Re: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-30 Thread Ben Scott 
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:
>>> loading either OpenSUSE or Fedora on a Virtual PC
>
> No error codes I have found yet but for Fedora it will not get to the option
> to install but with OpenSUSE it will not find the virtual drive.

  Hmm, sounds like it's not seeing the (virtual) disk controller.
That usually means it lacks a device driver, same as with a Windows
install.  The odd part is virtual machine implementations usually pick
a really common controller to emulate.

  If you try again, see if you can find a *nix command prompt.  For
the installers, you can usually find one on another virtual console.
Press CTRL+ALT+F1, or F2, or F3, etc., to switch virtual consoles.
Once you're there you can play around with the system, to see what the
installer sees.  The command "dmesg | more" (don't type the quotes)
will review the kernel debug messages, which are often very
informative.

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Re: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-30 Thread Jon Harris 
No error codes I have found yet but for Fedora it will not get to the
option to install but with OpenSUSE it will not find the virtual drive.
Both loaded like a charm in Hyper-V.  I was able to find references to
using some of the load code for Debian but these seem to apply only to
earlier version and both with other version loading without assistance in
some other earlier versions.  I believe Fedora 13 would load like normal
but version 15 required some of the Debian fixes to allow it to load.

Thanks,

Jon

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:
> > Scot, do you have any good sources for loading either OpenSUSE or Fedora
> on
> > a Virtual PC, since you mentioned it.  Debian while a little difficult
> > loaded like a charm compared to either of the others.
>
>   Unfortunately, no.  I have basically no experience with Virtual PC.
> We use VMware at work (snapshots make test scenarios much easier).  I
> know I've read of people using VPC to run Linux, but I don't recall
> the distribution or details, sorry.
>
>  Any particular failure mode or error message?
>
> -- Ben
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RE: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-30 Thread Joseph L. Casale 
If you're using CentOS, than how about the CentOS list?
http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos


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Thank you for all the comments.  I have started playing with CentOS in
our virtual environment.

I feel badly continuing this in an NT support list, is there a good
list for *nix support?

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Re: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-30 Thread Stephen Wimberly 
Thank you for all the comments.  I have started playing with CentOS in
our virtual environment.

I feel badly continuing this in an NT support list, is there a good
list for *nix support?

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Re: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-27 Thread Ben Scott 
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:
> Scot, do you have any good sources for loading either OpenSUSE or Fedora on
> a Virtual PC, since you mentioned it.  Debian while a little difficult
> loaded like a charm compared to either of the others.

  Unfortunately, no.  I have basically no experience with Virtual PC.
We use VMware at work (snapshots make test scenarios much easier).  I
know I've read of people using VPC to run Linux, but I don't recall
the distribution or details, sorry.

  Any particular failure mode or error message?

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RE: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-27 Thread Crawford, Scott 
Sounds delicious.

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On Jan 27, 2012 9:22 AM, "Maglinger, Paul" 
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What flavor of Unix?

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Subject: Training for Unix Support?

I have supported Microsoft products since 1992.  I am now being asked
to support our first Unix box.  Aside from the occasional install to
play around, I have ZERO Unix exposure.  What training would you
request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix
support?

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Re: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-27 Thread Jon Harris 
Scot, do you have any good sources for loading either OpenSUSE or Fedora on
a Virtual PC, since you mentioned it.  Debian while a little difficult
loaded like a charm compared to either of the others.

Jon

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Stephen Wimberly
>  wrote:
> > I still want to learn more about Linux, but I'm also sort of waiting
> > until we decide which 'flavor' we'll be using.  I'd take raspberry
> > over lemon though myself.
>
>   Well, given that the pressure's off, I would say it's a good
> opportunity to start playing.  Now less directed learning is more
> acceptable.
>
>  Flavor doesn't matter nearly as much now.  While there is variation
> between the different flavors of *nix, most of what you learn will be
> applicable.  It's akin to the differences between major releases of
> Windows.  There are a lot of differences between Windows 2000 Server
> and and Windows 2008.  But most things one learned for Win2K still
> work in 2008.  Likewise, most of what you learn for, say, Red Hat,
> would be fairly applicable to Debian.  Even if they use different
> commands for some things, the concepts are similar.
>
>  Virtualization on the desktop is a great way to do this.  If you
> don't already have a solution, Microsoft's Virtual PC is free.  Then
> download a copy of a distro and try things out -- run Linux in a
> window on your PC.  Play with Linux while you're waiting for other
> things to finish.
>
>  Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) is prolly the most common Linux
> flavor for "corporate" environments.  There's a clone of it called
> "CentOS" which is freely available (this is completely legal, as Red
> Hat publishes almost all the source code to RHEL.
> (http://www.centos.org/)
>
> -- Ben
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Re: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-27 Thread Ben Scott 
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Stephen Wimberly
 wrote:
> I still want to learn more about Linux, but I'm also sort of waiting
> until we decide which 'flavor' we'll be using.  I'd take raspberry
> over lemon though myself.

  Well, given that the pressure's off, I would say it's a good
opportunity to start playing.  Now less directed learning is more
acceptable.

  Flavor doesn't matter nearly as much now.  While there is variation
between the different flavors of *nix, most of what you learn will be
applicable.  It's akin to the differences between major releases of
Windows.  There are a lot of differences between Windows 2000 Server
and and Windows 2008.  But most things one learned for Win2K still
work in 2008.  Likewise, most of what you learn for, say, Red Hat,
would be fairly applicable to Debian.  Even if they use different
commands for some things, the concepts are similar.

  Virtualization on the desktop is a great way to do this.  If you
don't already have a solution, Microsoft's Virtual PC is free.  Then
download a copy of a distro and try things out -- run Linux in a
window on your PC.  Play with Linux while you're waiting for other
things to finish.

  Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) is prolly the most common Linux
flavor for "corporate" environments.  There's a clone of it called
"CentOS" which is freely available (this is completely legal, as Red
Hat publishes almost all the source code to RHEL.
(http://www.centos.org/)

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Re: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-27 Thread Ben Scott 
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Maglinger, Paul  wrote:
> The item that impressed me most was doing disaster recovery
> testing with Red Hat Enterprise.  We restored to a different box
> and on boot it automagically prompted to remove the old hardware
> and to install and configure the new stuff without a hitch.  Very nice.

  One area I think *nix has a real edge over *doze is when things go
wrong, such as disaster recovery or trouble-shooting.  All that
low-level detail that's hidden or poorly documented or not supported,
etc., in the *doze world is exposed.  Sure, that leaves a lot of sharp
edges, but it also means you can reach in and fix things if you need
to.

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Re: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-27 Thread Kurt Buff 
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 10:43, Ben Scott  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Stephen Wimberly
>  wrote:
>> Our web developer wants to host a web site "in house" rather
>> than with shared Unix hosting.
>
>  What's the business justification for this?  What's the ROI?
>
>  Unless you have some kind of major web project, hosting in-house
> isn't a good idea.  I'm a big *nix booster myself, but I still
> wouldn't want to host our website on-site.
>
> -- Ben

There are multiple issues here, even assuming it's a small web site -
if it's meant to be exposed to the public.

o- Security
 Just because it's small, doesn't mean it's not a target.
Configuring a web service for secure operation (even if it hosts no
sensitive information) is not something to take on lightly. Configure
it incorreclty, and you *will* get hacked. Once hacked, your site
becomes a stepping stone for further maliciousness

o- Business availability
 Whether hacked or not, if someone gets a wild hair and decides
your site is offensive, or for some strange reason your site becomes
wildly popular, your Internet pipe will get stuffed full, and you'll
find it very hard to operate.

Just those two would put me off putting up a site, unless there's a
very strong business case to justify the resources to do it correctly.

Kurt

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Re: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-27 Thread Stephen Wimberly 
I believe I have everyone talked out of the entire idea of "in house"
hosting.  As it turns out, this came up only because one client had a
desire to use a particular template that just doesn't work on a
Windows based web server.  It looks like that one client's site will
be hosted elsewhere.

I still want to learn more about Linux, but I'm also sort of waiting
until we decide which 'flavor' we'll be using.  I'd take raspberry
over lemon though myself.

Thank you for the advise!

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RE: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-27 Thread Maglinger, Paul 
Out of all the Unix I've been exposed to, I tend to lean most to Red Hat.  If 
you pay the subscription, the patch update service is pretty good.  Tech 
support has been better than average.  The item that impressed me most was 
doing disaster recovery testing with Red Hat Enterprise.  We restored to a 
different box and on boot it automagically prompted to remove the old hardware 
and to install and configure the new stuff without a hitch.  Very nice.
 YMMV...

-Paul

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From: Stephen Wimberly [mailto:riverside...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 11:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Training for Unix Support?

Flavor?  Our web developer wants to host a web site "in house" rather
than with shared Unix hosting.

When I asked what flavor he wants to use, he asked me!  He even
suggested that I download and learn a free one like CenOS and then we
purchase an Enterprise one like Red Hat or SUSE Linux Enterprise.  I
don't mind learning something new, and I've actually always wanted a
reason to learn some flavor of Unix, but it seems we are both starting
from scratch!

I think it's a classic case of "the blind leading the blind!"

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Re: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-27 Thread Ben Scott 
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Stephen Wimberly
 wrote:
> Our web developer wants to host a web site "in house" rather
> than with shared Unix hosting.

  What's the business justification for this?  What's the ROI?

  Unless you have some kind of major web project, hosting in-house
isn't a good idea.  I'm a big *nix booster myself, but I still
wouldn't want to host our website on-site.

-- Ben

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Re: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-27 Thread Jonathan Link 
Ugh.  Websites are made to be hosted.  If he can't answer the question
himself, then it definitely needs to be hosted!

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Stephen Wimberly
wrote:

> Flavor?  Our web developer wants to host a web site "in house" rather
> than with shared Unix hosting.
>
> When I asked what flavor he wants to use, he asked me!  He even
> suggested that I download and learn a free one like CenOS and then we
> purchase an Enterprise one like Red Hat or SUSE Linux Enterprise.  I
> don't mind learning something new, and I've actually always wanted a
> reason to learn some flavor of Unix, but it seems we are both starting
> from scratch!
>
> I think it's a classic case of "the blind leading the blind!"
>
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Re: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-27 Thread Stephen Wimberly 
Flavor?  Our web developer wants to host a web site "in house" rather
than with shared Unix hosting.

When I asked what flavor he wants to use, he asked me!  He even
suggested that I download and learn a free one like CenOS and then we
purchase an Enterprise one like Red Hat or SUSE Linux Enterprise.  I
don't mind learning something new, and I've actually always wanted a
reason to learn some flavor of Unix, but it seems we are both starting
from scratch!

I think it's a classic case of "the blind leading the blind!"

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RE: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-27 Thread Maglinger, Paul 
In that case I would seek training at WWUAWW (Willie Wonka Unix Academy of 
Wallawalla Washington).  :-P

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On Jan 27, 2012 9:22 AM, "Maglinger, Paul" 
mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com>> wrote:
What flavor of Unix?

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Wimberly 
[mailto:riverside...@gmail.com<mailto:riverside...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Training for Unix Support?

I have supported Microsoft products since 1992.  I am now being asked
to support our first Unix box.  Aside from the occasional install to
play around, I have ZERO Unix exposure.  What training would you
request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix
support?

Thank you

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RE: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-27 Thread Maglinger, Paul 
+1 - Especially on the playing.  And don't let that test box slide into 
production.  Unix typically doesn't have near the overhead that Windows boxes 
need, so you don't need much horsepower in a box.  As long as your stepping 
into Unixland,  a couple of things you might look into now while you are 
playing is authentication and mixed data storage.

-Paul



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Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:12 PM
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On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Stephen Wimberly
 wrote:
> What training would you request from an employer that
> wants me to branch out into Unix support?

  That depends on what kind of training works best for you.  (And
maybe the flavor of *nix.)I would certainly sit down with a test
PC (or virtual machine), install a popular distro, and start playing.
But without some accompanying learning resources, your learning won't
be very efficient.

  For example, if you like books, I can recommend /The UNIX and Linux
System Administration Handbook/, by Nemeth, et. al.  Very good, very
practical, very accessible.  There's also /Linux for Windows
Administrators/, by Minasi, et. al.  It's a bit dated, and I wouldn't
consider it a replacement for USAH, but it's a good companion.

  If you prefer online resources, you're in luck: There are many.  Too
many, possibly.  The Linux Documentation Project (http://tldp.org/) is
a good place to start.  There are many HOWTO's that cover things at a
detailed level.  And they're free.

  If you like in-person classes, that's harder, since local is usually
more convenient, and I don't know where you are.

  The one bit of universal advice I can give you is: Make sure your
employer is budgeting you *time* to do your learning.  No amount of
money or resources will substitute.

-- Ben

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RE: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-27 Thread Andrew S. Baker 
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 On Jan 27, 2012 9:22 AM, "Maglinger, Paul"  wrote:

> What flavor of Unix?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen Wimberly [mailto:riverside...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:51 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Training for Unix Support?
>
> I have supported Microsoft products since 1992.  I am now being asked
> to support our first Unix box.  Aside from the occasional install to
> play around, I have ZERO Unix exposure.  What training would you
> request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix
> support?
>
> Thank you
>
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RE: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-27 Thread Maglinger, Paul 
What flavor of Unix?

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From: Stephen Wimberly [mailto:riverside...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Training for Unix Support?

I have supported Microsoft products since 1992.  I am now being asked
to support our first Unix box.  Aside from the occasional install to
play around, I have ZERO Unix exposure.  What training would you
request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix
support?

Thank you

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Re: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-26 Thread Ben Scott 
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Joseph L. Casale
 wrote:
> When you say 'Unix', you usually mean proprietary, so like a vendor specific 
> implementation.

  To be fair, the BSDs, and yes even Linux, are often considered to be
flavors of "Unix", although technically only The Open Group(R) can
bestow the Unix(R) certification.

  And don't forget, these days, Unix(R) includes the Apple(R) Macintosh(R).  :-)

-- Ben

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Re: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-26 Thread Steve Kradel 
Yes, time is of the essence... I can't really imagine a training class
that would teach enough relevant stuff at the right pace--there are so
many facets to Linux / FreeBSD / Solaris / etc., and then substantial
differences even within Linux distributions.

For example, I used to spend all my time in Red Hat / CentOS land, and
every time I deal with a Debian system like Ubuntu, it feels like
everything in /etc is in the wrong place, the software package manager
is different, and especially the startup scripts operate in an almost
totally different fashion.  Never mind hopping over to Solaris or
HPUX... those are systems I can use, but wouldn't care to run.

Among other things, you may need to learn a long list of tools to work
effectively like: less, vi, awk, sed, cut, head, tail, iptables, ssh
and sshd, rsync, bash / zsh generally, find, xargs, and more; general
things like piping and redirection, the structure of the filesystem,
runlevels, troubleshooting, various scripting languages, X, the list
goes on and on... it takes years to become a really proficient
UNIX-head.  I think what you want to do is, find the right place to
start that's relevant to what you want to do with the system, and move
at your own pace.

--Steve

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Stephen Wimberly
>  wrote:
>> What training would you request from an employer that
>> wants me to branch out into Unix support?
>
>  That depends on what kind of training works best for you.  (And
> maybe the flavor of *nix.)    I would certainly sit down with a test
> PC (or virtual machine), install a popular distro, and start playing.
> But without some accompanying learning resources, your learning won't
> be very efficient.
>
>  For example, if you like books, I can recommend /The UNIX and Linux
> System Administration Handbook/, by Nemeth, et. al.  Very good, very
> practical, very accessible.  There's also /Linux for Windows
> Administrators/, by Minasi, et. al.  It's a bit dated, and I wouldn't
> consider it a replacement for USAH, but it's a good companion.
>
>  If you prefer online resources, you're in luck: There are many.  Too
> many, possibly.  The Linux Documentation Project (http://tldp.org/) is
> a good place to start.  There are many HOWTO's that cover things at a
> detailed level.  And they're free.
>
>  If you like in-person classes, that's harder, since local is usually
> more convenient, and I don't know where you are.
>
>  The one bit of universal advice I can give you is: Make sure your
> employer is budgeting you *time* to do your learning.  No amount of
> money or resources will substitute.
>
> -- Ben
>
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RE: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-26 Thread Joseph L. Casale 
When you say 'Unix', you usually mean proprietary, so like a vendor specific 
implementation.

You using an IBM, see them, you using a Sun box, see them.

If you meant Linux, Red Hats training and (or more so) exam is regarded well.


From: Stephen Wimberly [riverside...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Training for Unix Support?

I have supported Microsoft products since 1992.  I am now being asked
to support our first Unix box.  Aside from the occasional install to
play around, I have ZERO Unix exposure.  What training would you
request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix
support?

Thank you

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Re: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-26 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr 
Unix administration training.

--
Espi




On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Stephen Wimberly
wrote:

> I have supported Microsoft products since 1992.  I am now being asked
> to support our first Unix box.  Aside from the occasional install to
> play around, I have ZERO Unix exposure.  What training would you
> request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix
> support?
>
> Thank you
>
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Re: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-26 Thread Ben Scott 
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Stephen Wimberly
 wrote:
> What training would you request from an employer that
> wants me to branch out into Unix support?

  That depends on what kind of training works best for you.  (And
maybe the flavor of *nix.)I would certainly sit down with a test
PC (or virtual machine), install a popular distro, and start playing.
But without some accompanying learning resources, your learning won't
be very efficient.

  For example, if you like books, I can recommend /The UNIX and Linux
System Administration Handbook/, by Nemeth, et. al.  Very good, very
practical, very accessible.  There's also /Linux for Windows
Administrators/, by Minasi, et. al.  It's a bit dated, and I wouldn't
consider it a replacement for USAH, but it's a good companion.

  If you prefer online resources, you're in luck: There are many.  Too
many, possibly.  The Linux Documentation Project (http://tldp.org/) is
a good place to start.  There are many HOWTO's that cover things at a
detailed level.  And they're free.

  If you like in-person classes, that's harder, since local is usually
more convenient, and I don't know where you are.

  The one bit of universal advice I can give you is: Make sure your
employer is budgeting you *time* to do your learning.  No amount of
money or resources will substitute.

-- Ben

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Re: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-26 Thread Kurt Buff 
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 12:50, Stephen Wimberly  wrote:
>
> I have supported Microsoft products since 1992.  I am now being asked
> to support our first Unix box.  Aside from the occasional install to
> play around, I have ZERO Unix exposure.  What training would you
> request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix
> support?

What distro? Redhat, CentOS, Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, Slackware, or any
of a hundred others? What functions is this box going to perform?

Also, how do you feel you learn best? Some folks want a good book and
a couple of machines, others want f2f classes, and some like online
training.

I have a fair amount of unix background (some Ubuntu, a smattering of
CentOS, but mostly FreeBSD, which is definitely not Linux), and would
for myself prefer a good book that is distro-specific, and however
many machines needed to make a good lab to replicate the environment
I'm going to support. Those machines might well be VMs on an ESXi box.

Kurt

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Re: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-26 Thread Rankin, James R 
Done much work with ESX? It will teach you a bit of UNIX from the console.

--Original Message--
From: Stephen Wimberly
To: NT System Admin Issues
ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Training for Unix Support?
Sent: 26 Jan 2012 20:50

I have supported Microsoft products since 1992.  I am now being asked
to support our first Unix box.  Aside from the occasional install to
play around, I have ZERO Unix exposure.  What training would you
request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix
support?

Thank you

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Re: Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-26 Thread Andrew S. Baker 
What flavor of UNIX?

One recommendation would be to pursue a certification in the particular
flavor your organization uses, and attend or obtain the requisite training
for it.

-ASB: http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Sent from my Motorola Droid RAZR
 On Jan 26, 2012 6:43 PM, "Stephen Wimberly"  wrote:

> I have supported Microsoft products since 1992.  I am now being asked
> to support our first Unix box.  Aside from the occasional install to
> play around, I have ZERO Unix exposure.  What training would you
> request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix
> support?
>
> Thank you
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Training for Unix Support?

2012-01-26 Thread Stephen Wimberly 
I have supported Microsoft products since 1992.  I am now being asked
to support our first Unix box.  Aside from the occasional install to
play around, I have ZERO Unix exposure.  What training would you
request from an employer that wants me to branch out into Unix
support?

Thank you

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