Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.

[Federico Di Gregorio]

On 13/11/2014 17:26, Miguel de Icaza wrote:
> 
> 
> But if you move everything to the split UI system the custom Gtk 2
> improvements for Mac and Windows will not be needed anymore and probably
> replacing them with Gtk 3 equivalents will make a nice improvement on
> the front of OS integration for Xamarin Studio on Linux.
> 
> 
> Correct, eventually this wont be necessary, and doing a port to Gtk# 3/4
> will be easier.
> 
> Yes, this is another half-hidden attempt at having CS on Linux. :)
> 
> 
> I do not understand what "CS on Linux" means.   

It should have been XS - Xamarin Studio.

> MonoDevelop *already* works on Linux, and internally we use it and
> continue to develop it on Linux.

No need to repeat that. It was a joke about myself pinging you and
anyone else I know at Xamarin every 6 months or so about getting XS and
Android support on Linkux.

> Even the Android support is developed on Linux.   We just have not
> figured out how to ship on Linux, and not being accused of not
> supporting your favorite distribution.

I still have hope. :)

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Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.

[Miguel de Icaza]

>
>
>
> But if you move everything to the split UI system the custom Gtk 2
> improvements for Mac and Windows will not be needed anymore and probably
> replacing them with Gtk 3 equivalents will make a nice improvement on
> the front of OS integration for Xamarin Studio on Linux.
>

Correct, eventually this wont be necessary, and doing a port to Gtk# 3/4
will be easier.

Yes, this is another half-hidden attempt at having CS on Linux. :)
>

I do not understand what "CS on Linux" means.

MonoDevelop *already* works on Linux, and internally we use it and continue
to develop it on Linux.

Even the Android support is developed on Linux.   We just have not figured
out how to ship on Linux, and not being accused of not supporting your
favorite distribution.

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Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.

[Federico Di Gregorio]

On 13/11/2014 15:51, Miguel de Icaza wrote:
> We are not likely going to move to Gtk# 3 any time soon.
> 
> We have evolved the plan over the years, but this is the current plan:
> 
>   * We are going to be refactoring Xamarin Studio along engine vs UI
> components, to allow us to build native UIs for each component (WPF
> on Windows, Cocoa on Mac, Gtk# on Linux).
> 
>   * We typically start with a Gtk# UI, because that one already works
> everywhere, so we start with this, and we then provide the
> per-platform UIs.
> 
> Replacing Gtk# 2 with 3 is not really a goal.  They change the API, and
> are about to change it again with 4.
> 
> When we move everything over to this split UI system, we will take a
> look at whether it is worth upgrading to newer versions of Gtk, but for
> now, version 2 has lots of custom improvements for Mac and Windows that
> have not yet been added to 3.

But if you move everything to the split UI system the custom Gtk 2
improvements for Mac and Windows will not be needed anymore and probably
replacing them with Gtk 3 equivalents will make a nice improvement on
the front of OS integration for Xamarin Studio on Linux.

Yes, this is another half-hidden attempt at having CS on Linux. :)

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Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.

[Miguel de Icaza]

We are not likely going to move to Gtk# 3 any time soon.

We have evolved the plan over the years, but this is the current plan:

   - We are going to be refactoring Xamarin Studio along engine vs UI
   components, to allow us to build native UIs for each component (WPF on
   Windows, Cocoa on Mac, Gtk# on Linux).

   - We typically start with a Gtk# UI, because that one already works
   everywhere, so we start with this, and we then provide the per-platform UIs.

Replacing Gtk# 2 with 3 is not really a goal.  They change the API, and are
about to change it again with 4.

When we move everything over to this split UI system, we will take a look
at whether it is worth upgrading to newer versions of Gtk, but for now,
version 2 has lots of custom improvements for Mac and Windows that have not
yet been added to 3.

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> It would be even better news if mono finally compiled cleanly under
> mingw-w64 with gtk#3.
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Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.

[Miguel de Icaza]

Hello Martin,

Xamarin Studio on Windows does not support iOS projects currently.

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Martin Thwaites 
wrote:

> Miljkenko,
>
> I'm not sure you understand how Xamarin studio works.  It works on
> Windows, even for iPhone development, you just need to push to a Mac build
> server if you want to run it/build it.  Therefore Xamarin Studio (with iOS)
> would probably be possible on linux in the same way it is on Windows.
>
> That said, Xamarin has publicly said that there aren't plans for it at the
> moment (can't remember where, probably on this list, or their forum).
>
> Martin
>
> On 12 November 2014 20:43, Miljenko Cvjetko 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 20141112 21:40 , Daniel Espinosa wrote:
>>
>> Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!!
>>
>> Remeber MonoDevelop?
>>
>> MonoDevelop is not dead it is the core of XS, so it is there. If you mean
>> on Xamarin.Android support that is another story.
>> Xamarin.iOS will be NO-GO because of Apple's requirement to have mac for
>> iOS, Mac development.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Mel
>>
>>
>> El mié, 12 de nov 2014 a las 2:38 , Martin Thwaites
>>   escribió:
>>
>> Next stop... Visual Studio on Linux :D
>>
>> On 12 November 2014 19:45, Edward Ned Harvey (mono) <
>> edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com> wrote:
>>
>>> > From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list-
>>> > boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza
>>>  >
>>> > Hey guys,
>>> >
>>> > I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog.
>>> >
>>> > We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code,
>>> > and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the
>>> > results.   That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef
>>> patch
>>> > removal a couple of weeks ago.
>>> >
>>> > http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html
>>>
>>>  WAA - HOO!!!  :-D
>>>
>>> Awesome, awesome.   Thank you.   :-D
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Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.

[Miguel de Icaza]

>
>
>  Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!!
>
> Remeber MonoDevelop?
>
> MonoDevelop is not dead it is the core of XS, so it is there. If you mean
> on Xamarin.Android support that is another story.
> Xamarin.iOS will be NO-GO because of Apple's requirement to have mac for
> iOS, Mac development.
>

Exactly.

Xamarin Studio and MonoDevelop share the same engine.

Xamarin Studio just adds a couple of add-ins (Android, iOS, Mac and
Branding)

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Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.

[Miljenko Cvjetko]

Hi Martin

On 20141112 21:57 , Martin Thwaites wrote:

Miljkenko,

Mel - to make it easier.


I'm not sure you understand how Xamarin studio works.

I think I know, but OK.

It works on Windows,

True.

even for iPhone development,
You have mixed it with Visual Studio plugin for iOS development. Xamarin 
Studio on Windows lets you develop only Android.


you just need to push to a Mac build server if you want to run 
it/build it.  Therefore Xamarin Studio (with iOS) would probably be 
possible on linux in the same way it is on Windows.


This is VS plugin and this was done to please VS centric developers 
(like I used to be). True it would be possible, but there are priorities...




That said, Xamarin has publicly said that there aren't plans for it at 
the moment (can't remember where, probably on this list, or their forum).
iOS on linux is far more distant goal than Android on linux. True both 
could be done, but when and if is another story.


best regads

Mel


Martin

On 12 November 2014 20:43, Miljenko Cvjetko > wrote:



On 20141112 21:40 , Daniel Espinosa wrote:

Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!!

Remeber MonoDevelop?

MonoDevelop is not dead it is the core of XS, so it is there. If
you mean on Xamarin.Android support that is another story.
Xamarin.iOS will be NO-GO because of Apple's requirement to have
mac for iOS, Mac development.

regards

Mel



El mié, 12 de nov 2014 a las 2:38 , Martin Thwaites
 
escribió:

Next stop... Visual Studio on Linux :D

On 12 November 2014 19:45, Edward Ned Harvey (mono)
mailto:edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com>> wrote:

> From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com

[mailto:mono-list- 
> boun...@lists.ximian.com
] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono
on my blog.
>
> We have already started the work to integrate the .NET
Framework code,
> and once I get back to Boston after the event we will
check in the
> results.   That is the reason we did not want to take the
large #ifdef patch
> removal a couple of weeks ago.
>
> http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html

WAA - HOO!!!  :-D

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Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.

[Martin Thwaites]

Miljkenko,

I'm not sure you understand how Xamarin studio works.  It works on Windows,
even for iPhone development, you just need to push to a Mac build server if
you want to run it/build it.  Therefore Xamarin Studio (with iOS) would
probably be possible on linux in the same way it is on Windows.

That said, Xamarin has publicly said that there aren't plans for it at the
moment (can't remember where, probably on this list, or their forum).

Martin

On 12 November 2014 20:43, Miljenko Cvjetko 
wrote:

>
> On 20141112 21:40 , Daniel Espinosa wrote:
>
> Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!!
>
> Remeber MonoDevelop?
>
> MonoDevelop is not dead it is the core of XS, so it is there. If you mean
> on Xamarin.Android support that is another story.
> Xamarin.iOS will be NO-GO because of Apple's requirement to have mac for
> iOS, Mac development.
>
> regards
>
> Mel
>
>
> El mié, 12 de nov 2014 a las 2:38 , Martin Thwaites
>   escribió:
>
> Next stop... Visual Studio on Linux :D
>
> On 12 November 2014 19:45, Edward Ned Harvey (mono) <
> edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com> wrote:
>
>> > From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list-
>> > boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza
>>  >
>> > Hey guys,
>> >
>> > I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog.
>> >
>> > We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code,
>> > and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the
>> > results.   That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef
>> patch
>> > removal a couple of weeks ago.
>> >
>> > http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html
>>
>>  WAA - HOO!!!  :-D
>>
>> Awesome, awesome.   Thank you.   :-D
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Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.

[Miljenko Cvjetko]

On 20141112 21:40 , Daniel Espinosa wrote:

Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!!

Remeber MonoDevelop?

MonoDevelop is not dead it is the core of XS, so it is there. If you 
mean on Xamarin.Android support that is another story.
Xamarin.iOS will be NO-GO because of Apple's requirement to have mac for 
iOS, Mac development.


regards

Mel


El mié, 12 de nov 2014 a las 2:38 , Martin Thwaites 
 escribió:

Next stop... Visual Studio on Linux :D

On 12 November 2014 19:45, Edward Ned Harvey (mono) 
> wrote:


> From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com
 [mailto:mono-list-

> boun...@lists.ximian.com ] On
Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my
blog.
>
> We have already started the work to integrate the .NET
Framework code,
> and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the
> results.   That is the reason we did not want to take the large
#ifdef patch
> removal a couple of weeks ago.
>
> http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html

WAA - HOO!!!  :-D

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Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.

[Miljenko Cvjetko]

Hi

On 20141112 21:43 , Martin Thwaites wrote:
I want Visual Studio, full, with all bells and whistles.  As good as 
Xamarin Studio/MonoDevelop is, I'd much prefer full VS.

Hardly imaginable.
.net in the beginning was one big COM object - even had a name what com+ 
v.2?
Similar with VS - still great parts are written in c/c++, so this is 
hardly to believe it will be ported to non Windows anytime soon...
Microsoft needs to fix some important issues in VS on windows first like 
supporting more than 256 chars paths -  for modern OS this is tragic,




I imagine that is likely to not be a reality for a long time.  Having 
said that, I said the same about opensourcing the .NET framework, and 
just look how wrong I was on that front!

yup, huge change.
OK we had an alternative -  mono.

cheers

mel


On 12 November 2014 20:40, Daniel Espinosa > wrote:


Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!!

El mié, 12 de nov 2014 a las 2:38 , Martin Thwaites
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escribió:


Next stop... Visual Studio on Linux :D

On 12 November 2014 19:45, Edward Ned Harvey (mono)
mailto:edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com>> wrote:

> From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com

[mailto:mono-list- 
> boun...@lists.ximian.com ]
On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono
on my blog.
>
> We have already started the work to integrate the .NET
Framework code,
> and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check
in the
> results.   That is the reason we did not want to take the
large #ifdef patch
> removal a couple of weeks ago.
>
> http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html

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Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.

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On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Daniel Espinosa  wrote:

> Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!!
>
>
Technically Xamarin Studio is already on Linux under monodevelop :)

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Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.

[Martin Thwaites]

I want Visual Studio, full, with all bells and whistles.  As good as
Xamarin Studio/MonoDevelop is, I'd much prefer full VS.

I imagine that is likely to not be a reality for a long time.  Having said
that, I said the same about opensourcing the .NET framework, and just look
how wrong I was on that front!

On 12 November 2014 20:40, Daniel Espinosa  wrote:

> Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!!
>
> El mié, 12 de nov 2014 a las 2:38 , Martin Thwaites <
> monofo...@my2cents.co.uk> escribió:
>
> Next stop... Visual Studio on Linux :D
>
> On 12 November 2014 19:45, Edward Ned Harvey (mono) <
> edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com> wrote:
>
>> > From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list-
>> > boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza
>> >
>> > Hey guys,
>> >
>> > I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog.
>> >
>> > We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code,
>> > and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the
>> > results.   That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef
>> patch
>> > removal a couple of weeks ago.
>> >
>> > http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html
>>
>> WAA - HOO!!!  :-D
>>
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Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.

[Daniel Espinosa]

Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!!

El mié, 12 de nov 2014 a las 2:38 , Martin Thwaites 
 escribió:

Next stop... Visual Studio on Linux :D

On 12 November 2014 19:45, Edward Ned Harvey (mono) 
 wrote:

> From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list-
> boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my 
blog.

>
> We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework 
code,

> and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the
> results.   That is the reason we did not want to take the large 
#ifdef patch

> removal a couple of weeks ago.
>
> http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html

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Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.

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Next stop... Visual Studio on Linux :D

On 12 November 2014 19:45, Edward Ned Harvey (mono) <
edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com> wrote:

> > From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list-
> > boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza
> >
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog.
> >
> > We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code,
> > and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the
> > results.   That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef
> patch
> > removal a couple of weeks ago.
> >
> > http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html
>
> WAA - HOO!!!  :-D
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Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.

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> From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list-
> boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog.
> 
> We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code,
> and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the
> results.   That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef patch
> removal a couple of weeks ago.
> 
> http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html

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