[nlug] suggestion for a Nobel Prace Prize for Linus Torvalds

2009-11-21 Thread Russ Crawford
I can get behind this.

http://www.ridenbaugh.com/index.php/2009/11/18/a-northwest-nobel-option/

Linus would be an excellent addition to this list:

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/index.html

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Re: [nlug] suggestion for a Nobel Prace Prize for Linus Torvalds

2009-11-21 Thread Ken Barber
I think Linus would be a far more appropriate recipient than some of the 
murderers, thieves and jackals that have recently polluted the good name of the 
prize.

But frankly, I wouldn't want his reputation tainted by including him in that 
group.

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[nlug] Processor question

2009-11-21 Thread Andrew Farnsworth
Pentium-D vs Core2
Pentium-D vs AMD Athlon/Phenom

Opinions? Differences?

I'm looking at building a cheap system to use as a workstation / server and
have found a cheap Pentium-D dual core system and was wondering how it would
compare to a Core2Duo or an AMD Phenom (or Phenom II).  Any opinions and or
links would be appreciated.  I might use if for some casual gaming but
nothing intense.  I want to run VMs on the system which I will be using for
learning and development, no serious full time services.

Andy

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Re: [nlug] suggestion for a Nobel Prace Prize for Linus Torvalds

2009-11-21 Thread Howard Coles
Finally someone who would deserve it, and it started with the Guy who
invented the internet!   Well, OK so that last part ain't true, beheld.

See ya'
Howard Coles Jr.
John 3:16!

Choose Life!

On Nov 21, 2009 3:31 AM, "Russ Crawford"  wrote:

I can get behind this.

http://www.ridenbaugh.com/index.php/2009/11/18/a-northwest-nobel-option/

Linus would be an excellent addition to this list:

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/index.html

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Re: [nlug] Processor question

2009-11-21 Thread Chris McQuistion
The Pentium D's and some of the really low end Core 2's do not have hardware
virtualization on the chip.  Intel calls this Intel VT, AMD calls it AMD-V.
 There are some programs that do software (para) virtualization and don't
require this built into the CPU, but most virtualization software requires
it and it makes a noticeable performance difference.

All recent AMD chips have this built in, only Core 2 Duo and above have it
on the Intel side.  If you're considering virtualization now or sometime in
the future, make sure you get the CPU that can handle it.

Chris


On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Andrew Farnsworth wrote:

> Pentium-D vs Core2
> Pentium-D vs AMD Athlon/Phenom
>
> Opinions? Differences?
>
> I'm looking at building a cheap system to use as a workstation / server and
> have found a cheap Pentium-D dual core system and was wondering how it would
> compare to a Core2Duo or an AMD Phenom (or Phenom II).  Any opinions and or
> links would be appreciated.  I might use if for some casual gaming but
> nothing intense.  I want to run VMs on the system which I will be using for
> learning and development, no serious full time services.
>
> Andy
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Re: [nlug] Processor question

2009-11-21 Thread Andrew Farnsworth
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Chris McQuistion
wrote:

> The Pentium D's and some of the really low end Core 2's do not have
> hardware virtualization on the chip.  Intel calls this Intel VT, AMD calls
> it AMD-V.  There are some programs that do software (para) virtualization
> and don't require this built into the CPU, but most virtualization software
> requires it and it makes a noticeable performance difference.
>
> All recent AMD chips have this built in, only Core 2 Duo and above have it
> on the Intel side.  If you're considering virtualization now or sometime in
> the future, make sure you get the CPU that can handle it.
>
> Chris
>

The E6300 which I am considering does include it according to Intel's fact
page.

Thanks for the advice though.

Andy

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Re: [nlug] suggestion for a Nobel Prace Prize for Linus Torvalds

2009-11-21 Thread David R. Wilson
That looks like a great idea to me.

Dave

On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 03:29 -0600, Russ Crawford wrote:
> I can get behind this.
> 
> http://www.ridenbaugh.com/index.php/2009/11/18/a-northwest-nobel-option/
> 
> Linus would be an excellent addition to this list:
> 
> http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/index.html
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Re: [nlug] suggestion for a Nobel Prace Prize for Linus Torvalds

2009-11-21 Thread andrew mcelroy
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:31 AM, David R. Wilson  wrote:
> That looks like a great idea to me.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 03:29 -0600, Russ Crawford wrote:
>> I can get behind this.
>>
>> http://www.ridenbaugh.com/index.php/2009/11/18/a-northwest-nobel-option/
>>
>> Linus would be an excellent addition to this list:

O come on! Torvalds?

If anything it needs to be split between RMS and Torvalds.

Without the legal framework that RMS and friends came up with
Linux could have remained proprietary or even BSD licensed, which would
essentially lead to OSX.

>From wikipedia:
http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel

"In the start, Torvalds released Linux under a license which did not
allow anyone to sell it. This was soon changed to the GNU General
Public License (GPL), during version 0.12. This license allows
distribution and sale of modified and unmodified versions of Linux but
requires that all those copies be released under the same license and
be accompanied by the complete corresponding source code."


Andrew


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Re: [nlug] suggestion for a Nobel Prace Prize for Linus Torvalds

2009-11-21 Thread David R. Wilson
If we award it to Linus and then next year RMS we have two years without
a politician winning the award.  If nothing else it would help to
improve the image of the award.

Dave


On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 10:03 -0600, andrew mcelroy wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:31 AM, David R. Wilson  wrote:
> > That looks like a great idea to me.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 03:29 -0600, Russ Crawford wrote:
> >> I can get behind this.
> >>
> >> http://www.ridenbaugh.com/index.php/2009/11/18/a-northwest-nobel-option/
> >>
> >> Linus would be an excellent addition to this list:
> 
> O come on! Torvalds?
> 
> If anything it needs to be split between RMS and Torvalds.
> 
> Without the legal framework that RMS and friends came up with
> Linux could have remained proprietary or even BSD licensed, which would
> essentially lead to OSX.
> 
> >From wikipedia:
> http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel
> 
> "In the start, Torvalds released Linux under a license which did not
> allow anyone to sell it. This was soon changed to the GNU General
> Public License (GPL), during version 0.12. This license allows
> distribution and sale of modified and unmodified versions of Linux but
> requires that all those copies be released under the same license and
> be accompanied by the complete corresponding source code."
> 
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 
> >>
> >> http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/index.html
> >>
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Re: [nlug] suggestion for a Nobel Prace Prize for Linus Torvalds

2009-11-21 Thread andrew mcelroy
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:16 AM, David R. Wilson  wrote:
> If we award it to Linus and then next year RMS we have two years without
> a politician winning the award.  If nothing else it would help to
> improve the image of the award.
>

Why not give in the ACM Turing award?
He seems better qualified for anyway.

http://awards.acm.org/homepage.cfm?awd=140

Andrew

> Dave
>
>
> On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 10:03 -0600, andrew mcelroy wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:31 AM, David R. Wilson  wrote:
>> > That looks like a great idea to me.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 03:29 -0600, Russ Crawford wrote:
>> >> I can get behind this.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.ridenbaugh.com/index.php/2009/11/18/a-northwest-nobel-option/
>> >>
>> >> Linus would be an excellent addition to this list:
>>
>> O come on! Torvalds?
>>
>> If anything it needs to be split between RMS and Torvalds.
>>
>> Without the legal framework that RMS and friends came up with
>> Linux could have remained proprietary or even BSD licensed, which would
>> essentially lead to OSX.
>>
>> >From wikipedia:
>> http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel
>>
>> "In the start, Torvalds released Linux under a license which did not
>> allow anyone to sell it. This was soon changed to the GNU General
>> Public License (GPL), during version 0.12. This license allows
>> distribution and sale of modified and unmodified versions of Linux but
>> requires that all those copies be released under the same license and
>> be accompanied by the complete corresponding source code."
>>
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> >>
>> >> http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/index.html
>> >>
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Re: [nlug] Processor question

2009-11-21 Thread Sabuj Pattanayek
> The E6300 which I am considering does include it according to Intel's fact
> page.

You're talking about the 2.8GHz E6300 Pentium D right? How much are
you paying for the complete system?

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Re: [nlug] Processor question

2009-11-21 Thread ./aal
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Andrew Farnsworth  wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Chris McQuistion 
> wrote:
>>
>> The Pentium D's and some of the really low end Core 2's do not have
>> hardware virtualization on the chip.  Intel calls this Intel VT, AMD calls
>> it AMD-V.  There are some programs that do software (para) virtualization
>> and don't require this built into the CPU, but most virtualization software
>> requires it and it makes a noticeable performance difference.
>> All recent AMD chips have this built in, only Core 2 Duo and above have it
>> on the Intel side.  If you're considering virtualization now or sometime in
>> the future, make sure you get the CPU that can handle it.
>> Chris
>
> The E6300 which I am considering does include it according to Intel's fact
> page.
>
> Thanks for the advice though.
>
> Andy
>

make sure the chipset/mb will enable the cpu features you want
the cpu having the flag does not mean it will do the function if the
chipset doesnt

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Re: [nlug] Re: Google Voice Invites

2009-11-21 Thread Richard Thomas
Mark J. Bailey wrote:
>
> I have Google Voice already (just signed up) and wanted to send a GV 
> invite to my cousin.  I am WANTING to get on Google Wave so I need an 
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Are they even doing invites any more? I requested directly and got the 
account within a day or two.

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Re: [nlug] Re: Google Voice Invites

2009-11-21 Thread Richard Thomas
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Are they even doing invites any more? I requested directly and got the 
account within a day or two.

Uh, Google Voice that is.

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Re: [nlug] suggestion for a Nobel Prace Prize for Linus Torvalds

2009-11-21 Thread Don Delp
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:32 AM, andrew mcelroy  wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:16 AM, David R. Wilson  wrote:
>> If we award it to Linus and then next year RMS we have two years without
>> a politician winning the award.  If nothing else it would help to
>> improve the image of the award.
>>
>
> Why not give in the ACM Turing award?
> He seems better qualified for anyway.
>
> http://awards.acm.org/homepage.cfm?awd=140
>
> Andrew
>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 10:03 -0600, andrew mcelroy wrote:
>>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:31 AM, David R. Wilson  wrote:
>>> > That looks like a great idea to me.
>>> >
>>> > Dave
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 03:29 -0600, Russ Crawford wrote:
>>> >> I can get behind this.
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.ridenbaugh.com/index.php/2009/11/18/a-northwest-nobel-option/
>>> >>
>>> >> Linus would be an excellent addition to this list:
>>>
>>> O come on! Torvalds?
>>>
>>> If anything it needs to be split between RMS and Torvalds.
>>>
>>> Without the legal framework that RMS and friends came up with
>>> Linux could have remained proprietary or even BSD licensed, which would
>>> essentially lead to OSX.
>>>
>>> >From wikipedia:
>>> http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel
>>>
>>> "In the start, Torvalds released Linux under a license which did not
>>> allow anyone to sell it. This was soon changed to the GNU General
>>> Public License (GPL), during version 0.12. This license allows
>>> distribution and sale of modified and unmodified versions of Linux but
>>> requires that all those copies be released under the same license and
>>> be accompanied by the complete corresponding source code."
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> >>
>>> >> http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/index.html
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Re: [nlug] Processor question

2009-11-21 Thread Andrew Farnsworth
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Sabuj Pattanayek  wrote:

> > The E6300 which I am considering does include it according to Intel's
> fact
> > page.
>
> You're talking about the 2.8GHz E6300 Pentium D right? How much are
> you paying for the complete system?
>

$300 for cpu/fan/mb/2gb RAM/Case/PSU

no HD/Keyboard/Mouse

>
>
Barebones system

Andy

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Re: [nlug] Processor question

2009-11-21 Thread Sabuj Pattanayek
>> You're talking about the 2.8GHz E6300 Pentium D right? How much are
>> you paying for the complete system?
>
> $300 for cpu/fan/mb/2gb RAM/Case/PSU
>
> no HD/Keyboard/Mouse

The Phenom II X2 550 BE 3.1GHz is slightly faster in most benchmarks here:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3572&p=1

cpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103680
2GB mem : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178213
mobo w/video: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138167
case+psu : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811148030

Total : $298.98 w/tax + shipping

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Re: [nlug] Processor question

2009-11-21 Thread Sabuj Pattanayek
You can get another core for $7 more:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103648

vs the E6300:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?p=84&p2=94

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Sabuj Pattanayek  wrote:
>>> You're talking about the 2.8GHz E6300 Pentium D right? How much are
>>> you paying for the complete system?
>>
>> $300 for cpu/fan/mb/2gb RAM/Case/PSU
>>
>> no HD/Keyboard/Mouse
>
> The Phenom II X2 550 BE 3.1GHz is slightly faster in most benchmarks here:
>
> http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3572&p=1
>
> cpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103680
> 2GB mem : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178213
> mobo w/video: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138167
> case+psu : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811148030
>
> Total : $298.98 w/tax + shipping
>

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Re: [nlug] suggestion for a Nobel Prace Prize for Linus Torvalds

2009-11-21 Thread Russ Crawford
andrew mcelroy wrote:
> 
> O come on! Torvalds?
> 
> If anything it needs to be split between RMS and Torvalds.
> 

I has thought about just that for my original post.

I decided to avoid inviting controversy.  Who of us (NLUG) would 
DISAPPROVE of a Nobel Prize for Linus.

Linux would not be where it is without the GPL AND Stallman's 
philosophy.  The GPL probably would not have been enough.

When RMS speaks in Nashville, you can bet that I will be there.

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Re: [nlug] suggestion for a Nobel Prace Prize for Linus Torvalds

2009-11-21 Thread John R. Dennison
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 09:50:37PM -0600, Russ Crawford wrote:
>
> I decided to avoid inviting controversy.  Who of us (NLUG) would 
> DISAPPROVE of a Nobel Prize for Linus.

I would.  I don't see him being at all deserving, sorry.

> Linux would not be where it is without the GPL AND Stallman's 
> philosophy.  The GPL probably would not have been enough.

Arguable.

> When RMS speaks in Nashville, you can bet that I will be there.

Bring air freshener.




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Re: [nlug] suggestion for a Nobel Prace Prize for Linus Torvalds

2009-11-21 Thread Bill Woody
Could I get an invitation?

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 11:21 PM, John R. Dennison  wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 09:50:37PM -0600, Russ Crawford wrote:
> >
> > I decided to avoid inviting controversy.  Who of us (NLUG) would
> > DISAPPROVE of a Nobel Prize for Linus.
>
>I would.  I don't see him being at all deserving, sorry.
>
> > Linux would not be where it is without the GPL AND Stallman's
> > philosophy.  The GPL probably would not have been enough.
>
>Arguable.
>
> > When RMS speaks in Nashville, you can bet that I will be there.
>
>Bring air freshener.
>
>
>
>
>John
>
> --
> It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be
> unable
> to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
> -- G. K. Chesterton
>

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[nlug] Re: suggestion for a Nobel Prace Prize for Linus Torvalds

2009-11-21 Thread Matt Latsha
I have a feeling that the Nobel committee would more likely elect
Richard M. Stallman

On Nov 21, 3:29 am, Russ Crawford  wrote:
> I can get behind this.
>
> http://www.ridenbaugh.com/index.php/2009/11/18/a-northwest-nobel-option/
>
> Linus would be an excellent addition to this list:
>
> http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/index.html

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