Re: [MOSAIC] lexiles
Hi. At our middle school, the majority of our sixth and seventh graders are at level x,y. It is mainly honors students that are reading the z level and beyond books. In our classroom libraries, z's include Shakespeare, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, Around the World in 80 Days, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, and the like. These students are most-likely the avid readers that have read everything else : ) It is our philosophy that those students can pretty much read whatever they like- the deep comprehension/understanding can be taught and assessed on the book they choose. I hope this helps and hasn't confused anyone! Alicia I've been looking at Lexile levels too now because I need to know how to define "beyond Z." Has anyone created a "Beyond Z" list or migrated from Fountas and Pinnel to Lexile as a way to measure and match for seventh and eighth graders? Maureen Robins Assistant Principal JHS 194 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Carol Carlson Sent: Fri 7/4/2008 3:27 PM To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] lexiles Lexiles have the same limitations as any measure of the difficulty of a text. I, too, tried to correlate them to Fountas & Pinnell levels and / or grade equivalents from publishers. It really didn't correlate. However, both our Illinois state test and the MAP test give lexile measures. I explain to both parents and teachers that the lexile is a good screening measure--that is it does give us some idea about how to match students to the difficulty of text. But, as we have previously discussed, that matching is only ONE criteria in matching students to text. Background knowledge, motivation, and interest also need to be considered. There is a website www.lexile.com that provides students and parents with lists of books and purports to help match students to appropriate text. The site does provide a lot of information, but it does seem to give the idea that the lexile is the end all of matching students to text. There is a section for parents and students that provides students with lists of appropriate. It does ask students to take a survey to identify their interests. I don't know, though, of any teachers that use it. Has anyone tried this? I suppose it would be one help for classroom teachers. Has anyone use it? Just as with any text measure, I caution to use it judiciously. Carol La Grange, Il Carol On Jul 4, 2008, at 2:05 PM, gina nunley wrote: > I too have just accepted a new job, working as a Literacy > Specialist for the state. I'll travel to different districts with > my focus being the use of the Strategic Instruction Model (out of > University of Kansas). > > My biggest sadness and concern is leaving the classroom and KIDS. > Everything we do boils down to how kids react to what we do, and I > am more than a little concerned about losing that direct contact, > though I will have lots of opportunities for coaching in the > classroom. I'll be all the more passionate about coming here to > listen to teachers in the classroom > > Right away I have a topic to research and I wondered what > understandings some of you may have. How many of you use lexile > levels in your reading program? I did but have to admit they never > totally made sense to me. The ranges were difficult to understand > and hard to correlate to other programs. Basically I used them to > determine who to give a QRI to. > > Can anyone share their thoughts on lexiles? I apologize if this is > off the list topics. I am thinking though that in all our strategy > comprehension work we're very concerned about matching kids to the > right book, and always looking for a good way to measure that. > _ > Making the world a better place one message at a time. > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ > mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the M
Re: [MOSAIC] lexiles
I've been looking at Lexile levels too now because I need to know how to define "beyond Z." Has anyone created a "Beyond Z" list or migrated from Fountas and Pinnel to Lexile as a way to measure and match for seventh and eighth graders? Maureen Robins Assistant Principal JHS 194 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Carol Carlson Sent: Fri 7/4/2008 3:27 PM To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] lexiles Lexiles have the same limitations as any measure of the difficulty of a text. I, too, tried to correlate them to Fountas & Pinnell levels and / or grade equivalents from publishers. It really didn't correlate. However, both our Illinois state test and the MAP test give lexile measures. I explain to both parents and teachers that the lexile is a good screening measure--that is it does give us some idea about how to match students to the difficulty of text. But, as we have previously discussed, that matching is only ONE criteria in matching students to text. Background knowledge, motivation, and interest also need to be considered. There is a website www.lexile.com that provides students and parents with lists of books and purports to help match students to appropriate text. The site does provide a lot of information, but it does seem to give the idea that the lexile is the end all of matching students to text. There is a section for parents and students that provides students with lists of appropriate. It does ask students to take a survey to identify their interests. I don't know, though, of any teachers that use it. Has anyone tried this? I suppose it would be one help for classroom teachers. Has anyone use it? Just as with any text measure, I caution to use it judiciously. Carol La Grange, Il Carol On Jul 4, 2008, at 2:05 PM, gina nunley wrote: > I too have just accepted a new job, working as a Literacy > Specialist for the state. I'll travel to different districts with > my focus being the use of the Strategic Instruction Model (out of > University of Kansas). > > My biggest sadness and concern is leaving the classroom and KIDS. > Everything we do boils down to how kids react to what we do, and I > am more than a little concerned about losing that direct contact, > though I will have lots of opportunities for coaching in the > classroom. I'll be all the more passionate about coming here to > listen to teachers in the classroom > > Right away I have a topic to research and I wondered what > understandings some of you may have. How many of you use lexile > levels in your reading program? I did but have to admit they never > totally made sense to me. The ranges were difficult to understand > and hard to correlate to other programs. Basically I used them to > determine who to give a QRI to. > > Can anyone share their thoughts on lexiles? I apologize if this is > off the list topics. I am thinking though that in all our strategy > comprehension work we're very concerned about matching kids to the > right book, and always looking for a good way to measure that. > _ > Making the world a better place one message at a time. > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ > mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] lexiles
Hi Gina, Congratulations on your new job. I have read about the Strategic Instruction Model but have never used it. I am impressed with much of Deschler's work from Kansas. My district uses the NWEA so we also use lexiles. I find that at the elementary grades, lexiles are not as reliable as either guided reading or DRA levels. I believe that lexiles are based on sentence complexity and vocabulary so they can be misleading (how much you need to inference is not a factor). However, where I have found them to be very helpful is at the middle and high schools. Many of our middle and high school teachers had no idea of the level of some of the text that they were assigning. It was an eye opener to realize that a student's lexile level was 650 but the text he was assigned was a 950! We started a bookroom this year so I leveled the books by both lexile and Guided reading level. There was quite a bit of discrepancy. I did make a simple chart for my teachers with the approximate correlations between grade, lexile, DRA, and guided reading levels. If you'd like a copy I can send you one. Good luck, Linda On Jul 4, 2008, at 3:05 PM, gina nunley wrote: > I too have just accepted a new job, working as a Literacy > Specialist for the state. I'll travel to different districts with > my focus being the use of the Strategic Instruction Model (out of > University of Kansas). > > My biggest sadness and concern is leaving the classroom and KIDS. > Everything we do boils down to how kids react to what we do, and I > am more than a little concerned about losing that direct contact, > though I will have lots of opportunities for coaching in the > classroom. I'll be all the more passionate about coming here to > listen to teachers in the classroom > > Right away I have a topic to research and I wondered what > understandings some of you may have. How many of you use lexile > levels in your reading program? I did but have to admit they never > totally made sense to me. The ranges were difficult to understand > and hard to correlate to other programs. Basically I used them to > determine who to give a QRI to. > > Can anyone share their thoughts on lexiles? I apologize if this is > off the list topics. I am thinking though that in all our strategy > comprehension work we're very concerned about matching kids to the > right book, and always looking for a good way to measure that. > _ > Making the world a better place one message at a time. > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ > mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] lexiles
Lexiles have the same limitations as any measure of the difficulty of a text. I, too, tried to correlate them to Fountas & Pinnell levels and / or grade equivalents from publishers. It really didn't correlate. However, both our Illinois state test and the MAP test give lexile measures. I explain to both parents and teachers that the lexile is a good screening measure--that is it does give us some idea about how to match students to the difficulty of text. But, as we have previously discussed, that matching is only ONE criteria in matching students to text. Background knowledge, motivation, and interest also need to be considered. There is a website www.lexile.com that provides students and parents with lists of books and purports to help match students to appropriate text. The site does provide a lot of information, but it does seem to give the idea that the lexile is the end all of matching students to text. There is a section for parents and students that provides students with lists of appropriate. It does ask students to take a survey to identify their interests. I don't know, though, of any teachers that use it. Has anyone tried this? I suppose it would be one help for classroom teachers. Has anyone use it? Just as with any text measure, I caution to use it judiciously. Carol La Grange, Il Carol On Jul 4, 2008, at 2:05 PM, gina nunley wrote: > I too have just accepted a new job, working as a Literacy > Specialist for the state. I'll travel to different districts with > my focus being the use of the Strategic Instruction Model (out of > University of Kansas). > > My biggest sadness and concern is leaving the classroom and KIDS. > Everything we do boils down to how kids react to what we do, and I > am more than a little concerned about losing that direct contact, > though I will have lots of opportunities for coaching in the > classroom. I'll be all the more passionate about coming here to > listen to teachers in the classroom > > Right away I have a topic to research and I wondered what > understandings some of you may have. How many of you use lexile > levels in your reading program? I did but have to admit they never > totally made sense to me. The ranges were difficult to understand > and hard to correlate to other programs. Basically I used them to > determine who to give a QRI to. > > Can anyone share their thoughts on lexiles? I apologize if this is > off the list topics. I am thinking though that in all our strategy > comprehension work we're very concerned about matching kids to the > right book, and always looking for a good way to measure that. > _ > Making the world a better place one message at a time. > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ > mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] lexiles
I too have just accepted a new job, working as a Literacy Specialist for the state. I'll travel to different districts with my focus being the use of the Strategic Instruction Model (out of University of Kansas). My biggest sadness and concern is leaving the classroom and KIDS. Everything we do boils down to how kids react to what we do, and I am more than a little concerned about losing that direct contact, though I will have lots of opportunities for coaching in the classroom. I'll be all the more passionate about coming here to listen to teachers in the classroom Right away I have a topic to research and I wondered what understandings some of you may have. How many of you use lexile levels in your reading program? I did but have to admit they never totally made sense to me. The ranges were difficult to understand and hard to correlate to other programs. Basically I used them to determine who to give a QRI to. Can anyone share their thoughts on lexiles? I apologize if this is off the list topics. I am thinking though that in all our strategy comprehension work we're very concerned about matching kids to the right book, and always looking for a good way to measure that. _ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Lexiles
Here is a link for a chart that compares lexiles, reading levels, F&P, writing levels etc. http://www.suu.edu/faculty/lundd/readingsite/readingresources/bookleveling.htm Cynthia On 10/25/06, GETTO RO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not sure what some of you might think...but lexiles and levels are 2 > very different things. WE became very frustrated in trying to do a > correlations between the two. We gave up. I think that some classroom > libraries are leveled and kids are in leveled books in guided reading and it > just might limit kids in the library. > If anyone has figured out the lexile and F&P leveling let us know. > Ro > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jennifer Halter > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:49 AM > To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > Subject: [MOSAIC] Lexiles > > > As a Librarian, I too am very interested in this topic and value any > input. > > Thank you, > > Jennifer > > >>> "underdown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/23/06 9:11 AM >>> > I have a question about lexiles and libraries. We are considering > leveling > the books in our library. Has anyone out there done that? If so, is > each > book leveled or are the books in leveled sections? What do you guys > think > about this idea? Part of me thinks kids will feel limited by their > lexile > level, but I feel that if our teachers do a good job of explaining what > a > lexile level is to kids, they will be more informed when they choose > books...what do you think? Just looking for some feedback on a new idea > in my > district. > > barb > > > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Lexiles
I'm not sure what some of you might think...but lexiles and levels are 2 very different things. WE became very frustrated in trying to do a correlations between the two. We gave up. I think that some classroom libraries are leveled and kids are in leveled books in guided reading and it just might limit kids in the library. If anyone has figured out the lexile and F&P leveling let us know. Ro -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jennifer Halter Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:49 AM To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Subject: [MOSAIC] Lexiles As a Librarian, I too am very interested in this topic and value any input. Thank you, Jennifer >>> "underdown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/23/06 9:11 AM >>> I have a question about lexiles and libraries. We are considering leveling the books in our library. Has anyone out there done that? If so, is each book leveled or are the books in leveled sections? What do you guys think about this idea? Part of me thinks kids will feel limited by their lexile level, but I feel that if our teachers do a good job of explaining what a lexile level is to kids, they will be more informed when they choose books...what do you think? Just looking for some feedback on a new idea in my district. barb ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
[MOSAIC] Lexiles
As a Librarian, I too am very interested in this topic and value any input. Thank you, Jennifer >>> "underdown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/23/06 9:11 AM >>> I have a question about lexiles and libraries. We are considering leveling the books in our library. Has anyone out there done that? If so, is each book leveled or are the books in leveled sections? What do you guys think about this idea? Part of me thinks kids will feel limited by their lexile level, but I feel that if our teachers do a good job of explaining what a lexile level is to kids, they will be more informed when they choose books...what do you think? Just looking for some feedback on a new idea in my district. barb ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
[MOSAIC] Lexiles
I have a question about lexiles and libraries. We are considering leveling the books in our library. Has anyone out there done that? If so, is each book leveled or are the books in leveled sections? What do you guys think about this idea? Part of me thinks kids will feel limited by their lexile level, but I feel that if our teachers do a good job of explaining what a lexile level is to kids, they will be more informed when they choose books...what do you think? Just looking for some feedback on a new idea in my district. barb ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
