})'}

highway = secondary | highway = tertiary {name '${ref|highway-symbol:oval} 
${name}' | '${ref|highway-symbol:oval}' | '${name}'; addlabel '${name} 
(${ref})'}

highway = secondary | highway = tertiary {name '${ref|highway-symbol:oval} 
${name}' | '${ref|highway-symbol:oval}' | '${name}'; addlabel '${name} 
(${ref})'}





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gps



Hi Joris,



the ony switch that I know is the "map detail (level)" (ranges from lowest to 
highest). No idea if that helps.

If not, please provide the location of such an area.



Gerd





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Hello



Is there a way to limit the number (or extend the distance) of highway shields 
in basecamp?

On some zoomlevels the usage of ${ref | highway-symbol:hbox}' generates so many 
boxes, making the map difficult to read.





Thx

Joris



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Re: [mkgmap-dev] Limit the number of highway shields in basecamp and gps

[Gerd Petermann]

Hi all,

I think the Garmin renderer only uses the information from the RGN file. This
contains the geometry of the points, lines and shapes, the type and pointer(s) 
to
the labels. No idea how the renderer decides where to render a highway shield.
I also cannot reproduce the problem with the default style.
I assume the style used by Joris adds multiple ways for one OSM way, maybe with
different labels ?

Gerd


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osm@pinns 
Gesendet: Montag, 12. März 2018 13:12:32
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gps

Hi Henning

I think you are right - I have in the past been guilty of forcing labels
on certain long distance walking routes by cutting the highway !

I wonder , Gerd, if it is possible to only add a shield if highway's
length > a  length defined by the user?

Nick


On 12/03/2018 11:52, Henning Scholland wrote:
> Hi Gerd,
> Maybe it helps for brainstorming to understand how the Garmin-container
> is working.
>
> So far I understand we take osm-way, shifting each osm-node to closest
> Garmin-node, this then is written somehow to the map. But how all these
> information are stored. Is the way-geometry stored once and the linked
> to routing-data and drawing-data, or are they independent?
>
> Basically I'm thinking, if rendering-ways can be merged while
> routing-way is splitted more detailed. I think this might improve the
> rendering of labels. So far I know Garmin-Software later just place the
> labels per way. So if we have a lot of small ways, there will be too
> many labels.
>
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Re: [mkgmap-dev] Limit the number of highway shields in basecamp and gps

[osm@pinns]

Hi Henning

I think you are right - I have in the past been guilty of forcing labels 
on certain long distance walking routes by cutting the highway !


I wonder , Gerd, if it is possible to only add a shield if highway's 
length > a  length defined by the user?


Nick


On 12/03/2018 11:52, Henning Scholland wrote:

Hi Gerd,
Maybe it helps for brainstorming to understand how the Garmin-container
is working.

So far I understand we take osm-way, shifting each osm-node to closest
Garmin-node, this then is written somehow to the map. But how all these
information are stored. Is the way-geometry stored once and the linked
to routing-data and drawing-data, or are they independent?

Basically I'm thinking, if rendering-ways can be merged while
routing-way is splitted more detailed. I think this might improve the
rendering of labels. So far I know Garmin-Software later just place the
labels per way. So if we have a lot of small ways, there will be too
many labels.

Henning
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Re: [mkgmap-dev] Limit the number of highway shields in basecamp and gps

[Henning Scholland]

Hi Gerd,
Maybe it helps for brainstorming to understand how the Garmin-container
is working.

So far I understand we take osm-way, shifting each osm-node to closest
Garmin-node, this then is written somehow to the map. But how all these
information are stored. Is the way-geometry stored once and the linked
to routing-data and drawing-data, or are they independent?

Basically I'm thinking, if rendering-ways can be merged while
routing-way is splitted more detailed. I think this might improve the
rendering of labels. So far I know Garmin-Software later just place the
labels per way. So if we have a lot of small ways, there will be too
many labels.

Henning
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Re: [mkgmap-dev] Limit the number of highway shields in basecamp and gps

[Gerd Petermann]

Hi Joris,

the ony switch that I know is the "map detail (level)" (ranges from lowest to 
highest). No idea if that helps.
If not, please provide the location of such an area.

Gerd


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Bo 
Gesendet: Montag, 12. März 2018 09:17:36
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Betreff: [mkgmap-dev] Limit the number of highway shields in basecamp and gps

Hello

Is there a way to limit the number (or extend the distance) of highway shields 
in basecamp?
On some zoomlevels the usage of ${ref | highway-symbol:hbox}' generates so many 
boxes, making the map difficult to read.


Thx
Joris

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[mkgmap-dev] Limit the number of highway shields in basecamp and gps

[Joris Bo]

Hello

Is there a way to limit the number (or extend the distance) of highway shields 
in basecamp?
On some zoomlevels the usage of ${ref | highway-symbol:hbox}' generates so many 
boxes, making the map difficult to read.


Thx
Joris

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