Re: [osol-discuss] Software is free. Service is not. Mike Rocha and Tim Chou.

[Che Kristo]

Please don't degrade the conversation with offensive name calling, I
understand your perspective but calling people "bastards" is an immature way
of discussing an issue.

IMHO Solaris 10 is not competing with generic linux but with commercial
Linuxes like Suse or Red Hat...they do not offer free patches to my
knowledge either.

I believe it is fair that they expect some sort of payment for these updates
but I fear they will lock out private users with the huge expense of support
contracts (aka I wont pay ~$500 a year for patches to my home laptop).

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 03:00, Ken Gunderson  wrote:

>
> On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 10:05 -0500, Dennis Clarke wrote:
> > OpenSolaris/Solaris friends :
> >
> > This ( see below ) is from a thread on the PCA patch tool maillist this
> > morning. I made a few replies to Martin and there may be some upset by
> > Sun/Oracle customers over this silent change.
> >
> > I'm fine with a fee. It would be nice if paying customers had known that
> > their new contracts were about to be terminated. Certainly people such as
> > myself that purchase support in January of each year.
> >
> > You can see the text below and hopefully this is a transition phase
> issue.
> >
> > If anyone knows, it would be nice if some light were shed on the topic.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> >  Original Message
> 
> > Subject: Re: [pca] No more free patches
> > From:"Dennis Clarke" 
> > Date:Fri, February 12, 2010 10:01
> > To:  "PCA (Patch Check Advanced) Discussion"  >
> >
> --
> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Get ready for some bad news: According to my sources there will be no
> > > more free access to any Solaris patch, be it security or not. A support
> > > contract will be required for every patch download, no matter whether
> > > it's done interactively through the website or hands-off with wget/pca.
> > > I've been told that this policy change won't by publically announced by
> > > Oracle, but it's described in this SunSolve document:
> > >
> > >#203648: Software Update Entitlement Policy for Solaris
> > >http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-61-203648-1
> > >
> > > It already seems to be in effect. I tried to download various recent
> > > security patches and access is denied to any of them.
> > >
> > > Sooner or later access to patchdiag.xref and all other content
> currently
> > > on SunSolve will be limited to paying customers as well.
> > >
> > > No opinion, but a few thoughts:
> > >
> > > Using an operating system where the only way to fix security problems
> is
> > > waiting for the next version is a no-go, so the minimum cost for
> running
> > > Solaris on a real-world system is now that of a basic service plan
> (324$
> > > and up per year).
> >
> > I am fine with a support contract fee on my servers. That is just
> business
> > and everyone would expect a small fee for service.
> >
> > Software is free. Service is not.
> >
> > "Software is Free, Service is Not: The Dawn of Service Networks" written
> > by ex-Oracle executives and co-founders of OpenWater - Mike Rocha and Tim
> > Chou.
> >
> > See
> >
> http://www.anshublog.com/2007/05/new-meme-software-is-free-service-is.html
> >
> > I have that book and I agree with its basic premise. Simply put, no
> > organization can support an operating system, application stack or any
> > software product for free. Period.
> >
> > > Sun didn't make enough money, so it's obvious that Oracle handles
> things
> > > differently. Whether this is a wise decision is left to the future. The
> > > fact that there's no public announcement reveals a lot.
> >
> > That bothers me. Given that I bought new contracts within the last 30
> days.
> >
> > > There should be a much simpler way to get basic patch support (think
> > > about a PayPal button at the end of the OS installation to get the
> > > idea). And it definitely should cost less than the service plans.
> > > Personally, I'd prefer a one-time fee for the OS (which should be
> > > included in the price of a server when bought from Sun).
> >
> > That would be retrograde motion back to the days of the RTU license fee
> on
> > the Sparc servers. I doubt you can do such a thing with x86 servers or
> > machines based on a free download.
>
> This will be the undoing of Solaris.  One reason Sun got into such bad
> shape was because they were far, far to late in accepting the reality of
> the _competition_ from the FOSS world.  CompSCI majors were using either
> MS because of it's ubiquity or Linux because of it's technical
> superiority and free availability. Hence, Solaris slipped slowly but
> surely into irrelevance in all but the financial services sector.  I
> know CompSCI grads from the local U, for example, that had never even
> _heard_ of Sun Microsystems, before I pointed them to Open/Solaris.
>
> Open sourcing Solaris and making Solaris 10 fr

Re: [osol-discuss] PKG - dev repository

[Che Kristo]

Not that I am aware of. You could just download that particular release as
an ISO and install it...

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 21:51, Vinicius Segantin Viteri <
vinicius.vit...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I configured my repository to http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev/ and
> always that i use "pkg image-update" the system is upgraded to the
> last version (snv_130 now). But i don't want the snv_130. Is there any
> configuration on pkg that i can set to upgrade the opensolaris snv_111
> (release) to snv_126, for example?
>
> Thanks,
> Vinicius Viteri
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Re: [osol-discuss] Which solaris do you use?

[Che Kristo]

The volume of SPARC still continues to be quite impressive. I do wonder how
this will trend over time.

On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 08:40, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:

>  This is just an anonymous public poll, to see what ratio of people use
> Solars vs OpenSolaris, x86 vs SPARC, for the sake of curiosity.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/solarispoll
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Re: [osol-discuss] Some Why?-Questions

[Che Kristo]

Banks aren't really hung up on whether its Solaris 10 or the future Solaris
X based upon OpenSolaris. They care that it is a robust, stable and
supported product that will do what they need for the right price. I do not
doubt at all that Sun will be doing that With Solaris.Next.

Comparing the current OpenSolaris with Solaris 10 in that environment is
disingenuous to say the least. Compare OpenSolaris with SXDE/SXCE...now tell
me how many banks are running that in production.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 13:19, Steven Sim  wrote:

>  This thread is getting a little vitriolic but I agree with UNIX admin's
> argument.
>
> I am a very firm supporter of Solaris, even in situations which are
> strongly anti Solaris.
>
> I also find that although the Sun OS staff and Opensolaris contributors are
> absolutely brilliant technically, they are a little disconnected from the
> real world.
>
> Unix admin's statement about Banks and such hit right to the point.
>
> He's right. Period.
>
> I support bringing back SXCE if Sun ever wants Enterprise customers to take
> Solaris or Open Solaris seriously.
>
> Warmest Regards
> Steven Sim
>
>
> UNIX admin wrote:
>
>  How are they worthless?   They all install fine,
> since compatibility was kept
> with the System V packaging system.
>
>
>  I guess I failed to make my point - you can't engineer an enterprise piece 
> of software, for example for a bank or an insurance agency, or the any 
> Fortune 100 company, then come to the sales presentation and tell them that 
> they must use OpenSolaris.
>
> Banks for instance will laugh you right out of the conference room - they 
> won't touch anything but Solaris 10. So if one wants to earn a living, 
> software MUST run on an enterprise OS - in this case, that enterprise OS is 
> Solaris 10.
>
> That's my dilemma. And I believe I'm not alone, I talk to other ISVs, and 
> they too are feeling the pain, only hiding it: when I ask them about 
> OpenSolaris, they just laugh it off. And in truth, I am compelled to agree 
> with them - the stuff is unstable, and as long as I get answer like "don't 
> use /opt, stuff should go into /usr" from people that don't understand the 
> issues yet make decisions in OpenSolaris, I know I'm in trouble.
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] when NEW OpenSolaris 2009.12 will get out and also when free CD available ?

[Che Kristo]

Aha...I see we have shifted it back

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:02, Alan Coopersmith wrote:

> Che Kristo wrote:
> > The next release is 2010.02 which you can expect towards the end of
> > February if all goes to plan.
>
> That should say 2010.03 in March.
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] when NEW OpenSolaris 2009.12 will get out and also when free CD available ?

[Che Kristo]

There is no such release as 2009.12, never was

The next release is 2010.02 which you can expect towards the end of February
if all goes to plan.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:30, Leonidas Savvides
wrote:

> when NEW OpenSolaris 2009.12 will get out and also when free CD available ?
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Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

[Che Kristo]

I am all for calling out bad language when its used but I am failing to see
your point here.

As for the C question, it has been discussed already in the IPS mailing
list, as already mentioned performance critical portions are written in C at
this stage.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 05:22, W. Wayne Liauh  wrote:

> >
> > Is expressing amusement "language that causes
> > resentment"?
> >
> > Or is the bad language you are talking about the
> > reference to "A$$" in
> > the subject line?
> >
> > Has our forum come to this?
> >
> > Brian
>
>
> I believe you have answered your own question.  (&thus then why bothered to
> ask?)
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Re: [osol-discuss] What version of a program in IPS?

[Che Kristo]

Thanks for that clarification Alan,

I guess we'll just wait patiently until the consolidations move across.

Che

On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:53, Alan Coopersmith wrote:

> At the moment, for packages in the main repo (/release, /dev), the package
> creator gets no choice or control - package versions are assigned by the
> SVR4 -> IPS conversion, and the team doing that hasn't researched each of
> the thousand packages to find what version number to publish or make sure
> they stay up to date.
>
> This should improve as the consolidations start being converted to generate
> the IPS packages directly, and they can then set the versions themselves
> when creating the packages.
>
>-Alan Coopersmith-   alan.coopersm...@sun.com
> Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering
>
> Che Kristo wrote:
> > Should we not have stricter controls over this? Seems a bit loose to me
> > that you can just choose whether or not to report the version on your
> > package.
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 04:06, Alan Coopersmith
> > mailto:alan.coopersm...@sun.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Marco Almeida wrote:
> > > I wonder why the versioning information on packages like emacs,
> nano,
> > > iozone, mysql, etc. uses the source code numbering while gnome-*
> and
> > > firefox do not...
> >
> > Because not all packages have had their version numbers set yet, so
> > many still just use the 0.5.11 default.
> >
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> > <mailto:alan.coopersm...@sun.com>
> > Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering
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Re: [osol-discuss] What version of a program in IPS?

[Che Kristo]

So I am trying to understand...is this something that package maintainers
should be doing and are not or is it just something where there are no rules
and people are doing what they think is right?

Should I file an RFE around this?

On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 07:50, Shawn Walker  wrote:

> Che Kristo wrote:
>
>> Should we not have stricter controls over this? Seems a bit loose to me
>> that you can just choose whether or not to report the version on your
>> package.
>>
>
> Its a bit of a process artifact.  Note too that the version number of the
> package does *not* have to match that of the software (especially when its
> has been modified compared to upstream).  But, I do agree that there should
> be an easier way to expose the upstream version to users.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [osol-discuss] What version of a program in IPS?

[Che Kristo]

Should we not have stricter controls over this? Seems a bit loose to me that
you can just choose whether or not to report the version on your package.

On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 04:06, Alan Coopersmith wrote:

> Marco Almeida wrote:
> > I wonder why the versioning information on packages like emacs, nano,
> > iozone, mysql, etc. uses the source code numbering while gnome-* and
> > firefox do not...
>
> Because not all packages have had their version numbers set yet, so
> many still just use the 0.5.11 default.
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] What version of a program in IPS?

[Che Kristo]

to be honest I dont know how to get IPS to report actual program version
however most prorgams will output their version when you do:
# firefox --version

sorry i can't answer your question directly

2009/11/27 Thommy M. Malmström 

> How can I tell what version of for example firefox, that is in an IPS
> package?
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Re: [osol-discuss] cannot open link "rum0": DLPI link does not exist

[Che Kristo]

Follow this thread which covers the additional things you need to specify:
http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=83449&tstart=0

Let us know if you have any further issues or questions

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 16:37, Dennis Clarke  wrote:

> Has anyone seen this interface working on Sparc ?
>
> I plug the USB Wireless network interface in and see this :
>
> Nov 26 01:16:04 neptune usba: [ID 912658 kern.info] USB 2.0 device
> (usb13b1,20) operating at full speed (USB 1.x) on USB 1.10 root hub:
> dev...@2, usb_mid0 at bus address 2
> Nov 26 01:16:04 neptune usba: [ID 349649 kern.info] Cisco-Linksys
> ompact Wireless-G USB Adapter
> Nov 26 01:16:04 neptune genunix: [ID 936769 kern.info] usb_mid0 is
> /p...@9,70/u...@1,3/dev...@2
> Nov 26 01:16:04 neptune genunix: [ID 408114 kern.info]
> /p...@9,70/u...@1,3/dev...@2 (usb_mid0) online
> Nov 26 01:16:04 neptune usba: [ID 349649 kern.info] usba:   no driver
> found for interface 0 (nodename: 'interface') of Cisco-Linksys ompact
> Wireless-G USB Adapter
>
> then I try this :
>
> # ifconfig rum0 plumb
> ifconfig: cannot open link "rum0": DLPI link does not exist
>
> Am I missing a simple step?
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

[Che Kristo]

I was getting at the fact that *you* are more than welcome to raise these
issues *yourself*, by becoming constructively involved in the community you
will find that you can have your concerns and opinions heard. Being abrupt
and rude is almost a guarantee that no one will listen to you. And yes,
calling the work of others "crap" is not constructive and is very rude.

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 19:22, Chad Welsh  wrote:

> I guess this is not enough information? "Chad Welsh wrote:
> > I guess there is a limit to how much you can update at one time when
> using Opensloaris 1002 b127 or any other Opensloaris version?"
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Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

[Che Kristo]

Just out of curiosity are there defects raised against the issues you've
raised here? I have searche3d and can not find them in
http://defect.opensolaris.org/

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:32, paul  wrote:

> Shawn Walker schrieb:
>
>  Chad Welsh wrote:
>>
>>> I guess truth does = rude to people who are blind to it and can or will
>>> not see the light of it. Most people here will agree that opensloaris has
>>> headed down the wrong path, many will not say in public but there are those
>>> that have and that still will say that SX:CE is the way of the future and
>>> should not be stifled.
>>>
>>> LIke I said I has not been fun I came to Solaris to get away from Linux
>>> not to become a halfwitted linux clone.
>>>
>>
>> Thankfully, no one is working on a half-witted Linux clone, so you may
>> relax now.
>>
> How comes it looks like one? Two random examples:
>
> 1. Mount a share with nautilus, can't see it from netbeans or cmdline.
> 2. Looking at vpanels-mysql.., should I cry or laugh? Completely useless
>   including a NONWORKING LINK TO phpMysqlAdmin, come on guys.
>
> Volunteer effort is nice but if there is noone overlooking the overall
> result and prevents the inclusion of things like the utter mess that is
> gnome-vfs, you're just looking like one of the half-assed non-solutions that
> is linuxdesktop.
>
> cheers
>  Paul
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Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

[Che Kristo]

I think its more like when people see rudeness like you've displayed they
don't want to help

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 01:27, Chad Welsh  wrote:

> I guess when people don't like the truth they stop helping no matter, huh?
> Well you all have a fun time with Sol-nux and stay in your yummy gummy dream
> world while us true believers stomp the turf with the tried and true heavy
> metal hitter solaris 10 and its Step brother that is beaten to death by the
> Sol-nux fanatics SX:CE
>
> It hasn't been fun!!
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Re: [osol-discuss] porting simple programs, Words and Vulsearch

[Che Kristo]

Hi David,

I don't think you need to worry about people not welcoming you because you
are Catholic. I am an Orthodox Christian and have no qualms with letting the
community here know about it. So yeah...welcome!

As a short term solution have you thought about running these windows
applications on top of Wine?

Che Kristo

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 16:45, David Billiot  wrote:

> When I used to use Windows there were these two programs that I used to use
> a lot.  One is called Words written by a guy named William Whittaker and the
> other is a program called Vulsearch.  Both are open source; Words in the
> sense that Mr. Whittaker has released the source and doesn't care what you
> use the program for and Vulsearch is actually GPL.  So considering that both
> of these are open source and pretty simple they could probably be ported
> over to Solaris.
>
> Now before I go any further I already know what some of you are thinking.
>  You go to the Vulsearch site and see that it is a Catholic program for
> reading the Vulgate Bible.  I can see you all reeling back in disgust.  I
> know I am not really welcome here but I'm not going to stop being who I am
> so just know that your hate mail will go into the trash unread.  The worst
> you can do is just have me banned again which as you can probably tell won't
> stop me from being who I am either but at least you won't have to deal with
> me anymore.
>
> Anyway like I was saying, Words basically has no license with the idea that
> it needs no license and Vulsearch is GPL.  I myself am not a big fan of the
> GPL but we take what we can get.  The source code for both of these programs
> is available so they should be portable to Solaris.
>
> Let me take a moment to address an objection I have heard before.  Both of
> these programs work great under Wine so some may ask why port them if they
> already work perfectly under Wine on Solaris.  Well the answer is simple,
> Solaris is not just another way to run Windows programs.  Programs like
> iSilo that have not been ported and can not be ported to Solaris I run under
> Wine.  I currently run Words and Vulsearch with Wine but a native port would
> be better.
>
> Let me address another objection.  Some may ask why anyone in the
> OpenSolaris community should waste their time on a terminal program that is
> nothing but a Latin - English dictionary or a program used to search and
> read the Vulgate.  I would point out that someone in the community already
> used their time to make a game about Dealing Drugs.  Please don't tell me
> that the Open Solaris community is open to Drug Dealers but not people who
> can read Latin.  Of course since I put it that way I will probably be banned
> again.
>
> The source for Vulsearch is well beyond my programming abilities but I did
> already take a shot at the Words program.  Someone else already ported it to
> Linux and FreeBSD and wrote their steps down so I figured I could do the
> same thing.  I needed an ADA compiler and got the GCC4 from Blastwave.  I
> tried several time to compile the different parts of the program using
> gnatmake but to no avail.  The program will compile and run but is broken.
>  English to Latin works fine amazingly but the Latin to English won't work,
> which is a shame because that is what most people will want the program for.
>
> I have downloaded an Ada plugin for Netbeans and will try to compile the
> program again but I don't really think I know enough about Netbeans to get
> it to work.
>
> Before the last time when I was banned there was someone in the community
> who said something about changing the language for the program from Ada to
> something else but I can't remember what  and now that the website has
> changed, I can't find the conversation.
>
> So if anyone would like to help with this and try to get either Words or
> Vulsearch ported and maybe even added to the contrib repository then lets
> work on it.  I am not a programmer but I have been learning a lot since I
> started using Open Solaris.  Let me know what I have to do and I will try to
> get it done.  People with just objections and hateful comments about us
> "evil Christians" take a hike someplace where they are giving out Darwin
> awards cause I don't feel like hearing it.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Dev + OSS + Virtualbox = not good

[Che Kristo]

if you are using opensolaris dev there is no need to install OSS...project
boomer was integrated in build 115 of opensolaris:
http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+opensound/

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 12:49, j  wrote:

> I'm very new to opensolaris.  Right now I'm trying it in virtualbox.  It
> installs fine but I'm having trouble getting it to play nice with oss.
>
> I downloaded the oss solaris package from 4front's website and I tried
> installing it on a VM that I had already updated to 'dev', but after
> rebooting and selecting its entry in grub, the splash screen comes up for a
> few seconds but then the VM reboots, every time.
>
> After that I had to boot into the original install boot environment (ZFS is
> great :) ), and again tried installing OSS there, and it worked.  Then I
> once again upgraded to dev, had to remove and then install OSS again, and
> bam!  endless reboot cycle again.
>
> Is there something with the current Dev distribution that makes it
> incompatible with OSS?
>
> (I need OSS because I want to try out wine in opensolaris)
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Re: [osol-discuss] USB Mouse Vanishing in snv_126

[Che Kristo]

I have had USB mice consistently drop out too, yet to investigate cause on
my system. On my Ultra 20 I have not had any issues, only on Acer 3935
laptop.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:23, Francois Laagel  wrote:

> Greetings folks,
>
> My most recent update to snv_126 has been a mixed blessing: it worked
> perfectly fine on my IA-32 ATI PCIe based box but still is up in the air
> wrt. my other AMD64 NVIDIA box. Case in point: USB HID mouse support. On
> that very same AMD64 box, snv_125 works like a charm but on on snv_126,
> /var/adm/messages issues scary warnings such as:
>
> Nov  4 23:56:38 kir3 usba: [ID 912658 kern.info] USB 2.0 device
> (usb46d,c045) operating at low speed (USB 1.x) on USB 1.10 external hub:
> mo...@4, hid4 at bus address 4
> Nov  4 23:56:38 kir3 genunix: [ID 936769 kern.info] hid4 is /p...@0
> ,0/pci1043,8...@10/h...@2/mo...@4
> Nov  4 23:56:38 kir3 genunix: [ID 408114 kern.info] /p...@0
> ,0/pci1043,8...@10/h...@2/mo...@4 (hid4) online
> Nov  4 23:56:42 kir3 genunix: [ID 408114 kern.info] /p...@0
> ,0/pci1043,8...@10/h...@2/mo...@4 (hid4) removed
>
> I didn't go so far as to check if the USB subsystem changed between build
> 125 and 126 but something here smells a bit fishy and I've not seen anybody
> else reporting similar problems.
>
> Anybody cares to comment on this?
>
> Best regards.
>
>Francois
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Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] Fluendo DVD player for OpenSolaris to release this week

[Che Kristo]

Hi Francois,

I don't have the answers to your questions unfortunately. I will chase this
up with Fluendo and see if I can get some answers for you.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 05:52, Francois Dion  wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Che Kristo  wrote:
> > Just a brief heads up that Fluendo  will be releasing the DVD Player for
> > OpenSolaris at *some stage this week*. You can see some screenshots at my
> > blog:
> >
> http://myunix.org/2009/11/03/fluendo-dvd-player-for-opensolaris-arriving-very-very-soon/
> >
> > Thanks to the guys at Fluendo for the hard work.
> >
> > Che Kristo
>
> I was looking through their web page and your blog, and I'm not too
> clear on the sound support and the specs. Maybe you know a bit more?
> I'll skip the obvious features, but these points, I was wondering
> about?
>
>* Fullscreen support
>
> Do you know what it is doing there? Just a linear interpolation, or is
> it upscaling? Under windows, players like Arcsoft use CUDA to upscale.
> Of course CUDA is not available under solaris. I've asked around about
> this feature and I've heard nothing, so that tells me it's not on the
> radar screen. However, if it has some decent upscaling in software, it
> can still be worth it, for those with fast processors. When using a
> computer as a DVD player that has some importance, because even if you
> have a Reon HQV in your TV, you are driving it at native resolution,
> so the chip sits idle, and all the upscaling has to be done in the PC.
>
>* Dolby Digital pass-through
>
> Does pass-through work in OpenSolaris, it is really bitstreaming DD
> and DTS? If it is a true pass-through, it should even work with dolby
> digital plus, yes?
>
>* Dolby Digital 5.1 output
>
> Does it mean it can decode DD and send it PCM 5.1 out, or that it can
> output 5.1 over the analog out or something else?
>
>* Subtitle support
>
> Can you set where the subtitle shows?
>
>* Multiregion, works in all regions
>
> Is that true? I thought that was enforced by the DVD reader itself
> along with the driver? Years ago I set up an HTPC using solaris,
> mplayer and some custom front end I wrote. The dvd was brand new and I
> was having issues until I took the dvd reader, put it in a windows
> machine, use powerdvd (or something like that) and set the region
> code, and back into my Solaris HTPC. Then it worked, but only for DVDs
> with that region code.
>
>* Multiple video deinterlacing algorithms
>
> Is this automatic or you have to specify film, tv, inverse telecine
> etc? How does it handle PAL, does it pitch down audio?
>
> On your blog you mention no spdif. I'm assuming this is on your
> specific setup, because OSS does support it and I've used mplayer with
> that (with -ao to specify the spdif device and -channel 6). Or is
> there no way to specify the audio output device in the fluendo dvd
> player?
>
> What about keyboard shortcuts, in order to use either a remote or a
> multimedia wireless keyboard (with stop, play/pause, forward/back etc
> buttons)? Finally, more important than anything else, can you specify
> aspect ratio and zoom level?
>
> Francois
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Re: [osol-discuss] Unable to submit an RFE through bugs.os.o

[Che Kristo]

I'm not in the "bugster sucks" camp either :-) ... just having two separate
tools for the same things that irks me.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 14:02, Steven Stallion wrote:

> Che Kristo wrote:
> > Correct, hopefully not for too much longer
>
> Why? I guess I'm not firm believer in the 'bugster sucks' philosophy...
> Until ON moves over and webrev supports linking to Bugzilla, I don't see
> a compelling reason to transition.
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] Unable to submit an RFE through bugs.os.o

[Che Kristo]

Correct, hopefully not for too much longer

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 13:48, Steven Stallion wrote:

> Che Kristo wrote:
> > Isn't the community bug repo currently http://defect.opensolaris.org/???
>
> Last I checked ON issues are still tracked in bugster...
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] Unable to submit an RFE through bugs.os.o

[Che Kristo]

Isn't the community bug repo currently http://defect.opensolaris.org/ ???

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 13:24, Steven Stallion wrote:

> Any ideas on when this issue might be addressed? In the meantime, what
> is the best method for creating a new bugster entry?
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] Skype is being open sourced! OpenSolaris?

[Che Kristo]

IMHO the best approach would be to integrate the skype ibraries with an
existing client such as pidgin rather than separate out skype as a separate
application. Of course the devil will be in the details and we need to wait
and see how this pans out.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 13:15, Alan Coopersmith wrote:

> Orvar Korvar wrote:
> > Will it be possible to port it to OpenSolaris? It will depend only upon
> the license they choose, right?
> > http://share.skype.com/sites/linux/2009/11/skype_open_source.html
>
> Any license that qualifies as "Open Source" for an application should allow
> shipping on OpenSolaris - it will depend much more on if they depend on any
> binary only modules or Linux-specific interfaces, and until they release
> the
> source or much more detail than that simple post, it's hard to guess if it
> will be possible to port or not.
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] Skype is being open sourced! OpenSolaris?

[Che Kristo]

>From what I understand there will be a closed "libskype" which could
feasibly ported to OpenSolaris by Skype. Skype have in the past said that
they are not against the idea of supporting our platform, it's just a matter
of priorities for them.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 08:51, Orvar Korvar
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> Will it be possible to port it to OpenSolaris? It will depend only upon the
> license they choose, right?
> http://share.skype.com/sites/linux/2009/11/skype_open_source.html
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[osol-discuss] Fluendo DVD player for OpenSolaris to release this week

[Che Kristo]

Just a brief heads up that Fluendo  will be releasing the DVD Player for
OpenSolaris at *some stage this week*. You can see some screenshots at my
blog:
http://myunix.org/2009/11/03/fluendo-dvd-player-for-opensolaris-arriving-very-very-soon/

Thanks to the guys at Fluendo for the hard work.

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Re: [osol-discuss] Need a How-to on installing a VM on top of SunOS 5.10 Generic_141445-09 i38

[Che Kristo]

Type:

# man pkg

in a terminal

If you get a man page for the "image packaging system" then you are running
"OpenSolaris", if you get "No manual entry for pkg" that means you are
running "Solaris"

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 06:57, Ramon F. McDougall  wrote:

> John Martin wrote:
>
>> Ramon F. McDougall wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings to All.
>>>
>>> Can someone help me out here. I'm  a new user to Solaris evaluating an
>>> Ultra 27 workstation. I would like be able to install other operating
>>> systems on top of SunOS 5.10 Generic_141445-09 i386.
>>>
>>> I can't  find the correct documentation. Is there a difference between my
>>> system and openSolaris? Is there a step by step how-to?
>>>
>>>
>> The easiest solution for S10U8 is to load VirtualBox (www.virtualbox.org
>> ).
>>
>>
>>
>>  Thank You,
>
> Mr Martin, can you tell if my Ultra 27 is running openSolaris?
>
> Thanks Again,
>
> Ramon
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Re: [osol-discuss] Multimedia support in OpenSolaris 2010.02?

[Che Kristo]

There are already two ways to improve your multimedia support:

1 - Fluendo's codec pack:
http://www.fluendo.com/shop/product/complete-set-of-playback-plugins/

2 - The homeunix IPS repository: http://ips.homeunix.com:10906/

#1 is the fully licensed approach, #2 is the community packaged no cost
variant - suit whichever suits your need (commercial or personal)

For various legal reasons I very much doubt you will see any freely
redistributable operating system with a company behind it shipping support
for proprietary codecs.

Hope this helps

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 16:09, Pen-Yuan Hsing  wrote:

> General question:
> What is the situation of multimedia support in the upcoming OpenSolaris
> 2010.02?
> Will it have better support for formats such as latest Quicktime, Flash 10,
> Real, and Windows Media files? Also, what about support for these formats in
> the included Firefox browser? Are these changes, if any, already present in
> the current development builds?
> Just thought these things would make it much more viable as a 'day to day'
> desktop OS.
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Re: [osol-discuss] install apps intended for other unix variants

[Che Kristo]

Sridhar this will help you: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

What you have posted below tells me nothing about what you are trying to
achieve. If you are too lazy to ask a question in a way that makes it easy
for others to help you. frankly, others will just ignore your posts.

If your problem is that their software is not packaged for OpenSolaris you
can do either:
1 - Port it yourself
2 - Ask them to to it for you

Che

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 02:36, sridhar  wrote:

> specific case:http://www.taskcoach.org/download.html
> http://www.taskcoach.org/download.html
> debian packages(for debian and ubuntu) RPM packages (fedora and rpm based
> linux distros) rpm packages.
> Sorry i did not specify the exact usecase thinking that there will be few
> articles for available source variants(i think it may be several based on
> the language they used.)
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Re: [osol-discuss] general request/advice/suggestion for os and os app developers

[Che Kristo]

Sridhar,

I am not clear on what it is you are saying here

"I want to use open solaris as a desktop and server machine"
"I want to use ubuntu as desktop for normal computer use and opensolaris as
server"

Which one is it? First you say you want OpenSolaris as Desktop and Server,
second you say you want Ubuntu as desktop and OpenSolaris as server :-|

and then "can not work as good desktop machine as windows operating system"
- can you make this more constructive please, what specifically are you
talking about, what is "as good" for you?

There are many people here who love to help but you need first to

#1 Be clear on exactly what it is you want

#2 Be specific in your criticism, think to yourself which of the following
would help the developers improve OpenSolaris:

 "Feature X that is in Windows is not in OpenSolaris"
 "OpenSolaris is not as good as Windows"




On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 19:48, sridhar  wrote:

> Opensolaris is appropriate for desktop use and server use as per the link:
> http://www.opensolaris.com/learn/(readthe
>  first sentence of second paragraph.) I want to use open solaris as a
> desktop and server machine because i am also a developer. I want to use open
> solaris purely as a desktop that should outsmart ubuntu and windows(Is this
> a worst request?). I still wonder and don't understand that an operating
> system with longest and greatest history can not work as good desktop
> machine as windows operating system. I want to use ubuntu as desktop for
> normal computer use and opensolaris as server for my development use.
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Re: [osol-discuss] install apps intended for other unix variants

[Che Kristo]

Sridhar,

I hope I am not too blunt in saying this but you would do well to first take
the effort to Google for your answers before asking others to do it for you,
i.e if you want documentation for opensolaris, google "opensolaris
documentation". There are a lot of folks who love to help, but, like you
have limited amounts of time dedicated to providing free support.

Be adventurous and just give OpenSolaris a try, play around, click on
things, install things, change things google for your questions...if you
can't find answers feel free to ask.

Che

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 20:25, sridhar  wrote:

> I am posting this as linus torvald (at least if you recognise him as one of
> the several system programmers is okay with me) tells something about
> installation of operating systems. But, I think it  will hold good for all
> kinds of applications.
> http://news.oreilly.com/2008/07/linux-torvalds-on-linux-distri.html
> Go thru what linus torvalds tell about ease of installation.
> I copy pasted 2 and third paras of grey coloured portion of interview page.
> "And when it comes to distributions, ease of installation has actually been
> one of my main issues - I'm a technical person, but I have a very specific
> area of interest, and I don't want to fight the rest. So the only
> distributions I have actively avoided are the ones that are known to be
> "overly technical" - like the ones that encourage you to compile your own
> programs etc.
>
> Yeah, I can do it, but it kind of defeats the whole point of a distribution
> for me. So I like the ones that have a name of being easy to use. I've never
> used plain Debian, for example, but I like Ubuntu. And before Debian people
> attack me - yeah, I know, I know, it's supposedly much simpler and easier to
> install these days. But it certainly didn't use to be, so I never had any
> reason to go for it."
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Re: [osol-discuss] package manager - new feature request

[Che Kristo]

Here you go:
http://wiki.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_I18n_&_L10n_Community_SketchPad/trans_status/

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 19:40, sridhar  wrote:

> please give me some links to decent to thorough/exhaustive open solaris
> documentation or normal to advanced user guide that covers everything we
> need to know to use open solaris(I just used windows without any guide. All
> things are installed using GUI, not CUI, with good enough
> information,options and prudent requests from user.).
> I don't know that soalris reinstallation does not require any format of
> partition where an operating system is installed.
> Usually, upgrade does not require format of partition.
> What will happen if upgrade or reinstallation is giving problems and home
> directory is in the partition where the operating system is installed?
> I think then we may have to take backup of settings in our home directory.
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Re: [osol-discuss] install apps intended for other unix variants

[Che Kristo]

There are a number of ways you can achieve this on OpenSolaris using
virtualbox, xvm, zones, wine etc. you will need to provide an actual
specific use case to the list if you want pointed information about this.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 17:40, sridhar  wrote:

> How to install / setup applications (that are intended for
> unix/linux/bsd/debian/novell, etc) from internet?
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Re: [osol-discuss] package manager - installation dir

[Che Kristo]

This is not windows, please become familiar with unix and linux file system
heirarchies, this will give you an understanding that there is no single
"directory" that is used to contain applications.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 17:39, sridhar  wrote:

> package manager should ask the user about the installation directory
> for all user applications. usability is not automation. I don't like those
> user applications which did not ask me about the installation directory.
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Re: [osol-discuss] create a directory/ file

[Che Kristo]

Hi,

You need the right permissions using the pfexec command, at the terminal
type:

man pfexec

this will explain the pfexec command

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 17:38, sridhar  wrote:

> I am unable to create a directory/ file anywhere in the file system
> except my home directory. How can I enable my user account to
> create a directory / file anywhere in the file system (other than
> system related directories)?  I am new user(non-unix) trying os.
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Re: [osol-discuss] No audio

[Che Kristo]

I'll second that...

2009.06 is using the old Sun Audio system which has much less device support
in my experience. The latest dev build (125) is rock solid anyway so why not
go with that (unless of course you  have a support subscription in place).

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 22:30, Jürgen Keil  wrote:

> > I cannot seem to get sound out of my Dell D620 Laptop
> > running OpenSolaris 2009.06. The audio driver is
> > listed as audiohd.
>
> You could try the latest opensolaris development release
> live cd/dvd, and check if audio support has improved
> (current dev release has the new boomer audio drivers).
>
> Current development release is build 125:
>
>http://www.genunix.org/
>http://www.genunix.org/distributions/indiana/osol-1002-125-x86.iso
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Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris: insecure or unstable ?

[Che Kristo]

I've signed for both my laptop and desktop and put a pointer to the poll on
my blog too, lets hope the right people pay attention...

Che

2009/10/18 Mika Borner 

> Che Kristo wrote:
>
>> Totally agree with this...forking out 324 USD a year for each of my
>> systems (laptop + workstation) per year is just too much. A basic support
>> option just for security fixes etc at a reasonable price would fill that
>> hole well. Call me cynical but Sun will probably ignore this and keep on
>> ignoring the fact that not everyone is and "enterprise" grade user.
>>
> Maybe we just have to push them :-)
>
> Here's a poll I've set up: http://www.doodle.com/3ev8fvdxn7yghr84
>
> I'm targeting private, non-corporate users with this poll, who just want
> security patches/bug fixes.
>
> Personally, I'm fine paying a small fee. But hey, USD 324 is too much, I
> have a family to feed :-)
>
> Maybe Sun starts to smell the money, if we get lots of participants in this
> poll who want to spend some cash... ;-)
>
> Cheers
> Mika
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris: insecure or unstable ?

[Che Kristo]

Totally agree with this...forking out 324 USD a year for each of my systems
(laptop + workstation) per year is just too much. A basic support option
just for security fixes etc at a reasonable price would fill that hole well.
Call me cynical but Sun will probably ignore this and keep on ignoring the
fact that not everyone is and "enterprise" grade user.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 04:25, Mika Borner  wrote:

> Alexander wrote:
>
>>
>> In BSD it's easier (at least in FreeBSD). Base system is updated quite
>> regularly (e.g. after 7.1-RELEASE we had 7.1-RELEASE-p1, 7.1-RELEASE-p2 and
>> so on...).  And ports are updated separately and quite often... What is
>> important, in FreeBSD we have at least two branches (current, stable and
>> legacy). There are much more freedom: I may update to latest patch level,
>> update to next release  or to checkout current and get all cool features and
>> new bugs :) And here I don't see RELEASE branch (patchsets and upstream),
>> only stale releases or permanent CURRENT.
>>
>>
> IMHO, what is needed is a subscription below the Basic Support.
>
> Just the package updates, as we can get support etc. here from the
> community.
>
> I would assume for approx. 20$/year, a lot of enthusiasts would pay for it
> (I certainly would), while $324 is just too much.
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Re: [osol-discuss] bluetooth project

[Che Kristo]

I think pertinent to this discussion is this development with 802.11x
technology:
http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/09/10/15/1715218/Wi-Fi-Direct-Overlaps-Bluetooth-Territory-For-Connecting-Deviceswhich
could possibly obsolete bluetooth.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 09:25, Peter Jones  wrote:

> See filed Bug 12012
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Re: [osol-discuss] Can we EOL "indiana" soon?

[Che Kristo]

Which is where the (somewhat ill thought out) differentiation between the
"opensolaris product" and "opensolaris community" becomes a problem.
Personally I believe that the "opensolaris product" should just be named as
"Solaris Enterprise" for the current Solaris, "Solaris Standard" for the
indiana stable releases and "Solaris Dev" for dev releases. But thats just
me :)

Che

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 20:52, Sean Sprague  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Can we please EOL the use of "*indiana*" soon, archive all the mailing list
> entries and website pages, and formally replace it (and rename/reallocate
> the project) with(in) "OpenSolaris"? Mike Kupfer recently pointed out the
> fact the opening sentence on the indiana docs page (
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/documents/ ) was incorrect;
> and I would even suggest that the title ("Gateway to Indiana") should be
> "Gateway to OpenSolaris", or even "Gateway to an Open Solaris".
>
> Please don't flame me ;-)
>
> Thanks and regards... Sean.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Nvidia graphics cards

[Che Kristo]

NForce is a motherboard chipset that NVidia produce, I have not seen any
statements regarding their graphics chipsets.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 09:33, Peter Jones  wrote:

> Nvidia and Ati are set to make changes.The disput with chip partner intel
> may set back development at Nvidia leaving Ati the dominent player in the
> market.Does this mean the community will be developing the much requested 3
> d support for ATI graphics as a priority?
>
>
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10370767-1.html?tag=mncol
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Re: [osol-discuss] 128 bit technology

[Che Kristo]

That is a very vague statement, is that 128 bit CPU architecture or 128 bit
file system?

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 09:42, Peter Jones  wrote:

> Microsoft has announced that the next release windows 8 will be a 128 bit
> system.Apart from haveing few applications,isv,isv,on their side.Is this a
> marketing gimmick or saine thinking? Will opensolaris work on 128 bit?
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Re: [osol-discuss] bluetooth project business case for resources

[Che Kristo]

I agree as a workstation/desktop/laptop user that bluetooth is important,
not as essential as 802.11[abgn] but definitely something that should be on
the roadmap.

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 06:05, Peter Jones  wrote:

> With a business hat on its a question of strategy and focus of limited
> resources.The case against allocation of resources is focus on development
> of server and desktop projects for the slow growing enterprise market.The
> case in favor of bluetooth is support of the rapidly growing
> mobile,telephoney,and legacy products for which there are many.It it likely
> development of wireless systems will step forward with mobile competition in
> the largest hardware growth market blurring the distinction of bluetooth and
> wifi.However the development of a larger user base means NOW and OS must be
> a player in the rapidly expanding mobile market.My personal view is it
> should happen either as a bluetooth response development or change the
> technology to merge the two?
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Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris under Oracle?

[Che Kristo]

As already stated due to the ongoing acquisition process you wont see any
sun folk making statements. Oracle statements are contained at
http://www.oracle.com/us/sun/index.htm

I don't believe Oracle would damage the fantastic work that has been done to
build this community.

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 08:14, Pen-Yuan Hsing  wrote:

> As a new user, I am wondering if there are any implications for OpenSolaris
> after Sun is acquired by Oracle? Will there be any impact on me as an end
> user? Thanks!
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Re: [osol-discuss] bluetooth project

[Che Kristo]

It would be a shame to put this on holdso many ways that this will
displease users:


   - Bluetooth mice
   - phone sync
   - phone/hsdpa modem
   - bluetooth printing


IMHO these things missing will push users away from OpenSolaris

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 14:38, Michael Li  wrote:

> Robert Milkowski wrote:
>
>> Michael Li wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> No bluetooth feature will be introduced into build125.
>>> If you think any Bluetooth function is important or "must support",
>>> please file RFE to http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz with good judgment.
>>> That's the most expected voice from development team's point of view,
>>> before putting much more resources onto bluetooth project.
>>>
>>>
>> Does it mean the project is on-hold or are you still actively working on
>> it and would like to get extra resource?
>> I'm just curious...
>>
>>
>>  It's almost on-hold, see:
> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=113271&tstart=15
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris as WiFi access point

[Che Kristo]

Sorry that we do not have this feature.

One thing you could do is submit a RFE (Request for Enhancement) for this
feature to the relevant project, this will tell them that they do indeed
have a demand for such a feature...

To submit an RFE you can go to http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/ and click
on ¨file a bug¨, select ¨distribution¨, fill out the details and select
¨enhancement¨ from the ¨severity¨ dropdown.

Che

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 15:51, Erwin Boskma  wrote:

> OK, I guess I'll stay with Ubuntu then. Thanks for your reply.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Happy days - for those missing skype on OpenSolaris.

[Che Kristo]

Fantastic stuff!

Now i just need to access to a *real* install so I can sign up :)

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 08:27, Michal Pryc  wrote:

> Hi,
> I hope some people might find this interesting:
>
> http://blogs.sun.com/migi/entry/skype_on_opensolaris_the_last
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] package manager times out

[Che Kristo]

Yes I get it too on 123, this is similar to
http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=10010

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 23:39, Glenn Holmer  wrote:

> While doing a search in the GUI package manager for "python", I'm
> getting repeated timeouts (this is on two different machines running
> snv_123).  Other searches seem to be OK.  Is anybody else experiencing
> something like this?
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] When next Release? What Release Cycle?

[Che Kristo]

I don't mind waiting longer for quality :-) IMHO it should be 8 months as 6
months is too agressive, but i do understand we are somewhat beholden to the
Gnome schedule

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 23:48, Calum Benson  wrote:

>
> On 29 Sep 2009, at 14:33, Che Kristo wrote:
>
>  Every six months... the next one will be in February 2010, AKA 2010.02
>>
>
> Well, 2009.06 + six months would be 2009.12 :)  But yes, the next release
> is currently scheduled for 2010.02.
>
> Cheeri,
> Calum.
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Re: [osol-discuss] When next Release? What Release Cycle?

[Che Kristo]

Every six months... the next one will be in February 2010, AKA 2010.02

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 23:20, Amin  wrote:

> Are there any informations when there will be a next release of
> OpenSolaris?
> And are there any projected release cycles?
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Re: [osol-discuss] How to setup a dial-up connection ???

[Che Kristo]

Visit here to look at your device support:
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/wwan/

note that this is not dial-up, it is WWAN, Wireless Wide Area Network...if
you do for some reason want dial up you need a dial up modem.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 07:35, Sushant Taneja wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I have OpenSolaris 2009.06 on my laptop and want to connect to internet
> through a USB data card (ZTE CDMA 1X MG880 model).
>
> How should I load the USB serial drivers and then configure system for a
> dial up connection using the device ???
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Re: [osol-discuss] Program of OSDevCon 2009 published

[Che Kristo]

just some OGG/Theora files would be great...live streaming would be overkill
:)



On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 18:13, Dirk Wetter  wrote:

> likely no live streaming, probably some recorded sessions but not sure yet.
>
> B, Dirk
>
>
> Quoting Che Kristo :
>
>  I am particularly interested in hearing Vineeth Pillai's talk on the ARM
>> port but am on the other side of the world, will anybody be toting a video
>> camera?
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] Program of OSDevCon 2009 published

[Che Kristo]

I am particularly interested in hearing Vineeth Pillai's talk on the ARM
port but am on the other side of the world, will anybody be toting a video
camera?

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 07:57, Dirk Wetter  wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Am 09/19/2009 10:44 PM, Dirk Wetter schrieb:
>
> > just for information: We released the program [1] of this years
> > OpenSolaris Developer Conference which takes place in
> > historical Dresden / Germany between October 27-30, 2009.
>
> [..]
>
> >   Registration will be opened within the next few days.
>
> In the meantime the registration [2] is open.
>
> The special thing this year is that you can hop between
> Linux-Kongress [3] and OSDevCon. Also feel free to pick
> tutorials from both conferences.
>
> [1] http://www.osdevcon.org/2009/program.html
> [2] http://www.osdevcon.org/2009/fees_reg.html#reg ,
>
> https://registration.guug.de/macomaweb-lk2009/registration/registration.jsp
> [3] http://www.linux-kongress.org/2009/
>
>
>
>
> Best / Schöne Grüße,
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] Where is SXCE b123?

[Che Kristo]

SXCE is EOL so I doubt we will see any further updates...
http://204.152.191.100/wiki/index.php/SXCE_EOL maybe one more if you're
lucky

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 22:00, Keith  wrote:

> I am still running sxce.How do I get to the iso? Usually, I access the link
> posting in the announcement forum.
>
>
> Che Kristo wrote:
>
>> It is right now...do you mean iso or in the repository? I have accessed
>> both for quite as while now.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 09:09, keithk > keithc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>Hi:
>>It's been 3 weeks since the release of b122. Is there any news when
>>b123 will be available for download?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Keith
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Re: [osol-discuss] Where is SXCE b123?

[Che Kristo]

It is right now...do you mean iso or in the repository? I have accessed both
for quite as while now.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 09:09, keithk  wrote:

> Hi:
> It's been 3 weeks since the release of b122. Is there any news when b123
> will be available for download?
>
> Thanks,
> Keith
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[osol-discuss] clarksfield opensolaris laptop

[Che Kristo]

Any chance that the next release of the OpenSolaris/Toshiba laptops could
include a model with the new quad core nehalem based chipsets?
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Re: [osol-discuss] Adding new application to Indiana

[Che Kristo]

A good first step would be to get your software into the contrib
repository...go here to see how this can be done:
http://jucr.opensolaris.org/home/

I agree it makes sense to have this on the live cd but it wont be able to
jump straight on there without being proven first.

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 23:41, Nischal  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have created a GUI application that is used to configure PPPoE
> connection. Currently the project resides on the java.net website. Now I
> would like to see this application in future releases of OpenSolaris
> (naturally people would prefer this application to be on their CD, because
> they can't access Internet because their PPPoE connection has not been
> configured yet). I am new to contributing to OpenSolaris and I don't know
> anything about getting my application as a part of OpenSolaris release.
> I would really appreciate it if somebody could guide me through the
> process.
>
> regards,
> Nischal E Rao
>
> PS: the project can be found at: https://adsl-modem.dev.java.net/
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Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Toshiba's for Australia

[Che Kristo]

I was actually looking at a Toshiba netbook the other day and almost bought
one until i found out that tosh wont refund the windows license :-| lets
hope they wake up to themselves.

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 08:27, Peter Jones  wrote:

> Think it would be more likely to look to the future with a mini booklet
> from Toshiba with an opensolaris option. It will be sometime before oracle
> has the complete picture with sun's assets. 2010?
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Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Toshiba's for Australia

[Che Kristo]

I know Europe is far more of a market than Australia :) lets hope they just
take it "international" soon

2009/9/20 Uros Nedic 

>  While Australia is important market for sure, I think that Europe is too,
> as well.So far, there are only options to buy them in UK. What about rest
> of EU countries,
> or even Eastern and South-Eastern Europe countries whose are not EU member
> states yet. You should not underestimate that market.
>
> Uros
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>  - Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)
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> Subject: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Toshiba's for Australia
>
> Any word yet on when Sun plan to make available the OpenSolaris laptops in
> Australia? I have seen before that "end of the year" was the target, is this
> still the case?
>
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[osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Toshiba's for Australia

[Che Kristo]

Any word yet on when Sun plan to make available the OpenSolaris laptops in
Australia? I have seen before that "end of the year" was the target, is this
still the case?

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Re: [osol-discuss] Are there bounties?

[Che Kristo]

This would be a great first run for the newly created use-case project. Is
there anyone interested in helping me to create a formal use-case from this?

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 19:01, Cyril Plisko wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Richard L. Hamilton 
> wrote:
> >
> > Given a little foresight (and unless one is trying to do stuff on the
> extreme cheap),
> > how many situations are there really that _need_ the additional option?
>  Even if
>
> I think that the fact that this question is being asked regularly is a
> best proof that there is a need for this feature.
> I personally have a number of friends that decided to implement ZFS
> server (well, home server) believing that at some point in the future
> this feature will be implemented.
>
> That said I agree that in medium business and up growing storage like
> that could be counterproductive.
>
> Side note - NetApp does support adding disks on one-by-one basis,
> although the implementation details are totally different.
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] Use of opensolaris

[Che Kristo]

Solaris is a server *and *workstation operating system, the workstation has
evolved/devolved into the desktop and laptop slowly over the past 10 years
so this is not a distraction at all.

Onto the next point, being a desktop OS is a good way of gaining mind share,
if a developer or administrator uses Solaris on his/her desktop have a guess
which OS they will use when they deploy! I am a big believer that
Microsoft's inroads into the data centre are owed somewhat to their success
on the desktop.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:41, Gary Bainbridge  wrote:

> It seems a lot of questions about opensolaris are directed at using it as a
> desktop (firefox and mplayer for example).  Opensolaris is supposed to be a
> precursor to the next Enterprise Solaris but directing efforts at desktop
> features seems misguided.  Solaris has always been a server OS not a desktop
> and I would like to see the efforts spent making Opensolaris a solid
> enterprise server, not a desktop OS.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle commits to SPARC + SOLARIS!!!

[Che Kristo]

Fantastic!

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 23:00, Orvar Korvar
wrote:

> http://www.oracle.com/features/suncustomers.html
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Re: [osol-discuss] Java apps store for opensolaris

[Che Kristo]

Hi Peter,

"Is this project going to have anything for opensolaris or solaris users?" -
it appears not, their target at this stage is XP, Vista and Mac (and
presumably win7)

"available outside the US?" The FAQ states that "The Java Store beta is
currently available to U.S. residents. Access to the store from outside the
U.S. will begin in 2010"

It will be a great shame if they don't support OpenSolaris/Solaris...if even
Sun won't support it's own platform as a first class platform what hope do
we have from other vendors?

  --Ché

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 08:22, Peter Jones  wrote:

> Is this project going to have anything for opensolaris or solaris users?
> Will it be linked to opensolaris and be available outside the US?
>
> http://www.java.com/en/store/intl-contact.jsp
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Re: [osol-discuss] OpenGrok Firefox toolbar

[Che Kristo]

It sounds like you want Mozilla Weave: http://labs.mozilla.com/weave/

For OpenSolaris you can get it at
http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=108301&tstart=60

I think for your use case this is the best fit

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Orvar Korvar  wrote:

> I use google toolbar to access all my web links from any computer. Sadly,
> Google Toolbar is not supported under OpenSolaris. Are there any toolbar
> available for Firefox that works under OpenSolaris? Or any other solution?
> (As of now, I use Linux or WinXP with google toolbar under VirtualBox to
> access my web links)
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Re: [osol-discuss] A market prospect thought

[Che Kristo]

Sun are already working with Toshiba on certain models which unfortunately
are only available in the US and UK :-|

Lets hope that that relationship is mutually beneficial and we see more
models included and eventually other vendors jump on board.


On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Peter Jones  wrote:

> This is an interesting shift to reducing the capital barriers for entry
> into the lower end hardware market through mass manufacturing techniques.The
> branded open source OS distributions like Opensolaris should welcome this
> opportunity for Commoditization of hardware to work with manufacturer's at
> minimal risk of entry to this market? .I certainly believe manufacturers
> like Asus will be looking to offer as many as three alternative
> distributions down loadable after purchase from their parent website in the
> forseeable future.Microsoft maybe getting a few sleepless nights in the
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Re: [osol-discuss] Nokia Booklet 3G

[Che Kristo]

I'm 100% in support of staying with CDDL too Jörg but what are your thoughts
on LGPL?

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Joerg Schilling <
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de> wrote:

> Uros Nedic  wrote:
>
> > market. Certainly Sony and other companies
> > will continue to use Linux under GPLv2. Even
> > Linus is not for that Linux make transition from
> > GPLv2 to GPLv3. We could think that one of
> > reasons is big sponsorship contracts of Linux
> > Foundation with large hardware companies.
> >
> > =A0 If OpenSolaris make transition=2C it'd be *first*
> > OS under GPLv3. Very soon we could expect that
> > some company release same product as Sony
> > PlayStation 3=2C for example=2C but now with software
> > licensed under GPLv3. All GNU stack will instantly
>
> GPLv3 is not a way to go.
>
> Solaris needs to be able to combine OSS (CDDL) and other code.
> This does not work with the GPLv3.
>
> The GPLv3 gives even less openness than the GPLv2.
>
> While the GPLv2 allows to link a GPL program against any libray of any
> license
> (because the GPLv2 is limited to the work that is published under GPLv2),
> the GPLv3 tries to aritificially introduce additional restrictions. These
> restrictions that are written in a very vague way, so it is a legallity
> risk
> for projects that use GPLv3.
>
> Background: Since the second half of the 1990s, the FSF spreads incorrect
> claims about the compatibility of GPLv2 with other code. The FSF claims
> that
> things are eforcable that are not even written in the GPLv2 text. The GPL
> analysis from Lawrence Rosen (the lawyer of the OpenSource initiytive)
> in http://www.rosenlaw.com/Rosen_Ch06.pdf explains word by word, sentence
> by
> sentence which claims from the GPLv2 are not enforcable and thus void and
> which
> if the claims of the FSF are not written in the GPL text. A lot of OSS
> software
> can only exist because certain claim of the GPLv2 are not enforcable.
>
> The GPLv3 is more restrictive than GPLv2 (and thus closer to what the FSF
> claims for the GPLv2) and it contains contains vague claims about what
> cannot
> be combined with GPLv3 code and thus causes a legal risk.
>
> Another legal risk with the GPLv3 is that you may add exceptions that give
> your
> users more freedom but the GPLv3 allows downstream redistributors to remove
> these opening exceptions before redistributing the code.
>
> I know of OSS projects that converted to GPLv3 and that had to go back to
> GPLv2
> because the users of the code could no longer use it because of legal
> problems
> that resulted from GPLv3.
>
>
> Please note: this is a OpenSolaris discussion and no license discussion. A
> license discussion will not bring us anywhere.
>
> Jörg
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Re: [osol-discuss] Featurerequest

[Che Kristo]

Wireshark is in the repository already for the rest search the net to see if
someone has already done the work. If you can't find anything then you can
file an "enhancement/RFE" at http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/

Hope that helps,

Ché

On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Darko Hojnik wrote:

> Hi
>
> Can i submit here featurerequests?
> On OpenSolaris 2009 i am missing some programs, they are
>
> Moonlight Firefoxplugin
> Wireshark Networksniffer
> A Dialog to configure the Printersettings (Collors, Format) and to
> print a testsite in Gnome
> A backport from the cadp160 driver
> F-Spot to manage Picturelibarys
> Banshee is on my wishlist too :)
> a graphical tool to configure the Mixersettings for the Soundcard
> and some graphical Tools to create Audio and Video Projects like Tovid,
> Hydrogen something like Mainactor and Ardour
> Something like Tomboy for quickly notices
>
> Thats currently that whats me almost hurts to migrate from Linux to
> OpenSolaris
>
> kind regard Darko Hojnik
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Re: [osol-discuss] Are there bounties?

[Che Kristo]

I'm 100% with you on the bounty idea...i have brought this up before but I
got the feeling there wasn't much support for the idea :-| maybe this
time...

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:22 AM, rarok  wrote:

> Hello, just a quick idea that I had, I'm concerned of the lack of ZFS to
> expand a RAIDZ just increasing the number of drives in the RAIDZ itself. I
> would pay (not so much) for having it.
>
> Surely there are other people that would want to have another things
> working on opensolaris.
>
> There is any bounty system working in opensolaris or anyone ready for
> creating it?
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Re: [osol-discuss] [xwin-discuss] A Tribute to OpenSolaris

[Che Kristo]

I must say I agree, this release fixed some little quirks that I hadn't yet
got around to reporting.

Very polished and it can only get better as we move closer to release!

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Martin Bochnig  wrote:

>  /* just ignore */
>
>  Hi!
>
> Today I migrated my (Intel Core Duo based, with DRM supported Intel
> gfx) to OpenSolaris preview 2010.02, based on build 121. I must really
> take my hat:)
>
> I love almost everything of the countless goodies.
>
> RESPECT, dear Sun!
>
>
> regards,
> %martin
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] [desktop-discuss] Nautilus Access List Tab

[Che Kristo]

Can you file an RFE at http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/ for this feature?

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Chris Peden  wrote:

> Is there plans to implement a ACL GUI?  If not I really have to wonder why.
>  I am wanting to build an OpenSolaris NAS (because of ZFS) for a client of
> mine but without a GUI, I can see my support calls increasing quite a bit.
>
> some posts have said you can do it all from a windows client, however that
> does not seem like a solution to me, more of a workaround.
>
> -chris
>
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2009, at 10:57 AM, Ghee Teo wrote:
>
>  Alan Coopersmith wrote:
>>
>>> Chris wrote:
>>>
 Ben from cuddletech.com said it was in a version of SXCE, because he
 wrote about it on his blog.  I emailed him and he gave me the following
 info.

 
 Very odd, same behavior on my SX:CE 116 box.
 The functionality was added to GNOME-vfs some time ago
 (http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/820-0724/gdppz?l=de&a=view).  You can
 see ACL info for instance by using 'gnomevfs-info /some/path'
 

>>> What Ben pointed at was SXDE which was something we shipped and stopped.
>> I think this is what you are seeing.
>> ACL list was implemented using gnome-vfs for nautilus and was in GNOME
>> 2.20.
>> But in GNOME 2.22, gvfs was written to replace gnome-vfs and since then
>> nautilus has been using gvfs to display the various bits and also helpers
>> for various views. The ACL file dialog was in gome-vfs was never forward
>> ported to gvfs even for ufs. The dialog you should though was a design for
>> zfs which was never implemented (not even in gnome-vfs).
>>
>>
>> -Ghee
>>
>>
 Anything further you can find out would be appreciated.

>>>
>>> You'll find out more asking on desktop-discuss, where the GNOME engineers
>>> are found, than on the general opensolaris-discuss list.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [osol-discuss] Problems installing OpenSolaris

[Che Kristo]

Which laptop? tell us the modelthen we will be able to look at whether
it is supported or not

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Ashlee Naidoo  wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> I'm new to open solaris and am trying to install opensolaris on my acer
> laptop, but each time i try, it loads the little dots and then just stays on
> the black screen with the sun information and nothing happens. Please can
> someone tell me how to fix this? I'm trying to move from ubuntu to
> opensolaris?
>
> Thanks
> Ashlee
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Re: [osol-discuss] Any plans for a DVD Release..

[Che Kristo]

However Fluendo have been (typically) silent as to the timeframe for release
of the Solaris version :-| they were promising the DVD Player for years
before they released the Linux version, will we wait that long for the
Solaris version? Only Fluendo knows!

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:06 AM, Brian Cameron wrote:

>
> Spencer:
>
> Fluendo has already released a licensed DVD player for Linux, and they
> plan to make one available for OpenSolaris soon:
>
>  http:://www.fluendo.com/
>
> The difficulty with distributing a DVD player is that there are many
> associated licensing that is required to play DVD's.  Many media formats
> used in store-bought DVD videos require paying a licensing fee to use.
> MPEG-2, MPEG-4, MP3 audio, Dolby AC-3, and CSS for example.
>
> There are some media players out there that you can build or download
> that will play DVD's.  However, if you use a solution that avoids
> paying these licensing fees, then you would need to speak with a lawyer
> to find out what legal risks are involved with doing so.
>
> When the Fluendo solution is available for OpenSolaris, you can use it
> without worry about any such legal risks.
>
> Brian
>
>
>Been running OpenSolaris for a while now, a point from a peer who's been
>>   running it for a while well worth noting is the fact that many people
>>   can't keep up with all the packages online, since the repository images
>>   don't change so often it makes sense to have a DVD release doesn't it?
>>   There's plenty of Linux users who would rather use a OS with a
>>   broad appeal and reputation of a commercial company such as Sun, apart
>>   from the fact that it's open source most people see Solaris as a server
>>   OS
>>   not a desktop OS. OpenSolaris has a desktop appeal that most people
>> don't
>>   appreciate due to lack of applications on it's bootable media it just
>>   seems to lack applications on the face of it.
>>   How do users who want to develop or deploy their applications or
>> concepts
>>   when
>>   trying out what Sun has to offer(as you get from Solaris Express
>>   Edition) - It's a good thing to have Netbeans, Sunstudio or Eclipse
>> among
>>   many other applications in place as you would on a live Linux/BSD
>>   DVD. It makes a good impression for many who are interested in
>>   adopting OpenSolaris in the first place when there's a thriving social
>>   development community for the tools mentioned above which they may use
>> on
>>   a different platform. A bootable environment
>>   that helps put accross the best possible set of applications.
>>
>>   In that case are there any plans for a DVD release for OpenSolaris?
>>
>>   All the best,
>>   Spencer
>>
>>
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Re: [osol-discuss] question about QFS

[Che Kristo]

That must be the commercial supported one, i understand it is open source
and a project under opensolaris at http://opensolaris.org/os/project/samqfs/

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Jiawei Zhao  wrote:

> sorry to ask this question here, I can not find a dedicated forum for QFS
> though. Is QFS free to use on solaris and linux? I see on sun download page
> for QFS that it has a 90 days trial period, not sure about if that means it
> can be used only for so long.
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Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE going away?

[Che Kristo]

This has been done to death in this thread :)
http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=109945&tstart=15 and I
have collected a few pieces of information into a FAQ at
http://wiki.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/SXCE_EOL

Ché

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:18 AM,  wrote:

> So I was reading:
>
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/
>
> And based on the announcement, Community Express is going away in October.
>  I use SCXE mainly for Comstar and other features that I found (the hard
> way) were not in OpenSolaris mainstream. I see that OpenSolaris 2010.02
> Developer Builds are available. Is it the intention to replace SXCE with the
> Developer Builds? What will be missing that we don't get in the Community
> Express Edition?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] DRAFT2: OpenSolaris Use Case Project Proposal

[Che Kristo]

I have created a Wiki here with a sample template which we can begin with
and modify to suit our needs. Once we get the project set up and the
opensolaris.org content transition is complete I will migrate the content
over.

http://wiki.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/opensolaris_use_cases

Others, please input your ideas onto this page, your contributions are more
than welcome!

Ché

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Jim Walker  wrote:

> Thanks for the great response. It looks like there is a need for this
> project :)
>
> I added the Systems Administration area.
>
> Just a few more details before we begin the project ratification process:
>
> - need someone to volunteer to be project point of contact
>
> - I would like one more Community to sponsor this project since
>  it crosses Community Boundaries. If you think the project
>  proposal can be ratified in your Community let me know.
>  The Documentation and Testing Communities already plan to
>  sponsor this project.
>
> BTW. Since the website transition is in progress this project may start
> by sharing a sponsoring Community's webpages and/or genunix.org. The
> usecase-discuss email list will be available immediately after the
> project is ratified.
>
> Cheers,
> Jim
>
> =
>
> o Project: OpenSolaris Use Case Project
>
> o Short Description:
>
> The OpenSolaris Use Case Project collects, develops and validates
> OpenSolaris
> operating system and application Use Cases and provides real world feedback
> to
> development, documentation, testing and other OpenSolaris groups to help
> ensure
> users get what they need from OpenSolaris distributions and applications.
>
> o Project Description:
>
> The primary focus of the OpenSolaris Use Case Project is to evaluate and
> organize real world OpenSolaris user experiences into Use Cases, case
> studies
> and best practices for the benefit of other OpenSolaris users, and to
> provide
> feedback to OpenSolaris developers, technical writers, testers and others
> so
> they may produce better quality products and education materials that more
> effectively meet user requirements. This project is run by users for users.
>
> Project roles and activities are diverse and include users bringing
> specific
> issues into the discussion, end users and consultants bringing expertise
> and
> focus to areas they are most interested in, Use Case organization and
> development experts, and project leaders who organize the overall project
> and review processes.
>
> Development, documentation, test teams and others can provide this project
> materials they want user feedback on prior to release to help ensure the
> user
> is getting what they need to be successful.
>
> Example areas of interest can include:
>
> * Core OpenSolaris Technologies
>
> zfs, smf, security, and DTrace and common OpenSolaris commands and
> utilities
>
> * OpenSolaris Installation and Packaging
>
> pkg, beadm commands, pkgmgr GUI, Automated Installer and Distro Constructor
>
> * OpenSolaris Systems Administration
>
> Standard and unique Systems Administration approaches and best practices
>
> * OpenSolaris Desktop
>
> OpenSolaris desktop, layout and appearance and standard desktop
> applications
>
> * Virtualization
>
> zones, crossbow, ldoms, xVM, VirtualBox, etc...
>
> * OpenSolaris Distributions
>
> distribution centric use cases for BeleniX, MilaX, Nexenta, SchilliX etc...
>
> * OpenSolaris Applications
>
> OpenOffice, contrib repo applications, Oracle, etc...
>
> * Development Tools
>
> SunStudio, netbeans, hg, svn, etc...
>
> * Hardware Configurations
>
> Various hardware types and storage configurations, etc...
>
> * Combination Solutions
>
> Unique End User solutions using multiple technologies
>
> * Use Case Development
>
> This area focuses on Use Case development itself, including how Use Cases
> are written, Use Case tools and the review process. Both formal and
> informal Use
> Case methods will be used.
>
> o Sponsoring Communities:
>
> Documentation Community
> Testing Community
>
> o Initial Project Members:
>
> Joanie Diggs (joanied)
> Jason Schroeder (jks)
> Alex Smith (sentinel)
> Uros Nedic (urosn)
> Sriram Natarajan ()
> Steven Acres (swa)
> Rich Reynolds (odd1)
> Octave Orgeron (oorgeron)
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> Guruprasad (lgp_cse)
> norbert (norbertc)
> Hernan Saltiel (hecsa)
> Masafumi Ohta (masafumi)
> Ken Mays (kmays)
>
> o Point of Contact:
>
> (needed)
>
> o Project Needs:
>
> Standard project website and SCM setup at:
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/usecase/
>
> usecase-disc...@opensolaris.org email alias.
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Re: [osol-discuss] DRAFT2: OpenSolaris Use Case Project Proposal

[Che Kristo]

I have forwarded this request the the desktop discuss mailing list to see if
we can get sponsorship from the Desktop Community members (I am am member of
that community). I will follow that request and report back.

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Jim Walker  wrote:

> Thanks for the great response. It looks like there is a need for this
> project :)
>
> I added the Systems Administration area.
>
> Just a few more details before we begin the project ratification process:
>
> - need someone to volunteer to be project point of contact
>
> - I would like one more Community to sponsor this project since
>  it crosses Community Boundaries. If you think the project
>  proposal can be ratified in your Community let me know.
>  The Documentation and Testing Communities already plan to
>  sponsor this project.
>
> BTW. Since the website transition is in progress this project may start
> by sharing a sponsoring Community's webpages and/or genunix.org. The
> usecase-discuss email list will be available immediately after the
> project is ratified.
>
> Cheers,
> Jim
>
> =
>
> o Project: OpenSolaris Use Case Project
>
> o Short Description:
>
> The OpenSolaris Use Case Project collects, develops and validates
> OpenSolaris
> operating system and application Use Cases and provides real world feedback
> to
> development, documentation, testing and other OpenSolaris groups to help
> ensure
> users get what they need from OpenSolaris distributions and applications.
>
> o Project Description:
>
> The primary focus of the OpenSolaris Use Case Project is to evaluate and
> organize real world OpenSolaris user experiences into Use Cases, case
> studies
> and best practices for the benefit of other OpenSolaris users, and to
> provide
> feedback to OpenSolaris developers, technical writers, testers and others
> so
> they may produce better quality products and education materials that more
> effectively meet user requirements. This project is run by users for users.
>
> Project roles and activities are diverse and include users bringing
> specific
> issues into the discussion, end users and consultants bringing expertise
> and
> focus to areas they are most interested in, Use Case organization and
> development experts, and project leaders who organize the overall project
> and review processes.
>
> Development, documentation, test teams and others can provide this project
> materials they want user feedback on prior to release to help ensure the
> user
> is getting what they need to be successful.
>
> Example areas of interest can include:
>
> * Core OpenSolaris Technologies
>
> zfs, smf, security, and DTrace and common OpenSolaris commands and
> utilities
>
> * OpenSolaris Installation and Packaging
>
> pkg, beadm commands, pkgmgr GUI, Automated Installer and Distro Constructor
>
> * OpenSolaris Systems Administration
>
> Standard and unique Systems Administration approaches and best practices
>
> * OpenSolaris Desktop
>
> OpenSolaris desktop, layout and appearance and standard desktop
> applications
>
> * Virtualization
>
> zones, crossbow, ldoms, xVM, VirtualBox, etc...
>
> * OpenSolaris Distributions
>
> distribution centric use cases for BeleniX, MilaX, Nexenta, SchilliX etc...
>
> * OpenSolaris Applications
>
> OpenOffice, contrib repo applications, Oracle, etc...
>
> * Development Tools
>
> SunStudio, netbeans, hg, svn, etc...
>
> * Hardware Configurations
>
> Various hardware types and storage configurations, etc...
>
> * Combination Solutions
>
> Unique End User solutions using multiple technologies
>
> * Use Case Development
>
> This area focuses on Use Case development itself, including how Use Cases
> are written, Use Case tools and the review process. Both formal and
> informal Use
> Case methods will be used.
>
> o Sponsoring Communities:
>
> Documentation Community
> Testing Community
>
> o Initial Project Members:
>
> Joanie Diggs (joanied)
> Jason Schroeder (jks)
> Alex Smith (sentinel)
> Uros Nedic (urosn)
> Sriram Natarajan ()
> Steven Acres (swa)
> Rich Reynolds (odd1)
> Octave Orgeron (oorgeron)
> Che Kristo (che)
> Guruprasad (lgp_cse)
> norbert (norbertc)
> Hernan Saltiel (hecsa)
> Masafumi Ohta (masafumi)
> Ken Mays (kmays)
>
> o Point of Contact:
>
> (needed)
>
> o Project Needs:
>
> Standard project website and SCM setup at:
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/usecase/
>
> usecase-disc...@opensolaris.org email alias.
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Re: [osol-discuss] DRAFT2: OpenSolaris Use Case Project Proposal

[Che Kristo]

I am happy to be the "point of contact" for this project.

I think genunix wiki would be a great starting point for our community to
begin a web page whilst the content transition is taking place. If no one
objects to this within the next 24 hours I will go ahead and generate a page
there.

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Jim Walker  wrote:

> Thanks for the great response. It looks like there is a need for this
> project :)
>
> I added the Systems Administration area.
>
> Just a few more details before we begin the project ratification process:
>
> - need someone to volunteer to be project point of contact
>
> - I would like one more Community to sponsor this project since
>  it crosses Community Boundaries. If you think the project
>  proposal can be ratified in your Community let me know.
>  The Documentation and Testing Communities already plan to
>  sponsor this project.
>
> BTW. Since the website transition is in progress this project may start
> by sharing a sponsoring Community's webpages and/or genunix.org. The
> usecase-discuss email list will be available immediately after the
> project is ratified.
>
> Cheers,
> Jim
>
> =
>
> o Project: OpenSolaris Use Case Project
>
> o Short Description:
>
> The OpenSolaris Use Case Project collects, develops and validates
> OpenSolaris
> operating system and application Use Cases and provides real world feedback
> to
> development, documentation, testing and other OpenSolaris groups to help
> ensure
> users get what they need from OpenSolaris distributions and applications.
>
> o Project Description:
>
> The primary focus of the OpenSolaris Use Case Project is to evaluate and
> organize real world OpenSolaris user experiences into Use Cases, case
> studies
> and best practices for the benefit of other OpenSolaris users, and to
> provide
> feedback to OpenSolaris developers, technical writers, testers and others
> so
> they may produce better quality products and education materials that more
> effectively meet user requirements. This project is run by users for users.
>
> Project roles and activities are diverse and include users bringing
> specific
> issues into the discussion, end users and consultants bringing expertise
> and
> focus to areas they are most interested in, Use Case organization and
> development experts, and project leaders who organize the overall project
> and review processes.
>
> Development, documentation, test teams and others can provide this project
> materials they want user feedback on prior to release to help ensure the
> user
> is getting what they need to be successful.
>
> Example areas of interest can include:
>
> * Core OpenSolaris Technologies
>
> zfs, smf, security, and DTrace and common OpenSolaris commands and
> utilities
>
> * OpenSolaris Installation and Packaging
>
> pkg, beadm commands, pkgmgr GUI, Automated Installer and Distro Constructor
>
> * OpenSolaris Systems Administration
>
> Standard and unique Systems Administration approaches and best practices
>
> * OpenSolaris Desktop
>
> OpenSolaris desktop, layout and appearance and standard desktop
> applications
>
> * Virtualization
>
> zones, crossbow, ldoms, xVM, VirtualBox, etc...
>
> * OpenSolaris Distributions
>
> distribution centric use cases for BeleniX, MilaX, Nexenta, SchilliX etc...
>
> * OpenSolaris Applications
>
> OpenOffice, contrib repo applications, Oracle, etc...
>
> * Development Tools
>
> SunStudio, netbeans, hg, svn, etc...
>
> * Hardware Configurations
>
> Various hardware types and storage configurations, etc...
>
> * Combination Solutions
>
> Unique End User solutions using multiple technologies
>
> * Use Case Development
>
> This area focuses on Use Case development itself, including how Use Cases
> are written, Use Case tools and the review process. Both formal and
> informal Use
> Case methods will be used.
>
> o Sponsoring Communities:
>
> Documentation Community
> Testing Community
>
> o Initial Project Members:
>
> Joanie Diggs (joanied)
> Jason Schroeder (jks)
> Alex Smith (sentinel)
> Uros Nedic (urosn)
> Sriram Natarajan ()
> Steven Acres (swa)
> Rich Reynolds (odd1)
> Octave Orgeron (oorgeron)
> Che Kristo (che)
> Guruprasad (lgp_cse)
> norbert (norbertc)
> Hernan Saltiel (hecsa)
> Masafumi Ohta (masafumi)
> Ken Mays (kmays)
>
> o Point of Contact:
>
> (needed)
>
> o Project Needs:
>
> Standard project website and SCM setup at:
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/usecase/
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Use Case: Package Management Possible Scenario

[Che Kristo]

As I have said before the effort spent supporting two packaging systems
would be better spent on porting packages into the existing system (IPS), if
someone wants to go and work on other package systems (and they have) they
are ,more than welcome to.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:48 AM, Spencer Tom Tafadzwa Chirume <
schir...@gmail.com> wrote:

> More choice is relevant when you have a limited application base, to
> make the most of what's out there would mean using subversion and
> OpenPKG for best effect. One would expect to get more packages on a
> running system provided that you can install it from the disc since
> both have their own application repos -  that's the only gripe I have
> with OpenSolaris atm. More choice to the user works for most don't you
> think.
>
> 2009/8/18 Shawn Walker :
> > Spencer Tom Tafadzwa Chirume wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Shawn
> >>
> >> So would it be possible to have a system similar to portage or
> subversion?
> >
> > Somewhat, I believe you could create something similar using pkgtool.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > --
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Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Re: Oracle 10g on OpenSolaris (Solaris 5.11)

[Che Kristo]

It would be really nice of we could have these figures for OpenSolaris
released to the community...can someone inside push to get these figures
published?

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:19 PM,  wrote:

>
> >Shawn Walker wrote:
> >> The popularity of the OpenSolaris 200x releases vs. that of the
> >> Solaris Express releases in terms of usage speaks for itself IMO.
> >>
> >Do you have the numbers?
> >
>
>
> I certainly would want to know those, also because of the number of
> the SPARC vs the x86 downloads now that we have SPARC OpenSolaris
> downloads.
>
> SXCE can only be downloaded through www.sun.com/downloads, correct,
> whereas OpenSolaris can be downloaded from different locations?
>
> If the information isn't public, please send them to me personally,'
> though I'm also trying to get the information locally.
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE end-of-life plans

[Che Kristo]

Agreed

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Dave Koelmeyer wrote:

> Whoever cooked up Nimbus frankly did an outstanding job, IMO. It's very
> polished, and very easy on the eye - in that it's comfortable to use for
> extended periods of time (i.e. not garish). I can't really think of a better
> default theme, and I'm a long-time Mac user.
>
> Even Ars Technica made a point of highlighting just how good Nimbus is:
>
> "One of those customizations is a unique and distinctive theme called
> nimbus, which has soft colors, smooth gradients, and a slightly bubbly look.
> It's not as snazzy as Murrine, but it's a nice improvement over Clearlooks
> and it beats the crap out of Ubuntu's brown."
>
>
> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2008/05/first-look-opensolaris-2008-05-a-work-in-progress.ars
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Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Use Case: Package Management Possible Scenario

[Che Kristo]

If you look back through the mailing list you can see that I have advocated
for OpenPKG in the past, but, this was before IPS came along. OpenPKG is
available for Solaris 10 and no doubt will be made available for
Solaris.next once it has been on the market for a while. To bring OpenPKG
into mainline Solaris/OpenSolaris by default would confuse the package
management situation.

Are you advocating?:

1 - Having OpenPKG in OpenSolaris by default
2 - Having OpenPKG as an optional install (perhaps in the contrib IPS
repository?)

Personally I see no problem with option 2, I think it would be great to see
OpenPKG available to those who want it.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Spencer Tom Tafadzwa Chirume <
schir...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The thing is that you have pkgbuild or OpenPkg  which can build or
> install from rpms thus addressing user needs through package
> interoperability. You normally don't have to apply a lot of effort by
> adding more packages when there's several rpm repositories online that
> are used in other scenarios. With a working framework getting most
> applications to work as on any other rpm based platform is worth
> shouting about - for depending on your point of view and development
> issues. It would be interesting to see how this is addressed in
> OpenSolaris.
>
> 2009/8/18 Che Kristo :
> > What is the isue you are trying to address exactly anyway? If we are
> missing
> > packages our efforts would be better spent on getting those packages into
> > the existing framework rather than complicating our package management by
> > introducing additional frameworks.
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Spencer Tom Tafadzwa Chirume
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> It would be great to have the OpenPkg package management system
> >> integrated with opensolaris' IPS GUI which allows users to access
> >> binaries in RPM format for cross platform compatibility, it should
> >> make it easier to get programs from Fedora/Redhat linux platforms to
> >> run on opensolaris helping users moving from linux to opensolaris with
> >> a probable added benefit of user confidence.
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Re: [osol-discuss] A question about OpenSolaris Customize

[Che Kristo]

I haven't done this myself but I know that Platespin has virtual to physical
migration...i am not sure whether it is supported for Solaris though :-|

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Chen Jianxun(Kelvin)
wrote:

> Hi Kristo
>
> Thank you very much for you point it out now I am downloading the image and
> go on with it. But I have a question, because it is a Virtual disk Image, so
> I worry about that can I use it on a real server, and how can I do it. Thank
> you very much.
>
> Che Kristo 写道:
>
>> Hi, Take a look at this Sun Wiki which can help you build a JEOS (Just
>> enough operatin system) prototype:
>> http://wikis.sun.com/display/jeos/OpenSolaris++2009.06+JeOS+Prototype
>>
>> There is an OpenSolaris project for JEOS at
>> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/jeos/
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Chen Jianxun(Kelvin) <
>> jianxun.c...@sun.com <mailto:jianxun.c...@sun.com>> wrote:
>>
>>I am an engineer of Open Community Great China. There is a
>>company, that
>>is a ISV focus on Storage Porduct, they are intending to develop a
>>kind
>>of Storage product and want use Solaris as the OS of that, and
>>leverage
>>Comstar module. But they think even the OpenSolaris 0906 is too large
>>for their product, they just want a core Operating System, doesn't
>>include GUI, doesn't include unnecessary package in it. And they want
>>include their own software in it. My question is, does Distribution
>>Constructer can do it? If so, what is the correct packages set for
>>minimal live CD.
>>
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Re: [osol-discuss] A question about OpenSolaris Customize

[Che Kristo]

Hi, Take a look at this Sun Wiki which can help you build a JEOS (Just
enough operatin system) prototype:
http://wikis.sun.com/display/jeos/OpenSolaris++2009.06+JeOS+Prototype

There is an OpenSolaris project for JEOS at
http://opensolaris.org/os/project/jeos/

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wrote:

> I am an engineer of Open Community Great China. There is a company, that
> is a ISV focus on Storage Porduct, they are intending to develop a kind
> of Storage product and want use Solaris as the OS of that, and leverage
> Comstar module. But they think even the OpenSolaris 0906 is too large
> for their product, they just want a core Operating System, doesn't
> include GUI, doesn't include unnecessary package in it. And they want
> include their own software in it. My question is, does Distribution
> Constructer can do it? If so, what is the correct packages set for
> minimal live CD.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Is OSol 2009.06 ready for production?

[Che Kristo]

Realistically OpenSolaris is not at the same level of production readiness
as S10, Indiana releases are much more bleeding edge and have not been as
thoroughly tested as S10 so it is to be expected that they are not as
reliable...

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Hua  wrote:

> I am not sure if I suppose to ask such a question?
>
> I am in the process of building a samba file server running on home pc. The
> hardware are new and all devices are in HCL. I am currently assessing
> Solaris 10 5/09 and OSol 2009.6
>
> Both are default installation without patch(I do not have support contract
> yet), here is some observation
>
> OSol GUI crashed many times in vary occasion, e.g.
> 1. log out
> 2. resize window
> 3. mouse move, etc
>
> The worst is tha when Gnome crash, it takes down the whole system. I
> coudn't even ping the system.
>
> Understand that OSol is new to game thus GUI maybe is not stable, however,
> stress test by running IOZone from 3 clients result system being
> disconnected from network a couple of times.
>
> On the other hand, same stress test on Solaris 10 on the same hardware
> didn't have any issues. No doubt Solaris 10 is commercial product and is
> meant for production use. But OSol is kind disappointing.
>
> So I want to know your experience about OSol in terms of stability(in
> home/casual use, of course not in enterprise environment). Is it ready for
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Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Use Case: Package Management Possible Scenario

[Che Kristo]

What is the isue you are trying to address exactly anyway? If we are missing
packages our efforts would be better spent on getting those packages into
the existing framework rather than complicating our package management by
introducing additional frameworks.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Spencer Tom Tafadzwa Chirume <
schir...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> It would be great to have the OpenPkg package management system
> integrated with opensolaris' IPS GUI which allows users to access
> binaries in RPM format for cross platform compatibility, it should
> make it easier to get programs from Fedora/Redhat linux platforms to
> run on opensolaris helping users moving from linux to opensolaris with
> a probable added benefit of user confidence.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Finding my bearings with 2009.06

[Che Kristo]

Where did you hear that 2009.06 doesn't make use of ECC? that is the first I
have heard of it...

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:40 PM, chris  wrote:

> I am getting used to the opensolaris GUI.
> The last time I used solaris was with version 1 (SunOS 4), but I am mainly
> a XP user these days.
> I am still looking for the following bits of information, hopefully with a
> GUI, but I can use a prompt if I have to:
> - regional setting (to do things like use a 24hr clock)
> - disk manager
> - where to set delay for disks to go to sleep if unused
> - an (hopefully easy) way to setup a simple (app-based if possible)
> firewall
> - an app using smart data to monitor disks problems for me
> - device mgr
> - is there a way to monitor how the CPU power saving is used (hlt
> instruction usage, SpeedStep or Cool'n'Quiet status)?
> Having these would mean I have all I need, I am working on the network and
> SMB aspects atm.
>
> Also, I was told 2009.06 can't make use of ECC memory. Is that right?
>
> Thanks for you insight.
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Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] DRAFT: OpenSolaris Use Case Project Proposal

[Che Kristo]

Communities are more of a collection of people with similar interests. A
project is a collection of activities with a beginning and an end which is
what I think best describes what we are discussing here. The "use-case
project" would then feed into many communities (desktop, security, sys
admin, etc).

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Steven Acres wrote:

> Peter Tribble wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> [changed facilitation-discuss to @opensolaris.org, not @sun.com]
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Jim Walker wrote:
>>
>>> o Project: OpenSolaris Use Case Project
>>>
>> ...
>>
>>> Example areas of interest can include:
>>>
>>
>> Systems administration seems conspicuous by its absence!
>>
>>  o Project Members:
>>>
>>> Need 5 or more initial members, they will become Core Contributors.
>>>
>>> o Facilitator:
>>>
>>> Need 1 facilitator.
>>>
>>
>> Nit: Core contributors and Facilitators apply to communities, not
>> projects,
>> so that wouldn't apply.
>>
>>  Would this proposal fit better as a community?
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Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] DRAFT: OpenSolaris Use Case Project Proposal

[Che Kristo]

Hi Jim,

I would like to help on this also...happy to work on desktop use cases.

Thank you Ché Kristo

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Jim Walker  wrote:

> This concept was discussed a few months ago on indiana-discuss as a beta
> test
> project, after looking at this more closely I refocused it on Use Cases
> since
> that is what we really are needing. There were several people interested in
> being part of a project like this.
>
> All input welcome.
>
> Specifically, I'm looking for five OpenSolaris users that want to help
> lead and contribute to this project. I won't be leading it, but will
> help out as I can.
>
> Cheers,
> Jim
>
> ===
>
> o Project: OpenSolaris Use Case Project
>
> o Short Description:
>
> The OpenSolaris Use Case Project collects, develops and validates
> OpenSolaris
> operating system and application Use Cases and provides real world feedback
> to
> development, documentation, testing and other OpenSolaris groups to help
> ensure
> users get what they need from OpenSolaris distributions and applications.
>
> o Project Description:
>
> The primary focus of the OpenSolaris Use Case Project is to evaluate and
> organize real world OpenSolaris user experiences into Use Cases, case
> studies
> and best practices for the benefit of other OpenSolaris users, and to
> provide
> feedback to OpenSolaris developers, technical writers, testers and others
> so they may produce better quality products and education materials that
> more
> effectively meet user requirements. This project is run by users for users.
>
> Project roles and activities are diverse and include users bringing
> specific
> issues into the discussion, end users and consultants bringing expertise
> and
> focus to areas they are most interested in, Use Case organization and
> development experts, and project leaders who organize the overall project
> and review processes.
>
> Development, documentation, test teams and others can provide this project
> materials they want user feedback on prior to release to help ensure the
> user
> is getting what they need to be successful.
>
> Example areas of interest can include:
>
> * Core OpenSolaris Technologies
>
> zfs, smf, security, and DTrace and common OpenSolaris commands and
> utilities
>
> * OpenSolaris Installation and Packaging
>
> pkg, beadm commands, pkgmgr GUI, Automated Installer and Distro Constructor
>
> * OpenSolaris Desktop
>
> OpenSolaris desktop, layout and appearance and standard desktop
> applications
>
> * Virtualization
>
> zones, crossbow, ldoms, xVM, VirtualBox, etc...
>
> * OpenSolaris Distributions
>
> distribution centric use cases for BeleniX, MilaX, Nexenta, SchilliX etc...
>
> * OpenSolaris Applications
>
> OpenOffice, contrib repo applications, Oracle, etc...
>
> * Development Tools
>
> SunStudio, netbeans, hg, svn, etc...
>
> * Hardware Configurations
>
> Various hardware types and storage configurations, etc...
>
> * Combination Solutions
>
> Unique End User solutions using multiple technologies
>
> * Use Case Development
>
> This area focuses on Use Case development itself, including how Use Cases
> are written, Use Case tools and the review process. Both formal and
> informal Use
> Case methods will be used.
>
>
> o Sponsoring Communities:
>
> (need community facilitators to confirm they are interested in
> sponsoring this project)
>
> Documentation Community
> Installation and Packaging Community
> Desktop Community
> OS/Net (ON) Community
> Software Porters Community
> Distribution Community
> Testing Community
>
> o Project Members:
>
> Need 5 or more initial members, they will become Core Contributors.
>
> o Facilitator:
>
> Need 1 facilitator.
>
> o Project Needs:
>
> Standard project website and SCM setup at:
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/usecase/
>
> usecase-disc...@opensolaris.org email alias.
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Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Re: Oracle 10g on OpenSolaris (Solaris 5.11)

[Che Kristo]

+ 1 for the visual panel idea.

I still think however that by default Solaris and OpenSolaris should present
it's own "personality" rather than putting "linuxiness" before quality

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Shawn Walker wrote:

> przemol...@poczta.fm wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:57:07PM -0500, Shawn Walker wrote:
>>
>>> Jan Friedel wrote:
>>>
 On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 05:04:26PM -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote:

> AFAICT, Indiana by default comes with a PATH that has /usr/gnu/bin in
>> front of the rest
>>
> That is the default environment for the new user created by the OS
> installer.
> As always, users are free to change their $PATH to any set of tools
> they like,
> and shell scripts are encouraged to declare the paths to the tools they
> need
> so they are not broken by users with different $PATH settings.
>
I'm just curious, why this cannot be an installation option?
Sth. like ability to set netservices(1M) during the S10
installation.

>>> If you read past discussions on the installer, you'll see that one of
>>>  the goals was to keep the install process as simple as possible.
>>>  Configuration options like this belong in the firstboot configuration
>>>  setup, or in visual panels where they don't add to the complexity of the
>>>  installer.
>>>
>>
>> But one of the (hidden ?) goals of OpenSolaris is to attract linux users.
>> So one additional screen during installation which asks about your habits
>> (PATH, etc.)
>> shoudn't make it really more complicated.
>>
>
> The point is that they don't *need* or have to be in the installer. They're
> just as beneficial and useful at firstboot, in a Visual Panel, or somewhere
> else.  There is no overwhelmingly great reason to force them to be part of
> the install process.  Installation should be about installation and the
> minimum amount of configuration to get the system going.  Anything beyond
> that is a pollution of the process IMO.
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] No sound after installing OSS

[Che Kristo]

What happens when you type *osstest *when it is installed?

2009/8/13 Thommy M. Malmström 

> I had my Ferrari 4005 with 2009.06 running OK with sound working for almost
> everything when I decided to install OSS from 4Front. Said and done, the
> installation vent OK and I rebooted. No more sound for anything :(
>
> pkgrm the package, but still no sound.
>
> What can that package have destroyed?
>
> (And why didn't I take a snapshot first?)
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Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE end-of-life plans

[Che Kristo]

Cool, just getting started now at
http://wiki.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/SXCE_EOL will just copy and paste for
now and will clean up language etc later...

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Glynn Foster  wrote:

>
> On 11/08/2009, at 2:15 PM, Che Kristo wrote:
>
>  Looking at the response so far perhaps it is a good idea to get a FAQ set
>> up on the genunix wiki...does anyone else support this idea?
>>
>
> Sounds like a good idea to me and can probably help writing it based on the
> responses here.
>
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE end-of-life plans

[Che Kristo]

Looking at the response so far perhaps it is a good idea to get a FAQ set up
on the genunix wiki...does anyone else support this idea?

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:49 AM, Glynn Foster  wrote:

>
> Sun is announcing the intent to discontinue production of the Solaris
> Express
> Community Edition (SXCE) by the end of October time-frame. As we intend to
> continue on a bi-weekly build schedule, consolidations will move towards
> producing native Image Packaging System (IPS) packages alongside SVR4
> packages and then phase out the latter completely. Technologies such as
> IPS, Automated Install, Snap Upgrade and the Distribution Constructor will
> be
> integrating into a consolidation after following through the established
> processes including architectural (ARC) review.
>
> We recognize that this transition will require some effort for all members
> of
> the OpenSolaris development community, and are committed to working with
> all of you in making that transition a success.  You can expect updated
> information from us and the communities which manage the consolidations
> as we further plan the transition schedules.
>
> Questions can be directed to David Comay, Glynn Foster, William Franklin,
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Re: [osol-discuss] Returning with a Question

[Che Kristo]

I like that argument :) the amount of double dipping from patent holders is
ridiculous though i'd love to see it tested in court and have precedent set.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:59 AM, David Babb  wrote:

> Well, I hold several licensed copies of Windows 2k, XP, Vistax32, Vistax64,
> none of which are in use at this point.
>
> As these OS's ship with the default codecs I need (except flac), legally,
> I'm squeaky clean.
>
> Just because they aren't installed at this point does not negate their
> license.
>
> I so appreciate the information and the appropriate warnings, I'm going to
> go the "home" route.
>
> THANK YOU!
>
>
>
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Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE end-of-life plans

[Che Kristo]

I assume by the security issue you are reffering to
http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=1945 &
http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=4885

My understanding is that a fix for 4885 is targeted for indiana.next to get
rid of the XP style "admin by default"

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Joerg Schilling <
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de> wrote:

> Glynn Foster  wrote:
>
> >
> > Sun is announcing the intent to discontinue production of the Solaris
> > Express
> > Community Edition (SXCE) by the end of October time-frame. As we
> > intend to
> > continue on a bi-weekly build schedule, consolidations will move towards
> > producing native Image Packaging System (IPS) packages alongside SVR4
> > packages and then phase out the latter completely. Technologies such as
> > IPS, Automated Install, Snap Upgrade and the Distribution Constructor
> > will be
> > integrating into a consolidation after following through the established
> > processes including architectural (ARC) review.
>
> I propose not to do this before there was a correct ARC review for all
> deviations in Indiana and not before there was a fix for all security
> problems that have been introduced with Indiana.
>
> Jörg
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Re: [osol-discuss] OpenCL on Solaris

[Che Kristo]

Haven't heard anything yet, best chance would be NVidia although their
current implementation is only for Linux and Windows. Send them an email and
let them know you want it supported on Solaris too...

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Brandon Barker wrote:

> Does anyone know of planned support for OpenCL for various CPUS and GPUS in
> solaris?  See:
> http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20090804006502&newsLang=en
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Re: [osol-discuss] Returning with a Question

[Che Kristo]

Hi Dave,

The licensed and supported way:
http://www.fluendo.com/shop/product/complete-set-of-playback-plugins/ use
this if you are in a country in which the relevant codecs must be
appropriately licensed (most countries), essential if you are implementing
within a corporate environment unless you want to risk having you company
end up in court

The non-licensed way: http://solaris.homeunix.com/ appropriate for home-use
situations and for countries where the licensing conditions for the codecs
are not relevant

Hope this helps and have fun!

I've used both and they are great!

Ché
myunix.org

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:34 PM, David Babb  wrote:

> Good evening all,
>
> 2008.11 just caused too many issues with my hardware, so I took a
> sabbatical.
>
> Now after the 2009 Release, I'm giving O.S. another look.
>
> Before on 2008.11, I got the multimedia apps I needed from
> lifewithsolaris.jp, now, there is no multimedia there.
>
> If I port, I need to have the ability to listen to my sound library, some
> of which I have converted from vinyl. Think Woodstock, (although I was
> somewhere else((Vietnam Era Vet)).
>
> Some of it is in flac, wmv, mpeg4, the whole gauntlet of formats.
>
>
> Question:
> What is the new mechanism of enabling a movie player and a sound player,
> and installing the proper codecs for each in Open Solaris?
>
> This is my only question/issue to overcome, and I'll move the shops machine
> over first.
>
>
>
> Thank you sincerely,
>
>
> Dave babb
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Re: [osol-discuss] Anyone successfully boot OpenSolaris on Toshiba A605 notebook ?

[Che Kristo]

I think the M10 is a great value system, especially when you look at the
cost of the included Sun support, also the fact that you know that Sun folk
are using this system themselves which means that you'll be very well
supported in the future.

It's a shame that this isn't yet available in Australia otherwise I would
have picked one up.

On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Anon Y Mous  wrote:

> To be honest. I'm not really a big fan of the A605 or the R600, instead I
> recommend forgetting about the R600 / A605 and going for the Toshiba Tecra
> M-10 that you can get with OpenSolaris pre-installed here:
>
> http://www.shopopensolaris.com/suntoshiba/home.htm
>
> The $1,399 for a Core2 T9400 Tecra M10 with 4 gigabytes of RAM and a 320 GB
> hard drive is a sweet deal! The Nvidia card gives you a blazing fast
> OpenSolaris 3d compiz desktop and it comes with support from Sun AND buying
> it MAKES A STATEMENT because it shows hardware vendors that there are people
> out there who actually care about UNIX (Solaris) and that Microsoft Windows,
> Mac OS X, and Linux aren't the only desktop operating systems out there that
> should be sold pre-installed on laptops- i.e. if you're one of those people
> like me who is upset that CISCO isn't making anyconnect VPN clients for
> Solaris x86, then you should probably buy a a Juniper router / firewall and
> a Solaris x86 pre-installed laptop out of protest ;-)
>
> My justification for hating on the R600 is that it's too small, it costs
> quite a bit of quid, and I think the performance of OpenSolaris as a desktop
> OS on Nvidia Quadro equipped machines is much, much better than it is on
> desktop and laptop computers that have Intel or ATI cards (Intel graphics
> performance on OpenSolaris was pretty weak last time I checked compared to
> the blazing torrent of 3d awesomeness that is the current Solaris nvidia
> driver).
>
> I know Intel is doing a great job helping out with OpenSolaris, Linux and
> BSD kernel development right now, but did they ever write decent Solaris 3d
> acceleration drivers for their Intel graphics cards? I never could get
> Compiz working with Solaris on an Intel Graphics Card. Enabling it always
> froze the machine up, and I suspect other kinds of intense 3d acceleration
> would do the same thing, so that's something to think about when you're
> buying your A605 or R600... doing intense 3d graphics work might just kill
> the box.
>
> Plus with me as a 64-bit OpenSolaris power user running hundreds of zones
> plus ZFS plus a few virtual box virtual machines all at the same time on my
> desktop trust me. I'm going to need ALL 4 gigabyes of RAM that comes
> with the fully loaded Tecra M10 T9500. 3 gigabytes just won't cut it for me
> trying to run distributed computing frameworks like Hadoop or CouchDB or
> Eucalyptus spread across dozens or even hundreds of zones on my development
> laptop.
>
> What about the money? Well, I honestly didn't have the money for the M10 as
> I am crunched for cash right now with college tuition and things coming up,
> so I had to borrow money from my girlfriend's mom to pay for it. But
> seriously it's worth it just to have something that comes with UNIX
> pre-installed on it, has killer Nvidia drivers, and is guaranteed by Sun to
> work ok with their OS.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Running Windows Apps on Solaris with Bordeaux 1.8.2 and Wine

[Che Kristo]

Given that MS has anywhere between 80 - 95% market share in this segment I
very much doubt it is as dire a situation as you portray

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Anon Y Mous  wrote:

> > For a monolithic organisation with 8000 staff and over 30,000 users
> change happens
> > much slower than you or I would like - especially something as radical as
> switching
> > the core office productivity suite.
>
> Heh, I bet some time in the distant future though, when King Larry decrees
> that you'll have to "upgrade" to the free and open-source Oracle Open Office
> suite (Ooo) or pay an extra 10 pints of blood per CPU core in Oracle
> database licensing fees, your monolithic organization with 8000 staff and
> 30,000 users will drop Microsoft Office 2007 pretty fast ;-)
>
> IBM's "Lotus Symphony" office suite, is, I think also based on the
> OpenOffice code base as well, so Micro$oft's Office monopoly is going to be
> in a world of hurt with Oracle / Sun, IBM and the entire Linux / UNIX / BSD
> / (insert name of FOSS operating system here) community descending upon them
> to rip them apart.
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[osol-discuss] Why no OpenSolaris laptops on sun.com

[Che Kristo]

This is more directed at the Sun Marketing folk...

If Toshiba are linking to the OpenSolaris version of the laptop from the
Tecra and Portege product pages on toshiba.com why are sun not even listing
the product on sun.com? Why is the product rlegated to shopopensolaris.com?

Are we not wanting to let everyone know about the product? Why do Sun need
prodding to list new products ont their own web site, I had to ask why their
was no Ultra 27 one week after its official launch :-|

Maybe there is some good reason for this but from outside it doesnt look
like the various teams within Sun even work for the same company!
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Re: [osol-discuss] Intallation Of open Solaris10

[Che Kristo]

Start with Google!

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=solaris+install+guide&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Suraj Sankar  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Could you please let me know the steps to install OpenSolaris 10 on a
> server?
> Quite Urgent!!!
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