BGP Update Report
BGP Update Report Interval: 15-Sep-06 -to- 28-Sep-06 (14 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS4637 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS17974 26579 2.5% 73.6 -- TELKOMNET-AS2-AP PT TELEKOMUNIKASI INDONESIA 2 - AS28751 12591 1.2% 99.1 -- CAUCASUS-NET-AS Caucasus Network Tbilisi, Georgia 3 - AS855 11743 1.1% 21.1 -- CANET-ASN-4 - Aliant Telecom 4 - AS15611 10569 1.0% 98.8 -- Iranian Research Organisation 5 - AS773810258 1.0% 109.1 -- Telecomunicacoes da Bahia S.A. 6 - AS6197 9176 0.9% 7.1 -- BATI-ATL - BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc 7 - AS6713 7588 0.7% 64.3 -- IAM-AS Itissalat Al-MAGHRIB 8 - AS124977256 0.7% 151.2 -- SANET-GE SANET NETWORK (AS) 9 - AS4134 6796 0.7% 11.4 -- CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 10 - AS337836430 0.6% 60.1 -- EEPAD 11 - AS9829 6072 0.6% 17.1 -- BSNL-NIB National Internet Backbone 12 - AS4621 5936 0.6% 44.6 -- UNSPECIFIED UNINET-TH 13 - AS4795 5735 0.5% 26.2 -- INDOSAT2-ID INDOSATNET-ASN 14 - AS9121 5693 0.5% 59.3 -- TTNET TTnet Autonomous System 15 - AS5639 5676 0.5% 84.7 -- Telecommunication Services of Trinidad and Tobago 16 - AS239185624 0.5% 45.4 -- CBB-BGP-IBARAKI Connexion By Boeing Ibaraki AS 17 - AS702 5615 0.5% 19.4 -- AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 18 - AS346955612 0.5% 119.4 -- E4A-AS E4A Primary AS 19 - AS8151 5127 0.5% 9.0 -- Uninet S.A. de C.V. 20 - AS191695015 0.5% 37.1 -- Telconet S.A TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS (Updates per announced prefix) Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS129221094 0.1%1094.0 -- MULTITRADE-AS Bank Outsourcer 2 - AS391321022 0.1%1022.0 -- ETRANS ETRANS AG 3 - AS34378 899 0.1% 899.0 -- RUG-AS Razguliay-UKRROS Group 4 - AS392501551 0.1% 775.5 -- COLOPROVIDER-AS Colo Provider 5 - AS185603099 0.3% 774.8 -- CYBERSHORE - Cybershore, Inc 6 - AS247111518 0.1% 759.0 -- CLS-ARGOS-AS C L S 7 - AS7013 677 0.1% 677.0 -- NETSELECT - Health Sciences Libraries Consortium 8 - AS12408 581 0.1% 581.0 -- BIKENT-AS Bikent Ltd. Autonomous system 9 - AS6482 562 0.1% 562.0 -- NYNEX-ITC - NYNEX Information Technology Company 10 - AS20648 982 0.1% 491.0 -- RAN-INTERNET Spain 11 - AS18173 436 0.0% 436.0 -- AKU-AS-PK Aga Khan University 12 - AS41508 420 0.0% 420.0 -- PL-IWACOM-AS IWACOM Sp. z o.o. 13 - AS33996 417 0.0% 417.0 -- BACA-AS BA-Creditanstalt-Leasing Poland S.A. 14 - AS14548 384 0.0% 384.0 -- LISTEN-SF-1 - Listen.com 15 - AS347871871 0.2% 374.2 -- LYAKH-AS PF Volodymyr Lyakh 16 - AS31942 747 0.1% 373.5 -- COBECV - COBE CV 17 - AS15755 348 0.0% 348.0 -- ISPRO Autonomous System Izmir,TURKEY 18 - AS3043 2779 0.3% 347.4 -- AMPHIB-AS - Amphibian Media Corporation 19 - AS23917 678 0.1% 339.0 -- BRIBIE-NET-AS-AP Bribie Island Net Multihomed, Brisbane 20 - AS25250 330 0.0% 330.0 -- GAMTEL-AS Gambia Telecoms Backbone Network Network TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name 1 - 203.199.128.0/19 3154 0.2% AS4755 -- VSNL-AS Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Autonomous System 2 - 209.140.24.0/242706 0.2% AS3043 -- AMPHIB-AS - Amphibian Media Corporation 3 - 208.0.225.0/24 2536 0.2% AS11139 -- CWRIN CW BARBADOS 4 - 143.81.0.0/21 1720 0.1% AS6034 -- DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 5 - 83.98.220.0/23 1394 0.1% AS39250 -- COLOPROVIDER-AS Colo Provider 6 - 199.173.122.0/24 1278 0.1% AS1661 -- ANS-ATLANTA - ANS Communications 7 - 203.112.154.0/24 1260 0.1% AS17783 -- SRILRPG-AS SRIL RPG Autonomous System 8 - 194.105.61.0/241094 0.1% AS12922 -- MULTITRADE-AS Bank Outsourcer 9 - 83.137.72.0/21 1022 0.1% AS39132 -- ETRANS ETRANS AG 10 - 63.112.156.0/22 979 0.1% AS18560 -- CYBERSHORE - Cybershore, Inc 11 - 212.34.128.0/22 968 0.1% AS20648 -- RAN-INTERNET Spain 12 - 193.242.123.0/24899 0.1% AS34378 -- RUG-AS Razguliay-UKRROS Group 13 - 82.207.177.0/24 777 0.1% AS8881 -- VERSATEL Versatel Global Network 14 - 80.245.34.0/24 761 0.1% AS24711 -- CLS-ARGOS-AS C L S 15 - 62.161.32.0/24 757 0.1% AS24711 -- CLS-ARGOS-AS C L S 16 - 195.46.34.0/23 755 0.1% AS31200 -- NTK Novotelecom ltd. 17 - 63.119.236.0/24 747 0.1% AS14717 -- ECINET - EZE Castle Integration Inc. 18 -
The Cidr Report
This report has been generated at Fri Sep 29 21:45:30 2006 AEST.
The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router
and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table.
Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report.
Recent Table History
Date PrefixesCIDR Agg
22-09-06195595 127293
23-09-06195550 127441
24-09-06195657 127515
25-09-06195907 127601
26-09-06196049 127616
27-09-06196190 127507
28-09-06195805 127782
29-09-06196382 127649
AS Summary
23144 Number of ASes in routing system
9714 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix
1489 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS
AS7018 : ATT-INTERNET4 - ATT WorldNet Services
91330816 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s)
AS721 : DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center
Aggregation Summary
The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only
when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as
to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also
proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes').
--- 29Sep06 ---
ASnumNetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description
Table 196379 1277036867635.0% All ASes
AS4134 1212 268 94477.9% CHINANET-BACKBONE
No.31,Jin-rong Street
AS4755 989 65 92493.4% VSNL-AS Videsh Sanchar Nigam
Ltd. Autonomous System
AS18566 964 127 83786.8% COVAD - Covad Communications
Co.
AS4323 1017 293 72471.2% TWTC - Time Warner Telecom,
Inc.
AS9498 852 144 70883.1% BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET
LTD.
AS721973 308 66568.3% DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network
Information Center
AS22773 710 52 65892.7% CCINET-2 - Cox Communications
Inc.
AS6197 1027 487 54052.6% BATI-ATL - BellSouth Network
Solutions, Inc
AS19262 700 188 51273.1% VZGNI-TRANSIT - Verizon
Internet Services Inc.
AS7018 1489 990 49933.5% ATT-INTERNET4 - ATT WorldNet
Services
AS19916 565 68 49788.0% ASTRUM-0001 - OLM LLC
AS17488 534 49 48590.8% HATHWAY-NET-AP Hathway IP Over
Cable Internet
AS855552 88 46484.1% CANET-ASN-4 - Aliant Telecom
AS11492 750 292 45861.1% CABLEONE - CABLE ONE
AS17676 499 63 43687.4% JPNIC-JP-ASN-BLOCK Japan
Network Information Center
AS18101 456 24 43294.7% RIL-IDC Reliance Infocom Ltd
Internet Data Centre,
AS3602 512 103 40979.9% AS3602-RTI - Rogers Telecom
Inc.
AS4766 706 311 39555.9% KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom
AS812407 26 38193.6% ROGERS-CABLE - Rogers Cable
Inc.
AS15270 462 88 37481.0% AS-PAETEC-NET - PaeTec.net -a
division of
PaeTecCommunications, Inc.
AS4812 408 63 34584.6% CHINANET-SH-AP China Telecom
(Group)
AS6467 385 59 32684.7% ESPIRECOMM - Xspedius
Communications Co.
AS2386 1166 844 32227.6% INS-AS - ATT Data
Communications Services
AS16852 369 53 31685.6% FOCAL-CHICAGO - Focal Data
Communications of Illinois
AS33588 391 94 29776.0% BRESNAN-AS - Bresnan
Communications, LLC.
AS16814 329 47 28285.7% NSS S.A.
AS19115 375 96 27974.4% CHARTER-LEBANON - Charter
Communications
AS14654 300 30 27090.0% WAYPORT - Wayport
AS17849 423 161 26261.9% GINAMHANVIT-AS-KR hanvit ginam
broadcasting comm.
Re: Outages mailing list
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:32:35 +0200, Niels Bakker said: Gadi's tactics in a nutshell: 1) develop a long-term habit of posting off-topic stuff to nanog 2) get called on it repeatedly OK, for the purposes of this discussion, we'll postulate that in fact, the posting was indeed off-topic... 3) challenge what's supposed to be on-topic for the mailing list anyway 4) start a new mailing list in an attempt to take real content away from nanog But if he takes the supposedly off-topic stuff away, what real content is he taking away? You can't have it both ways. If it's sufficiently real that you're concerned about it being taken to a different list, you shouldn't have labelled it off-topic earlier. Don't fall for it, people. Don't fall for what? pgpLU6c9xmMIH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Outages mailing list
Presumably, if you find you can't reach the outages list because their listserv has had an outage, you just come up on NANOG like before? On 9/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:32:35 +0200, Niels Bakker said: Gadi's tactics in a nutshell: 1) develop a long-term habit of posting off-topic stuff to nanog 2) get called on it repeatedly OK, for the purposes of this discussion, we'll postulate that in fact, the posting was indeed off-topic... 3) challenge what's supposed to be on-topic for the mailing list anyway 4) start a new mailing list in an attempt to take real content away from nanog But if he takes the supposedly off-topic stuff away, what real content is he taking away? You can't have it both ways. If it's sufficiently real that you're concerned about it being taken to a different list, you shouldn't have labelled it off-topic earlier. Don't fall for it, people. Don't fall for what?
Re: Outages mailing list
Alexander Harrowell wrote: Presumably, if you find you can't reach the outages list because their listserv has had an outage, you just come up on NANOG like before? Please, let's not do this one again. I can't imagine what this profits anyone. Let this be the last post, resist the temptation to put in your two cents worth, and just let it be. -- Creating consternation around boundary conditions and then proposing artificial self-serving compromises is one of the oldest games there is on mailing lists, going back pretty much to the invention of Usenet.
Re: Outages mailing list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 All, Niels Bakker wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Albert Meyer) [Thu 28 Sep 2006, 21:47 CEST]: William Allen Simpson wrote: Don't forget to CC all the traffic to NANOG list. Please don't do that. We don't need more pontification from Gadi. This new separate list sounds like a great idea, if only because it will distract him from NANOG-L. I don't post much but I read NANOG-L for the operational content, and the off-topic posts generated by Gadi and his supporters/detractors significantly reduce the SNR. I've been sending him private emails asking him to stop polluting NANOG-L for some time, but those emails have had no effect, nor have the numerous public requests posted to the list by others. Hoping that another list will entice him away seems to be our only hope, and forwarding that list here would defeat the purpose. Gadi's tactics in a nutshell: 1) develop a long-term habit of posting off-topic stuff to nanog 2) get called on it repeatedly 3) challenge what's supposed to be on-topic for the mailing list anyway 4) start a new mailing list in an attempt to take real content away from nanog 5) ??? 6) profit! Don't fall for it, people. -- Niels. - - I apologize if I wasn't clear in my original e-mail. The outages mailing list is being run by me (virendra rode) with the only motive to help the network operator community. Gadi Randy were nice enough to offer help w/ bandwidth and hosting this mailing list. I would really appreciate if folks can show some professionalism keep their personal (non-operational) attacks off list. You are not being productive nor helping with the process. Email me directly and I will assist in resolving your questions and concerns. As far as the outages mailing list goes, this list will remain general Internet backbone style outage-centric mailing list and I welcome constructive criticism. Ideally (if I have better luck) I would like to get providers to direct outage notices to this list. All that really matters is that we have a central pace where network operators (nanog, sanog, isp-routing, cisco-nsp, etc) can post notice (backbone-types) of problems so that people are aware of them and can offer an informed answer. I would really appreciate everyones co-operation. Thanks for listening. regards, /virendra -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFHUEdpbZvCIJx1bcRAnvMAKDRt9+eU4wBUvXGaEvorMWDNBJgtgCg1iaj nZZuud0MBS8wcVS7fyXThko= =4v3n -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Outages mailing list
if folk need to discuss more gadiisms as opposed to ops stuff, any chance it could move to -futures? randy
Anyone with clue at Halifax Cablevision or Eastlink in Canada?
I need to speak with someone with clue at either of the companies below: Andara High Speed Internet c/o Halifax Cablevision LTD. ANDARA Eastlink HSI EASTLINK-BWTR-UBR-1 Please hit me up offlist. Thank You, Mike
Weekly Routing Table Report
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For historical data, please see http://thyme.apnic.net. If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 30 Sep, 2006 Analysis Summary BGP routing table entries examined: 199091 Prefixes after maximum aggregation: 108525 Unique aggregates announced to Internet: 96637 Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 23229 Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 20244 Origin ASes announcing only one prefix:9714 Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:2985 Transit-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 73 Average AS path length visible in the Internet Routing Table: 3.5 Max AS path length visible: 29 Max AS path prepend of ASN (36728) 27 Prefixes from unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 2 Unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 3 Special use prefixes present in the Routing Table:0 Prefixes being announced from unallocated address space: 10 Number of addresses announced to Internet: 1593268492 Equivalent to 94 /8s, 247 /16s and 89 /24s Percentage of available address space announced: 43.0 Percentage of allocated address space announced: 61.0 Percentage of available address space allocated: 70.5 Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 99681 APNIC Region Analysis Summary - Prefixes being announced by APNIC Region ASes:43613 Total APNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 17518 Prefixes being announced from the APNIC address blocks: 41222 Unique aggregates announced from the APNIC address blocks:18560 APNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:2699 APNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix:752 APNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:406 Average APNIC Region AS path length visible:3.5 Max APNIC Region AS path length visible: 24 Number of APNIC addresses announced to Internet: 262669664 Equivalent to 15 /8s, 168 /16s and 5 /24s Percentage of available APNIC address space announced: 82.1 APNIC AS Blocks4608-4864, 7467-7722, 9216-10239, 17408-18431 (pre-ERX allocations) 23552-24575, 37888-38911 APNIC Address Blocks 58/7, 60/7, 121/8, 122/7, 124/7, 126/8, 202/7 210/7, 218/7, 220/7 and 222/8 ARIN Region Analysis Summary Prefixes being announced by ARIN Region ASes:100462 Total ARIN prefixes after maximum aggregation:59518 Prefixes being announced from the ARIN address blocks:73762 Unique aggregates announced from the ARIN address blocks: 27824 ARIN Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:11016 ARIN Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix:4180 ARIN Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:1019 Average ARIN Region AS path length visible: 3.3 Max ARIN Region AS path length visible: 29 Number of ARIN addresses announced to Internet: 302082560 Equivalent to 18 /8s, 1 /16s and 106 /24s Percentage of available ARIN address space announced: 78.3 ARIN AS Blocks 1-1876, 1902-2042, 2044-2046, 2048-2106 (pre-ERX allocations) 2138-2584, 2615-2772, 2823-2829, 2880-3153 3354-4607, 4865-5119, 5632-6655, 6912-7466 7723-8191, 10240-12287, 13312-15359, 16384-17407 18432-20479, 21504-23551, 25600-26591, 26624-27647, 29696-30719, 31744-33791 35840-36863, 39936-40959 ARIN Address Blocks24/8, 63/8, 64/5, 72/6, 76/8, 199/8, 204/6, 208/7 and 216/8 RIPE Region Analysis Summary Prefixes being announced by RIPE Region ASes: 40317 Total RIPE prefixes after maximum aggregation:26767 Prefixes being announced from the RIPE address blocks:37266 Unique aggregates announced from the RIPE address blocks: 25004 RIPE Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 8553 RIPE Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix:4489 RIPE Region transit ASes present in the
West Coast Fiber Cut?
Anyone know much about this major west coast fiber between Los Angeles and Washington that was supposed cut this morning? Our network is having gnarly problems through one of our providers and lesser ones through the other. Investigation went on for about 2 hours, whereupon i finally received an email from InterNAP talking about the problems starting at 9:45AM PDT, and being rooted in this fiber cut. My other provider has since told me that it was a Qwest fiber, and that most major transit providers were using it. Anyone heard anything else about this? Thanks, Rick Kunkel
Re: West Coast Fiber Cut?
Friday, September 29, 2006, 12:29:28 PM, you wrote: RK Anyone know much about this major west coast fiber between Los Angeles and RK Washington that was supposed cut this morning? Our network is having RK gnarly problems through one of our providers and lesser ones through the RK other. Investigation went on for about 2 hours, whereupon i finally RK received an email from InterNAP talking about the problems starting at RK 9:45AM PDT, and being rooted in this fiber cut. My other provider has RK since told me that it was a Qwest fiber, and that most major transit RK providers were using it. RK Anyone heard anything else about this? We're seeing circuits down from Sacramento, CA to Redding, CA at this time. ATT has confirmed 4 OC-48's are cut and 5 OC-3's to us at this time. Regards, Joe Boyce --- InterStar, Inc. - Shasta.com Internet Office: +1 (530) 224-6866 x105 Direct Line: +1 (530) 229-4023 Cellular: +1 (530) 351-4547 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: West Coast Fiber Cut?
Global crossing is reporting that SBC was horizontal boring and knocked out Quest and SBC fiber. This is 4 km north of Wolden Ave and Main St. in Red Bluff, CA. Qwest has techs on site and they're digging. -- ~Andy Brezinsky On Fri, 2006-09-29 at 12:29 -0700, Rick Kunkel wrote: Anyone know much about this major west coast fiber between Los Angeles and Washington that was supposed cut this morning? Our network is having gnarly problems through one of our providers and lesser ones through the other. Investigation went on for about 2 hours, whereupon i finally received an email from InterNAP talking about the problems starting at 9:45AM PDT, and being rooted in this fiber cut. My other provider has since told me that it was a Qwest fiber, and that most major transit providers were using it. Anyone heard anything else about this? Thanks, Rick Kunkel
Re: West Coast Fiber Cut?
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 12:29:28PM -0700, Rick Kunkel wrote: Anyone know much about this major west coast fiber between Los Angeles and Washington that was supposed cut this morning? Our network is having gnarly problems through one of our providers and lesser ones through the other. Investigation went on for about 2 hours, whereupon i finally received an email from InterNAP talking about the problems starting at 9:45AM PDT, and being rooted in this fiber cut. My other provider has since told me that it was a Qwest fiber, and that most major transit providers were using it. Anyone heard anything else about this? I haven't heard anything, although we don't use InterNAP for IP nor Qwest for transit. Some of our eastern-bound IP traffic does head south (from norcal to socal). Do you have general timestamps of when the issue began? And two hours to determine a cut is pretty absurd, if you ask me. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networkinghttp://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB |
Re: West Coast Fiber Cut?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 as reported on outages mailing list. regards, /virendra - Original Message Subject: Re: [Outages] [SPAM] - Global Crossing Issues - Bayesian Filter detected spam Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:40:38 -0400 From: Steve Postma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cody Lerum [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just talked to Global, Fibre has been cut between LA and Washington, no specifics. Steve Postma Systems Administrator 781-994-1200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Travizon, Inc. | Working to Bring People Together http://www.travizon.com Rick Kunkel wrote: Anyone know much about this major west coast fiber between Los Angeles and Washington that was supposed cut this morning? Our network is having gnarly problems through one of our providers and lesser ones through the other. Investigation went on for about 2 hours, whereupon i finally received an email from InterNAP talking about the problems starting at 9:45AM PDT, and being rooted in this fiber cut. My other provider has since told me that it was a Qwest fiber, and that most major transit providers were using it. Anyone heard anything else about this? Thanks, Rick Kunkel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFHXaepbZvCIJx1bcRAtXZAJ9PBhNMH1dn/CEhnLy28ThmbslMYQCfQmPp IHf7ZD6XW3skHwISJCPrcX0= =lzF1 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: West Coast Fiber Cut?
Apparently there's a Qwest cut around Washington, no eta yet. John On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 12:29:28PM -0700, Rick Kunkel wrote: Anyone know much about this major west coast fiber between Los Angeles and Washington that was supposed cut this morning? Our network is having gnarly problems through one of our providers and lesser ones through the other. Investigation went on for about 2 hours, whereupon i finally received an email from InterNAP talking about the problems starting at 9:45AM PDT, and being rooted in this fiber cut. My other provider has since told me that it was a Qwest fiber, and that most major transit providers were using it. Anyone heard anything else about this? Thanks, Rick Kunkel
Re: West Coast Fiber Cut?
as reported on outages mailing list. you will find the specifics as you catch up on your nanog reading giggle randy
Re: West Coast Fiber Cut?
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Randy Bush wrote: as reported on outages mailing list. you will find the specifics as you catch up on your nanog reading giggle Maybe the point was that it's not being effective already?
Re: Outages mailing list
- Original Message Follows - From: virendra rode // [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ideally (if I have better luck) I would like to get providers to direct outage notices to this list. All that That's not going to happen. Providers don't want that stuff public. Makes 'em look bad... scott
Re: Outages mailing list
I thought about cutting and pasting verbatim the notification I got from InterNAP, but then noticed the The contents of this email message are confidential and proprietary blurb at the end, and thought better of it, even though they weren't to blame... Rick On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Scott Weeks wrote: - Original Message Follows - From: virendra rode // [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ideally (if I have better luck) I would like to get providers to direct outage notices to this list. All that That's not going to happen. Providers don't want that stuff public. Makes 'em look bad... scott
Re: Outages mailing list
That's another debate entirely. Last I checked, the mail I get in my inbox I consider mine and thus, I will do as I please with it. Including re-posting if I want. : Hmm.. I say forward it along! Rick Kunkel wroteth on 9/29/2006 1:45 PM: I thought about cutting and pasting verbatim the notification I got from InterNAP, but then noticed the The contents of this email message are confidential and proprietary blurb at the end, and thought better of it, even though they weren't to blame... Rick On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Scott Weeks wrote: - Original Message Follows - From: virendra rode // [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ideally (if I have better luck) I would like to get providers to direct outage notices to this list. All that That's not going to happen. Providers don't want that stuff public. Makes 'em look bad... scott
Re: Outages mailing list
Rick Kunkel wrote: I thought about cutting and pasting verbatim the notification I got from InterNAP, but then noticed the The contents of this email message are confidential and proprietary blurb at the end, and thought better of it, even though they weren't to blame... Somebody actually reads those??? NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, you are obligated to kill yourself and anyone else who may have read it. So there. My disclaimer is scarier than yours. Nyaah. You started this silly nonsense. Knock it off and I will too, ok? It's worthless from a legal standpoint, makes you look really clueless, and is a waste of CPU cycles. Nobody reads it anyway. You're not actually reading this, are you? I didn't think so. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetLojix Communications, Inc. - http://www.netlojix.com/ WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV
Re: Outages mailing list
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:24:43 -0700, Jay Hennigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Kunkel wrote: I thought about cutting and pasting verbatim the notification I got from InterNAP, but then noticed the The contents of this email message are confidential and proprietary blurb at the end, and thought better of it, even though they weren't to blame... Somebody actually reads those??? While in general I agree with your point, this case may be different -- it may be governed by the contract Rick has with InterNAP. --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
Re: Outages mailing list
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Jay Hennigan wrote: Rick Kunkel wrote: I thought about cutting and pasting verbatim the notification I got from InterNAP, but then noticed the The contents of this email message are confidential and proprietary blurb at the end, and thought better of it, even though they weren't to blame... Somebody actually reads those??? NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, you are obligated to kill yourself and anyone else who may have read it. So there. My disclaimer is scarier than yours. Nyaah. You started this silly nonsense. Knock it off and I will too, ok? It's worthless from a legal standpoint, makes you look really clueless, and is a waste of CPU cycles. Nobody reads it anyway. You're not actually reading this, are you? I didn't think so. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetLojix Communications, Inc. - http://www.netlojix.com/ WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV I generally don't pay too much attention... In this case, I hadn't even seen one. But, for whatever reason, after the email was composed, I suddenly thought maybe I should check. The last thing I wanted to be responsible was somehow violating a contract or something. Who knows, maybe it's in the blasted 9 billion page agreement that management types sign when we get service from people. In any case, InterNAP's was a far cry from the kind that you parody below. It really only was that one sentence The contents of this email message are confidential and proprietary. Nevertheless, maybe I should post it anyhow. It's not like it shows them in a bad light. On the contrary, they've been the most in-touch and seemingly truthful amongst the providers we've had. --Rick
Re: West Coast Fiber Cut?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris L. Morrow wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Randy Bush wrote: as reported on outages mailing list. you will find the specifics as you catch up on your nanog reading giggle Maybe the point was that it's not being effective already? - --- It's not perfect, and it's far from complete. Who knows, maybe we could even move the messages about what the heck is wrong with and off nanog. regards, /virendra -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFHZUnpbZvCIJx1bcRAqPvAJ9aJoj/bh9SbjqEQhH2xFoMtxYEygCgmcNG C4uNz12WxmRENJAdt8epKRY= =rbPN -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Outages mailing list
On 9/29/06, Rick Kunkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Jay Hennigan wrote: Rick Kunkel wrote: I thought about cutting and pasting verbatim the notification I got from InterNAP, but then noticed the The contents of this email message are confidential and proprietary blurb at the end, and thought better of it, even though they weren't to blame... Somebody actually reads those??? I generally don't pay too much attention... In this case, I hadn't even seen one. But, for whatever reason, after the email was composed, I suddenly thought maybe I should check. The last thing I wanted to be responsible was somehow violating a contract or something. Who knows, maybe it's in the blasted 9 billion page agreement that management types sign when we get service from people. In any case, InterNAP's was a far cry from the kind that you parody below. It really only was that one sentence The contents of this email message are confidential and proprietary. Nevertheless, maybe I should post it anyhow. It's not like it shows them in a bad light. On the contrary, they've been the most in-touch and seemingly truthful amongst the providers we've had. --Rick It wouldn't be the first time INAP's e-mails have been posted. But really it doesn't say anymore than what's already been said on this list thus far. Fiber cut, some routing horkage on the West Coast with gblx and maybe some other providers, people working on it, no ETR, yadda, yadda, yadda. --chip -- Just my $.02, your mileage may vary, batteries not included, etc
Re: Outages mailing list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Weeks wrote: - Original Message Follows - From: virendra rode // [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ideally (if I have better luck) I would like to get providers to direct outage notices to this list. All that That's not going to happen. Providers don't want that stuff public. Makes 'em look bad... scott - -- I'm sure they love FCC for that :-) ...you may I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one :-) regards, /virendra -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFHaOhpbZvCIJx1bcRAunPAJ9b+ZGZ9lP7YE3oXzxhGEN1dGavlACeNL6w +6Q44JIDv6NmRN04A0MTphA= =zSml -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Outages mailing list
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, chip wrote: On 9/29/06, Rick Kunkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Jay Hennigan wrote: Rick Kunkel wrote: I thought about cutting and pasting verbatim the notification I got from InterNAP, but then noticed the The contents of this email message are confidential and proprietary blurb at the end, and thought better of it, even though they weren't to blame... Somebody actually reads those??? I generally don't pay too much attention... In this case, I hadn't even seen one. But, for whatever reason, after the email was composed, I suddenly thought maybe I should check. The last thing I wanted to be responsible was somehow violating a contract or something. Who knows, maybe it's in the blasted 9 billion page agreement that management types sign when we get service from people. In any case, InterNAP's was a far cry from the kind that you parody below. It really only was that one sentence The contents of this email message are confidential and proprietary. Nevertheless, maybe I should post it anyhow. It's not like it shows them in a bad light. On the contrary, they've been the most in-touch and seemingly truthful amongst the providers we've had. --Rick It wouldn't be the first time INAP's e-mails have been posted. But really it doesn't say anymore than what's already been said on this list thus far. Fiber cut, some routing horkage on the West Coast with gblx and maybe some other providers, people working on it, no ETR, yadda, yadda, yadda. --chip -- Just my $.02, your mileage may vary, batteries not included, etc Actually, an InterNAP Support Engineer on this list just said it was fine to quote the notification since it was a widescale issue. But, as Chip says, it's kind of old news at this point. If people want to see it though, I can post. (Actually, there were two.) Thanks, Rick sigless
Re: Outages mailing list
- Original Message Follows - From: virendra rode // [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scott Weeks wrote: - Original Message Follows - From: virendra rode // [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ideally (if I have better luck) I would like to get providers to direct outage notices to this list. All that That's not going to happen. Providers don't want that stuff public. Makes 'em look bad... I'm sure they love FCC for that :-) It depends on what type of providers you're talking about. Even with ILECs, there're regulated (FCC reportable) and unregulated (not required to report to the FCC) services. You'll never get providers to say to your list, Yep, we had problems. Here's the list of them. It'll never happen. ..you may I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one :-) Maybe if I had a beer I'd be a dreamer and that'd make sense... scott
Re: Outages mailing list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Weeks wrote: - Original Message Follows - From: virendra rode // [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scott Weeks wrote: - Original Message Follows - From: virendra rode // [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ideally (if I have better luck) I would like to get providers to direct outage notices to this list. All that That's not going to happen. Providers don't want that stuff public. Makes 'em look bad... I'm sure they love FCC for that :-) It depends on what type of providers you're talking about. Even with ILECs, there're regulated (FCC reportable) and unregulated (not required to report to the FCC) services. You'll never get providers to say to your list, Yep, we had problems. Here's the list of them. It'll never happen. - true enough. ..you may I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one :-) Maybe if I had a beer I'd be a dreamer and that'd make sense... scott - now you're making sense :-) regards, /virendra -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFHchppbZvCIJx1bcRAm04AJ94AP58LJGq/myNgdmA7IGiYCmjwwCfccXJ Jse7pm0J8BH+gQeF4hXfNUQ= =Hwit -END PGP SIGNATURE-
