Re: Connection leak problem with OJB RC3 on Weblogic 7.0 SP2

2003-08-14 Thread Armin Waibel
Hi,

there is no difference in intern handling between
PersistenceBroker broker =
 PersistenceBrokerFactory.defaultPersistenceBroker();
and
PersistenceBroker broker =
 PersistenceBrokerFactory.createPersistenceBroker(PBKey key)
First method is a convenience method for the second one. If
attribute default-connection=true set in jdbc-connection-descriptor
(with valid user/password) OJB build an intern PBKey used to
fulfil first method call.

Second method is recommended when:
- using more than on database/database user
- you don't want to declare user/passwd in repository file
If you only user one database and don't have a problem to declare
user/passwd in repository file, then there is no reason to use
convenience method.

  :) OJB turorial is not a best source for real applications .
Currently Brain McCallister is refactoring the tuturial stuff to
make things clearer.

regards,
Armin

- Original Message -
From: Gustafson, Scott F. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: OJB Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 2:25 PM
Subject: RE: Connection leak problem with OJB RC3 on Weblogic 7.0 SP2



 Beware of:
PersistenceBroker broker =
 PersistenceBrokerFactory.defaultPersistenceBroker();

 I ran into some threading issues when using it, after I switched to:
PersistenceBroker broker =
 PersistenceBrokerFactory.createPersistenceBroker(PBKey key)

 These problems went away, see an earlier thread Threadsafety of the
 PersistenceBroker default impl


 sg
  -Original Message-
  From: Alexander Prozor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:15 AM
  To: OJB Users List
  Subject: Re: Connection leak problem with OJB RC3 on Weblogic 7.0
SP2
 
 
  :) OJB turorial is not a best source for real applications .
  it's better to take a look to the unit tests code. as you can
  see in all tests broker closed:
  PersistenceBroker broker =
  PersistenceBrokerFactory.defaultPersistenceBroker();
  try
  {
 
  }
  finally
  {
  if (broker != null) broker.close();
  }
 
 
  Nope, actually I don't call the broker.close() method. Is it
  necessary?
  The example code didn't do that either and the JavaDoc says
  about the
  close()
  method:
  Close this PersistenceBroker so that no further requests
  may be made on it.
  A PersistenceBroker instance can be used only until it is
  closed. Closing a
  PersistenceBroker might release it to the pool of available
  PersistenceBrokers, or might be garbage collected, at the
  option of the
  implementation. 
  So it might release the broker instance to the pool, not the
  connection. Or
  does it automatically closes the underlying Connection object?
  
  I'll give a try anyway.
  
  
  
 
 
 

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RE: Connection leak problem with OJB RC3 on Weblogic 7.0 SP2

2003-08-14 Thread Bona, Peter (MED, TCS)
Nope, actually I don't call the broker.close() method. Is it necessary? The
example code didn't do that either and the JavaDoc says about the close()
method:
Close this PersistenceBroker so that no further requests may be made on it.
A PersistenceBroker instance can be used only until it is closed. Closing a
PersistenceBroker might release it to the pool of available
PersistenceBrokers, or might be garbage collected, at the option of the
implementation. 
So it might release the broker instance to the pool, not the connection. Or
does it automatically closes the underlying Connection object?

I'll give a try anyway.

-Original Message-
From: Alexander Prozor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 1:49 PM
To: OJB Users List
Subject: Re: Connection leak problem with OJB RC3 on Weblogic 7.0 SP2


Do you call
broker.clcse() method after storing/retriaving operations?

Hi,

I have got a problem with using OJB RC3 on Weblogic 7.0 SP2. 
In the Weblogic there's a connection pool and datasource set up. The OJB is
connecting to the database via this JNDI Datasource. No matter which
ConnectionFactoryClass I set in the OJB.properties, I always get a
connection leak error. Is it possible that the OJB doesn't close the
connection when it is not used anymore? 

I'd appreciate your help.
Thanks
Peter Bona

the exception:
Aug 13, 2003 10:37:36 AM CEST Warning JDBC   server-a
Finalizer kernel identity  001074 A JDBC pool connect ion leak was
detected. A Connection leak occurs when a connection obtained from
the pool was not closed explicitly by calling close() and then was disposed
by t
he garbage collector and returned to the connection pool. The following
stack tr
ace at create shows where the leaked connection was created.  Stack trace
at
con
nection create:

at weblogic.jdbc.pool.Connection.init(Connection.java:62)
at
weblogic.jdbc.common.internal.RmiDataSource.getPoolConnectionObj(RmiD
ataSource.java:284)
at
weblogic.jdbc.common.internal.RmiDataSource.getPoolConnection(RmiData
Source.java:252)
at
weblogic.jdbc.common.internal.RmiDataSource.getConnection(RmiDataSour
ce.java:270)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ConnectionFactoryAbstractImpl.newCo
nnectionFromDataSource(Unknown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ConnectionFactoryAbstractImpl.looku
pConnection(Unknown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ConnectionFactoryManagedImpl.lookup
Connection(Unknown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ConnectionManagerImpl.getConnection
   at
org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.StatementManager.getPreparedStateme
nt(Unknown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.JdbcAccessImpl.executeQuery(Unknown
 Source)
at org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.RsIterator.init(Unknown
Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.RsIteratorFactoryImpl.createRsIterator(Unk
nown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.PersistenceBrokerImpl.getRsIteratorFromQue
ry(Unknown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.PersistenceBrokerImpl.getIteratorFromQuery
(Unknown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.PersistenceBrokerImpl.getCollectionByQuery
(Unknown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.PersistenceBrokerImpl.getCollectionByQuery
(Unknown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.PersistenceBrokerImpl.getCollectionByQuery
(Unknown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.PersistenceBrokerImpl.getCollectionByQuery
(Unknown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.DelegatingPersistenceBroker.getCollectionB
yQuery(Unknown Source)

The corresponding OJB.properties (part of it):
#--
-
-
# ConnectionFactory / Default ConnectionPool
#--
-
-
# The ConnectionFactoryClass entry determines which kind of
ConnectionFactory
# is to be used within org.apache.ojb as connection factory.
# A ConnectionFactory is responsible for creating
# JDBC Connections. Current version ships four implementations:
#
# 1. ConnectionFactoryNotPooledImpl
#No pooling, no playing around.
#Every connection request returns a new connection,
#every connection release close the connection.
# 2. ConnectionFactoryPooledImpl
#This implementation supports connection pooling.
# 3. ConnectionFactoryDBCPImpl
#Using the jakarta-DBCP api for connection management, support
#connection- and prepared statement-pooling, abandoned connection
handling.
# 4. ConnectionFactoryManagedImpl
#Connection factory for use within managed environments - e.g. JBoss.
#Every obtained DataSource was wrapped within OJB (and ignore
#e.g. con.commit() calls within OJB).
#Use this implementation e.g if you use Datasources from an application
server.
#
# Use the OJB performance tests to decide, which implementation

RE: Connection leak problem with OJB RC3 on Weblogic 7.0 SP2

2003-08-14 Thread Gustafson, Scott F.

Beware of:   
   PersistenceBroker broker =
PersistenceBrokerFactory.defaultPersistenceBroker();

I ran into some threading issues when using it, after I switched to:
   PersistenceBroker broker =
PersistenceBrokerFactory.createPersistenceBroker(PBKey key)

These problems went away, see an earlier thread Threadsafety of the
PersistenceBroker default impl


sg
 -Original Message-
 From: Alexander Prozor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:15 AM
 To: OJB Users List
 Subject: Re: Connection leak problem with OJB RC3 on Weblogic 7.0 SP2
 
 
 :) OJB turorial is not a best source for real applications . 
 it's better to take a look to the unit tests code. as you can 
 see in all tests broker closed:
 PersistenceBroker broker = 
 PersistenceBrokerFactory.defaultPersistenceBroker();
 try
 {

 }
 finally
 {
 if (broker != null) broker.close();
 }
 
 
 Nope, actually I don't call the broker.close() method. Is it 
 necessary? 
 The example code didn't do that either and the JavaDoc says 
 about the 
 close()
 method:
 Close this PersistenceBroker so that no further requests 
 may be made on it.
 A PersistenceBroker instance can be used only until it is 
 closed. Closing a
 PersistenceBroker might release it to the pool of available
 PersistenceBrokers, or might be garbage collected, at the 
 option of the
 implementation. 
 So it might release the broker instance to the pool, not the 
 connection. Or
 does it automatically closes the underlying Connection object?
 
 I'll give a try anyway.
 
   
 
 
 
 
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Connection leak problem with OJB RC3 on Weblogic 7.0 SP2

2003-08-14 Thread Bona, Peter (MED, TCS)
Hi,

I have got a problem with using OJB RC3 on Weblogic 7.0 SP2. 
In the Weblogic there's a connection pool and datasource set up. The OJB is
connecting to the database via this JNDI Datasource. No matter which
ConnectionFactoryClass I set in the OJB.properties, I always get a
connection leak error. Is it possible that the OJB doesn't close the
connection when it is not used anymore? 

I'd appreciate your help.
Thanks
Peter Bona

the exception:
Aug 13, 2003 10:37:36 AM CEST Warning JDBC   server-a
Finalizer kernel identity  001074 A JDBC pool connect ion leak was
detected. A Connection leak occurs when a connection obtained from
the pool was not closed explicitly by calling close() and then was disposed
by t
he garbage collector and returned to the connection pool. The following
stack tr
ace at create shows where the leaked connection was created.  Stack trace at
con
nection create:

at weblogic.jdbc.pool.Connection.init(Connection.java:62)
at
weblogic.jdbc.common.internal.RmiDataSource.getPoolConnectionObj(RmiD
ataSource.java:284)
at
weblogic.jdbc.common.internal.RmiDataSource.getPoolConnection(RmiData
Source.java:252)
at
weblogic.jdbc.common.internal.RmiDataSource.getConnection(RmiDataSour
ce.java:270)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ConnectionFactoryAbstractImpl.newCo
nnectionFromDataSource(Unknown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ConnectionFactoryAbstractImpl.looku
pConnection(Unknown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ConnectionFactoryManagedImpl.lookup
Connection(Unknown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ConnectionManagerImpl.getConnection
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.StatementManager.getPreparedStateme
nt(Unknown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.JdbcAccessImpl.executeQuery(Unknown
 Source)
at org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.RsIterator.init(Unknown
Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.RsIteratorFactoryImpl.createRsIterator(Unk
nown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.PersistenceBrokerImpl.getRsIteratorFromQue
ry(Unknown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.PersistenceBrokerImpl.getIteratorFromQuery
(Unknown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.PersistenceBrokerImpl.getCollectionByQuery
(Unknown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.PersistenceBrokerImpl.getCollectionByQuery
(Unknown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.PersistenceBrokerImpl.getCollectionByQuery
(Unknown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.PersistenceBrokerImpl.getCollectionByQuery
(Unknown Source)
at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.DelegatingPersistenceBroker.getCollectionB
yQuery(Unknown Source)

The corresponding OJB.properties (part of it):
#---
-
# ConnectionFactory / Default ConnectionPool
#---
-
# The ConnectionFactoryClass entry determines which kind of
ConnectionFactory
# is to be used within org.apache.ojb as connection factory.
# A ConnectionFactory is responsible for creating
# JDBC Connections. Current version ships four implementations:
#
# 1. ConnectionFactoryNotPooledImpl
#No pooling, no playing around.
#Every connection request returns a new connection,
#every connection release close the connection.
# 2. ConnectionFactoryPooledImpl
#This implementation supports connection pooling.
# 3. ConnectionFactoryDBCPImpl
#Using the jakarta-DBCP api for connection management, support
#connection- and prepared statement-pooling, abandoned connection
handling.
# 4. ConnectionFactoryManagedImpl
#Connection factory for use within managed environments - e.g. JBoss.
#Every obtained DataSource was wrapped within OJB (and ignore
#e.g. con.commit() calls within OJB).
#Use this implementation e.g if you use Datasources from an application
server.
#
# Use the OJB performance tests to decide, which implementation is best for
you.
# The proper way of obtaining a connection is configured in
# JDBCConnectionDescriptor entries in the repository.xml file.
# If want a more fine grained control of each connection pool used by OJB,
# take a look at the repository.dtd, there was a possibility to override
# this default connection factory entry in each JDBCConnectionDescriptor.
#
#ConnectionFactoryClass=org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ConnectionFactoryP
ooledImpl
#ConnectionFactoryClass=org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ConnectionFactoryN
otPooledImpl
ConnectionFactoryClass=org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ConnectionFactoryMa
nagedImpl
#ConnectionFactoryClass=org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ConnectionFactoryD
BCPImpl

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Re: Connection leak problem with OJB RC3 on Weblogic 7.0 SP2

2003-08-14 Thread Armin Waibel
ups, typos
- Original Message -
From: Armin Waibel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: OJB Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: Connection leak problem with OJB RC3 on Weblogic 7.0 SP2


 Hi,

 there is no difference in intern handling between
 PersistenceBroker broker =
  PersistenceBrokerFactory.defaultPersistenceBroker();
 and
 PersistenceBroker broker =
  PersistenceBrokerFactory.createPersistenceBroker(PBKey key)
 First method is a convenience method for the second one. If
 attribute default-connection=true set in jdbc-connection-descriptor
 (with valid user/password) OJB build an intern PBKey used to
 fulfil first method call.

 Second method is recommended when:
 - using more than on database/database user
 - you don't want to declare user/passwd in repository file
###
 If you only use one database and don't have a problem to declare
 user/passwd in repository file, then there is no reason not to use
 convenience method.
### (does this make things clearer? ;-))

   :) OJB turorial is not a best source for real applications .
 Currently Brain McCallister is refactoring the tuturial stuff to
 make things clearer.

 regards,
 Armin

 - Original Message -
 From: Gustafson, Scott F. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: OJB Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 2:25 PM
 Subject: RE: Connection leak problem with OJB RC3 on Weblogic 7.0 SP2


 
  Beware of:
 PersistenceBroker broker =
  PersistenceBrokerFactory.defaultPersistenceBroker();
 
  I ran into some threading issues when using it, after I switched to:
 PersistenceBroker broker =
  PersistenceBrokerFactory.createPersistenceBroker(PBKey key)
 
  These problems went away, see an earlier thread Threadsafety of the
  PersistenceBroker default impl
 
 
  sg
   -Original Message-
   From: Alexander Prozor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:15 AM
   To: OJB Users List
   Subject: Re: Connection leak problem with OJB RC3 on Weblogic 7.0
 SP2
  
  
   :) OJB turorial is not a best source for real applications .
   it's better to take a look to the unit tests code. as you can
   see in all tests broker closed:
   PersistenceBroker broker =
   PersistenceBrokerFactory.defaultPersistenceBroker();
   try
   {
  
   }
   finally
   {
   if (broker != null) broker.close();
   }
  
  
   Nope, actually I don't call the broker.close() method. Is it
   necessary?
   The example code didn't do that either and the JavaDoc says
   about the
   close()
   method:
   Close this PersistenceBroker so that no further requests
   may be made on it.
   A PersistenceBroker instance can be used only until it is
   closed. Closing a
   PersistenceBroker might release it to the pool of available
   PersistenceBrokers, or might be garbage collected, at the
   option of the
   implementation. 
   So it might release the broker instance to the pool, not the
   connection. Or
   does it automatically closes the underlying Connection object?
   
   I'll give a try anyway.
   
   
   
  
  
  
 

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Re: Connection leak problem with OJB RC3 on Weblogic 7.0 SP2

2003-08-14 Thread Alexander Prozor
Do you call
broker.clcse() method after storing/retriaving operations?
Hi,

I have got a problem with using OJB RC3 on Weblogic 7.0 SP2. 
In the Weblogic there's a connection pool and datasource set up. The OJB is
connecting to the database via this JNDI Datasource. No matter which
ConnectionFactoryClass I set in the OJB.properties, I always get a
connection leak error. Is it possible that the OJB doesn't close the
connection when it is not used anymore? 

I'd appreciate your help.
Thanks
Peter Bona
the exception:
Aug 13, 2003 10:37:36 AM CEST Warning JDBC   server-a
Finalizer kernel identity  001074 A JDBC pool connect ion leak was
detected. A Connection leak occurs when a connection obtained from
the pool was not closed explicitly by calling close() and then was disposed
by t
he garbage collector and returned to the connection pool. The following
stack tr
ace at create shows where the leaked connection was created.  Stack trace at
con
nection create:
   at weblogic.jdbc.pool.Connection.init(Connection.java:62)
   at
weblogic.jdbc.common.internal.RmiDataSource.getPoolConnectionObj(RmiD
ataSource.java:284)
   at
weblogic.jdbc.common.internal.RmiDataSource.getPoolConnection(RmiData
Source.java:252)
   at
weblogic.jdbc.common.internal.RmiDataSource.getConnection(RmiDataSour
ce.java:270)
   at
org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ConnectionFactoryAbstractImpl.newCo
nnectionFromDataSource(Unknown Source)
   at
org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ConnectionFactoryAbstractImpl.looku
pConnection(Unknown Source)
   at
org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ConnectionFactoryManagedImpl.lookup
Connection(Unknown Source)
   at
org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ConnectionManagerImpl.getConnection
	at
org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.StatementManager.getPreparedStateme
nt(Unknown Source)
   at
org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.JdbcAccessImpl.executeQuery(Unknown
Source)
   at org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.RsIterator.init(Unknown
Source)
   at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.RsIteratorFactoryImpl.createRsIterator(Unk
nown Source)
   at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.PersistenceBrokerImpl.getRsIteratorFromQue
ry(Unknown Source)
   at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.PersistenceBrokerImpl.getIteratorFromQuery
(Unknown Source)
   at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.PersistenceBrokerImpl.getCollectionByQuery
(Unknown Source)
   at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.PersistenceBrokerImpl.getCollectionByQuery
(Unknown Source)
   at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.PersistenceBrokerImpl.getCollectionByQuery
(Unknown Source)
   at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.PersistenceBrokerImpl.getCollectionByQuery
(Unknown Source)
   at
org.apache.ojb.broker.core.DelegatingPersistenceBroker.getCollectionB
yQuery(Unknown Source)
   
The corresponding OJB.properties (part of it):
#---
-
# ConnectionFactory / Default ConnectionPool
#---
-
# The ConnectionFactoryClass entry determines which kind of
ConnectionFactory
# is to be used within org.apache.ojb as connection factory.
# A ConnectionFactory is responsible for creating
# JDBC Connections. Current version ships four implementations:
#
# 1. ConnectionFactoryNotPooledImpl
#No pooling, no playing around.
#Every connection request returns a new connection,
#every connection release close the connection.
# 2. ConnectionFactoryPooledImpl
#This implementation supports connection pooling.
# 3. ConnectionFactoryDBCPImpl
#Using the jakarta-DBCP api for connection management, support
#connection- and prepared statement-pooling, abandoned connection
handling.
# 4. ConnectionFactoryManagedImpl
#Connection factory for use within managed environments - e.g. JBoss.
#Every obtained DataSource was wrapped within OJB (and ignore
#e.g. con.commit() calls within OJB).
#Use this implementation e.g if you use Datasources from an application
server.
#
# Use the OJB performance tests to decide, which implementation is best for
you.
# The proper way of obtaining a connection is configured in
# JDBCConnectionDescriptor entries in the repository.xml file.
# If want a more fine grained control of each connection pool used by OJB,
# take a look at the repository.dtd, there was a possibility to override
# this default connection factory entry in each JDBCConnectionDescriptor.
#
#ConnectionFactoryClass=org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ConnectionFactoryP
ooledImpl
#ConnectionFactoryClass=org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ConnectionFactoryN
otPooledImpl
ConnectionFactoryClass=org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ConnectionFactoryMa
nagedImpl
#ConnectionFactoryClass=org.apache.ojb.broker.accesslayer.ConnectionFactoryD
BCPImpl

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RE: Connection leak problem with OJB RC3 on Weblogic 7.0 SP2

2003-08-14 Thread Bona, Peter (MED, TCS)
Thanks Alexander, it seems that was indeed the problem.



-Original Message-
From: Alexander Prozor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 2:15 PM
To: OJB Users List
Subject: Re: Connection leak problem with OJB RC3 on Weblogic 7.0 SP2


:) OJB turorial is not a best source for real applications .
it's better to take a look to the unit tests code.
as you can see in all tests broker closed:
PersistenceBroker broker = 
PersistenceBrokerFactory.defaultPersistenceBroker();
try
{
   
}
finally
{
if (broker != null) broker.close();
}


Nope, actually I don't call the broker.close() method. Is it necessary? The
example code didn't do that either and the JavaDoc says about the close()
method:
Close this PersistenceBroker so that no further requests may be made on
it.
A PersistenceBroker instance can be used only until it is closed. Closing a
PersistenceBroker might release it to the pool of available
PersistenceBrokers, or might be garbage collected, at the option of the
implementation. 
So it might release the broker instance to the pool, not the connection. Or
does it automatically closes the underlying Connection object?

I'll give a try anyway.

  




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Re: Connection leak problem with OJB RC3 on Weblogic 7.0 SP2

2003-08-14 Thread Alexander Prozor
:) OJB turorial is not a best source for real applications .
it's better to take a look to the unit tests code.
as you can see in all tests broker closed:
   PersistenceBroker broker = 
PersistenceBrokerFactory.defaultPersistenceBroker();
   try
   {
  
   }
   finally
   {
   if (broker != null) broker.close();
   }


Nope, actually I don't call the broker.close() method. Is it necessary? The
example code didn't do that either and the JavaDoc says about the close()
method:
Close this PersistenceBroker so that no further requests may be made on it.
A PersistenceBroker instance can be used only until it is closed. Closing a
PersistenceBroker might release it to the pool of available
PersistenceBrokers, or might be garbage collected, at the option of the
implementation. 
So it might release the broker instance to the pool, not the connection. Or
does it automatically closes the underlying Connection object?
I'll give a try anyway.

 



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Re: Connection leak problem with OJB RC3 on Weblogic 7.0 SP2

2003-08-14 Thread Clay Mitchell
When will we see some *real* documentation? I've got a pretty big 
application that's being planned out now that will (hopefully) use OJB, 
and some real-world documentation would be nice :)

-Clay

Armin Waibel wrote:

:) OJB turorial is not a best source for real applications .
Currently Brain McCallister is refactoring the tuturial stuff to
make things clearer.




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