Re: I farted
Cavalry charges against tanks. Is this a legend or real? Anyway, one of the most iconic and defeating acts of bravery is the sinking of the interned imperial fleet at Scapa Flow. The first ship that sunk was SMS Friedrich der Große, named after another ruler (whose brother build memorials for disgraced generals and neither became King of Wallachia nor King/President of the United States) with an ability to turn military disasters into alleged glory. The methodology of sinking ships was later perfected by Hans Langsdorff who flooded the ship under his command, the Graf Spee, and committed suicide. An act his crew was quite thankful for because as a result they were among the few navy crews that survived WWII. Concerning the Golden Toilet stunt, let me raise the point that salty humor can't become an exclusive domain of strongmen to demonstrate their power. Old school conservatism always had the nice mix of puritanism and dirty jokes. What observers failed to recognize is how - say - his very breaches of conduct made Berlusconi popular and humanized him. Same for Trump. It's like Commedia Dell'arte. Isn't it funny that Trump is the first US President who tried to bark back vs. North Korea in their own style of sabber-rattling. I think this was psychologically the appropriate method superior to conventional diplomacy. Does the Guggenheim need to become slackless? Why not! The difference is consciousness. In the case of North Korean propaganda, when they criticize Trump as a maniac, that implies that they have to become more reasonable in their self-conception. In the case of the Guggenheim they are not vulnerable as the art snobs anymore when they make these cheap shots. It is also never wrong to be playful. Your assumption is that the Guggenheims need to be the reasonable professionals and that certain conduct would harm an art institution and the art scene at large. Here we are with all the preconceptions and the paradox to have a President that defeated conventional wisdom and an art community that wants to restore conventions. Pointless actions matter. -- A On 01.02.2018 11:53, Felix Stalder wrote: > This analogy is wrong. > > The better one might be the Polish cavalry charging against German tanks > in September 1939. Impeccable in style, even scoring a micro-victory, > but no match to the forces just unleashed. > > Felix # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: I farted
Referring to events 30-40 years ago as reliable determinant of today's consequences is ... not reliable. It's unlikely to repeat, even as a farce. What bothers me is something else - that stooping to scatological level by an (nominally) elite art manager was generally cause for celebration in the left echo chamber. From 'cute' to 'we showed them'. This means that not only the 'it was Russia' cult got unglued from (this) reality, but they took with them almost everyone else that ever associated with them (thanks to the thorough cooptation Democrats performed in the last few decades), onto the journey where the only rule is Kool Aid. This is not limited to salaried east coast intelligentsia - a speaker at elite crypto conference had to be stopped when referred to POTUS in derogatory terms. It's almost fucking everyone who ever voted for Democrats in the past few decades, and their brother. Maybe it's due to my lack of graduate humanities education, but I don't see anything remotely cute in this act. Offering POTUS a toilet bowl instead of requested painting should not even be a matter of discussion. It should be something that's just NOT DONE. Not because someone likes or hates POTUS (both of which are serious signs of terminal de-politicization), but because with this you abdicate the only argument and the only platform you have. Once to start to oink you will be treated as a swine. This is the real tragedy of the american left: they cannot break shackles Democrats installed on them, at this point completely internalized. How long before they drink the Kool Aid, so the history can move on? It's stuck. I would gain some small (and somewhat smug) comfort in knowing that the methane molecules that were once in my colon are now in the nose of his royal P... Ted is absolutely correct on the level of hostility that was directed at the entire cultural community following the Robert Mapplethorpe incident (a touring show that landed at the National Portrait Gallery in DC) -- where the ruling right-wing pederasts were apoplectic (after being secretly titillated by the horse-whip-stuffed-up-the-arse image)... # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: I farted
On 31/Jan/18 16:02, Morlock Elloi wrote: The narrative boils down to: POTUS invited me for a breakfast, and I farted during the breakfast. Gimme high-fives! We are The Resistance! I would gain some small (and somewhat smug) comfort in knowing that the methane molecules that were once in my colon are now in the nose of his royal P... Ted is absolutely correct on the level of hostility that was directed at the entire cultural community following the Robert Mapplethorpe incident (a touring show that landed at the National Portrait Gallery in DC) -- where the ruling right-wing pederasts were apoplectic (after being secretly titillated by the horse-whip-stuffed-up-the-arse image)... Somewhere I have a video tape of an enraged Alan Sekula https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Sekula giving an absolutely stunning two-hour critique of the political/economic system that, in the Amurikan context of the moment of the late 80s, was contorting itself over this 'profanity' -- (first and foremost, the toxic racist Senator Jesse Helms) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Sekula There is plenty of hatred of everything 'Other' still available in the vaults of white Amurika... JH -- ++ Dr. John Hopkins, BSc, MFA, PhD hanging on to the Laramide Orogeny twitter: @neoscenes http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/ ++ # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: I farted
On 2018-02-01 11:53, Felix Stalder wrote: This analogy is wrong. Trafalgar not Krojanty. Charge at Krojanty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_at_Krojanty .DE vs. .PL killed: 11 vs. 19 - 25 wounded: 9 vs. 40 - 50 Battle of Trafalgar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Trafalgar .FR&.ES vs. UK casualties & losses: 13.781 vs. 1.666 ships lost: 22 vs. 0 Same up shit creek without a paddle situation is currently unfolding in Austria. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: I farted
Spector's gesture may have seemed 'well played' to a few people on on a few social networks for few days, but beyond that its impact can only be neagtive. During a lull in high-pressure federal budget negotiations, a posh museum curator insults a famously thin-skinned president who (a) has a penchant for crushing his enemies and (b) rules by pouring gasoline on smoldering culture-war issues — what could possibly go wrong? We learned what can go wrong in the '80s and '90s, when 'art' was hijacked by a handful of attention-seeking pottymouths. But the main result wasn't to establish that the work of Karen Finley or Andres Serrano is brilliant or enduring. Maybe it is, I don't really care. But we do know that arts programs of every kind across the US suffered savage budget cuts — and reactionaries gained a whole new range of weapons to pursue their agenda. But isn't it a bit odd that we'd be debating it in these terms on nettime now? The list's roots lie, in part, in the recognition that huge swaths of contemporary art had collapsed into irrelevance — part theory, part commodity, part ritual, part soap opera. Morlock suggests this is a 'perfect illustration of the dismal state of what once was the progressive left (20 years ago?)' — but 20 years go we were saying 20 years before, ad nauseam. Think for a moment about the range of freedoms Spector had, the resources she could have drawn on, to create some interesting or challenging situation — *exactly* the origins of this list. Instead, she decides to relive the golden moments from her youth. Cheers, Ted On 1 Feb 2018, at 12:03, Keith Sanborn wrote: I give the Guggenheim some credit, though the Cattelano is a cynical piece of crap anyway. The ironies there are instructive. Where is a more fitting home for it than in the bathroom of a racist who is obsessed with gold? And if both analogies are correct, then farting in the Fueher’s face is not an opportunity to be missed. It’s on his level. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: I farted
I give the Guggenheim some credit, though the Cattelano is a cynical piece of crap anyway. The ironies there are instructive. Where is a more fitting home for it than in the bathroom of a racist who is obsessed with gold? And if both analogies are correct, then farting in the Fueher’s face is not an opportunity to be missed. It’s on his level. Keith > On Feb 1, 2018, at 5:53 AM, Felix Stalder wrote: > > This analogy is wrong. > > The better one might be the Polish cavalry charging against German tanks > in September 1939. Impeccable in style, even scoring a micro-victory, > but no match to the forces just unleashed. > > Felix > > > > On 2018-02-01 00:02, Morlock Elloi wrote: >>> From: Nancy specter >>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:18 AM >>> To: Smithi Donna A.-- -- >>> Subject: Request for a loan from the Guggenhelm >>> >>> >>> Dear Donna Hayashi Smith, >>> >>> Many thanks for your request to the Guggenheim Museum to borrow Vincent >> >> The narrative boils down to: POTUS invited me for a breakfast, and I >> farted during the breakfast. Gimme high-fives! We are The Resistance! >> >> Which makes it the perfect illustration of the dismal state of what once >> was the progressive left (20 years ago?) These days they are proud of >> farting. A sublime symbolic act ... the Art of Fart! >> >> >> >> # distributed via : no commercial use without permission >> #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >> # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org >> # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: >> > > -- > > | http://felix.openflows.com > |OPEN PGP: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=0x0C9FF2AC > > # distributed via : no commercial use without permission > #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: I farted
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Felix Stalder wrote: > This analogy is wrong. > > The better one might be the Polish cavalry charging against German tanks > in September 1939. Impeccable in style, even scoring a micro-victory, > but no match to the forces just unleashed. Morlock came closer than horses against Panzers. At least the Polish cavalry were bravely defending their country, however ineptly. This lady is like a courtier who uses the manners of her class to disguise that it was she who farted during the king's speech. It was a sly put down for the benefit of cultural insiders and was never intended to achieve anything politically. In that she probably succeeded. Keith > > > # distributed via : no commercial use without permission > #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: > # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: I farted
This analogy is wrong. The better one might be the Polish cavalry charging against German tanks in September 1939. Impeccable in style, even scoring a micro-victory, but no match to the forces just unleashed. Felix On 2018-02-01 00:02, Morlock Elloi wrote: >> From: Nancy specter >> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:18 AM >> To: Smithi Donna A.-- -- >> Subject: Request for a loan from the Guggenhelm >> >> >> Dear Donna Hayashi Smith, >> >> Many thanks for your request to the Guggenheim Museum to borrow Vincent > > The narrative boils down to: POTUS invited me for a breakfast, and I > farted during the breakfast. Gimme high-fives! We are The Resistance! > > Which makes it the perfect illustration of the dismal state of what once > was the progressive left (20 years ago?) These days they are proud of > farting. A sublime symbolic act ... the Art of Fart! > > > > # distributed via : no commercial use without permission > # is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: > -- | http://felix.openflows.com |OPEN PGP: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=0x0C9FF2AC signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
I farted
From: Nancy specter Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:18 AM To: Smithi Donna A.-- -- Subject: Request for a loan from the Guggenhelm Dear Donna Hayashi Smith, Many thanks for your request to the Guggenheim Museum to borrow Vincent The narrative boils down to: POTUS invited me for a breakfast, and I farted during the breakfast. Gimme high-fives! We are The Resistance! Which makes it the perfect illustration of the dismal state of what once was the progressive left (20 years ago?) These days they are proud of farting. A sublime symbolic act ... the Art of Fart! # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
