Re: [nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo--Second Thoughts
I'm a bit confused by the current discussion, so here is what I am wondering. Were there two birds present, a putative Bell's and a mischievous immature White-eyed? Or was there only one bird, a difficult to ID, immature White-eyed? Dick said he got some poor photos of the original bird. Have those been posted? Hugh On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:39 AM, Shaibal Mitra wrote: > I now think the bird I saw around mid-day yesterday was the same as the > bird seen and photographed earlier by Corey and Anthony and others, and I > think this bird is a White-eyed Vireo. Deb Allen obtained photos from the > mid-day observation, and these show a loral pattern more in line with WEVI > than Bell's--despite my and others' contrary impressions in the field. > > In retrospect, all but one of my pro-Bell's impressions (copied below) > involved subtle and quantitative distinctions assessed very briefly on a > small, active bird--factors conducive to error. The exception involves the > appearance of a dark trans-ocular, extending beyond the eye, which is > evident in the various photos, and which I still think is quite odd on a > WEVI. But even on this point, I should have known better. Way back in April > 1994, on the Dry Tortugas, I encountered a group of birders who had > identified a small vireo with a broken eye-ring as a Thick-billed Vireo. I > thought it looked like a White-eyed Vireo apart from its dark eye and > broken eye-ring, and my photos were important in correcting the > identification (in a process that played out over months, via US mail!). > > Anyway, my current thought is that there is a WEVI at Mt Loretto capable > of misleading even relatively experienced and wary observers. > > Shai Mitra > Bay Shore > > > > > From: bounce-64477220-3714...@list.cornell.edu [ > bounce-64477220-3714...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Shaibal Mitra [ > shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:24 PM > To: NYSBIRDS-L > Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo - yes 12:45 > > Hi Will and all, > > I saw the bird reported at 12:45 today and feel confident that it was a > Bell's Vireo. The face pattern was quite plain, recalling Warbling Vireo or > Orange-crowned Warbler; the supercilium was thin and vague; a dark > transocular continued beyond the eye; and thin pale crescents were present > above and below the eye. Contrary to the condition in White-eyed Vireo, the > front part of the supercilium was narrow and the area directly behind the > eye was dark. Furthermore, the bird appeared long-tailed and very small > (even smaller bodied than White-eyed), and it lacked bright, discrete > patches of yellow on the flanks (it showed a pale and ill-defined yellowish > wash there). I don't know if photos of this individual were obtained. > > Dick Veit noted an immature White-eyed Vireo at this site yesterday, but > we did not see that bird today (to our knowledge). Most disconcertingly, > there was a House Wren present today that seemed able, to both my ear and > Sean Sime's, to reproduce a shockingly faithful version of Bell's Vireo > song (it sometimes sang more typical House Wren songs also). Perhaps this > bird has received some audio-training in Bell's Vireo vocalizations over > the past two days? > > I just looked at Anthony's photos and am very puzzled. The face pattern, > particularly the broad pale area between the bill and the eye, appears very > different from that of the bird I just saw. On the other hand, there are > aspects of these photos that seem at odds for White-eyed Vireo, too. > Without closer study (I have to go to class now), I'm just not sure of how > to interpret these photos. > > Shai Mitra > Bay Shore > > > > Out of respect for others and the environment, the College of Staten > Island is a 100% Tobacco-Free Campus. > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > > -- Hugh McGuinness Washington, D.C. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo--Second Thoughts
I now think the bird I saw around mid-day yesterday was the same as the bird seen and photographed earlier by Corey and Anthony and others, and I think this bird is a White-eyed Vireo. Deb Allen obtained photos from the mid-day observation, and these show a loral pattern more in line with WEVI than Bell's--despite my and others' contrary impressions in the field. In retrospect, all but one of my pro-Bell's impressions (copied below) involved subtle and quantitative distinctions assessed very briefly on a small, active bird--factors conducive to error. The exception involves the appearance of a dark trans-ocular, extending beyond the eye, which is evident in the various photos, and which I still think is quite odd on a WEVI. But even on this point, I should have known better. Way back in April 1994, on the Dry Tortugas, I encountered a group of birders who had identified a small vireo with a broken eye-ring as a Thick-billed Vireo. I thought it looked like a White-eyed Vireo apart from its dark eye and broken eye-ring, and my photos were important in correcting the identification (in a process that played out over months, via US mail!). Anyway, my current thought is that there is a WEVI at Mt Loretto capable of misleading even relatively experienced and wary observers. Shai Mitra Bay Shore From: bounce-64477220-3714...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-64477220-3714...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Shaibal Mitra [shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:24 PM To: NYSBIRDS-L Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo - yes 12:45 Hi Will and all, I saw the bird reported at 12:45 today and feel confident that it was a Bell's Vireo. The face pattern was quite plain, recalling Warbling Vireo or Orange-crowned Warbler; the supercilium was thin and vague; a dark transocular continued beyond the eye; and thin pale crescents were present above and below the eye. Contrary to the condition in White-eyed Vireo, the front part of the supercilium was narrow and the area directly behind the eye was dark. Furthermore, the bird appeared long-tailed and very small (even smaller bodied than White-eyed), and it lacked bright, discrete patches of yellow on the flanks (it showed a pale and ill-defined yellowish wash there). I don't know if photos of this individual were obtained. Dick Veit noted an immature White-eyed Vireo at this site yesterday, but we did not see that bird today (to our knowledge). Most disconcertingly, there was a House Wren present today that seemed able, to both my ear and Sean Sime's, to reproduce a shockingly faithful version of Bell's Vireo song (it sometimes sang more typical House Wren songs also). Perhaps this bird has received some audio-training in Bell's Vireo vocalizations over the past two days? I just looked at Anthony's photos and am very puzzled. The face pattern, particularly the broad pale area between the bill and the eye, appears very different from that of the bird I just saw. On the other hand, there are aspects of these photos that seem at odds for White-eyed Vireo, too. Without closer study (I have to go to class now), I'm just not sure of how to interpret these photos. Shai Mitra Bay Shore Out of respect for others and the environment, the College of Staten Island is a 100% Tobacco-Free Campus. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo--Second Thoughts
I now think the bird I saw around mid-day yesterday was the same as the bird seen and photographed earlier by Corey and Anthony and others, and I think this bird is a White-eyed Vireo. Deb Allen obtained photos from the mid-day observation, and these show a loral pattern more in line with WEVI than Bell's--despite my and others' contrary impressions in the field. In retrospect, all but one of my pro-Bell's impressions (copied below) involved subtle and quantitative distinctions assessed very briefly on a small, active bird--factors conducive to error. The exception involves the appearance of a dark trans-ocular, extending beyond the eye, which is evident in the various photos, and which I still think is quite odd on a WEVI. But even on this point, I should have known better. Way back in April 1994, on the Dry Tortugas, I encountered a group of birders who had identified a small vireo with a broken eye-ring as a Thick-billed Vireo. I thought it looked like a White-eyed Vireo apart from its dark eye and broken eye-ring, and my photos were important in correcting the identification (in a process that played out over months, via US mail!). Anyway, my current thought is that there is a WEVI at Mt Loretto capable of misleading even relatively experienced and wary observers. Shai Mitra Bay Shore From: bounce-64477220-3714...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-64477220-3714...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Shaibal Mitra [shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:24 PM To: NYSBIRDS-L Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo - yes 12:45 Hi Will and all, I saw the bird reported at 12:45 today and feel confident that it was a Bell's Vireo. The face pattern was quite plain, recalling Warbling Vireo or Orange-crowned Warbler; the supercilium was thin and vague; a dark transocular continued beyond the eye; and thin pale crescents were present above and below the eye. Contrary to the condition in White-eyed Vireo, the front part of the supercilium was narrow and the area directly behind the eye was dark. Furthermore, the bird appeared long-tailed and very small (even smaller bodied than White-eyed), and it lacked bright, discrete patches of yellow on the flanks (it showed a pale and ill-defined yellowish wash there). I don't know if photos of this individual were obtained. Dick Veit noted an immature White-eyed Vireo at this site yesterday, but we did not see that bird today (to our knowledge). Most disconcertingly, there was a House Wren present today that seemed able, to both my ear and Sean Sime's, to reproduce a shockingly faithful version of Bell's Vireo song (it sometimes sang more typical House Wren songs also). Perhaps this bird has received some audio-training in Bell's Vireo vocalizations over the past two days? I just looked at Anthony's photos and am very puzzled. The face pattern, particularly the broad pale area between the bill and the eye, appears very different from that of the bird I just saw. On the other hand, there are aspects of these photos that seem at odds for White-eyed Vireo, too. Without closer study (I have to go to class now), I'm just not sure of how to interpret these photos. Shai Mitra Bay Shore Out of respect for others and the environment, the College of Staten Island is a 100% Tobacco-Free Campus. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo--Second Thoughts
I'm a bit confused by the current discussion, so here is what I am wondering. Were there two birds present, a putative Bell's and a mischievous immature White-eyed? Or was there only one bird, a difficult to ID, immature White-eyed? Dick said he got some poor photos of the original bird. Have those been posted? Hugh On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:39 AM, Shaibal Mitra shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.eduwrote: I now think the bird I saw around mid-day yesterday was the same as the bird seen and photographed earlier by Corey and Anthony and others, and I think this bird is a White-eyed Vireo. Deb Allen obtained photos from the mid-day observation, and these show a loral pattern more in line with WEVI than Bell's--despite my and others' contrary impressions in the field. In retrospect, all but one of my pro-Bell's impressions (copied below) involved subtle and quantitative distinctions assessed very briefly on a small, active bird--factors conducive to error. The exception involves the appearance of a dark trans-ocular, extending beyond the eye, which is evident in the various photos, and which I still think is quite odd on a WEVI. But even on this point, I should have known better. Way back in April 1994, on the Dry Tortugas, I encountered a group of birders who had identified a small vireo with a broken eye-ring as a Thick-billed Vireo. I thought it looked like a White-eyed Vireo apart from its dark eye and broken eye-ring, and my photos were important in correcting the identification (in a process that played out over months, via US mail!). Anyway, my current thought is that there is a WEVI at Mt Loretto capable of misleading even relatively experienced and wary observers. Shai Mitra Bay Shore From: bounce-64477220-3714...@list.cornell.edu [ bounce-64477220-3714...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Shaibal Mitra [ shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:24 PM To: NYSBIRDS-L Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo - yes 12:45 Hi Will and all, I saw the bird reported at 12:45 today and feel confident that it was a Bell's Vireo. The face pattern was quite plain, recalling Warbling Vireo or Orange-crowned Warbler; the supercilium was thin and vague; a dark transocular continued beyond the eye; and thin pale crescents were present above and below the eye. Contrary to the condition in White-eyed Vireo, the front part of the supercilium was narrow and the area directly behind the eye was dark. Furthermore, the bird appeared long-tailed and very small (even smaller bodied than White-eyed), and it lacked bright, discrete patches of yellow on the flanks (it showed a pale and ill-defined yellowish wash there). I don't know if photos of this individual were obtained. Dick Veit noted an immature White-eyed Vireo at this site yesterday, but we did not see that bird today (to our knowledge). Most disconcertingly, there was a House Wren present today that seemed able, to both my ear and Sean Sime's, to reproduce a shockingly faithful version of Bell's Vireo song (it sometimes sang more typical House Wren songs also). Perhaps this bird has received some audio-training in Bell's Vireo vocalizations over the past two days? I just looked at Anthony's photos and am very puzzled. The face pattern, particularly the broad pale area between the bill and the eye, appears very different from that of the bird I just saw. On the other hand, there are aspects of these photos that seem at odds for White-eyed Vireo, too. Without closer study (I have to go to class now), I'm just not sure of how to interpret these photos. Shai Mitra Bay Shore Out of respect for others and the environment, the College of Staten Island is a 100% Tobacco-Free Campus. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Hugh McGuinness Washington, D.C. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo
1. I have not gone out to see this bird; HOWEVER 2. Some years ago, I was certain that I had found a Bells Vireo in Prospect Park and then spent several hours examining specimen trays at AMNH. My recollections: All of the dead Bells Vireo specimens in the museum trays had ivory colored bills rather than the black of most vireos. It is not clear whether that is true of live birds or whether the live bills are even lighter than the bills of other vireo species. In the hand, the wing bars on Bells are beige on a gray background, hence quite subtle.Other species have brighter, more obvious, white or pale yellow wing bars on a black or nearly black background. General body coloration: The gray/olive coloration running over the top of the head and down to the upper back is somewhat similar to a first spring female solitarius; however, size matters: Bells vireos are significantly smaller than solitarius. The yellow flanks appearing in some pictures of Bells varies geographically, becoming yellower the farther east the specimen birds were found. Bob Gochfeld -Original Message- From: Shaibal Mitra To: NYSBIRDS-L Sent: Wed, Sep 12, 2012 2:24 pm Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo - yes 12:45 Hi Will and all, I saw the bird reported at 12:45 today and feel confident that it was a Bell's Vireo. The face pattern was quite plain, recalling Warbling Vireo or Orange-crowned Warbler; the supercilium was thin and vague; a dark transocular continued beyond the eye; and thin pale crescents were present above and below the eye. Contrary to the condition in White-eyed Vireo, the front part of the supercilium was narrow and the area directly behind the eye was dark. Furthermore, the bird appeared long-tailed and very small (even smaller bodied than White-eyed), and it lacked bright, discrete patches of yellow on the flanks (it showed a pale and ill-defined yellowish wash there). I don't know if photos of this individual were obtained. Dick Veit noted an immature White-eyed Vireo at this site yesterday, but we did not see that bird today (to our knowledge). Most disconcertingly, there was a House Wren present today that seemed able, to both my ear and Sean Sime's, to reproduce a shockingly faithful version of Bell's Vireo song (it sometimes sang more typical House Wren songs also). Perhaps this bird has received some audio-training in Bell's Vireo vocalizations over the past two days? I just looked at Anthony's photos and am very puzzled. The face pattern, particularly the broad pale area between the bill and the eye, appears very different from that of the bird I just saw. On the other hand, there are aspects of these photos that seem at odds for White-eyed Vireo, too. Without closer study (I have to go to class now), I'm just not sure of how to interpret these photos. Shai Mitra Bay Shore From: bounce-64476803-11143...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-64476803-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Will Raup [hoaryredp...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:58 PM To: rfr...@earthlink.net; NYSBIRDS-L; ebirds...@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo - yes 12:45 And we are sure this is a Bell's Vireo and not an immature WE Vireo? What else is being seen? Will Raup Albany, NY > Subject: [nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo - yes 12:45 > From: rfr...@earthlink.net > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:51:29 -0400 > To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu; ebirds...@yahoogroups.com > > The Bell's Vireo has just reappeared in the same spot in Mt. Loretto Unique Area - 12:45 pm. > > Rich Fried > NYC > > Sent from my iPhone > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Out of respect for others and the environment, the College of Staten Island is a 100% Tobacco-Free Campus. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/N
RE: [nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo - yes 12:45
Hi Will and all, I saw the bird reported at 12:45 today and feel confident that it was a Bell's Vireo. The face pattern was quite plain, recalling Warbling Vireo or Orange-crowned Warbler; the supercilium was thin and vague; a dark transocular continued beyond the eye; and thin pale crescents were present above and below the eye. Contrary to the condition in White-eyed Vireo, the front part of the supercilium was narrow and the area directly behind the eye was dark. Furthermore, the bird appeared long-tailed and very small (even smaller bodied than White-eyed), and it lacked bright, discrete patches of yellow on the flanks (it showed a pale and ill-defined yellowish wash there). I don't know if photos of this individual were obtained. Dick Veit noted an immature White-eyed Vireo at this site yesterday, but we did not see that bird today (to our knowledge). Most disconcertingly, there was a House Wren present today that seemed able, to both my ear and Sean Sime's, to reproduce a shockingly faithful version of Bell's Vireo song (it sometimes sang more typical House Wren songs also). Perhaps this bird has received some audio-training in Bell's Vireo vocalizations over the past two days? I just looked at Anthony's photos and am very puzzled. The face pattern, particularly the broad pale area between the bill and the eye, appears very different from that of the bird I just saw. On the other hand, there are aspects of these photos that seem at odds for White-eyed Vireo, too. Without closer study (I have to go to class now), I'm just not sure of how to interpret these photos. Shai Mitra Bay Shore From: bounce-64476803-11143...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-64476803-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Will Raup [hoaryredp...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:58 PM To: rfr...@earthlink.net; NYSBIRDS-L; ebirds...@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo - yes 12:45 And we are sure this is a Bell's Vireo and not an immature WE Vireo? What else is being seen? Will Raup Albany, NY > Subject: [nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo - yes 12:45 > From: rfr...@earthlink.net > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:51:29 -0400 > To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu; ebirds...@yahoogroups.com > > The Bell's Vireo has just reappeared in the same spot in Mt. Loretto Unique > Area - 12:45 pm. > > Rich Fried > NYC > > Sent from my iPhone > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Out of respect for others and the environment, the College of Staten Island is a 100% Tobacco-Free Campus. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo - yes 12:45
And we are sure this is a Bell's Vireo and not an immature WE Vireo? What else is being seen? Will Raup Albany, NY > Subject: [nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo - yes 12:45 > From: rfr...@earthlink.net > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:51:29 -0400 > To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu; ebirds...@yahoogroups.com > > The Bell's Vireo has just reappeared in the same spot in Mt. Loretto Unique > Area - 12:45 pm. > > Rich Fried > NYC > > Sent from my iPhone > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo - yes 12:45
The Bell's Vireo has just reappeared in the same spot in Mt. Loretto Unique Area - 12:45 pm. Rich Fried NYC Sent from my iPhone -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo
1. I have not gone out to see this bird; HOWEVER 2. Some years ago, I was certain that I had found a Bells Vireo in Prospect Park and then spent several hours examining specimen trays at AMNH. My recollections: All of the dead Bells Vireo specimens in the museum trays had ivory colored bills rather than the black of most vireos. It is not clear whether that is true of live birds or whether the live bills are even lighter than the bills of other vireo species. In the hand, the wing bars on Bells are beige on a gray background, hence quite subtle.Other species have brighter, more obvious, white or pale yellow wing bars on a black or nearly black background. General body coloration: The gray/olive coloration running over the top of the head and down to the upper back is somewhat similar to a first spring female solitarius; however, size matters: Bells vireos are significantly smaller than solitarius. The yellow flanks appearing in some pictures of Bells varies geographically, becoming yellower the farther east the specimen birds were found. Bob Gochfeld -Original Message- From: Shaibal Mitra shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu To: NYSBIRDS-L nysbirds-l@cornell.edu Sent: Wed, Sep 12, 2012 2:24 pm Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo - yes 12:45 Hi Will and all, I saw the bird reported at 12:45 today and feel confident that it was a Bell's Vireo. The face pattern was quite plain, recalling Warbling Vireo or Orange-crowned Warbler; the supercilium was thin and vague; a dark transocular continued beyond the eye; and thin pale crescents were present above and below the eye. Contrary to the condition in White-eyed Vireo, the front part of the supercilium was narrow and the area directly behind the eye was dark. Furthermore, the bird appeared long-tailed and very small (even smaller bodied than White-eyed), and it lacked bright, discrete patches of yellow on the flanks (it showed a pale and ill-defined yellowish wash there). I don't know if photos of this individual were obtained. Dick Veit noted an immature White-eyed Vireo at this site yesterday, but we did not see that bird today (to our knowledge). Most disconcertingly, there was a House Wren present today that seemed able, to both my ear and Sean Sime's, to reproduce a shockingly faithful version of Bell's Vireo song (it sometimes sang more typical House Wren songs also). Perhaps this bird has received some audio-training in Bell's Vireo vocalizations over the past two days? I just looked at Anthony's photos and am very puzzled. The face pattern, particularly the broad pale area between the bill and the eye, appears very different from that of the bird I just saw. On the other hand, there are aspects of these photos that seem at odds for White-eyed Vireo, too. Without closer study (I have to go to class now), I'm just not sure of how to interpret these photos. Shai Mitra Bay Shore From: bounce-64476803-11143...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-64476803-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Will Raup [hoaryredp...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:58 PM To: rfr...@earthlink.net; NYSBIRDS-L; ebirds...@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo - yes 12:45 And we are sure this is a Bell's Vireo and not an immature WE Vireo? What else is being seen? Will Raup Albany, NY Subject: [nysbirds-l] Bells Vireo - yes 12:45 From: rfr...@earthlink.net Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:51:29 -0400 To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu; ebirds...@yahoogroups.com The Bell's Vireo has just reappeared in the same spot in Mt. Loretto Unique Area - 12:45 pm. Rich Fried NYC Sent from my iPhone -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Out of respect for others and the environment, the College of Staten Island is a 100% Tobacco-Free Campus. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com
