Re: [nlug] MySQL Letter to the EC
>From my latest return to mysql. here are grievances I am annoyed with. date or time types can't be manipulated with simple math like functions. example, in postgres, you can subtract two dates with the expected - and get what you expect. mysql requires you use specific functions. Column defaults have to be constants in mysql. Postgres lets you do function calls for default values. This is how postgres implements autoincrement. mysql lacks rich data types. Mysql has numeric, date/time, and strings. Postgres supports those and shorthands to similar functionality that you have to specify in mysql, like boolean being a smallint(1). Postgres goes on to offer, geometric types, network address, composite(think struct from C). Here lately we have been finding more and more ways to make the baby mysql cry when it comes to large amounts of join tables. Due to the permissions model we are using, we make calls to the permissions module to create a temp table with a list of ids for a primary table that we have a specific permission over. So, we have some queries with 20 or more temp tables we are joining with the primary table, and then we have how ever many other tables we need to join with to get the rest of the important data. When we started hitting 40+ tables on a result set of about 100 or so rows taking over a minute to run. We had to start changing the way we used the DB. So there the tool is getting in the way. Can't say for certain that Postgres would do better as we do not have the luxury of porting and running our software on a different DB. Use of specific to mysql instructions for data manipulation so as to lure developers in and make them unable to change platforms. Start with the date manip stuff and go to the continence function of reporting back found rows for use in pagination when you limited the result set. Yes I have anger over being forced to use mysql, but I figure with enough time, maybe I can show how it can be better and faster. - "Don Delp" wrote: > On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Tim Jackson > wrote: > > More reasons to use Postgres. > > > > -- > > Tim > > > > Care to list some of the other reasons? > > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 6:57 PM, John R. Dennison > wrote: > >> I normally do not forward material to this list, but this is > important > >> enough to do so. > >> > >>> I thought I post this link > >>> http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-saving-mysql.html > >>> in case anyone isn't aware of this yet and wants to email the EC. > >> > >> I urge users of MySQL to read this link and if they feel inclined > (which > >> I hope most of you would) to mail the EC by the listed deadline > >> (tomorrow). > >> > >> Oracle owning MySQL is a horrible thing to contemplate, if for no > other > >> reason than their track record with InnoDB. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> John > >> > >> -- > >> Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. > >> > >> -- Frank Zappa (1940-1993), composer, musician, film director > >> > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "NLUG" group. > > To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. -- Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] [OT] My day job doesn't use Vista
My company uses Verizon cards all the time, usually uninstalling and reinstalling VZ access fixes most issues, if they don't have the CD you can download it from vzam.net -Todd On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Don Delp wrote: > These cards tend to release firmware updates after a while that fix > some of these issues. Verizon cards that I've worked with normally > have an option to upgrade the firmware from inside the VZ Access > manager. > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Chris Faulkner wrote: >> Uninstall it the normal way, then do a registry check with ccleaner.com >> >> that should do it... >> >> On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Chris McQuistion >> wrote: >>> DLL hell isn't really much of a problem with Vista or 7. You're probably on >>> the right track with the uninstall and reinstall trail. >>> Chris >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Howard White wrote: Pardon my interruption as I impose on all of my fine Open Source friends that find themselves working with Vista against their will. Got a call from a neighbor describing how their computer lost the plot with their Verizon Wireless mobile broadband. I grant you that at this moment I have not seen the offending system and am working with paraphrased error messages from my neighbor. I have seen earlier versions of Windows get .dll files wadded up in its shorts. Anybody seen the same kind of thing with Vista? Un-install the mobile broadband stuff and re-install kinda drill? I go see the patient tomorrow 1530. If it's more than the above, I'll report back... We return to your regularly scheduled programming Howard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "NLUG" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "NLUG" group. >> To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. >> >> >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. > > > -- -Todd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] [OT] My day job doesn't use Vista
These cards tend to release firmware updates after a while that fix some of these issues. Verizon cards that I've worked with normally have an option to upgrade the firmware from inside the VZ Access manager. On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Chris Faulkner wrote: > Uninstall it the normal way, then do a registry check with ccleaner.com > > that should do it... > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Chris McQuistion > wrote: >> DLL hell isn't really much of a problem with Vista or 7. You're probably on >> the right track with the uninstall and reinstall trail. >> Chris >> >> On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Howard White wrote: >>> >>> Pardon my interruption as I impose on all of my fine Open Source friends >>> that find themselves working with Vista against their will. Got a call >>> from a neighbor describing how their computer lost the plot with their >>> Verizon Wireless mobile broadband. I grant you that at this moment I >>> have not seen the offending system and am working with paraphrased error >>> messages from my neighbor. I have seen earlier versions of Windows get >>> .dll files wadded up in its shorts. Anybody seen the same kind of thing >>> with Vista? >>> >>> Un-install the mobile broadband stuff and re-install kinda drill? I go >>> see the patient tomorrow 1530. If it's more than the above, I'll report >>> back... >>> >>> We return to your regularly scheduled programming >>> >>> Howard >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "NLUG" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "NLUG" group. >> To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] MySQL Letter to the EC
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Tim Jackson wrote: > More reasons to use Postgres. > > -- > Tim > Care to list some of the other reasons? > On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 6:57 PM, John R. Dennison wrote: >> I normally do not forward material to this list, but this is important >> enough to do so. >> >>> I thought I post this link >>> http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-saving-mysql.html >>> in case anyone isn't aware of this yet and wants to email the EC. >> >> I urge users of MySQL to read this link and if they feel inclined (which >> I hope most of you would) to mail the EC by the listed deadline >> (tomorrow). >> >> Oracle owning MySQL is a horrible thing to contemplate, if for no other >> reason than their track record with InnoDB. >> >> >> >> >> John >> >> -- >> Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. >> >> -- Frank Zappa (1940-1993), composer, musician, film director >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] [OT] My day job doesn't use Vista
Uninstall it the normal way, then do a registry check with ccleaner.com that should do it... On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Chris McQuistion wrote: > DLL hell isn't really much of a problem with Vista or 7. You're probably on > the right track with the uninstall and reinstall trail. > Chris > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Howard White wrote: >> >> Pardon my interruption as I impose on all of my fine Open Source friends >> that find themselves working with Vista against their will. Got a call >> from a neighbor describing how their computer lost the plot with their >> Verizon Wireless mobile broadband. I grant you that at this moment I >> have not seen the offending system and am working with paraphrased error >> messages from my neighbor. I have seen earlier versions of Windows get >> .dll files wadded up in its shorts. Anybody seen the same kind of thing >> with Vista? >> >> Un-install the mobile broadband stuff and re-install kinda drill? I go >> see the patient tomorrow 1530. If it's more than the above, I'll report >> back... >> >> We return to your regularly scheduled programming >> >> Howard >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "NLUG" group. >> To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] [OT] My day job doesn't use Vista
DLL hell isn't really much of a problem with Vista or 7. You're probably on the right track with the uninstall and reinstall trail. Chris On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Howard White wrote: > Pardon my interruption as I impose on all of my fine Open Source friends > that find themselves working with Vista against their will. Got a call > from a neighbor describing how their computer lost the plot with their > Verizon Wireless mobile broadband. I grant you that at this moment I > have not seen the offending system and am working with paraphrased error > messages from my neighbor. I have seen earlier versions of Windows get > .dll files wadded up in its shorts. Anybody seen the same kind of thing > with Vista? > > Un-install the mobile broadband stuff and re-install kinda drill? I go > see the patient tomorrow 1530. If it's more than the above, I'll report > back... > > We return to your regularly scheduled programming > > Howard > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
[nlug] [OT] My day job doesn't use Vista
Pardon my interruption as I impose on all of my fine Open Source friends that find themselves working with Vista against their will. Got a call from a neighbor describing how their computer lost the plot with their Verizon Wireless mobile broadband. I grant you that at this moment I have not seen the offending system and am working with paraphrased error messages from my neighbor. I have seen earlier versions of Windows get .dll files wadded up in its shorts. Anybody seen the same kind of thing with Vista? Un-install the mobile broadband stuff and re-install kinda drill? I go see the patient tomorrow 1530. If it's more than the above, I'll report back... We return to your regularly scheduled programming Howard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] MySQL Letter to the EC
More reasons to use Postgres. -- Tim On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 6:57 PM, John R. Dennison wrote: > I normally do not forward material to this list, but this is important > enough to do so. > >> I thought I post this link >> http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-saving-mysql.html >> in case anyone isn't aware of this yet and wants to email the EC. > > I urge users of MySQL to read this link and if they feel inclined (which > I hope most of you would) to mail the EC by the listed deadline > (tomorrow). > > Oracle owning MySQL is a horrible thing to contemplate, if for no other > reason than their track record with InnoDB. > > > > > John > > -- > Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. > > -- Frank Zappa (1940-1993), composer, musician, film director > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] MySQL Letter to the EC
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Howard Coles wrote: > It's better than MS owning it, which is what has strongly been hinted at > from Redmond. > If a fork were to be made right this second of it, would oracle really have the power to force that fork to cease and desist? If so, then open source software has a bigger problem then this one off instance. Andrew McElroy > See ya' > Howard Coles Jr. > John 3:16! > > Choose Life! > > On Dec 13, 2009 6:57 PM, "John R. Dennison" wrote: > > I normally do not forward material to this list, but this is important > enough to do so. > >> I thought I post this link >> http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-saving-mysql.html >> in case anyone isn't aware of this yet and wants to email the EC. > > I urge users of MySQL to read this link and if they feel inclined (which > I hope most of you would) to mail the EC by the listed deadline > (tomorrow). > > Oracle owning MySQL is a horrible thing to contemplate, if for no other > reason than their track record with InnoDB. > > > > > John > > -- > Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. > > -- Frank Zappa (1940-1993), composer, musician, film director > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] MySQL Letter to the EC
It's better than MS owning it, which is what has strongly been hinted at from Redmond. See ya' Howard Coles Jr. John 3:16! Choose Life! On Dec 13, 2009 6:57 PM, "John R. Dennison" wrote: I normally do not forward material to this list, but this is important enough to do so. > I thought I post this link > http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-saving-mysql.html > in case anyone isn't aware of this yet and wants to email the EC. I urge users of MySQL to read this link and if they feel inclined (which I hope most of you would) to mail the EC by the listed deadline (tomorrow). Oracle owning MySQL is a horrible thing to contemplate, if for no other reason than their track record with InnoDB. John -- Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. -- Frank Zappa (1940-1993), composer, musician, film director -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
[nlug] MySQL Letter to the EC
I normally do not forward material to this list, but this is important enough to do so. > I thought I post this link > http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-saving-mysql.html > in case anyone isn't aware of this yet and wants to email the EC. I urge users of MySQL to read this link and if they feel inclined (which I hope most of you would) to mail the EC by the listed deadline (tomorrow). Oracle owning MySQL is a horrible thing to contemplate, if for no other reason than their track record with InnoDB. John -- Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. -- Frank Zappa (1940-1993), composer, musician, film director pgp5MAMIR9OcY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls
That should work, but it just barely meets the requirements. If you have some beefier hardware it might be worth trying, particularly if this hardware is unstable, though the instability might just need some BIOS tweaking to fix. Chris Sent from my iPhone On Dec 13, 2009, at 3:17 PM, Gibson Prichard wrote: > I've got it on a box with a Sempron 1800 /768mb ram/ 20gb hdd with > only a few modules. The nics are 1 onboard and a cheapie no-name nic. > Should I run it on something beefier? > > Gibson Prichard > > On Dec 13, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Chris McQuistion > wrote: > >> I've got several Untangle servers at work and have been using it for >> years. I love it, but it dies require some resources to run well. I >> use a lot of modules and it takes at least 768 Mab of RAM to run well >> for me. >> >> What kind of hardware are you using? >> >> Chris >> >> On Sunday, December 13, 2009, Steven S. Critchfield >> wrote: >>> - "Gibson Prichard" wrote: I was wondering what others use and what your recommendations are for filtration of kids content at the firewall level. I'm shying away from software on the client, since we have things like iPod touches and iPhones that don't have ready content filters available. I have Smoothwall, but haven't tried it yet. Any ideas? >>> >>> >>> For Smoothwall. It incorporates a squid proxy, but it is for traffic >>> reduction and reporting, not control. So if you are willing to log >>> in >>> and find where they hid the conf files, you can do your own >>> filtering, >>> but not via the web page on a stock install. >>> >>> If you want smoothwall to do content filtering, you need to add on a >>> homebrew customization. Likely you will want http:// >>> dansguardian.org/ >>> to go on smoothwall. >>> >>> Here is the instructions for installing into smoothwall. >>> http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=28154 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "NLUG" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en >>> . >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "NLUG" group. >> To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en >> . >> >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls
I've got it on a box with a Sempron 1800 /768mb ram/ 20gb hdd with only a few modules. The nics are 1 onboard and a cheapie no-name nic. Should I run it on something beefier? Gibson Prichard On Dec 13, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Chris McQuistion wrote: > I've got several Untangle servers at work and have been using it for > years. I love it, but it dies require some resources to run well. I > use a lot of modules and it takes at least 768 Mab of RAM to run well > for me. > > What kind of hardware are you using? > > Chris > > On Sunday, December 13, 2009, Steven S. Critchfield > wrote: >> - "Gibson Prichard" wrote: >>> I was wondering what others use and what your recommendations are >>> for >>> filtration of kids content at the firewall level. I'm shying away >>> from >>> software on the client, since we have things like iPod touches and >>> iPhones that don't have ready content filters available. I have >>> Smoothwall, but haven't tried it yet. Any ideas? >> >> >> For Smoothwall. It incorporates a squid proxy, but it is for traffic >> reduction and reporting, not control. So if you are willing to log in >> and find where they hid the conf files, you can do your own >> filtering, >> but not via the web page on a stock install. >> >> If you want smoothwall to do content filtering, you need to add on a >> homebrew customization. Likely you will want http://dansguardian.org/ >> to go on smoothwall. >> >> Here is the instructions for installing into smoothwall. >> http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=28154 >> >> >> -- >> Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "NLUG" group. >> To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en >> . >> >> >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Dave Manginelli wrote: > > On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 11:20 -0600, Gibson Prichard wrote: >> For years I have used IPCop at home as a content-filtering firewall, >> protecting my kids from stuff they shouldn't see online. I noticed >> that IPCop seems to be stuck in a rather old release, with no real >> enhancements being done that I can see. >>... > > I don't find the lack of updates to IPCop to be an issue--either it does > what I need it to or it doesn't (as long as the security updates are > still coming, which they seem to be). > > For those who think newer is better, there are plenty of recent updates > to the test versions including 1.9.9 as of only 4 days ago: > http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipcop/files/ > > Anyway, I'm pleased to hear about the alternatives but for me > personally, if it ain't broke don't fix it. > > > I agree, I am curious why the OP felt he had to move from ipcop -- -- NOT sent from an iphone,blackberry,Nokia, or any handheld. -- I'm a PC(x86 AND ppc) AND I RUN LINUX!!! Linux is like ice cream. It comes in many flavors and everyone has their favorite, but we all get the same smile regardless of which we choose to scoop. - Malcolm Forbes - "By the time we've made it, we've had it." - http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/664.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls
After seeing this thread, I went ahead and put Untangle 7.10 Beta 2 on my firewall and gonna see if I can get it to NOT lock up this time... lol :) Still takes forever to boot up though... any way to get the boot up process to go faster? Pfsense takes like 45 sec to reboot and go live from the BIOS screen.. :) On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Dave Manginelli wrote: > > On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 11:20 -0600, Gibson Prichard wrote: >> For years I have used IPCop at home as a content-filtering firewall, >> protecting my kids from stuff they shouldn't see online. I noticed >> that IPCop seems to be stuck in a rather old release, with no real >> enhancements being done that I can see. >>... > > I don't find the lack of updates to IPCop to be an issue--either it does > what I need it to or it doesn't (as long as the security updates are > still coming, which they seem to be). > > For those who think newer is better, there are plenty of recent updates > to the test versions including 1.9.9 as of only 4 days ago: > http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipcop/files/ > > Anyway, I'm pleased to hear about the alternatives but for me > personally, if it ain't broke don't fix it. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls
On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 11:20 -0600, Gibson Prichard wrote: > For years I have used IPCop at home as a content-filtering firewall, > protecting my kids from stuff they shouldn't see online. I noticed > that IPCop seems to be stuck in a rather old release, with no real > enhancements being done that I can see. >... I don't find the lack of updates to IPCop to be an issue--either it does what I need it to or it doesn't (as long as the security updates are still coming, which they seem to be). For those who think newer is better, there are plenty of recent updates to the test versions including 1.9.9 as of only 4 days ago: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipcop/files/ Anyway, I'm pleased to hear about the alternatives but for me personally, if it ain't broke don't fix it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls
I've got several Untangle servers at work and have been using it for years. I love it, but it dies require some resources to run well. I use a lot of modules and it takes at least 768 Mab of RAM to run well for me. What kind of hardware are you using? Chris On Sunday, December 13, 2009, Steven S. Critchfield wrote: > - "Gibson Prichard" wrote: >> I was wondering what others use and what your recommendations are for >> filtration of kids content at the firewall level. I'm shying away >> from >> software on the client, since we have things like iPod touches and >> iPhones that don't have ready content filters available. I have >> Smoothwall, but haven't tried it yet. Any ideas? > > > For Smoothwall. It incorporates a squid proxy, but it is for traffic > reduction and reporting, not control. So if you are willing to log in > and find where they hid the conf files, you can do your own filtering, > but not via the web page on a stock install. > > If you want smoothwall to do content filtering, you need to add on a > homebrew customization. Likely you will want http://dansguardian.org/ > to go on smoothwall. > > Here is the instructions for installing into smoothwall. > http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=28154 > > > -- > Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls
- "Gibson Prichard" wrote: > I was wondering what others use and what your recommendations are for > filtration of kids content at the firewall level. I'm shying away > from > software on the client, since we have things like iPod touches and > iPhones that don't have ready content filters available. I have > Smoothwall, but haven't tried it yet. Any ideas? For Smoothwall. It incorporates a squid proxy, but it is for traffic reduction and reporting, not control. So if you are willing to log in and find where they hid the conf files, you can do your own filtering, but not via the web page on a stock install. If you want smoothwall to do content filtering, you need to add on a homebrew customization. Likely you will want http://dansguardian.org/ to go on smoothwall. Here is the instructions for installing into smoothwall. http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=28154 -- Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls
Well, looking at their forums, there are a few things that could be happening, hardware problem is one but I doubt it.. Another is reporting, when it runs the reports, it uses 100% CPU until it gets finished so i'm gonna retry it with the beta and if it locks up again, gonna turn reporting off... If that's not the case, then imma load Gentoo on it and put it under a simulated load to see if it is a hardware problem. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
RE: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls
Do you have any clue why your goes down? Mine has been rock solid with long uptimes (months). -Original Message- From: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:nlug-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Faulkner Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:43 PM To: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls I love Untangle myself, but it does go down about once a day and rebooting it takes about 10 minutes for it to come back live again. I mainly use IPFire right now with some kernel tcpip tweaks (latency for WoW is horrible without them). It has Content filtering, but I'm not liking the GUI as much as I like Untangle. Smoothwall seemed to work pretty good as well. On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Mark J. Bailey wrote: > I have been very happy with Untangle! http://www.untangle.com/ > > Based on Ubuntu the free modules do a fairly decent job. I used the ISO > version and loaded up an older P4 with 1gb ram and 80gb harddisk and 2 > nics and set it up in "transparent bridge" mode (as I use pfsense for my > home router). It does quite well. There is a 7.1beta that is reported to > be working well for everyone. It can also do the router function, I just > have a lot setup in pfsense that I wanted to keep it in the equation. In > bridge mode, you insert Untangle inline between the LAN and the router. > Has a nice web interface and is by far the easiest thing I have ever tried > that appears to do what I was looking for. You can gain ssh shell access > but most everything will get reset by the Untangle "engine". > > -Original Message- > From: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:nlug-t...@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Gibson Prichard > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:21 AM > To: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com > Subject: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls > > For years I have used IPCop at home as a content-filtering firewall, > protecting my kids from stuff they shouldn't see online. I noticed > that IPCop seems to be stuck in a rather old release, with no real > enhancements being done that I can see. So, I thought I would try > another Linux firewall with a web GUI front end (to help my wife tune > the filters when needed). I downloaded Untangle and am very > disappointed - the internet connection seems to go down every 5 > minutes with Untangle and I have to restart the content filter to > restore it. Maybe its the box I'm using, but it seems very slow on the > GUI part, too. > I was wondering what others use and what your recommendations are for > filtration of kids content at the firewall level. I'm shying away from > software on the client, since we have things like iPod touches and > iPhones that don't have ready content filters available. I have > Smoothwall, but haven't tried it yet. Any ideas? > > Gibson > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls
Untangle has a 7.1 Beta in 32 and 64bit 32Bit: http://www.untangle.com/download/untangle_710_beta_2.iso 64Bit: http://www.untangle.com/download/untangle_710_beta_amd64_2.iso On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Chris Faulkner wrote: > I love Untangle myself, but it does go down about once a day and > rebooting it takes about 10 minutes for it to come back live again. I > mainly use IPFire right now with some kernel tcpip tweaks (latency for > WoW is horrible without them). It has Content filtering, but I'm not > liking the GUI as much as I like Untangle. Smoothwall seemed to work > pretty good as well. > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Mark J. Bailey wrote: >> I have been very happy with Untangle! http://www.untangle.com/ >> >> Based on Ubuntu the free modules do a fairly decent job. I used the ISO >> version and loaded up an older P4 with 1gb ram and 80gb harddisk and 2 >> nics and set it up in "transparent bridge" mode (as I use pfsense for my >> home router). It does quite well. There is a 7.1beta that is reported to >> be working well for everyone. It can also do the router function, I just >> have a lot setup in pfsense that I wanted to keep it in the equation. In >> bridge mode, you insert Untangle inline between the LAN and the router. >> Has a nice web interface and is by far the easiest thing I have ever tried >> that appears to do what I was looking for. You can gain ssh shell access >> but most everything will get reset by the Untangle "engine". >> >> -Original Message- >> From: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:nlug-t...@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Gibson Prichard >> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:21 AM >> To: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com >> Subject: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls >> >> For years I have used IPCop at home as a content-filtering firewall, >> protecting my kids from stuff they shouldn't see online. I noticed >> that IPCop seems to be stuck in a rather old release, with no real >> enhancements being done that I can see. So, I thought I would try >> another Linux firewall with a web GUI front end (to help my wife tune >> the filters when needed). I downloaded Untangle and am very >> disappointed - the internet connection seems to go down every 5 >> minutes with Untangle and I have to restart the content filter to >> restore it. Maybe its the box I'm using, but it seems very slow on the >> GUI part, too. >> I was wondering what others use and what your recommendations are for >> filtration of kids content at the firewall level. I'm shying away from >> software on the client, since we have things like iPod touches and >> iPhones that don't have ready content filters available. I have >> Smoothwall, but haven't tried it yet. Any ideas? >> >> Gibson >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "NLUG" group. >> To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "NLUG" group. >> To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. >> >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls
I love Untangle myself, but it does go down about once a day and rebooting it takes about 10 minutes for it to come back live again. I mainly use IPFire right now with some kernel tcpip tweaks (latency for WoW is horrible without them). It has Content filtering, but I'm not liking the GUI as much as I like Untangle. Smoothwall seemed to work pretty good as well. On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Mark J. Bailey wrote: > I have been very happy with Untangle! http://www.untangle.com/ > > Based on Ubuntu the free modules do a fairly decent job. I used the ISO > version and loaded up an older P4 with 1gb ram and 80gb harddisk and 2 > nics and set it up in "transparent bridge" mode (as I use pfsense for my > home router). It does quite well. There is a 7.1beta that is reported to > be working well for everyone. It can also do the router function, I just > have a lot setup in pfsense that I wanted to keep it in the equation. In > bridge mode, you insert Untangle inline between the LAN and the router. > Has a nice web interface and is by far the easiest thing I have ever tried > that appears to do what I was looking for. You can gain ssh shell access > but most everything will get reset by the Untangle "engine". > > -Original Message- > From: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:nlug-t...@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Gibson Prichard > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:21 AM > To: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com > Subject: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls > > For years I have used IPCop at home as a content-filtering firewall, > protecting my kids from stuff they shouldn't see online. I noticed > that IPCop seems to be stuck in a rather old release, with no real > enhancements being done that I can see. So, I thought I would try > another Linux firewall with a web GUI front end (to help my wife tune > the filters when needed). I downloaded Untangle and am very > disappointed - the internet connection seems to go down every 5 > minutes with Untangle and I have to restart the content filter to > restore it. Maybe its the box I'm using, but it seems very slow on the > GUI part, too. > I was wondering what others use and what your recommendations are for > filtration of kids content at the firewall level. I'm shying away from > software on the client, since we have things like iPod touches and > iPhones that don't have ready content filters available. I have > Smoothwall, but haven't tried it yet. Any ideas? > > Gibson > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
RE: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls
I have been very happy with Untangle! http://www.untangle.com/ Based on Ubuntu the free modules do a fairly decent job. I used the ISO version and loaded up an older P4 with 1gb ram and 80gb harddisk and 2 nics and set it up in "transparent bridge" mode (as I use pfsense for my home router). It does quite well. There is a 7.1beta that is reported to be working well for everyone. It can also do the router function, I just have a lot setup in pfsense that I wanted to keep it in the equation. In bridge mode, you insert Untangle inline between the LAN and the router. Has a nice web interface and is by far the easiest thing I have ever tried that appears to do what I was looking for. You can gain ssh shell access but most everything will get reset by the Untangle "engine". -Original Message- From: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:nlug-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gibson Prichard Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:21 AM To: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls For years I have used IPCop at home as a content-filtering firewall, protecting my kids from stuff they shouldn't see online. I noticed that IPCop seems to be stuck in a rather old release, with no real enhancements being done that I can see. So, I thought I would try another Linux firewall with a web GUI front end (to help my wife tune the filters when needed). I downloaded Untangle and am very disappointed - the internet connection seems to go down every 5 minutes with Untangle and I have to restart the content filter to restore it. Maybe its the box I'm using, but it seems very slow on the GUI part, too. I was wondering what others use and what your recommendations are for filtration of kids content at the firewall level. I'm shying away from software on the client, since we have things like iPod touches and iPhones that don't have ready content filters available. I have Smoothwall, but haven't tried it yet. Any ideas? Gibson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
[nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls
For years I have used IPCop at home as a content-filtering firewall, protecting my kids from stuff they shouldn't see online. I noticed that IPCop seems to be stuck in a rather old release, with no real enhancements being done that I can see. So, I thought I would try another Linux firewall with a web GUI front end (to help my wife tune the filters when needed). I downloaded Untangle and am very disappointed - the internet connection seems to go down every 5 minutes with Untangle and I have to restart the content filter to restore it. Maybe its the box I'm using, but it seems very slow on the GUI part, too. I was wondering what others use and what your recommendations are for filtration of kids content at the firewall level. I'm shying away from software on the client, since we have things like iPod touches and iPhones that don't have ready content filters available. I have Smoothwall, but haven't tried it yet. Any ideas? Gibson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
