Re: NM 0.6.4 DBus Spec
On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 17:54 -0600, Pat Sissons wrote: > On 9/13/07, Dan Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 08:16 -0400, Jacob wrote: > > > On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:51:27 -0600 > > > "Pat Sissons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > I'm currently writing a Ruby NM wrapper library that operates over the > > > > DBus. The trouble is that I don't really have any concrete spec to > > > > build it with. I have been using > > > > http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager/NetworkManager%20DBUS%20API.txt > > > > and > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/networkmanager-list/2006-October/msg00233.html > > > > along with dbus-send and dbus-monitor for debugging and testing. > > > > Although I have done quite a bit with these resources, I'm positive > > > > that a lot of the functionality is left to be implemented simply > > > > because I'm not aware of its existence, the signals being a prime > > > > example. I have managed to extract a fair number of the NM interface > > > > signals from the NM source, but I know there is much much more. I > > > > have found absolutely no documentation on the NMI interface. > > > > > > > > Anyways, if anyone knows of or can produce a clean spec for 0.6.4 (and > > > > any future versions that don't include introspection) that would be > > > > great, if not, any pointers on a more efficient way of deciphering the > > > > spec would be great too. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > Forgive me if I'm wrong, but from what I've heard just browsing this > > > list, NetworkManager's documentation is lacking everywhere, or is very > > > difficult to find. If there is no real documentation, a Wiki of some kind > > > could be set up for NM, so that knowledge could be added as it is > > > mentioned here in this list. > > > > Yeah, sorry :( The current dbus interface is pretty ad-hoc and hasn't > > changed much in 2 years. It won't necessarily be easy to pull out the > > details (especially for activation of a device with wireless security), > > but I'm happy to help where I can. I've done nm clients in both C and > > python. > > > > 0.7 bits are much better thought out and correctly use interfaces and > > objects in a much more understandable manner. That also means it will > > be a lot simpler to extract the D-Bus interface details and put them > > into documentation formats. > > > > dan > > > > > > > Then again, I'm always screaming "Wiki fixes that!"... :) > > > > > > ___ > > > NetworkManager-list mailing list > > > NetworkManager-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list > > > > ___ > > NetworkManager-list mailing list > > NetworkManager-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list > > > > Yea i was browsing the source today trying to fill in as many details > as I could. I came across the createWirelessNetwork and saw that it > uses a variable number of arguments that are detailed further in > libnm-util/dbus-helpers.c I will leave that part of the development Right, this is a great example of bad D-Bus API. Dicts are the right way to go here (like 0.7 does). The security stuff was also pretty badly designed (I'll admit that readily) as it became clear later on that when it comes to Enterprise variants of WPA (and Dynamic WEP) that it's essentially an a la carte menu of options from which you can pick and choose, and the 0.6.5 wireless security API tries to impose some invalid constraints on that. > to the end since that will take a little more effort. I think I have > a handle on the NMI interface as well, i'll likely work on that > tomorrow. > > The 0.7 svn source includes the introspect xml files, so > theoretically, i shouldn't have to worry about the specs anymore than > reading those files. And in the case of ruby-dbus, introspection is Right. NM lagged a bit with introspection support, mainly because the variable-argument API bits are of course incompatible with introspection. > built in so the methods will be created automagically for me. I will > look forward to its release, however, i noticed that gutsy (i'm an > ubuntu boy) is only using 0.6.5. So it looks like a little wait yet > before 0.7 is mainstream. > > Also, I'm really looking forward to a wiki if someone can > provide/create one. I have a fair amount of documentation that many > might find useful. And this would also allow corrections to my > assumptions that may have been wrong (i know there must be some). At least the 0.6.x stuff is supposed to be API-stable, so it's not going to change much at all during the 0.6.x lifetime. 0.7 is still somewhat in flux WRT to the D-Bus API. Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: NM 0.6.4 DBus Spec
I myself have documented createWirelessNetwork's parameters for a project I've been working on. A Wiki would be splendid, and I'd be very happy to contribute documentation. On 9/14/07, Jacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:17:05 -0400 > Dan Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > but I'm happy to help where I can. > > So where does it begin? That's the question! :) > Whoever hosts the NetworkManager site could start a Wiki. > > -- > Jacob > > "For then there will be great distress, unequaled > from the beginning of the world until now—and never > to be equaled again. If those days had not been cut > short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the > elect those days will be shortened." > > Are you ready? > > ___ > NetworkManager-list mailing list > NetworkManager-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list > > > -- Man is the only animal that laughs and weeps, for he is the only animal that is struck with the difference between what things are and what they ought to be. - William Hazlitt Ohad Lutzky ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: NM 0.6.4 DBus Spec
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:17:05 -0400 Dan Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > but I'm happy to help where I can. So where does it begin? That's the question! :) Whoever hosts the NetworkManager site could start a Wiki. -- Jacob "For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened." Are you ready? signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: NM 0.6.4 DBus Spec
On 9/13/07, Dan Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 08:16 -0400, Jacob wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:51:27 -0600 > > "Pat Sissons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I'm currently writing a Ruby NM wrapper library that operates over the > > > DBus. The trouble is that I don't really have any concrete spec to > > > build it with. I have been using > > > http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager/NetworkManager%20DBUS%20API.txt > > > and > > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/networkmanager-list/2006-October/msg00233.html > > > along with dbus-send and dbus-monitor for debugging and testing. > > > Although I have done quite a bit with these resources, I'm positive > > > that a lot of the functionality is left to be implemented simply > > > because I'm not aware of its existence, the signals being a prime > > > example. I have managed to extract a fair number of the NM interface > > > signals from the NM source, but I know there is much much more. I > > > have found absolutely no documentation on the NMI interface. > > > > > > Anyways, if anyone knows of or can produce a clean spec for 0.6.4 (and > > > any future versions that don't include introspection) that would be > > > great, if not, any pointers on a more efficient way of deciphering the > > > spec would be great too. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > Forgive me if I'm wrong, but from what I've heard just browsing this list, > > NetworkManager's documentation is lacking everywhere, or is very difficult > > to find. If there is no real documentation, a Wiki of some kind could be > > set up for NM, so that knowledge could be added as it is mentioned here in > > this list. > > Yeah, sorry :( The current dbus interface is pretty ad-hoc and hasn't > changed much in 2 years. It won't necessarily be easy to pull out the > details (especially for activation of a device with wireless security), > but I'm happy to help where I can. I've done nm clients in both C and > python. > > 0.7 bits are much better thought out and correctly use interfaces and > objects in a much more understandable manner. That also means it will > be a lot simpler to extract the D-Bus interface details and put them > into documentation formats. > > dan > > > > Then again, I'm always screaming "Wiki fixes that!"... :) > > > > ___ > > NetworkManager-list mailing list > > NetworkManager-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list > > ___ > NetworkManager-list mailing list > NetworkManager-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list > Yea i was browsing the source today trying to fill in as many details as I could. I came across the createWirelessNetwork and saw that it uses a variable number of arguments that are detailed further in libnm-util/dbus-helpers.c I will leave that part of the development to the end since that will take a little more effort. I think I have a handle on the NMI interface as well, i'll likely work on that tomorrow. The 0.7 svn source includes the introspect xml files, so theoretically, i shouldn't have to worry about the specs anymore than reading those files. And in the case of ruby-dbus, introspection is built in so the methods will be created automagically for me. I will look forward to its release, however, i noticed that gutsy (i'm an ubuntu boy) is only using 0.6.5. So it looks like a little wait yet before 0.7 is mainstream. Also, I'm really looking forward to a wiki if someone can provide/create one. I have a fair amount of documentation that many might find useful. And this would also allow corrections to my assumptions that may have been wrong (i know there must be some). -- Pat ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: NM 0.6.4 DBus Spec
On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 08:16 -0400, Jacob wrote: > On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:51:27 -0600 > "Pat Sissons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm currently writing a Ruby NM wrapper library that operates over the > > DBus. The trouble is that I don't really have any concrete spec to > > build it with. I have been using > > http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager/NetworkManager%20DBUS%20API.txt > > and > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/networkmanager-list/2006-October/msg00233.html > > along with dbus-send and dbus-monitor for debugging and testing. > > Although I have done quite a bit with these resources, I'm positive > > that a lot of the functionality is left to be implemented simply > > because I'm not aware of its existence, the signals being a prime > > example. I have managed to extract a fair number of the NM interface > > signals from the NM source, but I know there is much much more. I > > have found absolutely no documentation on the NMI interface. > > > > Anyways, if anyone knows of or can produce a clean spec for 0.6.4 (and > > any future versions that don't include introspection) that would be > > great, if not, any pointers on a more efficient way of deciphering the > > spec would be great too. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Forgive me if I'm wrong, but from what I've heard just browsing this list, > NetworkManager's documentation is lacking everywhere, or is very difficult to > find. If there is no real documentation, a Wiki of some kind could be set up > for NM, so that knowledge could be added as it is mentioned here in this list. Yeah, sorry :( The current dbus interface is pretty ad-hoc and hasn't changed much in 2 years. It won't necessarily be easy to pull out the details (especially for activation of a device with wireless security), but I'm happy to help where I can. I've done nm clients in both C and python. 0.7 bits are much better thought out and correctly use interfaces and objects in a much more understandable manner. That also means it will be a lot simpler to extract the D-Bus interface details and put them into documentation formats. dan > Then again, I'm always screaming "Wiki fixes that!"... :) > > ___ > NetworkManager-list mailing list > NetworkManager-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: NM 0.6.4 DBus Spec
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:51:27 -0600 "Pat Sissons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm currently writing a Ruby NM wrapper library that operates over the > DBus. The trouble is that I don't really have any concrete spec to > build it with. I have been using > http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager/NetworkManager%20DBUS%20API.txt > and > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/networkmanager-list/2006-October/msg00233.html > along with dbus-send and dbus-monitor for debugging and testing. > Although I have done quite a bit with these resources, I'm positive > that a lot of the functionality is left to be implemented simply > because I'm not aware of its existence, the signals being a prime > example. I have managed to extract a fair number of the NM interface > signals from the NM source, but I know there is much much more. I > have found absolutely no documentation on the NMI interface. > > Anyways, if anyone knows of or can produce a clean spec for 0.6.4 (and > any future versions that don't include introspection) that would be > great, if not, any pointers on a more efficient way of deciphering the > spec would be great too. > > Thanks. > Forgive me if I'm wrong, but from what I've heard just browsing this list, NetworkManager's documentation is lacking everywhere, or is very difficult to find. If there is no real documentation, a Wiki of some kind could be set up for NM, so that knowledge could be added as it is mentioned here in this list. Then again, I'm always screaming "Wiki fixes that!"... :) -- Jacob "For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened." Are you ready? signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
NM 0.6.4 DBus Spec
I'm currently writing a Ruby NM wrapper library that operates over the DBus. The trouble is that I don't really have any concrete spec to build it with. I have been using http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager/NetworkManager%20DBUS%20API.txt and http://mail.gnome.org/archives/networkmanager-list/2006-October/msg00233.html along with dbus-send and dbus-monitor for debugging and testing. Although I have done quite a bit with these resources, I'm positive that a lot of the functionality is left to be implemented simply because I'm not aware of its existence, the signals being a prime example. I have managed to extract a fair number of the NM interface signals from the NM source, but I know there is much much more. I have found absolutely no documentation on the NMI interface. Anyways, if anyone knows of or can produce a clean spec for 0.6.4 (and any future versions that don't include introspection) that would be great, if not, any pointers on a more efficient way of deciphering the spec would be great too. Thanks. -- Pat ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
