Re: [NTG-context] Some update woes on Linux

2007-11-07 Thread Martin Schröder
2007/11/7, Jeff Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 When I run texexec from inside my editor (Winefish), it still reports
 the bad format files like I said earlier. I have no idea how that can
 happen. Linux is really making me feel stupid (my switch from

You probably got new formats in ~/.texlive2007/texmf-var and have old
formats still under /var, and the editor only sees the formats under
/var. But this shouldn't happen. You restarted your editor? :-)
Check the output of texconfig conf.

Best
   Martin
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[NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module

2007-11-07 Thread Duncan Hothersall
Hello all. I hope this is quite a simple question.

I'm using the Chinese module, with the font definitions in font-chi.tex, 
to typeset UTF-8 content. I can happily use the default sizes a, b, c, d 
and x, xx, xxx - so \bfd produces large bold, and \tfx produces small 
normal weight text.

But I really need to be able to do the equivalent of \definedfont[Bold 
at 48pt]. Unfortunately this doesn't work - it produces normal text size 
and weight.

Unfortunately it isn't easy to post an example, because you need UTF-8 
content, and you need the fonts set up for Chinese (which I believe 
ConTeXt Live doesn't currently have). So I'm hoping that someone 
familiar with the workings of font-chi.tex can tell me how to get 
specific point sizes of specific fonts. Is there a unicode font 
equivalent of \definedfont? Or a way of adding an e and f size 
definition to the default set?

Any help would be really appreciated, thanks.

Duncan
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Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module

2007-11-07 Thread Hans Hagen
Duncan Hothersall wrote:

 equivalent of \definedfont? Or a way of adding an e and f size 
 definition to the default set?

\definefontsize[e]

\setupfontenvironment
   [default]
   [e=4]

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Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module

2007-11-07 Thread Duncan Hothersall
Hans said:
 \definefontsize[e]

 \setupfontenvironment
[default]
[e=4]
   
Ah, thanks. Using \setupbodyfontenvironment as the second command did 
the trick.

I guess there is no easy way of directly calling a specific font at a 
specific size? No worry, this sort of solution will allow me to do what 
I need for now. Thanks Hans.

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Re: [NTG-context] table layout

2007-11-07 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
2007/11/6, Peter Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi Wolfgang,

 what a nice 'minimal' example :)

 I'm no table expert, not even an experienced table user. Anyhow, I think
 that table is the best choice here. Aside from the bad placing of the
 horizontal rules, all is working. This is much more than you can say
 from the other candidates.

 How about defining your own horizontal rules instead of using the
 default \HL ones? See definition of \TableHL and alike in core-tab.tex.
 You can define special horizontal lines for all three occurrences, so
 spacing should not be a problem.

 Donno if this works out of the box (if table accepts such stuff in head
 and tail). All untested, as I don't have much time.

 try (ugly and old code, works between normal table lines)

 \def\betweentable#1{\TABLEnoalign{\nointerlineskip#1\nointerlineskip}}

 \TB[small,medium,...] for vertical spacing and
 \betweentable{...} for the line (MP line is always nice)

 \TB[small]
 \betweentable{\hbox{~~~\reuseMPgraphic{EnglishRule}{color=dimgray,width=
 81.3mm,height=2pt}}}
 \TB[medium]


 CHANGE IT HERE 

 \starttablehead
 \HL % 
 \NC Row 1 \NC Row 2 \NC Row 3 \NC\AR
 \HL % 
 \stoptablehead

 \starttabletail
 \HL % 
 \stoptabletail


 Hope that helps,

 Peter


Hi Peter,

your solution would be really a option but I hope the real bugs will be
fixed,
the big space above the footer line did only appear with the repeat option
for split.

\starttext

\startbuffer
\starttablehead
\HL
\NC Head 1 \NC Head 2 \NC\AR
\HL
\stoptablehead

\starttabletail
\HL
\stoptabletail

\starttable[|||]
\NC Text \NC Text \NC\AR
\NC Text \NC Text \NC\AR
\NC Text \NC Text \NC\AR
\NC Text \NC Text \NC\AR
\stoptable
\stopbuffer

%\tracetablestrue

\setuptables[split=no]
\getbuffer

\setuptables[split=yes]
\getbuffer

\setuptables[split=repeat]
\getbuffer

\stoptext

The wrong spaces after the header and before the footer in the other
examples
are a result of the macro expansion and need also to be solved, because it
is
not possile to insert the right nexrow command (\FR and \LR) in the table
input
without looking at the final pagebreaks. This should be possible with a few
extra
signals after the header and every line and by inserting linecorrection when
the
header, footer and tablebody are combined.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] [Fwd: [Fontforge-devel] ORA pro nobis]

2007-11-07 Thread luigi scarso
 O'Reilly  Associates has finally shipped the English translation of
 Yannis  Haralambous's
  Fonts  Encodings
I have it now under my head.
-- 
luigi
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Re: [NTG-context] itemize a list

2007-11-07 Thread Hans Hagen
Hans van der Meer wrote:
 It is my intention to place a list inside an itemize, and therefore 
 prepend a \item before every list item. Thus:
 
 \startitemize
 \placelist[Topic][label=no,pagenumber=no,before=\item]}%
 \stopitemize
 
 However this doesn't work but instead gives the following error:
 
 ! Missing } inserted.
 inserted text
 }
 to be read again
\endgroup
 \stopitemgroup ...xtindentation \fi \fi \endgroup
   \doglobal \decrement 
 (\ite...
 
 \Topics ...enumber=no,before=\item ]}\stopitemize
   \def \FirstPage {Topics}
 l.1 \Topics{Synopsis}
 
 ? \doendoflist -\stoppacked
\endgroup
 \Topics ...[label=no,pagenumber=no,before=\item ]}
   \stopitemize \def 
 \FirstPa...
 
 Placing the before=\item in the \setuplist makes no difference.
 Why?
 How can I realize the goal: placing the list entries each as an item in 
 an itemized list?

these mechanisms interfere

you may try

\startitemize
\placelist[Topic][label=no,pagenumber=no,before=\startitem,after=\stopitem]
\stopitemize

or hook in a command that does a complete

\startitemize[continue]
\startitem
content
\stopitem
\stopitemize






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Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module

2007-11-07 Thread Hans Hagen
Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
 2007/11/7, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Duncan Hothersall wrote:
 Hans said:
 \definefontsize[e]

 \setupfontenvironment
[default]
[e=4]

 Ah, thanks. Using \setupbodyfontenvironment as the second command did
 the trick.

 I guess there is no easy way of directly calling a specific font at a
 specific size? No worry, this sort of solution will allow me to do what
 I need for now. Thanks Hans.
 chinese in mkii is kind of special, i.e. all kind of mappings to ranges
 of fonts; in mkiv chines is easier (i still have to finish some spacing
 issues)
 
 
 How about a little appetizer from mkiv.
 
 \definefontfeature[chinese][analyze=yes,language=dflt,mode=node,script=hani]
 
 \starttypescript[sans][arial]
 \definefontsynonym[Sans][Arial][features=chinese]
 \stoptypescript
 
 \starttypescript[sans][arial]
 \definefontsynonym[Arial][file:ARIALUNI][features=default]
 \stoptypescript
 
 \definetypeface[arial][ss][sans][arial][default]
 
 \setupbodyfont[arial,ss]
 
 % alternative to the typescript solution
 %\definefont[Normal][ARIALUNI*chinese at 12pt][line=16pt]
 
 \starttext
 
 write your chinese text here
 
 \stoptext
 
 There will be no longer any big difference in defining fonts for latin or
 any
 other language. A few things are to achive than with the current code from
 the
 chinese module like opening and closing braces in vertical mode.

a next mkiv release will provide dynamic features ...

\definefontfeature[chinese][analyze=yes,language=dflt,mode=node,script=hani]

\starttypescript[sans][arial]
\definefontsynonym[Sans][Arial]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript[sans][arial]
\definefontsynonym[Arial][file:ARIALUNI]
\stoptypescript

\definetypeface[arial][ss][sans][arial][default]

\setupbodyfont[arial,ss]

\starttext

bla bla {\setfontfeature{chinese} MORE BLA} bla bla 
{\setfontfeature{oldstyle} 1234} bla bla

\stoptext

so, just one font instance and independent feature switches; this saves 
multiple definitions of fonts and is therefore faster and takes less 
memory too

Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module

2007-11-07 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
2007/11/7, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Duncan Hothersall wrote:
  Hans said:
  \definefontsize[e]
 
  \setupfontenvironment
 [default]
 [e=4]
 
  Ah, thanks. Using \setupbodyfontenvironment as the second command did
  the trick.
 
  I guess there is no easy way of directly calling a specific font at a
  specific size? No worry, this sort of solution will allow me to do what
  I need for now. Thanks Hans.

 chinese in mkii is kind of special, i.e. all kind of mappings to ranges
 of fonts; in mkiv chines is easier (i still have to finish some spacing
 issues)


How about a little appetizer from mkiv.

\definefontfeature[chinese][analyze=yes,language=dflt,mode=node,script=hani]

\starttypescript[sans][arial]
\definefontsynonym[Sans][Arial][features=chinese]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript[sans][arial]
\definefontsynonym[Arial][file:ARIALUNI][features=default]
\stoptypescript

\definetypeface[arial][ss][sans][arial][default]

\setupbodyfont[arial,ss]

% alternative to the typescript solution
%\definefont[Normal][ARIALUNI*chinese at 12pt][line=16pt]

\starttext

write your chinese text here

\stoptext

There will be no longer any big difference in defining fonts for latin or
any
other language. A few things are to achive than with the current code from
the
chinese module like opening and closing braces in vertical mode.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module

2007-11-07 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
 Btw: Is there any reason for not using XeTeX (or LuaTeX in the future)
 for Chinese? (To be honest: I have absolutely no idea whether it works
 and how good it works if at all, but I would expect less problems
 there.)

  XeTeX can use Chinese fonts since the first day :-) I remember
Jonathan trying it out during TUG in Wuhan over two years ago ...

  By the way, yesterday there was a thread about the LaTeX zhspacing
package on the XeTeX list, and I was wondering if its features were
already present in ConTeXt's Chinese module; if not, it probably
wouldn't be so much work to “port” it.

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Re: [NTG-context] table layout

2007-11-07 Thread Peter Rolf
Wolfgang Schuster schrieb:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 your solution would be really a option but I hope the real bugs will be
 fixed,

I see :)

So things could be worse. You have

 - a workaround (?)
 - a complete minimal description/example of the problem (as starting
point for Hans)
 - some good hints/solution for fixing

If you add some patience this all looks quite promising. ;)


Best wishes, Peter

 the big space above the footer line did only appear with the repeat
 option for split.
 
 \starttext
 
 \startbuffer
 \starttablehead
 \HL
 \NC Head 1 \NC Head 2 \NC\AR
 \HL
 \stoptablehead
 
 \starttabletail
 \HL
 \stoptabletail
 
 \starttable[|||]
 \NC Text \NC Text \NC\AR
 \NC Text \NC Text \NC\AR
 \NC Text \NC Text \NC\AR
 \NC Text \NC Text \NC\AR
 \stoptable
 \stopbuffer
 
 %\tracetablestrue
 
 \setuptables[split=no]
 \getbuffer
 
 \setuptables[split=yes]
 \getbuffer
 
 \setuptables[split=repeat]
 \getbuffer
 
 \stoptext
 
 The wrong spaces after the header and before the footer in the other
 examples
 are a result of the macro expansion and need also to be solved, because
 it is
 not possile to insert the right nexrow command (\FR and \LR) in the
 table input
 without looking at the final pagebreaks. This should be possible with a
 few extra
 signals after the header and every line and by inserting linecorrection
 when the
 header, footer and tablebody are combined.
 
 Wolfgang
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [NTG-context] Flow charts forgetting text

2007-11-07 Thread Hans Hagen
Willi Egger wrote:
 Hi Aditya,
 
 Your code compiles correctly here. Well with the following version of  
 Context
 
 ConTeXt  ver: 2007.10.03 12:52 MKII  fmt: 2007.10.4  int: english/ 
 english

works here too


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Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module

2007-11-07 Thread Duncan Hothersall
Hans (07/11/2007 16:09) said:
 Btw: Is there any reason for not using XeTeX (or LuaTeX in the future)
 for Chinese? (To be honest: I have absolutely no idea whether it works
 and how good it works if at all, but I would expect less problems
 there.)
 

 i bet that duncan uses it in some workflow that has to be stable i.e. no 
 moving targets like xetex or luatex (yet)

 Hans
Exactly right. :-) We have some big plans for LuaTeX across Latin, 
Arabic and Chinese alphabets, but for now we have to stick to the old 
tried and tested...

Duncan
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Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module

2007-11-07 Thread Hans Hagen
Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
 Btw: Is there any reason for not using XeTeX (or LuaTeX in the future)
 for Chinese? (To be honest: I have absolutely no idea whether it works
 and how good it works if at all, but I would expect less problems
 there.)
 
   XeTeX can use Chinese fonts since the first day :-) I remember
 Jonathan trying it out during TUG in Wuhan over two years ago ...
 
   By the way, yesterday there was a thread about the LaTeX zhspacing
 package on the XeTeX list, and I was wondering if its features were
 already present in ConTeXt's Chinese module; if not, it probably
 wouldn't be so much work to “port” it.

there is some spacing support in the mkiv files (but not yet finished, i 
will pick up that cjk thread when the next beta is finished)

i dunno about zaspacing (and also am not sure about supporting it) 
because it probably uses this 'code-between-characters' mechanism; it 
only makes sense to support that when i make some interface for it and 
it's one of those areas where xetex code is rather different from luatex 
code

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] table layout

2007-11-07 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
2007/11/7, Peter Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Wolfgang Schuster schrieb:
 
  Hi Peter,
 
  your solution would be really a option but I hope the real bugs will be
  fixed,

 I see :)

 So things could be worse. You have

 - a workaround (?)


you mean your solution with a self defined rule.

There is also another one if you want to put the table into a float
because you can use the background mechanism and put a overlay
behind the table.

- a complete minimal description/example of the problem (as starting
 point for Hans)
 - some good hints/solution for fixing

 If you add some patience this all looks quite promising. ;)

 Best wishes, Peter


I have time and this is nothing I need at the moment but this should
be fixed especially if you realy need tables in one of your documents.

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[NTG-context] \blank[big]

2007-11-07 Thread Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky
Hello,

Excuse me, but what 'big' stands for in \blank[big]?

Every time I use it, I expect really big white space, but get only hardly 
noticeable one. 

Best regards,
Vaytcheslav

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Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module

2007-11-07 Thread Hans Hagen
Mojca Miklavec wrote:

 Btw: Is there any reason for not using XeTeX (or LuaTeX in the future)
 for Chinese? (To be honest: I have absolutely no idea whether it works
 and how good it works if at all, but I would expect less problems
 there.)

i bet that duncan uses it in some workflow that has to be stable i.e. no 
moving targets like xetex or luatex (yet)

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module

2007-11-07 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On 11/7/07, Duncan Hothersall wrote:
 Hello all. I hope this is quite a simple question.

 But I really need to be able to do the equivalent of \definedfont[Bold
 at 48pt]. Unfortunately this doesn't work - it produces normal text size
 and weight.

I have absolutely no experience and/or knowledge about Chinese and its
typesetting, but perhaps something like
\definedfont[SimplifiedChineseBold at 48pt] could work?

 Unfortunately it isn't easy to post an example, because you need UTF-8
 content, and you need the fonts set up for Chinese (which I believe
 ConTeXt Live doesn't currently have). So I'm hoping that someone
 familiar with the workings of font-chi.tex can tell me how to get
 specific point sizes of specific fonts. Is there a unicode font
 equivalent of \definedfont? Or a way of adding an e and f size
 definition to the default set?

Btw: Is there any reason for not using XeTeX (or LuaTeX in the future)
for Chinese? (To be honest: I have absolutely no idea whether it works
and how good it works if at all, but I would expect less problems
there.)

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Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module

2007-11-07 Thread Hans Hagen
Duncan Hothersall wrote:
 Hans said:
 \definefontsize[e]

 \setupfontenvironment
[default]
[e=4]
   
 Ah, thanks. Using \setupbodyfontenvironment as the second command did 
 the trick.
 
 I guess there is no easy way of directly calling a specific font at a 
 specific size? No worry, this sort of solution will allow me to do what 
 I need for now. Thanks Hans.

chinese in mkii is kind of special, i.e. all kind of mappings to ranges 
of fonts; in mkiv chines is easier (i still have to finish some spacing 
issues)

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] \blank[big]

2007-11-07 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
2007/11/7, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hello,

 Excuse me, but what 'big' stands for in \blank[big]?

 Every time I use it, I expect really big white space, but get only hardly 
 noticeable one.

 Best regards,
 Vaytcheslav

From core-spa:
% In earlier versions \type{\bigskipamount} was
% \type{\ht\strutbox} and the stretch was plus or minus
% \type{.4\dp\strutbox}. Don't ask me why. The most recent
% implementation is based on a user supplied distance, which
% is by default \type{.75\normalskipamount} where
% \type{\normalskipamount} equals the current baseline
% distance.

The normal \blank is equal to \blank[big] but you can change this with
\setupblank[...]

To get bigger values for blank you write for example:

\starttext
Line 1
\blank
Line 2
\blank[2*big]
\setupblank[2\baselineskip]
Line 3
\blank
Line 4
\stoptext

The source code is your friend.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Flow charts forgetting text

2007-11-07 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Wed, 7 Nov 2007, Hans Hagen wrote:

 Willi Egger wrote:
 Hi Aditya,

 Your code compiles correctly here. Well with the following version of
 Context

 ConTeXt  ver: 2007.10.03 12:52 MKII  fmt: 2007.10.4  int: english/
 english

 works here too

I am confused. It does not work correctly here ( context version: 
2007.09.28 16:52 ) or the garden (ConTeXt  ver: 2007.10.03 12:52 MKII).

The file compiles, but the output is wrong. The first flowchart has a X_t 
between the source and the encoder, while the second one does not. Do you 
see a X_t in the second flowchart?

Aditya
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[NTG-context] doc at minimals

2007-11-07 Thread luigi scarso
Just discovered
http://minimals.contextgarden.net/doc

-- 
luigi
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Re: [NTG-context] doc at minimals

2007-11-07 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
 Just discovered
 http://minimals.contextgarden.net/doc

  That's not possible, it doesn't exist ...

Arthur
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[NTG-context] Easy way to start working with cyrillic?

2007-11-07 Thread Klaus Gena
Hi,

I am entirely new to Tex and Context. I installed the stand alone mswin
context distro and manage to typeset Dutch texts without any problems, using
the manuals.

I also need to typeset Russian texts, however, and I was wondering if there
exists a painless, 'out of the box', way to make Context understand Russian
(and not transliterating everything), or is it necessary to install
additional fonts?

The wikipage on the contextgarden site on Russian doesn't really give any
positive results, and browsing the mailinglist archives neither.

Thanks,

Klaus Gena
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Re: [NTG-context] doc at minimals

2007-11-07 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:

 Just discovered
 http://minimals.contextgarden.net/doc

  That's not possible, it doesn't exist ...

Someone is trying to make us explore the minimals directory structure in 
detail. I think that this directory has moved to

http://minimals.contextgarden.net/bin/man/man/

Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module

2007-11-07 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On 11/7/07, Hans Hagen wrote:
 Mojca Miklavec wrote:

  Btw: Is there any reason for not using XeTeX (or LuaTeX in the future)
  for Chinese? (To be honest: I have absolutely no idea whether it works
  and how good it works if at all, but I would expect less problems
  there.)

 i bet that duncan uses it in some workflow that has to be stable i.e. no
 moving targets like xetex or luatex (yet)

That's certainly true for LuaTeX, but XeTeX is really not *so
unstable*. I agree, font support has been (and still is a bit) broken
until recently (and Leopard users report serious problems with
xdvipdfmx), but the rest of problems seems approximately equally
buggy/problematic to me as the rest of ConTeXt  :) :) :) :)


Only as a suggestion: could someone who has managed to install
Chinese fonts and map files successfully, upload the needed files to
http://modules.contextgarden.net/, so that it would be easier for
other users to take ready-to-start-using module rather than having
to read dozens of pages of how to get started?

In that case, supporting Chinese on the garden could be done right
away if needed (perhaps we need to enable third party modules on the
garden, which is really not so difficult to do).

Mojca
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