Re: [Oorexx-devel] A couple of questions about the NSIS script.

2014-06-09 Thread Mark Miesfeld
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Rick McGuire  wrote:

>
> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Mark Miesfeld  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Rick McGuire 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Spotted a couple of things about the how the NSIS script is currently
>>> set up:
>>>
>>> 1)  We're setting the variable NODOTVER on the makensis command line,
>>> but I don't see any references to this in the script.  Is this still needed?
>>>
>>
>> It was used for the exe name, i.e. ooRexx430-x86_64.  I switched to using
>> 4.3.0.10145 instead.  So, it's not needed anymore.
>>
> It's still being used in the .EXE file:
>
>   OutFile "${SHORTNAME}.${VERSION}-${CPU}.exe"
>
>
No: makensis /DVERSION=x.x /DNODOTVER=xx ...

${VERSION} is the dotted version

>
> It is also being used to set a bitness value in the registry.
>
>
I think the CPU word is is used to set the bitness ...


>
>
>>
>>
>>> 2) The makensis command line is setting the variable CPU to either "x32"
>>> or "x64", but the script code is testing for the value "x86_64".  One of
>>> these probably has to change...which one?
>>>
>>
>> It should be x86_64.  A change I didn't notice in the new build process.
>>
>
> What should the 32-bit version be?
>

x86_32

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Re: [Oorexx-devel] A couple of questions about the NSIS script.

2014-06-09 Thread Rick McGuire
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Mark Miesfeld  wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Rick McGuire 
> wrote:
>
>> Spotted a couple of things about the how the NSIS script is currently set
>> up:
>>
>> 1)  We're setting the variable NODOTVER on the makensis command line, but
>> I don't see any references to this in the script.  Is this still needed?
>>
>
> It was used for the exe name, i.e. ooRexx430-x86_64.  I switched to using
> 4.3.0.10145 instead.  So, it's not needed anymore.
>
It's still being used in the .EXE file:

  OutFile "${SHORTNAME}.${VERSION}-${CPU}.exe"


It is also being used to set a bitness value in the registry.



>
>
>> 2) The makensis command line is setting the variable CPU to either "x32"
>> or "x64", but the script code is testing for the value "x86_64".  One of
>> these probably has to change...which one?
>>
>
> It should be x86_64.  A change I didn't notice in the new build process.
>

What should the 32-bit version be?

Rick

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Re: [Oorexx-devel] A couple of questions about the NSIS script.

2014-06-09 Thread Mark Miesfeld
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Rick McGuire  wrote:

> Spotted a couple of things about the how the NSIS script is currently set
> up:
>
> 1)  We're setting the variable NODOTVER on the makensis command line, but
> I don't see any references to this in the script.  Is this still needed?
>

It was used for the exe name, i.e. ooRexx430-x86_64.  I switched to using
4.3.0.10145 instead.  So, it's not needed anymore.


> 2) The makensis command line is setting the variable CPU to either "x32"
> or "x64", but the script code is testing for the value "x86_64".  One of
> these probably has to change...which one?
>

It should be x86_64.  A change I didn't notice in the new build process.

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Re: [Oorexx-devel] A couple of questions about the NSIS script.

2014-06-09 Thread Rick McGuire
Well, it matters here, because we're passing in x64 or x32 and the code is
looking for x86_64.  So either the command line is not passing the correct
value, or the code is testing for the wrong one.

Rick


On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Michael Lueck 
wrote:

> Rick McGuire wrote:
> > "x64", but the script code is testing for the value "x86_64".  One of
> these probably has to change...which one?
>
>
> I suppose x64 could mean any 64-bit chip, not specifically Intel
> comparable. IA64 comes to mind. I would lean towards spelling out "x86_64".
>
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Re: [Oorexx-devel] A couple of questions about the NSIS script.

2014-06-09 Thread Michael Lueck
Rick McGuire wrote:
> "x64", but the script code is testing for the value "x86_64".  One of these 
> probably has to change...which one?


I suppose x64 could mean any 64-bit chip, not specifically Intel comparable. 
IA64 comes to mind. I would lean towards spelling out "x86_64".

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Re: [Oorexx-devel] A couple of questions about the NSIS script.

2014-06-09 Thread David Ashley
Not sure about #1 but for #2 I would always test for 64 bit, but that is
just my preference. I don't think it really matters a whole lot.

David Ashley

On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 16:24 -0400, Rick McGuire wrote:
> Spotted a couple of things about the how the NSIS script is currently
> set up:
> 
> 
> 1)  We're setting the variable NODOTVER on the makensis command line,
> but I don't see any references to this in the script.  Is this still
> needed?
> 
> 
> 2) The makensis command line is setting the variable CPU to either
> "x32" or "x64", but the script code is testing for the value
> "x86_64".  One of these probably has to change...which one?
> 
> 
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Re: [Oorexx-devel] Future CPU Architecture Decisions

2014-06-09 Thread CVBruce

On Jun 9, 2014, at 10:50 AM, David Ashley wrote:

> The bottom line is that any library or application that is 32 bit only
> would not be usable in a 64 bit operating system.
   ^--- Windows

Right now I have 135 processes running of which 24 are 32bit X86 and the rest 
are 64bit.  Can't speak for windows.  

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[Oorexx-devel] A couple of questions about the NSIS script.

2014-06-09 Thread Rick McGuire
Spotted a couple of things about the how the NSIS script is currently set
up:

1)  We're setting the variable NODOTVER on the makensis command line, but I
don't see any references to this in the script.  Is this still needed?

2) The makensis command line is setting the variable CPU to either "x32" or
"x64", but the script code is testing for the value "x86_64".  One of these
probably has to change...which one?

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Re: [Oorexx-devel] Future CPU Architecture Decisions

2014-06-09 Thread Mark Miesfeld
Jon,

You don't need to be overly concerned with this, in my opinion.

The ooRexx code base builds on both 32-bit and 64-bit Windows and will
continue to build that way as long as your current machines are still
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On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers <
sahana...@windhorse.biz> wrote:

> Just speaking for myself here:
>
> I have upwards of 70 machines I am responsible for running ooRexx on 32Bit
> processors (Celeron 430, Pentium 4, Northwood, Celeron M320, Barias,
> Coppermine etc..).
> They are all running Windows OSs (Mainly the now defunct XP).
> Nearly half of them are tills, so expensive to replace and built like
> tanks to last forever.
>
> I think from what David said, the question is only about ending 32Bit
> support on some or all linux distros, or is the suggestion to end all
> support for 32bit ooRexx?
>
> thanks,
>
> Jon
>
>
>
> On 9 June 2014 18:50, David Ashley  wrote:
>
>> The bottom line is that any library or application that is 32 bit only
>> would not be usable in a 64 bit operating system. Perhaps the most
>> obvious library is the IBM DB2 Rexx libraries. These are 32 bit only (no
>> 64 bit libraries exist) and would not work on a 64 bit OS, no matter
>> what version of ooRexx you would use with it. A replacement library
>> would need to be found.
>>
>> Maybe this is also a good point to address Windows. At this point
>> Microsoft has not announced anything about dropping support for 32 bit
>> libraries/apps. So I think that we can safely assume Microsoft will
>> continue to support 32 bit apps and libraries since the number of 32 bit
>> only apps is still very large. Indeed, IMHO Microsoft may never be able
>> to give up 32 bit support entirely. They are between their OS rock and
>> their user apps hard place.
>>
>> David Ashley
>>
>> On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 18:19 +0100, Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers wrote:
>> > Hi David
>> >
>> >
>> > Could you just lay out for us what that would mean in terms of users
>> > still on 32bit machines and also those reliant on extensions like rexx
>> > \sql, rexxCurl etc.
>> >
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> >
>> >
>> > Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Oorexx-devel] Future CPU Architecture Decisions

2014-06-09 Thread Rick McGuire
No, David is definitely not suggesting adding all 32-bit support.

Rick


On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers <
sahana...@windhorse.biz> wrote:

> Just speaking for myself here:
>
> I have upwards of 70 machines I am responsible for running ooRexx on 32Bit
> processors (Celeron 430, Pentium 4, Northwood, Celeron M320, Barias,
> Coppermine etc..).
> They are all running Windows OSs (Mainly the now defunct XP).
> Nearly half of them are tills, so expensive to replace and built like
> tanks to last forever.
>
> I think from what David said, the question is only about ending 32Bit
> support on some or all linux distros, or is the suggestion to end all
> support for 32bit ooRexx?
>
> thanks,
>
> Jon
>
>
>
> On 9 June 2014 18:50, David Ashley  wrote:
>
>> The bottom line is that any library or application that is 32 bit only
>> would not be usable in a 64 bit operating system. Perhaps the most
>> obvious library is the IBM DB2 Rexx libraries. These are 32 bit only (no
>> 64 bit libraries exist) and would not work on a 64 bit OS, no matter
>> what version of ooRexx you would use with it. A replacement library
>> would need to be found.
>>
>> Maybe this is also a good point to address Windows. At this point
>> Microsoft has not announced anything about dropping support for 32 bit
>> libraries/apps. So I think that we can safely assume Microsoft will
>> continue to support 32 bit apps and libraries since the number of 32 bit
>> only apps is still very large. Indeed, IMHO Microsoft may never be able
>> to give up 32 bit support entirely. They are between their OS rock and
>> their user apps hard place.
>>
>> David Ashley
>>
>> On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 18:19 +0100, Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers wrote:
>> > Hi David
>> >
>> >
>> > Could you just lay out for us what that would mean in terms of users
>> > still on 32bit machines and also those reliant on extensions like rexx
>> > \sql, rexxCurl etc.
>> >
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> >
>> >
>> > Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Oorexx-devel] Future CPU Architecture Decisions

2014-06-09 Thread Mike Cowlishaw
 
> Maybe this is also a good point to address Windows. At this 
> point Microsoft has not announced anything about dropping 
> support for 32 bit libraries/apps. So I think that we can 
> safely assume Microsoft will continue to support 32 bit apps 
> and libraries since the number of 32 bit only apps is still 
> very large. Indeed, IMHO Microsoft may never be able to give 
> up 32 bit support entirely. They are between their OS rock 
> and their user apps hard place.

Actually a rather comfortable place.  As a 'user' I don't have any app that
needs 64-bit.  I use FSX .. but that doesn't need 64-bit, just a good graphics
card.

Not many tablets or 'phones are 64-bit, either, despite their Linux kernels.  I
suspect 64-bit is really for servers, these days, which is where *ix excels.

Mike


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Re: [Oorexx-devel] Future CPU Architecture Decisions

2014-06-09 Thread Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers
Just speaking for myself here:

I have upwards of 70 machines I am responsible for running ooRexx on 32Bit
processors (Celeron 430, Pentium 4, Northwood, Celeron M320, Barias,
Coppermine etc..).
They are all running Windows OSs (Mainly the now defunct XP).
Nearly half of them are tills, so expensive to replace and built like tanks
to last forever.

I think from what David said, the question is only about ending 32Bit
support on some or all linux distros, or is the suggestion to end all
support for 32bit ooRexx?

thanks,

Jon



On 9 June 2014 18:50, David Ashley  wrote:

> The bottom line is that any library or application that is 32 bit only
> would not be usable in a 64 bit operating system. Perhaps the most
> obvious library is the IBM DB2 Rexx libraries. These are 32 bit only (no
> 64 bit libraries exist) and would not work on a 64 bit OS, no matter
> what version of ooRexx you would use with it. A replacement library
> would need to be found.
>
> Maybe this is also a good point to address Windows. At this point
> Microsoft has not announced anything about dropping support for 32 bit
> libraries/apps. So I think that we can safely assume Microsoft will
> continue to support 32 bit apps and libraries since the number of 32 bit
> only apps is still very large. Indeed, IMHO Microsoft may never be able
> to give up 32 bit support entirely. They are between their OS rock and
> their user apps hard place.
>
> David Ashley
>
> On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 18:19 +0100, Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers wrote:
> > Hi David
> >
> >
> > Could you just lay out for us what that would mean in terms of users
> > still on 32bit machines and also those reliant on extensions like rexx
> > \sql, rexxCurl etc.
> >
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> >
> > Jon
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Oorexx-devel] Future CPU Architecture Decisions

2014-06-09 Thread David Ashley
The bottom line is that any library or application that is 32 bit only
would not be usable in a 64 bit operating system. Perhaps the most
obvious library is the IBM DB2 Rexx libraries. These are 32 bit only (no
64 bit libraries exist) and would not work on a 64 bit OS, no matter
what version of ooRexx you would use with it. A replacement library
would need to be found.

Maybe this is also a good point to address Windows. At this point
Microsoft has not announced anything about dropping support for 32 bit
libraries/apps. So I think that we can safely assume Microsoft will
continue to support 32 bit apps and libraries since the number of 32 bit
only apps is still very large. Indeed, IMHO Microsoft may never be able
to give up 32 bit support entirely. They are between their OS rock and
their user apps hard place.

David Ashley

On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 18:19 +0100, Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers wrote:
> Hi David
> 
> 
> Could you just lay out for us what that would mean in terms of users
> still on 32bit machines and also those reliant on extensions like rexx
> \sql, rexxCurl etc.
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
> 
> Jon




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Re: [Oorexx-devel] Future CPU Architecture Decisions

2014-06-09 Thread Michael Lueck
David Ashley wrote:
> It looks like the new Red Hat EL 7.0 will only be available in x86_64
> format (no i384/486/586/686 version).


I seem to recall reading something about an end of x86 coming to Ubuntu as well.

What ever point the distro vendors stop x86 support, obviously ooRexx will not 
be built in an x86 version for those new distro versions.

Like with supporting Windows 2000 builds of ooRexx, at some point backward 
compatibility will become impossible.

Ubuntu 14.04 LTS has five years of support, and has an x86 version. So while 
that means x86 code is supported there out to 2019, I would foresee less and 
less demand for the x86 version as the years 
go by.

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Re: [Oorexx-devel] Future CPU Architecture Decisions

2014-06-09 Thread Rick McGuire
Well, if you are still on a 32-bit machine, you won't be able to upgrade to
those 64-bit versions, although I think you'll find that every Intel or AMD
machine produced in the last 10 years can actually handle a 64-bit install.


If is only when you install a 64-bit OS and are also forced to install a
64-bit ooRexx that you'll see a problem.  You will need to install 64-bit
versions of those extension libraries as well.  The good news is most of
those are produced by Mark Hessling, who is probably also facing the same
thing with Regina.

Rick


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sahana...@windhorse.biz> wrote:

> Hi David
>
> Could you just lay out for us what that would mean in terms of users still
> on 32bit machines and also those reliant on extensions like rexx\sql,
> rexxCurl etc.
>
> thanks,
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
> On 9 June 2014 17:20, David Ashley  wrote:
>
>> The short answer is no. The longer answer is that if you also load the
>> 32 bit base libraries then the answer is yes. But the question is
>> whether or not those libraries will be available. I think the answer is
>> probably no on that one, but I could be wrong. The basic ide here is to
>> move to 64 bit and break support for 32 bit.
>>
>> David Ashley
>>
>> On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 11:51 -0400, Rick McGuire wrote:
>> > Does the 64-bit format still support running 32-bit executables?
>> >
>> >
>> > Rick
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:45 AM, David Ashley
>> >  wrote:
>> > This is just something I am throwing out there with some
>> > information
>> > added so everyone can think about it.
>> >
>> > It looks like the new Red Hat EL 7.0 will only be available in
>> > x86_64
>> > format (no i384/486/586/686 version). And I am hearing that
>> > Fedora may
>> > follow that strategy with the Fedora21 release coming late
>> > this year. I
>> > can only guess that other distributions will consider also
>> > following
>> > along on this.
>> >
>> > So I think we need to ask ourselves if there are products that
>> > are
>> > strategic for us that are not 64 bit friendly. If there are,
>> > then we
>> > need a strategy for dealing with this problem going forward.
>> > And if
>> > ooRexx also has 32 bit only libraries/programs, we also need
>> > to address
>> > that.
>> >
>> > At this point I am not putting forward the proposition that we
>> > should
>> > stop 32 bit development/support, but we should keep in mind
>> > the
>> > direction the OS distributions are going before doing serious
>> > development work that may or may not stand the test of time.
>> >
>> > David Ashley
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Oorexx-devel] Future CPU Architecture Decisions

2014-06-09 Thread Sahananda (Jon) Wolfers
Hi David

Could you just lay out for us what that would mean in terms of users still
on 32bit machines and also those reliant on extensions like rexx\sql,
rexxCurl etc.

thanks,

Jon




On 9 June 2014 17:20, David Ashley  wrote:

> The short answer is no. The longer answer is that if you also load the
> 32 bit base libraries then the answer is yes. But the question is
> whether or not those libraries will be available. I think the answer is
> probably no on that one, but I could be wrong. The basic ide here is to
> move to 64 bit and break support for 32 bit.
>
> David Ashley
>
> On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 11:51 -0400, Rick McGuire wrote:
> > Does the 64-bit format still support running 32-bit executables?
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:45 AM, David Ashley
> >  wrote:
> > This is just something I am throwing out there with some
> > information
> > added so everyone can think about it.
> >
> > It looks like the new Red Hat EL 7.0 will only be available in
> > x86_64
> > format (no i384/486/586/686 version). And I am hearing that
> > Fedora may
> > follow that strategy with the Fedora21 release coming late
> > this year. I
> > can only guess that other distributions will consider also
> > following
> > along on this.
> >
> > So I think we need to ask ourselves if there are products that
> > are
> > strategic for us that are not 64 bit friendly. If there are,
> > then we
> > need a strategy for dealing with this problem going forward.
> > And if
> > ooRexx also has 32 bit only libraries/programs, we also need
> > to address
> > that.
> >
> > At this point I am not putting forward the proposition that we
> > should
> > stop 32 bit development/support, but we should keep in mind
> > the
> > direction the OS distributions are going before doing serious
> > development work that may or may not stand the test of time.
> >
> > David Ashley
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Oorexx-devel] Future CPU Architecture Decisions

2014-06-09 Thread David Ashley
The short answer is no. The longer answer is that if you also load the
32 bit base libraries then the answer is yes. But the question is
whether or not those libraries will be available. I think the answer is
probably no on that one, but I could be wrong. The basic ide here is to
move to 64 bit and break support for 32 bit.

David Ashley

On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 11:51 -0400, Rick McGuire wrote:
> Does the 64-bit format still support running 32-bit executables?
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:45 AM, David Ashley
>  wrote:
> This is just something I am throwing out there with some
> information
> added so everyone can think about it.
> 
> It looks like the new Red Hat EL 7.0 will only be available in
> x86_64
> format (no i384/486/586/686 version). And I am hearing that
> Fedora may
> follow that strategy with the Fedora21 release coming late
> this year. I
> can only guess that other distributions will consider also
> following
> along on this.
> 
> So I think we need to ask ourselves if there are products that
> are
> strategic for us that are not 64 bit friendly. If there are,
> then we
> need a strategy for dealing with this problem going forward.
> And if
> ooRexx also has 32 bit only libraries/programs, we also need
> to address
> that.
> 
> At this point I am not putting forward the proposition that we
> should
> stop 32 bit development/support, but we should keep in mind
> the
> direction the OS distributions are going before doing serious
> development work that may or may not stand the test of time.
> 
> David Ashley
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Oorexx-devel] Future CPU Architecture Decisions

2014-06-09 Thread Rick McGuire
Does the 64-bit format still support running 32-bit executables?

Rick


On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:45 AM, David Ashley 
wrote:

> This is just something I am throwing out there with some information
> added so everyone can think about it.
>
> It looks like the new Red Hat EL 7.0 will only be available in x86_64
> format (no i384/486/586/686 version). And I am hearing that Fedora may
> follow that strategy with the Fedora21 release coming late this year. I
> can only guess that other distributions will consider also following
> along on this.
>
> So I think we need to ask ourselves if there are products that are
> strategic for us that are not 64 bit friendly. If there are, then we
> need a strategy for dealing with this problem going forward. And if
> ooRexx also has 32 bit only libraries/programs, we also need to address
> that.
>
> At this point I am not putting forward the proposition that we should
> stop 32 bit development/support, but we should keep in mind the
> direction the OS distributions are going before doing serious
> development work that may or may not stand the test of time.
>
> David Ashley
>
>
>
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[Oorexx-devel] Future CPU Architecture Decisions

2014-06-09 Thread David Ashley
This is just something I am throwing out there with some information
added so everyone can think about it.

It looks like the new Red Hat EL 7.0 will only be available in x86_64
format (no i384/486/586/686 version). And I am hearing that Fedora may
follow that strategy with the Fedora21 release coming late this year. I
can only guess that other distributions will consider also following
along on this.

So I think we need to ask ourselves if there are products that are
strategic for us that are not 64 bit friendly. If there are, then we
need a strategy for dealing with this problem going forward. And if
ooRexx also has 32 bit only libraries/programs, we also need to address
that.

At this point I am not putting forward the proposition that we should
stop 32 bit development/support, but we should keep in mind the
direction the OS distributions are going before doing serious
development work that may or may not stand the test of time.

David Ashley


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Re: [Oorexx-devel] NSIS installer and CPack

2014-06-09 Thread Rick McGuire
I did this in then nsis template file...it was a pretty easy change.

Rick

On Monday, June 9, 2014, Mark Miesfeld  wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Rick McGuire  > wrote:
>
>>
>> btw, do we still need the isNT tests in the .nsi file?  We can eliminate
>> one include file if those are no longer needed.
>>
>
> We don't really need it.  But, if we remove it, the section for setting
> the path needs to be fixed up, if I recall correctly.
>
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Re: [Oorexx-devel] NSIS installer and CPack

2014-06-09 Thread Mark Miesfeld
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Rick McGuire  wrote:

>
> btw, do we still need the isNT tests in the .nsi file?  We can eliminate
> one include file if those are no longer needed.
>

We don't really need it.  But, if we remove it, the section for setting the
path needs to be fixed up, if I recall correctly.

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Re: [Oorexx-devel] NSIS installer and CPack

2014-06-09 Thread Rick McGuire
Yeah, configure_file() is a useful command.  I'm actually making good
progress with this (in stages).  My current plan is to generate include
files for both the component file manifests and the shortcuts (the
shortcuts are done).  This will all get created in build directory, the
.nsi file well get configured into that same directory, the include files
will get copied there as well, and we can build.  The template will just
include the appropriate component files in the required places and this
should work fine.

btw, do we still need the isNT tests in the .nsi file?  We can eliminate
one include file if those are no longer needed.

Rick


On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Mark Miesfeld  wrote:

> Rick,
>
> Okay.
>
> The configure_file() command looks promising.  That's what I was trying to
> do yesterday by using a NSIS.template.in file that was a copy of our old
> oorexx.nsi file and just have variables for the /D options.  But, it didn't
> work at all.
>
> --
> Mark Miesfeld
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 2:50 AM, Rick McGuire 
> wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> One of the difficulties with converting our file to an NSIS template was
>> getting around which variables in the template are done by directly
>> substituting variables from the CMake file and which ones are done via the
>> generator.  In particular, the generator was causing me the biggest issues.
>>  Now that I know how things are getting built, I believe it possible to
>> construct the file list and short cuts in CMake code and then use the
>> configure_file() command to create the .nsi from a template.  This would
>> also eliminate the need to pass a bunch of -D values to the makensis
>> command...all of that would be handled by the template substitution.
>>
>> At any rate, that is a sandbox project, I think, but I believe it doable.
>>  We should try to keep the install() commands in the CMake file as
>> up-to-date as possible, even though they are not doing anything for us at
>> the moment.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Mark Miesfeld  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Rick,
>>>
>>> I just made a couple of small changes and your custom target now works.
>>>
>>> I don't think I have an objection to using the CPack version.
>>>
>>> Earlier today, I was thinking we could drive the installer creation from
>>> CPack by just using a NSIS.template.in file that was a copy of our
>>> current script and copying the files from platform/windows/install to the
>>> directory that NSIS.template.in is copied to.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if that is what you are thinking of, or not.
>>>
>>> I'll play around with that and see if I can get it to work.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mark Miesfeld
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Rick McGuire 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Mark,

 I've been poking around, and it might actually be possible to still
 drive the install from CMake and still keep the current installer.  I've
 how to get access to the install information and it should be possible to
 inject that information into a template install file.  This is something
 for the longer term, but this gets by all of your objections to switching
 to the CPack version.  The only thing that would change would be the
 removal of the manifest and shortcut information from the .nsi file.
 Everything else would remain the same.

 Rick

 Rick


 On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Rick McGuire 
 wrote:

> Mark,
>
> I was right, it was pretty easy to add this as a build target
> (assuming I got the command syntax right).  To build the installer, just
> issue the command "nmake nsis_installer" from the build directory command
> line.  This is setup with dependencies on the doc files being in an
> indicated directory and is currently assuming the script is
> platform\windows\cpack.nsi.  Hopefully the I have the makensis command
> syntax correct, but that should be easy to fix.
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Rick McGuire 
> wrote:
>
>> Ok, I guess I'm good with that.  Since we need to tweak this a bit, I
>> suggest we leave oorexx.nsi unchanged and check in a new file to build 
>> from
>> (and I agree, a custom script might not be a bad idea).  A batch file is 
>> a
>> good idea here, although I wonder if we can add a to the cmake script 
>> that
>> is not part of the ALL category so that this becomes an NMAKE target we 
>> can
>> invoke from the build directory in question.  The cmake script already
>> knows about the locations for everything, and we can probably build in a
>> dependency for the doc files so it will refuse to build without the files
>> there.
>>
>> I just checked in a change to the cmake script to copy those
>> additional class files (and rexxtry) to the bin directory.  For
>> test/development purposes, it makes sense for those to be part of the
>> build.
>>
>

Re: [Oorexx-devel] NSIS installer and CPack

2014-06-09 Thread Mark Miesfeld
Rick,

Okay.

The configure_file() command looks promising.  That's what I was trying to
do yesterday by using a NSIS.template.in file that was a copy of our old
oorexx.nsi file and just have variables for the /D options.  But, it didn't
work at all.

--
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On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 2:50 AM, Rick McGuire  wrote:

> Mark,
>
> One of the difficulties with converting our file to an NSIS template was
> getting around which variables in the template are done by directly
> substituting variables from the CMake file and which ones are done via the
> generator.  In particular, the generator was causing me the biggest issues.
>  Now that I know how things are getting built, I believe it possible to
> construct the file list and short cuts in CMake code and then use the
> configure_file() command to create the .nsi from a template.  This would
> also eliminate the need to pass a bunch of -D values to the makensis
> command...all of that would be handled by the template substitution.
>
> At any rate, that is a sandbox project, I think, but I believe it doable.
>  We should try to keep the install() commands in the CMake file as
> up-to-date as possible, even though they are not doing anything for us at
> the moment.
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Mark Miesfeld  wrote:
>
>> Hi Rick,
>>
>> I just made a couple of small changes and your custom target now works.
>>
>> I don't think I have an objection to using the CPack version.
>>
>> Earlier today, I was thinking we could drive the installer creation from
>> CPack by just using a NSIS.template.in file that was a copy of our
>> current script and copying the files from platform/windows/install to the
>> directory that NSIS.template.in is copied to.
>>
>> I'm not sure if that is what you are thinking of, or not.
>>
>> I'll play around with that and see if I can get it to work.
>>
>> --
>> Mark Miesfeld
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Rick McGuire 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> I've been poking around, and it might actually be possible to still
>>> drive the install from CMake and still keep the current installer.  I've
>>> how to get access to the install information and it should be possible to
>>> inject that information into a template install file.  This is something
>>> for the longer term, but this gets by all of your objections to switching
>>> to the CPack version.  The only thing that would change would be the
>>> removal of the manifest and shortcut information from the .nsi file.
>>> Everything else would remain the same.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Rick McGuire 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Mark,

 I was right, it was pretty easy to add this as a build target (assuming
 I got the command syntax right).  To build the installer, just issue the
 command "nmake nsis_installer" from the build directory command line.  This
 is setup with dependencies on the doc files being in an indicated directory
 and is currently assuming the script is platform\windows\cpack.nsi.
  Hopefully the I have the makensis command syntax correct, but that should
 be easy to fix.

 Rick


 On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Rick McGuire 
 wrote:

> Ok, I guess I'm good with that.  Since we need to tweak this a bit, I
> suggest we leave oorexx.nsi unchanged and check in a new file to build 
> from
> (and I agree, a custom script might not be a bad idea).  A batch file is a
> good idea here, although I wonder if we can add a to the cmake script that
> is not part of the ALL category so that this becomes an NMAKE target we 
> can
> invoke from the build directory in question.  The cmake script already
> knows about the locations for everything, and we can probably build in a
> dependency for the doc files so it will refuse to build without the files
> there.
>
> I just checked in a change to the cmake script to copy those
> additional class files (and rexxtry) to the bin directory.  For
> test/development purposes, it makes sense for those to be part of the
> build.
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Mark Miesfeld 
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry I wasn't engaged in this topic earlier.  But, I don't agree
>> with the approach we've taken with this.
>>
>> We have a perfectly good NSIS script that produces the NSIS installer
>> on Windows.  This script has been refined over the years until it is at 
>> the
>> point it is today.
>>
>> I think we should just stick with it.
>>
>> It took me about an hour to get it working with the CPack build.  It
>> doesn't make any changes to the way the non-CPack NSIS installer worked.
>>  And most of the time was because the CPack build isn't including some of
>> the *.cls files yet.  socket.cls, csvStream.cls, etc.. Also there was a
>> change to the API samples directory that was incl

Re: [Oorexx-devel] NSIS installer and CPack

2014-06-09 Thread Rick McGuire
Mark,

One of the difficulties with converting our file to an NSIS template was
getting around which variables in the template are done by directly
substituting variables from the CMake file and which ones are done via the
generator.  In particular, the generator was causing me the biggest issues.
 Now that I know how things are getting built, I believe it possible to
construct the file list and short cuts in CMake code and then use the
configure_file() command to create the .nsi from a template.  This would
also eliminate the need to pass a bunch of -D values to the makensis
command...all of that would be handled by the template substitution.

At any rate, that is a sandbox project, I think, but I believe it doable.
 We should try to keep the install() commands in the CMake file as
up-to-date as possible, even though they are not doing anything for us at
the moment.

Rick


On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Mark Miesfeld  wrote:

> Hi Rick,
>
> I just made a couple of small changes and your custom target now works.
>
> I don't think I have an objection to using the CPack version.
>
> Earlier today, I was thinking we could drive the installer creation from
> CPack by just using a NSIS.template.in file that was a copy of our
> current script and copying the files from platform/windows/install to the
> directory that NSIS.template.in is copied to.
>
> I'm not sure if that is what you are thinking of, or not.
>
> I'll play around with that and see if I can get it to work.
>
> --
> Mark Miesfeld
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Rick McGuire 
> wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> I've been poking around, and it might actually be possible to still drive
>> the install from CMake and still keep the current installer.  I've how to
>> get access to the install information and it should be possible to inject
>> that information into a template install file.  This is something for the
>> longer term, but this gets by all of your objections to switching to the
>> CPack version.  The only thing that would change would be the removal of
>> the manifest and shortcut information from the .nsi file. Everything else
>> would remain the same.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Rick McGuire 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> I was right, it was pretty easy to add this as a build target (assuming
>>> I got the command syntax right).  To build the installer, just issue the
>>> command "nmake nsis_installer" from the build directory command line.  This
>>> is setup with dependencies on the doc files being in an indicated directory
>>> and is currently assuming the script is platform\windows\cpack.nsi.
>>>  Hopefully the I have the makensis command syntax correct, but that should
>>> be easy to fix.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Rick McGuire 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ok, I guess I'm good with that.  Since we need to tweak this a bit, I
 suggest we leave oorexx.nsi unchanged and check in a new file to build from
 (and I agree, a custom script might not be a bad idea).  A batch file is a
 good idea here, although I wonder if we can add a to the cmake script that
 is not part of the ALL category so that this becomes an NMAKE target we can
 invoke from the build directory in question.  The cmake script already
 knows about the locations for everything, and we can probably build in a
 dependency for the doc files so it will refuse to build without the files
 there.

 I just checked in a change to the cmake script to copy those additional
 class files (and rexxtry) to the bin directory.  For test/development
 purposes, it makes sense for those to be part of the build.

 Rick


 On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Mark Miesfeld 
 wrote:

> Sorry I wasn't engaged in this topic earlier.  But, I don't agree with
> the approach we've taken with this.
>
> We have a perfectly good NSIS script that produces the NSIS installer
> on Windows.  This script has been refined over the years until it is at 
> the
> point it is today.
>
> I think we should just stick with it.
>
> It took me about an hour to get it working with the CPack build.  It
> doesn't make any changes to the way the non-CPack NSIS installer worked.
>  And most of the time was because the CPack build isn't including some of
> the *.cls files yet.  socket.cls, csvStream.cls, etc.. Also there was a
> change to the API samples directory that was included in the the current
> oorexx.nsi script
>
> It is slightly awkward because you need to cd from the build directory
> to the source directory and then run a long command line:
>
> *C:\work.ooRexx\wc\build>cd
> \work.ooRexx\wc\main\platform\windows\install*
>
> *C:\work.ooRexx\wc\main\platform\windows\install>*
>
> *C:\work.ooRexx\wc\main\platform\windows\install>makensis
> /DVERSION=4.3.0 /DNODOTVER=430 /DSRCDIR=c:\work.o